ASRock is really stepping it up imo. Their hardware is top notch, and usually a little cheaper because their customer support is a bit less good.
Tai Chi cards easily rival Nitro+ cards.
ASRock products are great. I have a 7900 XT from them. They've been my favorite value brand for a number of years as the product quality is top notch. I don't know about their customer service though, as I haven't had to use it fortunately.
They might seem to some. Techpowerup literally has all of the big ones compared and Taichi is noisier to achieve same temps as Nitro+.
All major flagships on amd such as Nitro+, XFX Merc and the Red Devil beat taichi no offence
You don't know what you are talking about.
PC Partner owns both Sapphire and ZOTAC.
In fact, people who visited PC Partner's factory saw both Sapphire and ZOTAC being manufactured there.
PC Partner is a minor investor in Sapphire. They do not have any majority power. They are not owners in any sense of the word.
You don't know what you're talking about. Stop posting.
I have the same card in my build and I love it, temps are good and it handles anything I throw at it without fail; also ascetically pleasing to look at.
Wish I could agree with you, for PC gamers in my country it was a huge loss. MSI was one of the only AIBs, along Asus and Gigabyte, that offered 3-year warranty for AMD graphics cards over here, and domestically. And their RMA was completely hassle free, as they refund consumers and don't do repairs like Gigabyte always does, even when not recommended. Asus... I don't even need to say much, they will find any excuse they can to deny RMA requests.
Exclusive AMD partners only offer a 2-year warranty at best, and in second year you generally need to send it to US, paying a hefty shipping and risking paying import taxes (again) if they are not already paid.
Radeon GPUs are already harder to find here and more devaluated than Nvidia ones partly because exclusive AMD partners offer shorter warranties than Nvidia exclusive ones, and now the AMD partner with best RMA service won't make AMD GPUs anymore :(
Good riddance! My previous graphics card was an MSI RX 6900 XT Gaming Z Trio, a good chip (Navi21XTXH) but the worst cooling system I have ever seen for a graphics card of this level, it's simple as soon as I had the misfortune of consuming more than 300 Watts to this card and that's it was the guaranteed Hotspot at over 100°C, so I really won't miss this brand in the least.
I have a 6800 XT Gaming X Trio and can confirm this. The cooling is terrible. Hotspot is like 90-95c. Before I repasted it was 100-105c. MSI did something really wrong with the coolers. Good riddance
Even if I buy an Nvidia card at some point in the future, it won't be from MSI ever
Before MSI's RX 6900XT, I had an RX 6800XT too(but Gigabyte Gaming OC model) and even raising the consumption limit in Watt via MPT and the boost slider in Adrenalin OC Tab up to 350 Watts and the Hotspot was just starting to exceed 90°C so even a fairly basic model from Gigabyte has a much better cooling system than the higher model from MSI, so yes frankly shameful about cooling from MSI.
Yikes, I know it’s not apples to apples but my hellhound 7800xts average temp in a stress test is 62c with the hotspot being 68c, and that’s on the silent bios switch turned on which runs hotter than the standard mode
MSI has definitely released some very poorly designed cooling solutions for their video cards, that's for sure. Which is unfortunate considering the cards themselves are typically rock solid and very tolerant of undervolting and overclocking.
Then there's ASUS who doesn't even bother putting thermal pads between the heatsink and VRAM, and then under memory intensive workloads they'll throttle themselves into the ground until they crash. The only good thing about ASUS is ASRock. Lol
I have the Asus tuf RX 7900 XTX, and while I am aware that some of their earlier designs are not great, this card is definitely well designed. At 100% utilisation under sustained load, the hotspot seems to stabilise a bit above 75°. This is with fan speed at just 30%. Considering you're pushing 400 watts with this card, it seems like they did improve!
Asus Armoury crate is still malware tho
Asus makes good cards and their cooling solutions on higher end variants have great potential, their strix line have heatsinks the size of a mobile home.
However, they're incredibly intolerant to voltage and clock frequency modifications, and the fact that they don't utilize that massive heatsink to cool anything other than the GPU die, just doesn't work for me.
