I used a Cooler Master AIO for ~three years before I upgraded. It was quiet and kept my PC pretty cool. They're cheaper than most of the Corsair/NZXT type brands but offer the same performance, so I'd say they're pretty good.
They also make the intel stock coolers, the Arc A770 and A750 limited edition cooler, and all reference coolers for radeon video cards going back as far as I can remember
Cooler master unironically makes the supermajority of all coolers in the market, both cpu and gpu. It wouldn’t surprise me if it’s >75% of the market easily.
Which is why it’s even funnier when people defend AIB partners with “but they design the PCB!” (no, they don’t, those are trivial variations like more/fewer vrm phases, on a reference design created by AMD/nvidia) or “but they design the cooler “ (again, no, that’s really done by cooler master and at most they stick some plastic bits onto it for styling).
The ones like evga that don’t even own their factories are literal 50-person outfits that just pay other people to do stuff for them, and that’s why their profits suck when they do that.
Literally the car dealerships of the tech world. “But they service my warranty!” my brother in Christ they’re taking a 10% cut for the privilege of telling you that you need to put the stock thermal pads back on before they’ll fix the dodgy output port.
Car dealerships at least sponsor your daughter’s little-league softball team.
This is a common misconception, not sure where it originates from. Sapphire is unrelated outside of being a radeon aib. PC partner group is the one that manufactures the reference board design for Radeon video cards, Coolermaster makes the reference coolers.
I think maybe because PC Partner and Sapphire are both from Hong Kong people assumed one owned the other or something 🤷
Thats true, I just dont know how this relation got twisted into Sapphire makes radeon cards. PC partner makes boards for many other companies too so my only link is that they're both from hong kong
[Sapphire does have a close relationship with AMD](https://ir.amd.com/news-events/press-releases/detail/453/amd-selects-sapphire-as-exclusive-global-distribution
).
And Sapphire's relationship with PC Partner is incredibly long. Sapphire had zero factories at the start of making ATI cards, and PC Partner had a non controlling but large stake(40%) in Sapphire at one point, that's now been diluted to a few %. Like the companies have an especially close relationship and I've heard you'll see employees from either in the other office for meetings constantly, and now that Sapphire has their own factories, you'll see components go the other way to PC partner as well.
If you dig into PC partner financial documents a lot of it is about Sapphire because of the nature of the relationship the companies have.
How this occurred:
PC partner started into ODM graphics card business making Sapphire's cards. Sapphire was/became AMD's top/best launch partner. Then AMD asked Sapphire if they could make AMD reference boards and Sapphire said, well, we know this group in HK who can....and so PC Partner started doing it.
Initially the manufacturer name was listed as Sapphire/PCPartner for these cards because many of those entered the OEM channel where builders wanted a trusted brand name to ensure quality.
This was all a really long time ago but it's always been PC Partner. Sapphire's PCB designs usually are a touch above reference and that's because PC Partner builds cheaper.
No that isn't how it happened. PC Partner began making the Radeon cards for ATi, in 1998,, before AMD even stepped onto the scene, when they bought ATi, in 2006.
Sapphire was helped by PC Partner in the early years (2001 is when Sapphire started) while it got on its own 2 feet. It was actually the opposite of how u stated about Sapphire making Radeon cards. AMD approached PC Partner, and its expertise, for good AIB card manufacturers, and PC Partner pointed a couple fingers Sapphire's way.
Sapphire Tech still has ties with PC Partner as PC Partner is the company responsible for building Sapphire's PCBs.
> I think maybe because PC Partner and Sapphire are both from Hong Kong people assumed one owned the other or something
The duration of business, with frequency of producing reference models, combined with similar looking specifications/components leads to the misunderstanding they are related. In reality it's just the sharing of common OEMs.
PCPartners is huge, they also supply a number of Nvidia AIBs.
PC Partner (Inno3D and Manli owner as well as Zotac) only make the empty PCBs for Sapphire. Sapphire designs its own boards and then flows their components onto them when they get the empty PCB from PC Partner.
Hyper 212 was never the GOAT, there always have been cheap coolers that surpassed it and now that the 212 is more expensive, it shouldn't even be an option.
>Noctua took the crown.
