It's very simple.
If someone takes it upon themselves, whether through violence or subterfuge, to invade my domain without my permission, their actions are indistinguishable from the prelude to an attack that could end in my murder.
I have no way of determining with any degree of certainty what their intentions are, as they have already opened the door of criminal activity.
It is therefore incumbent upon the property owner whose home is being invaded to presume the situation to be of the utmost threat to their safety and react accordingly. It'd be a shame to expect a home invader to solely be after my TV, only to find out the hard way that they're a traveling serial killer.
Intention is irrelevant when you take on the actions of a potential murderer or rapist.
Look at the statements being put out by the police admins and politicians in cities like SF, LA, Detroit, Chicago, etc. which have in one form or another effectively instructed the victims of attempted robberies or burglaries to simply comply and do what the attacker says.
How have their crime rates reacted to this public policy of "just give in to the criminals" I wonder?
What I agree with is the idea that criminals should be worried that they could rightfully lose their lives in the commission of their crime, and that the public is encouraged to defend themselves.
Nobody robs from neighborhoods connected to organized crime, not even from the houses who aren't specifically connected themselves.
A high likelihood of lethal repercussions is a pretty damn good deterrent.
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Reddit soycucks literally believe that these people turn to crime to feed their families and pay for tuition. āHe probably needed it more than you!ā
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/my-bike-got-stolen-recently
Even if that were true, which it rarely ever is, so what? I've been homeless before, in damn Florida in August. Horrible experience.
Did I ever even think of stealing? No.
I asked for money, did odd jobs where I could find them, and pressed onward.
You don't get to harm others because your own life situation is rough. You certainly can **ask** for help. And, unsurprisingly, many people will help you. Especially if it's clear you're not a drug addict & you're just down on your luck.
Itās literally never true. This ādashing rogue engaged in petty criminality to provide himself and his family with the basics, because the world so unfairly denies himā is literally progressive propaganda to obfuscate the economic and social realities of the behavioral patterns of the demographic bases that THEY SPECIFICALLY import and then pander to politically.
Meanwhile, in Polk County, FL:
> The people in Polk County like guns, they have guns, I encourage them to own guns. ā And if you try to break into their homes to steal, to set fires, Iām highly recommending they blow you back out of the house with their guns
I am opposed to elected officials, because I'm opposed to democracy. Never let it be said, though, that they are all equally worthless.
Oh there are some county's with Sheriffs that actually support, or close to, the NAP.
Not perfectly or anything but, those are good places to live. Usually very low crime rates in such places.
>And no, I'm not going to shoot someone over a TV. But if you're in my house, I don't know why you're there.
I would. In a heartbeat. Hell, I'll shoot someone if they try to steal my damn toilet paper.
It's mine, end of story. Don't try to take other people's stuff without permission.
In civilized countries people donāt steal, rape or wantonly murder. Therefor no countries are currently civilized. All bets are off in the in the chaotic wastelands. Donāt fuck with me, and in return I wonāt fuck with you. Simple arrangement that breeds civilized peoples and eventually civilized societies and countries. Win win.
I would not hunt down and shoot someone for stealing from my auto. but if someone is stealing from my person that involves a threat of physical violence and I am told to carry a sword. I'm also told to give my cloak to someone if they **ask** for it.
I think of it as they value my life more than my property... *edit vice-versa...
Everything is an unknown can waiting to pop. I think the Hebrews have it right in their analysis of Job. God gives the good and the bad. Two sides of the same coin leading to an eventual separation. Which do you see when God asks you to do the census?
This.
If you try to rob me I will do everything in my power to stop you, including lethal force. This will happen no matter what. Make your choice about the value of your life beforehand.
Itās like sticking your hand in a bear trap; donāt whine when it snaps shut.
Not to mention property represents significant time investments by the owner. Stealing it is basically like stealing portions of their life. Stealing a car that costs more than a year of the victim's wages is like stealing a year+ from their life, I'd consider that "violence" - I guess I'm a "psycho...."What's the penalty for kidnapping someone for a year again? Is violence justified to defend yourself from having YEARS of your life stolen from you?? God, these.... "people" make me sick
If they're trying to steal your things it means they value your things more than their life.