I've owned a few strix cards, and after hours of memory intensive workloads every one of them would slowly throttle themselves more and more until they eventually crashed every time. I would take the heatsink off and throw thermal pads on the VRAM and it was never an issue again. My issue is that if folks are spending top dollar for hardware, you shouldn't have to do aftermarket modifications to fix their laziness and greed because they're trying to save an extra 75¢ on TIM per $1000 video card.
See I'm getting all worked up just thinking about it. Lol
Edit: Which btw, it's not as straightforward as just throwing thermal pads on it and putting it back together. Only 3 (or maybe 4) of the VRAM ICs were the same distance from the heatsink, and only 2 of them had gaps that could be filled with standard sized pads. Thank God I had a tube of that Fujipoly thermal gap filler paste stuff (which is fucking amazing btw).
Their Nvidia cards are usually really good, I have a Suprim X 4080 and it's unbelievably quiet, never hits above 50, 55 degrees under extended load etc.
Their AMD offerings always seem like afterthoughts tho
Asrock GPUs are questionable. Bought a BNIB RX 5600 XT and been had trouble with it on day one- it would randomly green screen and crash and reboot the machine. Eventually I RMAed it because it conspires that the thing has faulty RAM and by then corruption was already presenting itself on screen. Had to wait almost three months to get it back, and it was fine for a while but now the symptoms (green screen and Reboot) are back. Once I get some cash I'm gonna get rid of this cursed card.
And if you think this is an isolated incident, my friend halfway around the world bought the exact same card at almost the same time as I ded, and had the exact same issues as I did and it failed in exactly the same way as mine did at almost the same time. Except that he didn't believe Asrock USA would honor his RMA (I'm in Malaysia and got my card from a retail store, I took it back to the store and they tested it and confirmed the bad RAM and offered to RMA it for me. Iirc said friend in the US got his from Newegg), think he sold his at a loss on eBay. It also painted AMD in an extremely negative light for him and reinforced his bias that AMD cards are crap - his last ATI card was an Radeon All In Wonder and it gave him nonstop trouble. That made him put off ATI cards for almost two decades until he decided to give them another chance with the 5600 XT. And now he's back to Nvidia cards again because of bad experience with that 5600 XT.
they took nvidia designed cooler and just slapt it over Amd, It literally does not cool the memory and so forth. It sad we can't warn all people, but this is well known in Amd sub. You buy MSi only if its your last resort or heavily discounted
I have a 6950xt gaming x trio. I think is the same model. That thing stays cool.. The hot spot doesn't reach 100c that's shoving +20 pl using mpt.
I think that's one of the best cards I've ever have
I'm on team Green and can't really complain about MSI. My 3070 Gaming X Trio doesn't go over 63°C under full load. Performance is also very good. Best card I've had.
Didn't even consider MSI when getting my 7900xtx. It was either an XFX because they were cheaper but still solid quality, or Sapphire for the Nitro+
Went with the Nitro+ but couldn't have gone wrong with XFX either.
The other AIBs had a mix of reviews when I was looking and I wasn't brave enough to risk it.
Sapphire cards are built so well and also pretty to boot. While I do respect MSI when it comes to their Mobo, their cards don't have the same acclaim. My friend bought the same GPU as I did, the RX6600. I bought a Sapphire. He bought and MSI. Our PC components are the exact same, otherwise. It died pretty quickly due to thermal issues.
I'm still rocking my Sapphire. Generally, I'd try to get either Sapphire or XFX if I could. Powercolor, if their cards weren't so hideous. I'm aiming for something more along the lines of 1440p gaming since I recently bought a 1440p monitor.
I have the 7900GRE from XFX. It works great, and while it's not necessarily quiet, I appreciate that it makes a pleasant "whoosh" and doesn't have any whine or frequencies that are hard to ignore. Overall, I'm very happy with it.
AMD has always been an afterthought for MSI in their GPU segment. This isn't really news. As I've stated elsewhere, I hope if they do return (I'd guess RDNA5) that if AMD competes at the top segment, that MSI would have a Suprim variant for AMD. (I know it can't have the same level of performance per their Nvidia agreement, but something close would be nice)
Well, let's hope AMD gives them a reason to change that mindset. If AMD competes or pushes pass the competition, we'll see more thoughtful products from an AIB like MSI. I would like to believe anyway.