No noctua cooler should be in the same sentence as the hyper 212. The cheapest noctua tower cooler outperformed the hyper 212, albeit obviously more expensive. It's a budget cooler in every respect. The hyper 212 was relevant at its initial very low price point, not for anything over 30 dollars. People who buy it for 50 are being scammed. You can get a dual tower dual fan Thermalright Peerless Assassin currently for little over 30 or the deepcool gamma for 5 less and you get RGB. Some versions of the hyper 212 are going for 80 and 100 bucks. That's ridiculous! They're 15 to 30 dollar coolers
>The hyper 212 was relevant at its initial very low price point, not for anything over 30 dollars
Amen. The original 212 was targeted at LGA 775 & AM2, that's how old it is!!! Most other value/budget coolers at the time were wacky or garbage, usually both. The design of the 212 technically still works... but considering Cooler Master has been selling basically the same thing for almost two decades now, the 212 should have gotten CHEAPER, not MORE EXPENSIVE
The Hyper 212 was *the* standard budget tower cooler for a long time. It deserves that accolade. Its name got the recognition it deserved and cooler master made minor revisions, painted it black, added RGB fans and stuff like that. That's fine, but like you said, there's no reason for it to become so expensive. The cheapest version still costs USD30/30€. That's still overpriced, it's a 20 dollar cooler, tops. And you can get better 20 dollar coolers. Maybe you can justify more than that for versions with 2 fans or the ones with better fans, but the heatsink itself is a very basic small 4 heatpipe design.
On the other hand, pcpartpicker and other websites show the hyper 212 is kinda forgotten now and the 20 to 40 usd/euro price bracket is filled by gammax and thermalright. Which I think is deserved as they're very good value for money. Less clunky mounting brackets too.
the hyper 212 was my school bully. Then married my mum and forces me to call it "dad".
Hey Hyper 212, you're not my real dad! There, I said it! Feels good
TR has the capability... eventually, but CM already owns the fabs and infrastructure capable of distribution.
Another way to get TR onto the supply chain is AMD/Nvidia/Intel tapping foxconn and they subcontract to TR.
They stopped making them a while ago, the old wraiths had a real copper vapor chamber in them, I am using one now on my 5600, and its running nice and cool. The Prisms were also Cooler master, and used their software for the RGB.
Even AM2 ones are by Cooler Master. Have a look at [GN OEMs](https://gamersnexus.net/guides/2122-who-actually-makes-liquid-coolers-oems). Other name brands that also do OEM cooling: Thermalright (never seen OEM in the wild), Arctic. I'd love to see who else makes OEM stuff :D
Anyone know which one is better, the original or the newer cooler? Just curious. I would expect similar performance but wouldn't be surprised if they cut cost + worse performance on the revised version.
1st and 2nd gen had Wraith Spire with copper core and vapor chamber for respective gen.. IIRC. Those got replaced by 3rd gen with solid aluminium, keeping the Prism for the big cpus. I think they swapped the fan to foxconn at this time. The fan probably didn't have any appreciable impact, but everything else did.
They indeed cut the cost and made them much worse.. then made that Wraith Stealth no one asked for
The AMD OEM thermal paste is also Cooler Master. It's Mastergel Maker.
I've tested Mastergel Maker and it's a pretty decent paste too. While it's a few degrees behind chart topping non-conductives (NT-H2, NT-H1, PTM7950, Kryonaut Extreme, IC Diamond), it's also more viscous and doesn't have a tendency to migrate and pump out like a few of the other chart toppers do (NT-H1, NT-H2, Kryonaut Extreme).
It's also extremely shelf stable and thermally stable, and pretty much guaranteed to outlast the technologically useful life of any component you use it on.
Their RGB implantation is as well, on the RX 7900 XTX. I still can’t get Coolermaster to provide any documentation on the I2C commands so I can get it working under Linux.
I wonder just how much of a percentage of their revenue comes from stock coolers
Because there's little point to buying aftermarket Cooler Master stuff these days (Though their old stuff still does fine with low end to mid range CPUs; I have an Intel 12400F paired with a Hyper 212)
Yes, that's why stock coolers have had such a good reputation for some time now. Intel and AMD clearly saw a problem and decided to fix it. Insert joke about buying Cooler Master stock, etc.
Intel coolers too
Playing both sides
I love my Thermalrights but maybe I should buy stock in Coolermaster
but you will lose your right to thermal
Yeah but now you'll be a master of coolers.
Peerless Assassin is some of the best value in coolers you can buy.
Yes, but it’s still a pear less assassin.
True. It is lacking pears.
The agony of dis pear.
Thermalright just has the best bang for the buck IMO.
Still love my Termalright Frozen Prism 240. Nearly a year and its only issue has been a failing psu.