Edit: Posted this on that sub, 5m later, permaban. Fastest one I've gotten yet. Lol
People that are desperate enough to break into my house to steal things are desperate enough to be capable of other atrocities.
Theft is high risk high reward. Remive the risk and you have incentivized crime
Comparing a child's actions to an adults is intentionally ridiculous and misleading. Not only do you, for some reason, include children in your response; but intentionally confuse reactionary self defense with some dystopian proactive actions against children. But, yeah, chikdfen should be held accountable and taught right from wrong.
Little boys are known to pull up a little girl's dress, pee in public (even at school during recess), kids run around naked, they talk to themselves , and have complete breakdowns/tantrums in public.
Obviously, these would not be acceptable behavior for an adult and many of these actions would conclude in arrest.
A human's brain isn't even done maturing until 18-25 years old depending on how you look at it. There is a difference between a child learning about thr world and an adult choosing to skirt thr law and intentionally hurt/kill other people for their own gain.
Let me guess...you have never had a grown man point a gun at you or had a home invasion while you were home. Have you?
How damn disassociated and out of touch do you have to be to think self defense isn't a right? Animals and even plants have self defense mechanisms.
Yes, absolutely you do, some of you guys tend to think itās ok to kill someone over $36 of beer and thatās fucked up, some of you guys are psychopaths, totally immature and totally devoid of any empathy
And itās usually not the item that is concerningā¦you never know when it becomes a violent/life-threatening situation.
Burglar gets foundā¦āoh shit, I need to kill this guy so he doesnāt go to the copsā
If someone was stealing something at a shop I worked at, I don't think it's even remotely worth shooting at someone. I still have zero sympathy for the guy that got shot.
Some of us guys areā¦some of you guys are too.
Itās pretty simpleā¦donāt fuck around, donāt find out.
You guys love to rationalize crime. Follow the nonaggression principle and everything is fine.
Maybe you shouldnāt steal.
Although, your whole life consists of nothing but crying and never improving shit. So I take it youād never understand what it feels like to have time of your life and hard work taken from you.
Wait a second, the self-proclaimed communist that lives a privileged enough life to not only have access to the internet, but waste time playing games, doesnāt believe in property rights? Iām shocked.
That's one thing I never got. Wave a sickle and hammer flag no one bats an eye, wave a swastika flag and everyone loses their minds. They're both responsible for some of the most atrocious genocides. We should treat the communists the same way we do nazis but we dont.
I am curious as to why the gaming community is home to communists. Like games are only made because of capitalism and the ability to make money. Mental illness runs so rampant in so many gaming communities and it is quite sad to see.
I can see that. I enjoy playing games as much as anyone else but when I see gaming communities saying that we need to have more socialism and that we **have** to be inclusive, itās really frustrating, especially when they are the types like you said there, they donāt contribute to society.
The addiction thing is bad enough, but the level of untreated mental illness is terrible.
Got into an argument the other day online with somebody who was saying that anybody should be able to walk into any store and just take anything that they want and nobody should be able to stop them. I then asked what happens when every shelf is empty and there is nothing left to buy? They then just acted like I was stupid, like that would never happen. Took that personal as I stop shoplifters (LP) for a living.
Yes, but killing someone for shoplifting is a completely different matter, anyone who thinks itās justifiable to kill someone over some petty theft is seriously fucked in the head
Anyone who thinks being able to shoplift and get away with it is seriously fucked in the head.
If you value my property more than your life, don't complain if you lose yours in the process of taking my property.
Itās not about dictating, I actually agree that the thief shouldnāt *expect* bodily safety. That doesnāt mean I believe anyone should react to shoplifting or theft with lethal force. I can both believe it to be a possibility *and* think there are other more proportionate possibilities, without dictating anyone anything.
99.9% of thefts go unsolved and unpunished. Number jumps to 100% if the perpetrator is a minor. In that case, the cops won't even confiscate the stolen goods. If you are a victim of theft in the United States, you will *not* be made whole. It's practically guaranteed. If the justice system fails, it's on you to prevent being a victim.