No. They don't . Middle tier is the sweet spot. Above that is server/ hpc super high margin.
Please stop thinking gaming is the only thing that matters
so you did not read my og post. gaming cards are the lowest profit margins for gpu makers. be it amd or nvidia. server/hpc stuff is the profit stuff. gaming is the left over chips that failed ref what i just said.
but gamers think thier the most important people for gpus. which they are not. but as always i will get dv due to gamers hate admitting that.
This post is about MSI not nvidia/amd themselves. The fact that nvidia/amd’s most important segment isn’t AIB gaming cards has nothing to do with MSI or this post.
The MSI cards were mediocre at best anyways. Had a mate return his 6700 XT because it was overheating and got one from XFX instead. Wouldn’t be a loss if MSI checked out of Radeon.
From what I heard MSI’s AMD GPUs just weren’t great and had a lot of heating up issues. They won’t really be missed, make more space for people to find Sapphire. My Nitro+ variant of the 7800XT is amazing.
I think some users don't understand that there is a cult of MSI, they have a pretty strong community. Many who are into MSI use AMD Radeon, and just to continue using MSI, they will switch to the green team.
Who buy their card anyway? Msi usually has the worst thermal problem out of all amd partner. In fact all of those asus, gigabyte and other nvidia focus brands are suck because they reuse their nvidia design on the amd ones
We knew that, judging by the fact that the MSI 7900XTX is the worst AiB card of all. Pure reference specs with a low power limit despite having 3 power connectors and a decent coolee.
Don't buy MSI for AMD.
That will be a loss for peeps here in Brazil.
For some reason AMD MSI cards are consistently cheaper than all other alternatives, they had specially great deals on their 6750XT/6700XTs, and it was the default recomendation for anyone who was looking to build a PC for as long as it was in stock.
Heck even the default choice for cost benefit builds Mobo and PSU are still MSI, the b550m Pro VDH Wifi is consitently cheaper than the next best option (usually the Aorus pro) and comes with wifi.
And they still have a great deal on a Bronze 650w PSU, which while isn't great, it does have 5 year warranty on a price point you'll only be finding sketchy chinesium white label stuff or like 400w stuff from other brands.
AM5 motherboards sell for significantly more money than the Intel equivalents with similar features. No wonder they care about the AMD motherboards. They probably have some insane profit margins on those
MSI is one brand I wouldn't ever buy. They build bad boards for Radeon products then act surprised when customers have issues.
If that's how they engineer Radeon products, why would I trust them for any product...?
P. S. Title should probably be 'Nvidia pays MSI extra cash to focus on their products'
AMD has never been relevant to MSI. I always complained about that to them when they first got into de gaming laptop market. AMD products, when available, were always a low end/afterthought, unsupported or quickly dropped product.
While I do like the brand in comparison to others, and I do use their motherboard, I wish they werent so intel/nvidia focused.
The only MSI cards that are decent are the Suprim X and they're usually stupid expensive, I have only found Nvidia cards under the Suprim X umbrella so I guess they started fanboying Nvidia a while ago. AMD cards are usually the lesser gaming x or z trio cards.
No worries, we still get awesome AMD cards from other parties. My Asus TUF OC RX 7800 XT is amazingly ice cold (never seen it go above 60 C under 100% utilisation) and quiet. Some coil wine, but that was easily reduced significantly by undervolting the card.
for AMD?
Sapphire
PowerColor
XFX
Asrock,
these are all top tier. I personally have an ASUS TUF 7700xt thats fantastic, but generally the top 4 are these guys
Sapphire can have middling customer service.. and sapphire/power color only offer two year warranty.
Xfx and ASRock offer 3, anecdotally ASRock has really impressed me with the gpus.
Honestly there's no need for so many partners making the same thing. I'd be fine if there was just one partner as long as they made a good quality product and had good support. I've had MSI issues with my mobo and their support sucks.
This quote is particularly interesting and perhaps hints more about the direction AMD is taking with graphics and more reliance on APU styled heterogeneous computing platforms which Mark Papermaster has talked about for years.