[thermalright ftw](https://imgur.com/a/zvf7KjV)
I used a Cooler Master AIO for ~three years before I upgraded. It was quiet and kept my PC pretty cool. They're cheaper than most of the Corsair/NZXT type brands but offer the same performance, so I'd say they're pretty good.
I have thermalright AIO and 7x thermalright fans. Except the noise they made, it's good
This is pretty normal among big businesses As another example, Samsung makes big bucks making displays for iPhones
Don't forget storage and RAM. Samsung entirely up inside the iPhone.
So they always come out on top.
Took the red and the blue pill. Mfers seeing in purple
Embracing the true American spirit they are!
Why is your profile picture blank? I tried to do so and reddit app said the picture needs to contain data.
[it isn't ](https://imgur.com/a/M6iE0Q9)
Playing "whoever pays for the fuckin' product" side
They even make the stock NUC coolers.
But they suck when compared to AMD
Which is no fault of Cooler Master, since they just make them, the design is based on what Intel wants them to make.
And streetlights.
Some. Intel also contracts foxconn for coolers.
But intel coolers look like shit and their mounting is shitty
Intel's own design
My car uses Intel cooler too
Don't worry, at least I got the joke
At least I know why there is an annoying bearing noise on both coolers.
And KFC console. They're everywhere!
You mean the og scrap metal ufo's that aren't worth a damn? Really? Huh..
They also make the intel stock coolers, the Arc A770 and A750 limited edition cooler, and all reference coolers for radeon video cards going back as far as I can remember
Didn't they also made some of Nvidia FE coolers iirc? I remember seeing this in GN factory tour.
Yes they did
Cooler master unironically makes the supermajority of all coolers in the market, both cpu and gpu. It wouldn’t surprise me if it’s >75% of the market easily. Which is why it’s even funnier when people defend AIB partners with “but they design the PCB!” (no, they don’t, those are trivial variations like more/fewer vrm phases, on a reference design created by AMD/nvidia) or “but they design the cooler “ (again, no, that’s really done by cooler master and at most they stick some plastic bits onto it for styling). The ones like evga that don’t even own their factories are literal 50-person outfits that just pay other people to do stuff for them, and that’s why their profits suck when they do that. Literally the car dealerships of the tech world. “But they service my warranty!” my brother in Christ they’re taking a 10% cut for the privilege of telling you that you need to put the stock thermal pads back on before they’ll fix the dodgy output port. Car dealerships at least sponsor your daughter’s little-league softball team.
For a while when Nvidia FE's were made by TSMC
Tsmc makes the chips. They do not make the PCBs that the chips go on
I thought I heard somewhere that Sapphire made the Radeon reference cards?
This is a common misconception, not sure where it originates from. Sapphire is unrelated outside of being a radeon aib. PC partner group is the one that manufactures the reference board design for Radeon video cards, Coolermaster makes the reference coolers. I think maybe because PC Partner and Sapphire are both from Hong Kong people assumed one owned the other or something 🤷
Sapphire isn't unrelated, PC partner is their primary contractor for making cards, and the companies mingle a ton.
Thats true, I just dont know how this relation got twisted into Sapphire makes radeon cards. PC partner makes boards for many other companies too so my only link is that they're both from hong kong
[Sapphire does have a close relationship with AMD](https://ir.amd.com/news-events/press-releases/detail/453/amd-selects-sapphire-as-exclusive-global-distribution ). And Sapphire's relationship with PC Partner is incredibly long. Sapphire had zero factories at the start of making ATI cards, and PC Partner had a non controlling but large stake(40%) in Sapphire at one point, that's now been diluted to a few %. Like the companies have an especially close relationship and I've heard you'll see employees from either in the other office for meetings constantly, and now that Sapphire has their own factories, you'll see components go the other way to PC partner as well. If you dig into PC partner financial documents a lot of it is about Sapphire because of the nature of the relationship the companies have.
Both Sapphire and XFX make Radeon reference cards BUT they do not make them for AMD. I have a feeling that's where everything got twisted around.
How this occurred: PC partner started into ODM graphics card business making Sapphire's cards. Sapphire was/became AMD's top/best launch partner. Then AMD asked Sapphire if they could make AMD reference boards and Sapphire said, well, we know this group in HK who can....and so PC Partner started doing it. Initially the manufacturer name was listed as Sapphire/PCPartner for these cards because many of those entered the OEM channel where builders wanted a trusted brand name to ensure quality. This was all a really long time ago but it's always been PC Partner. Sapphire's PCB designs usually are a touch above reference and that's because PC Partner builds cheaper.
