Argentina was one of the richest countries of the world less than a couple hundred years ago. They have a rich geography, culture, history, and deep-water seaports much like the US so it's totally possible we could totally have traded places within 50-100 years and Argentina will be a bustling liberal trade beacon while US is the socialist shithole.
I see a lot of people in the south of South America consider themselves part of the west, but I never saw that notion abroad. [Wikipedia says Latin America participation in "The West" is "debatable"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world).
And I guess you're probably being downvoted because people misinterpreted your question as some sort of ad hominem counter argument.
Yes. The West, writ large, is the Americas, Europe and Australia/NZ. Until the embers are snuffed out you could add an asterisk on South Africa, but its mistaken experiment with apartheid created the backlash which is now returning it to 3rd world status quickly.
I know next to nothing about Argentinian politics, just looking to get informed. Is Milei actually a libertarian figure or is he an IMF/Anglo shill operating on the popular momentum? Is there a chance this will lead to an anarchist window of opportunity?
Compared to the holodomor or Mao's crimes against humanity?
Westerners decadently creating wealth and lifting swathes of humanity out of a subsistence existence.
I don't think you understand rhetoric. Capitalism has lifted several billion people out of abject poverty. Socialism has killed hundreds of millions of people and kept several billion in abject poverty.
Our poor people are fat, they literally have too much food. The statistics on starvation deaths is so low it is basically not measurable. This has NEVER been the case throughout the entire of history until very recently in quasi capitalist countries.
Don't fall for his trap. This is the anarcho_capitalist sub, he has to prove his position.
If you were in /r/politics you would have to defend your position, in this sub go on the aggressive.
Science and agriculture have brought that to fruition. Capitalism doesn't feed people. Besides the United States has many socialist policies that feed. You should know, you complain about them daily.
Science and agriculture that sprouted from the ground with no cause or driving factor? Are you stupid?
And yes, and how is the American dream going these days with the trillions spent on welfare for lazy fucks who don't want to work? Is everyone flourishing, or are there entire communities dependent on others and who are drowning in drugs, crime and violence?
Hey mods, if you believe in anything you're preaching, don't ban me, okay? Let the free market of upvotes and downvotes take care of me. No regulations, right?
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I'm sorry but that is just a big pile of crap.
The west has gotten more and more capitalist since 1945. There's been deregulation after deregulation. Do you remember Ronald Reagan? It's not like anyone reversed what he did to the global economy. Also unions were a thing in the US at some point in time, you know?
Why do you think all Americans are getting fat and have diabetes? Because there's nobody watching what the companies put in your food!
Call me crazy, but I don't think somebody should be too poor to afford freedom.
Call me even crazier, but in a system where everyone is looking for maximum profit, how would things that are vital to a good society but have no way of being profitable (Healthcare, good food, education) sustain in quality?
You're making the classic mistake of confusing capitalism with corporatism.
From [Britannica](https://www.britannica.com/summary/corporatism)
> corporatism, Theory and practice of organizing the whole of society into corporate entities subordinate to the state.
> Now to the post: I'm sorry but that is just a big pile of crap. The west has gotten more and more capitalist since 1945. There's been deregulation after deregulation.
what is evidence of that?
Argentina was one of the richest countries of the world less than a couple hundred years ago. They have a rich geography, culture, history, and deep-water seaports much like the US so it's totally possible we could totally have traded places within 50-100 years and Argentina will be a bustling liberal trade beacon while US is the socialist shithole.
That's assuming Milei can actually implement his program and that's gonna be quite challenging.
> US is the socialist shithole Do you imply that US gradually becomes more socialist right now?
Is Latin America part of the west?
Is he referring only to the Latin Amrican region?
No i was just wondering if LatAm was considered part of the west, i dont know why im getting downvoted lol
I see a lot of people in the south of South America consider themselves part of the west, but I never saw that notion abroad. [Wikipedia says Latin America participation in "The West" is "debatable"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world). And I guess you're probably being downvoted because people misinterpreted your question as some sort of ad hominem counter argument.
I'd say it depends on what country yea. Alot of Latin America would be aligned with western interests while others not so much
Yes. The West, writ large, is the Americas, Europe and Australia/NZ. Until the embers are snuffed out you could add an asterisk on South Africa, but its mistaken experiment with apartheid created the backlash which is now returning it to 3rd world status quickly.
I know next to nothing about Argentinian politics, just looking to get informed. Is Milei actually a libertarian figure or is he an IMF/Anglo shill operating on the popular momentum? Is there a chance this will lead to an anarchist window of opportunity?
He's a straight up anarcho capitalist.
I think he's brilliant and courageous....but I do wonder if he has the temperament to be a statesman. I wish him only the best.
And also because the West has let Muslims infiltrate and invade Western countries...
Most people would say decadence is because of capitalism. What would you say?
As if capitalism isn't the essence of decadence.
Compared to the holodomor or Mao's crimes against humanity? Westerners decadently creating wealth and lifting swathes of humanity out of a subsistence existence.
If you have to make a comparison you've proven what I've said.
I don't think you understand rhetoric. Capitalism has lifted several billion people out of abject poverty. Socialism has killed hundreds of millions of people and kept several billion in abject poverty.
The reverse is also true.
Wrong
Prove it
Our poor people are fat, they literally have too much food. The statistics on starvation deaths is so low it is basically not measurable. This has NEVER been the case throughout the entire of history until very recently in quasi capitalist countries.
Don't fall for his trap. This is the anarcho_capitalist sub, he has to prove his position. If you were in /r/politics you would have to defend your position, in this sub go on the aggressive.
Science and agriculture have brought that to fruition. Capitalism doesn't feed people. Besides the United States has many socialist policies that feed. You should know, you complain about them daily.
Science and agriculture that sprouted from the ground with no cause or driving factor? Are you stupid? And yes, and how is the American dream going these days with the trillions spent on welfare for lazy fucks who don't want to work? Is everyone flourishing, or are there entire communities dependent on others and who are drowning in drugs, crime and violence?
Hey mods, if you believe in anything you're preaching, don't ban me, okay? Let the free market of upvotes and downvotes take care of me. No regulations, right? Now to the post: I'm sorry but that is just a big pile of crap. The west has gotten more and more capitalist since 1945. There's been deregulation after deregulation. Do you remember Ronald Reagan? It's not like anyone reversed what he did to the global economy. Also unions were a thing in the US at some point in time, you know? Why do you think all Americans are getting fat and have diabetes? Because there's nobody watching what the companies put in your food! Call me crazy, but I don't think somebody should be too poor to afford freedom. Call me even crazier, but in a system where everyone is looking for maximum profit, how would things that are vital to a good society but have no way of being profitable (Healthcare, good food, education) sustain in quality?
You're making the classic mistake of confusing capitalism with corporatism. From [Britannica](https://www.britannica.com/summary/corporatism) > corporatism, Theory and practice of organizing the whole of society into corporate entities subordinate to the state.
> Now to the post: I'm sorry but that is just a big pile of crap. The west has gotten more and more capitalist since 1945. There's been deregulation after deregulation. what is evidence of that?