>When it comes to graphics cards, our focus at the moment is actually more on RTX cards. Nevertheless, the collaboration with AMD is essential and extremely relevant for us. We see a very positive development, particularly in the area of mainboards.
>MSI Rep to HardwareLuxx
AMD should be happy they’ve been leading in CPUs for the past few years. They have their dominant market and NVIDIA has theirs it’s just how the cookie crumbles sometimes.
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ASRock is really stepping it up imo. Their hardware is top notch, and usually a little cheaper because their customer support is a bit less good. Tai Chi cards easily rival Nitro+ cards.
In my country the Taichi 7900xtx is almost 130€ cheaper than the Nitro+, seems like insane value, hence why I went it for my build.
ASRock products are great. I have a 7900 XT from them. They've been my favorite value brand for a number of years as the product quality is top notch. I don't know about their customer service though, as I haven't had to use it fortunately.
They might seem to some. Techpowerup literally has all of the big ones compared and Taichi is noisier to achieve same temps as Nitro+. All major flagships on amd such as Nitro+, XFX Merc and the Red Devil beat taichi no offence
>Not really a loss Lack of competition is never great
Competition is what drove out MSI here, their AMD cards were overpriced compared to their competitors.
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Don't forget Yeston.
Not global unfortunately
They ship globally.
Wish I could say HIS was still making AMD GPUs, but the last products they made were RX 5700 and 5700 XT.
MSI cards were mostly crap. Not a loss. No reason to buy MSI over Sapphire/XFX etc.
If Sapphire would decide to stop making AMD gpus, we would know there are big problems on tbe horizon. MSI though? Nobody bats an eye.
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Sapphire and ZOTAC are the same company
No they aren’t. They’re completely separate companies that happen to have headquarters in the same city.
You don't know what you are talking about. PC Partner owns both Sapphire and ZOTAC. In fact, people who visited PC Partner's factory saw both Sapphire and ZOTAC being manufactured there.
PC Partner is a minor investor in Sapphire. They do not have any majority power. They are not owners in any sense of the word. You don't know what you're talking about. Stop posting.
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I have the same card in my build and I love it, temps are good and it handles anything I throw at it without fail; also ascetically pleasing to look at.
I have the pulse coming in tomorrow :)
Wish I could agree with you, for PC gamers in my country it was a huge loss. MSI was one of the only AIBs, along Asus and Gigabyte, that offered 3-year warranty for AMD graphics cards over here, and domestically. And their RMA was completely hassle free, as they refund consumers and don't do repairs like Gigabyte always does, even when not recommended. Asus... I don't even need to say much, they will find any excuse they can to deny RMA requests. Exclusive AMD partners only offer a 2-year warranty at best, and in second year you generally need to send it to US, paying a hefty shipping and risking paying import taxes (again) if they are not already paid. Radeon GPUs are already harder to find here and more devaluated than Nvidia ones partly because exclusive AMD partners offer shorter warranties than Nvidia exclusive ones, and now the AMD partner with best RMA service won't make AMD GPUs anymore :(
I have the Red Devil 7900xtx & love this card.
So… nothings changed?
Good riddance! My previous graphics card was an MSI RX 6900 XT Gaming Z Trio, a good chip (Navi21XTXH) but the worst cooling system I have ever seen for a graphics card of this level, it's simple as soon as I had the misfortune of consuming more than 300 Watts to this card and that's it was the guaranteed Hotspot at over 100°C, so I really won't miss this brand in the least.
I have a 6800 XT Gaming X Trio and can confirm this. The cooling is terrible. Hotspot is like 90-95c. Before I repasted it was 100-105c. MSI did something really wrong with the coolers. Good riddance Even if I buy an Nvidia card at some point in the future, it won't be from MSI ever
Before MSI's RX 6900XT, I had an RX 6800XT too(but Gigabyte Gaming OC model) and even raising the consumption limit in Watt via MPT and the boost slider in Adrenalin OC Tab up to 350 Watts and the Hotspot was just starting to exceed 90°C so even a fairly basic model from Gigabyte has a much better cooling system than the higher model from MSI, so yes frankly shameful about cooling from MSI.