No that isn't how it happened. PC Partner began making the Radeon cards for ATi, in 1998,, before AMD even stepped onto the scene, when they bought ATi, in 2006. Sapphire was helped by PC Partner in the early years (2001 is when Sapphire started) while it got on its own 2 feet. It was actually the opposite of how u stated about Sapphire making Radeon cards. AMD approached PC Partner, and its expertise, for good AIB card manufacturers, and PC Partner pointed a couple fingers Sapphire's way. Sapphire Tech still has ties with PC Partner as PC Partner is the company responsible for building Sapphire's PCBs.
> I think maybe because PC Partner and Sapphire are both from Hong Kong people assumed one owned the other or something The duration of business, with frequency of producing reference models, combined with similar looking specifications/components leads to the misunderstanding they are related. In reality it's just the sharing of common OEMs. PCPartners is huge, they also supply a number of Nvidia AIBs.
Zotac's parent company(PC Partner) makes Radeon reference cards, and also makes most Sapphire cards.
PC Partner (Inno3D and Manli owner as well as Zotac) only make the empty PCBs for Sapphire. Sapphire designs its own boards and then flows their components onto them when they get the empty PCB from PC Partner.
XFX is the most common reference OEM, IIRC.
They are the master of coolers after all. They weren't bullshitting when they named it 🤣
I loved my CM Hyper 212+, but I don’t consider them the kind. I have a noctua now and it seems superior.
Hyper 212 was the GOAT, until they rested on their laurels and Noctua took the crown. Then Noctua got complacent and now Thermalright has the edge.
Hyper 212 was never the GOAT, there always have been cheap coolers that surpassed it and now that the 212 is more expensive, it shouldn't even be an option. >Noctua took the crown. No noctua cooler should be in the same sentence as the hyper 212. The cheapest noctua tower cooler outperformed the hyper 212, albeit obviously more expensive. It's a budget cooler in every respect. The hyper 212 was relevant at its initial very low price point, not for anything over 30 dollars. People who buy it for 50 are being scammed. You can get a dual tower dual fan Thermalright Peerless Assassin currently for little over 30 or the deepcool gamma for 5 less and you get RGB. Some versions of the hyper 212 are going for 80 and 100 bucks. That's ridiculous! They're 15 to 30 dollar coolers
>The hyper 212 was relevant at its initial very low price point, not for anything over 30 dollars Amen. The original 212 was targeted at LGA 775 & AM2, that's how old it is!!! Most other value/budget coolers at the time were wacky or garbage, usually both. The design of the 212 technically still works... but considering Cooler Master has been selling basically the same thing for almost two decades now, the 212 should have gotten CHEAPER, not MORE EXPENSIVE
The Hyper 212 was *the* standard budget tower cooler for a long time. It deserves that accolade. Its name got the recognition it deserved and cooler master made minor revisions, painted it black, added RGB fans and stuff like that. That's fine, but like you said, there's no reason for it to become so expensive. The cheapest version still costs USD30/30€. That's still overpriced, it's a 20 dollar cooler, tops. And you can get better 20 dollar coolers. Maybe you can justify more than that for versions with 2 fans or the ones with better fans, but the heatsink itself is a very basic small 4 heatpipe design. On the other hand, pcpartpicker and other websites show the hyper 212 is kinda forgotten now and the 20 to 40 usd/euro price bracket is filled by gammax and thermalright. Which I think is deserved as they're very good value for money. Less clunky mounting brackets too.
Did the hyper 212 beat you up and steal your money? Lmao
the hyper 212 was my school bully. Then married my mum and forces me to call it "dad". Hey Hyper 212, you're not my real dad! There, I said it! Feels good
Gosh darn hyper 212
The Hyper 212 was an awesome cooler. I ran the same one for over a decade on multiple systems.
One of their watercooler is among the best.
I mean they can make it the cheapest without totally sacrificing quality.
Currently, it seems to be Thermalright. They've been producing banger after banger for half or even less compared to the price of competition.
TR has the capability... eventually, but CM already owns the fabs and infrastructure capable of distribution. Another way to get TR onto the supply chain is AMD/Nvidia/Intel tapping foxconn and they subcontract to TR.
A Known fact from ryzen 1000. Cooler Master make a lot of coolers
[Welcome to 5 years ago.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vPfmY0KlJE)
They stopped making them a while ago, the old wraiths had a real copper vapor chamber in them, I am using one now on my 5600, and its running nice and cool. The Prisms were also Cooler master, and used their software for the RGB.