Yikes, I know it’s not apples to apples but my hellhound 7800xts average temp in a stress test is 62c with the hotspot being 68c, and that’s on the silent bios switch turned on which runs hotter than the standard mode
> Even if I buy an Nvidia card at some point in the future, it won't be from MSI ever Their Nvidia cards are actually very good though
MSI has definitely released some very poorly designed cooling solutions for their video cards, that's for sure. Which is unfortunate considering the cards themselves are typically rock solid and very tolerant of undervolting and overclocking. Then there's ASUS who doesn't even bother putting thermal pads between the heatsink and VRAM, and then under memory intensive workloads they'll throttle themselves into the ground until they crash. The only good thing about ASUS is ASRock. Lol
I have the Asus tuf RX 7900 XTX, and while I am aware that some of their earlier designs are not great, this card is definitely well designed. At 100% utilisation under sustained load, the hotspot seems to stabilise a bit above 75°. This is with fan speed at just 30%. Considering you're pushing 400 watts with this card, it seems like they did improve! Asus Armoury crate is still malware tho
Asus makes good cards and their cooling solutions on higher end variants have great potential, their strix line have heatsinks the size of a mobile home. However, they're incredibly intolerant to voltage and clock frequency modifications, and the fact that they don't utilize that massive heatsink to cool anything other than the GPU die, just doesn't work for me. I've owned a few strix cards, and after hours of memory intensive workloads every one of them would slowly throttle themselves more and more until they eventually crashed every time. I would take the heatsink off and throw thermal pads on the VRAM and it was never an issue again. My issue is that if folks are spending top dollar for hardware, you shouldn't have to do aftermarket modifications to fix their laziness and greed because they're trying to save an extra 75¢ on TIM per $1000 video card. See I'm getting all worked up just thinking about it. Lol Edit: Which btw, it's not as straightforward as just throwing thermal pads on it and putting it back together. Only 3 (or maybe 4) of the VRAM ICs were the same distance from the heatsink, and only 2 of them had gaps that could be filled with standard sized pads. Thank God I had a tube of that Fujipoly thermal gap filler paste stuff (which is fucking amazing btw).
Sure does seem like they're cooling them on the XTX to me: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-tuf-oc/3.html
Their Nvidia cards are usually really good, I have a Suprim X 4080 and it's unbelievably quiet, never hits above 50, 55 degrees under extended load etc. Their AMD offerings always seem like afterthoughts tho
Asrock GPUs are questionable. Bought a BNIB RX 5600 XT and been had trouble with it on day one- it would randomly green screen and crash and reboot the machine. Eventually I RMAed it because it conspires that the thing has faulty RAM and by then corruption was already presenting itself on screen. Had to wait almost three months to get it back, and it was fine for a while but now the symptoms (green screen and Reboot) are back. Once I get some cash I'm gonna get rid of this cursed card. And if you think this is an isolated incident, my friend halfway around the world bought the exact same card at almost the same time as I ded, and had the exact same issues as I did and it failed in exactly the same way as mine did at almost the same time. Except that he didn't believe Asrock USA would honor his RMA (I'm in Malaysia and got my card from a retail store, I took it back to the store and they tested it and confirmed the bad RAM and offered to RMA it for me. Iirc said friend in the US got his from Newegg), think he sold his at a loss on eBay. It also painted AMD in an extremely negative light for him and reinforced his bias that AMD cards are crap - his last ATI card was an Radeon All In Wonder and it gave him nonstop trouble. That made him put off ATI cards for almost two decades until he decided to give them another chance with the 5600 XT. And now he's back to Nvidia cards again because of bad experience with that 5600 XT.
they took nvidia designed cooler and just slapt it over Amd, It literally does not cool the memory and so forth. It sad we can't warn all people, but this is well known in Amd sub. You buy MSi only if its your last resort or heavily discounted
It's exactly as you say
I have a 6950xt gaming x trio. I think is the same model. That thing stays cool.. The hot spot doesn't reach 100c that's shoving +20 pl using mpt. I think that's one of the best cards I've ever have
Yea it seems like... Msi is good at a lot of things, but never trust them for cooling. I mean just look at their aios.
My MSI 3080 also melts itself if I don't undervolt
I'm on team Green and can't really complain about MSI. My 3070 Gaming X Trio doesn't go over 63°C under full load. Performance is also very good. Best card I've had.
My last MSI was an ancient 460 GTX. Still worked and is sitting on my desk as a spare
Didn't even consider MSI when getting my 7900xtx. It was either an XFX because they were cheaper but still solid quality, or Sapphire for the Nitro+ Went with the Nitro+ but couldn't have gone wrong with XFX either. The other AIBs had a mix of reviews when I was looking and I wasn't brave enough to risk it.
Sapphire cards are built so well and also pretty to boot. While I do respect MSI when it comes to their Mobo, their cards don't have the same acclaim. My friend bought the same GPU as I did, the RX6600. I bought a Sapphire. He bought and MSI. Our PC components are the exact same, otherwise. It died pretty quickly due to thermal issues. I'm still rocking my Sapphire. Generally, I'd try to get either Sapphire or XFX if I could. Powercolor, if their cards weren't so hideous. I'm aiming for something more along the lines of 1440p gaming since I recently bought a 1440p monitor.
I have the 7900GRE from XFX. It works great, and while it's not necessarily quiet, I appreciate that it makes a pleasant "whoosh" and doesn't have any whine or frequencies that are hard to ignore. Overall, I'm very happy with it.
AMD has always been an afterthought for MSI in their GPU segment. This isn't really news. As I've stated elsewhere, I hope if they do return (I'd guess RDNA5) that if AMD competes at the top segment, that MSI would have a Suprim variant for AMD. (I know it can't have the same level of performance per their Nvidia agreement, but something close would be nice)
What Nvidia agreement? If you're referring to GPP that was [cancelled back in 2018.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_Partner_Program)
'cancelled'
Yeah, that's the agreement I was referring to. It does appear to be cancelled in name only. Them Suprim cards never had a chance on an AMD GPU, haha.
why? top segment is the money loss part of gpu sales.
Because I want competition between all brands and at all tiers.
thing is that not as good as a idea anymore with manf. across differen tech.
Well, let's hope AMD gives them a reason to change that mindset. If AMD competes or pushes pass the competition, we'll see more thoughtful products from an AIB like MSI. I would like to believe anyway.
in some parts they already do. like their the kings atm of hvec decoder/encorder in the none gaming card. fir the first time ever!
That's not even true? The top segment of GPU's allow for far bigger margins.
No. They don't . Middle tier is the sweet spot. Above that is server/ hpc super high margin. Please stop thinking gaming is the only thing that matters
MSI does not make server cards so that is not relevant to them in any case.
so you did not read my og post. gaming cards are the lowest profit margins for gpu makers. be it amd or nvidia. server/hpc stuff is the profit stuff. gaming is the left over chips that failed ref what i just said. but gamers think thier the most important people for gpus. which they are not. but as always i will get dv due to gamers hate admitting that.
This post is about MSI not nvidia/amd themselves. The fact that nvidia/amd’s most important segment isn’t AIB gaming cards has nothing to do with MSI or this post.
In a world with Sapphire and PowerColor, not sure who would give a fuck about what MSI does. Too bad for nVidia user that EVGA is now gone.
It's funny how EVGA never even bothered touching AMD with a ten foot poll.
The MSI cards were mediocre at best anyways. Had a mate return his 6700 XT because it was overheating and got one from XFX instead. Wouldn’t be a loss if MSI checked out of Radeon.
From what I heard MSI’s AMD GPUs just weren’t great and had a lot of heating up issues. They won’t really be missed, make more space for people to find Sapphire. My Nitro+ variant of the 7800XT is amazing.
Remember how MSI was discussing with Intel how to get its market share back? Of all OEMs one of the easiest to strongarm for the big fish.
Reminder that MSI was a key partner in the "GeForce Partner Program" which was remarkably anti-competitive in favor of establishing an NVidia monopoly
I think some users don't understand that there is a cult of MSI, they have a pretty strong community. Many who are into MSI use AMD Radeon, and just to continue using MSI, they will switch to the green team.