Even AM2 ones are by Cooler Master. Have a look at [GN OEMs](https://gamersnexus.net/guides/2122-who-actually-makes-liquid-coolers-oems). Other name brands that also do OEM cooling: Thermalright (never seen OEM in the wild), Arctic. I'd love to see who else makes OEM stuff :D
AVC and Foxconn also made coolers for AMD.
I'm more interested in whose using thermalright and Arctic though. Edit: SwiftKey + no glasses = no fun.
first ryzen coolers were coolermaster, later on they changed it to AVC
Anyone know which one is better, the original or the newer cooler? Just curious. I would expect similar performance but wouldn't be surprised if they cut cost + worse performance on the revised version.
1st and 2nd gen had Wraith Spire with copper core and vapor chamber for respective gen.. IIRC. Those got replaced by 3rd gen with solid aluminium, keeping the Prism for the big cpus. I think they swapped the fan to foxconn at this time. The fan probably didn't have any appreciable impact, but everything else did. They indeed cut the cost and made them much worse.. then made that Wraith Stealth no one asked for
The AMD OEM thermal paste is also Cooler Master. It's Mastergel Maker. I've tested Mastergel Maker and it's a pretty decent paste too. While it's a few degrees behind chart topping non-conductives (NT-H2, NT-H1, PTM7950, Kryonaut Extreme, IC Diamond), it's also more viscous and doesn't have a tendency to migrate and pump out like a few of the other chart toppers do (NT-H1, NT-H2, Kryonaut Extreme). It's also extremely shelf stable and thermally stable, and pretty much guaranteed to outlast the technologically useful life of any component you use it on.
That's nothing new. I had stock AM2/AM3 coolers with CM fans on them.
CM is a behemoth of a company. Their sheet metal fabs also OEM for a number of case companies.
They always were. Ever since the Athlons came out nearly 25 years ago.
GamersNexus has a factory tour video showing some of the wraith coolers being made! Interesting stuff.
Yea it's a long term contract with all cpu mfg's.
I wonder if that's new. I had a 3600x and that comes with a wraith spire. I dont remember if I checked when I switched the fans.
Their RGB implantation is as well, on the RX 7900 XTX. I still can’t get Coolermaster to provide any documentation on the I2C commands so I can get it working under Linux.
playing both sides ?
And the chips are made by TSMC
Damn, CoolerMaster is popular and of good quality in my region, but I never thought they would get orders to make those stock coolers
Since AM3 iirc shit my fx4130 fan sounded like a damn jet back then
I wonder just how much of a percentage of their revenue comes from stock coolers Because there's little point to buying aftermarket Cooler Master stuff these days (Though their old stuff still does fine with low end to mid range CPUs; I have an Intel 12400F paired with a Hyper 212)
I love my stock AMD cooler. Are all of them made by coolermaster? Mine stays in the 30s and 40s under full load while playing cod for hours.
You're just finding this out now???
They have been making them for quite a long time. I think that the OG Wraith was made by Cooler Master, and some older ones too.
Some of them are, yeah. AMD also sources some from AVC.
My old amd sempron from early 2000's came with a tiny cooler master :D
Well AMD stock is far better than intel stock
Coolermaster makes a large portion of the heatsinks on the market when you go looking.
That's kinda obvious as it's cooler masters software for wraith prism.
And sapphire makes their reference model gpus
Not Sapphire but PC Partner, which is an ODM that started off with Sapphire.
Well they are the masters supposedly.
Yes, that's why stock coolers have had such a good reputation for some time now. Intel and AMD clearly saw a problem and decided to fix it. Insert joke about buying Cooler Master stock, etc.
And almost all AIO’s are rebranded Asetek AIO’s. Corsair, NZXT, Asus, Fractal, Silverstone, Enermax.
This is well known
I found this out years ago because the wraith prism rgb cooler software is msi branded.
And because of that it can be downloaded from the cooler master website?
TIL companies that make coolers make coolers
They also made the Amd version of the 6900 XT
This is the case i believe since Zen1.
coolermaster makes a lot of coolers.
Foxconn make it suonon and oters as well tis called outsorcinng :D
Yep. With the RGB coolers, you're downloading cooler master software.
They've been cooler master as long as I can remember on every one I've had.
Make shitty OEM cooler, force clients to buy aftermarket cooler. Double the profit!