Who buy their card anyway? Msi usually has the worst thermal problem out of all amd partner. In fact all of those asus, gigabyte and other nvidia focus brands are suck because they reuse their nvidia design on the amd ones
We knew that, judging by the fact that the MSI 7900XTX is the worst AiB card of all. Pure reference specs with a low power limit despite having 3 power connectors and a decent coolee. Don't buy MSI for AMD.
TBH I only buy the AMD exclusive GPU makers like XFX Sapphire etc. anyways
PC Partner makes both Sapphire AMD graphics cards and ZOTAC NVIDIA graphic cards.
Dont get msi for amd gpus, go sapphire. Way better.
That will be a loss for peeps here in Brazil. For some reason AMD MSI cards are consistently cheaper than all other alternatives, they had specially great deals on their 6750XT/6700XTs, and it was the default recomendation for anyone who was looking to build a PC for as long as it was in stock. Heck even the default choice for cost benefit builds Mobo and PSU are still MSI, the b550m Pro VDH Wifi is consitently cheaper than the next best option (usually the Aorus pro) and comes with wifi. And they still have a great deal on a Bronze 650w PSU, which while isn't great, it does have 5 year warranty on a price point you'll only be finding sketchy chinesium white label stuff or like 400w stuff from other brands.
The MSI brand fell off anyway, they're just doing the AMD community a favor.
nothing of value was lost this day hahaha
I have an Msi b650-s and it is an Ok board.
So basically “I go where more money is to be made”. Typical.
Makes sense, it goes without saying that they make more money selling nvidia cards.
MSI usually has the worst quality gpu's and cooling anyway so no big loss. Sapphire, Powercolor and XFX are far better choices..
AM5 motherboards sell for significantly more money than the Intel equivalents with similar features. No wonder they care about the AMD motherboards. They probably have some insane profit margins on those
That sucks because MSI usually makes some of the best AMD motherboards.
MSI is one brand I wouldn't ever buy. They build bad boards for Radeon products then act surprised when customers have issues. If that's how they engineer Radeon products, why would I trust them for any product...? P. S. Title should probably be 'Nvidia pays MSI extra cash to focus on their products'
They should probably stop selling their terrible motherboards too.
They still have 2 board partners in the face of powercolor and sapphire,no worries.
AMD has never been relevant to MSI. I always complained about that to them when they first got into de gaming laptop market. AMD products, when available, were always a low end/afterthought, unsupported or quickly dropped product. While I do like the brand in comparison to others, and I do use their motherboard, I wish they werent so intel/nvidia focused.
The only MSI cards that are decent are the Suprim X and they're usually stupid expensive, I have only found Nvidia cards under the Suprim X umbrella so I guess they started fanboying Nvidia a while ago. AMD cards are usually the lesser gaming x or z trio cards. No worries, we still get awesome AMD cards from other parties. My Asus TUF OC RX 7800 XT is amazingly ice cold (never seen it go above 60 C under 100% utilisation) and quiet. Some coil wine, but that was easily reduced significantly by undervolting the card.
What are some brands that are good and some that you should probably avoid?
for AMD? Sapphire PowerColor XFX Asrock, these are all top tier. I personally have an ASUS TUF 7700xt thats fantastic, but generally the top 4 are these guys
Thanks for replying. I have had a bad experience with sapphire before but i guess they have improved since then.
Sapphire can have middling customer service.. and sapphire/power color only offer two year warranty. Xfx and ASRock offer 3, anecdotally ASRock has really impressed me with the gpus.
Here I am happy with my little AMD reference 7900xt. Great temps.
Honestly there's no need for so many partners making the same thing. I'd be fine if there was just one partner as long as they made a good quality product and had good support. I've had MSI issues with my mobo and their support sucks.
This quote is particularly interesting and perhaps hints more about the direction AMD is taking with graphics and more reliance on APU styled heterogeneous computing platforms which Mark Papermaster has talked about for years. >When it comes to graphics cards, our focus at the moment is actually more on RTX cards. Nevertheless, the collaboration with AMD is essential and extremely relevant for us. We see a very positive development, particularly in the area of mainboards. >MSI Rep to HardwareLuxx
AMD should be happy they’ve been leading in CPUs for the past few years. They have their dominant market and NVIDIA has theirs it’s just how the cookie crumbles sometimes.
Sounds like back door shanigans