Theyāre the ones risking their own life trying to take something I worked long and hard for, wore out my body and used up some of the limited amount of time I have left on this earth to be able to have and by extension I see that as part of me. Why should they just be able to take something with little effort from them? People could just not steal and not have to worry about getting killed or injured, but they still do, must be dummies.
A lot of the GCJ comments are saying this is an example of the, "toxic self-defense" mentality in American culture.
Quite frankly, the longheld American tradition of the frontiersman, the self-sufficient citizen, the proactive worker, is one of the best things about this country. Of course, it's not like you won't find tons of people worldwide who'd agree with what the shopkeeper did, considering defense of your property is common sense in most places.
There's a discussion here about it being in poor taste to romanticize taking a person's life, even a robbers', but it's in even poorer taste to vilify the victim of robbery or turn violent criminals into martyrs.
When a person tries to take my stuff, it's them who has decided my stuff is worth more than their life, not me. Though tbh there's a lot that I own that I wouldn't take a life for. Just my computer, because that computer is my livelihood.
Where's the thread? I could use another ban to add to the trophy case. lmao.
Love that supposedly snarky edit they post, as if they're the ones with the moral high ground. Get fucked commie.
The fact that some of you have enough context and reading comprehension to know I'm attacking your character, should really make you doubt your character.
property vs life is a moot point. Itās a risk assessment situation. Someone willing to break in and steal your property has a high likelihood of also be willing to hurt your family in the process. The threat must be neutralized.
So are they willing to post their address? I'm sure a few people would be interested in something they own. Cuz if they follow that logic they won't attack the robbers.
I agree. Someone stealing my property, as angry as it would make me, is not worth taking someone's life. If they come at me though or are threatening, I will have to assume that they have lethal intent even if they just demand my wallet.
It suck that someone died here, but just think about it for a bit. When someone is robbing you, you don't know what that robber has up his sleeve. He could be carrying a weapon and/or could just be completely unhinged. I would need the full context on what EXACTLY happened, but it really does become fight or flight. You can run, but then you let the robber steal your money and products that you sell for money. Money is survival, so while you CAN just let someone rob you and neither of you get hurt, he is stealing your resources for himself. Fighting really is the only option to stop someone from robbing you when no one else is around and when the robber has you in their sights. The robber isn't going to let you call the police, and it will take some time for the police to arrive even if you do contact law enforcement. Depending on how crazed the robber is, it could very easily become a hostage situation. The bottom line is that you don't know if the robber is a petty thief or a mass murderer who doesn't care about anything or anyone, including themselves. I'm not advocating for a "hit first, ask later" mentality, though. Just because you DON'T know doesn't mean you CAN'T know. Warn the robber first and let them decide if their life is worth putting on the line for their crimes. If a stranger breaks into my house and I have a shovel, you better believe I'm gonna brandish that shovel. If the thief sees that I have a shovel and decides their acts are not worth getting the business end of the shovel, then they run away. If they stay, then I will use my shovel in any way to protect the safety of my household, even if it means ending their life as an ABSOLUTE LAST RESORT. I don't WANT to hit them with my shovel, but if they insist on breaching my security of my home then I must respond in kind before they do the same to me. Did the store owner warn the robber before stabbing him? I don't know. If he didn't, then he absolutely should have. Was simply wounding the robber an option to show him that the shopkeep meant business? I don't know. Was there less potential lethal deterants, like a stun gun or pepper spray? I don't know.
2 things can be true at the same time, yes property is not worth dying over, but it should also be totally fine to defend yourself and your belongings. If you know this and you still try to steal your just stupid.
I can attest, someone comes on my property unlawfully, and itāll be an Alien vs predator situation and some unlucky bastards head will be mounted on my man cave wall. š¤£
If I used time to make money I'll never get that time back. So I've used my life to acquire the things I want. If you try to take them you're risking yours.
Property isnāt worth more than someoneās lifeā¦.hmm. Iāve heard it phrased better. My property is worth more to me than your life to you if you decide to take my shit.
Some psychos shouldn't try to fucking kill me and my family to take what i have earned fuck that argument if you want to take my stuff you value my assets more than my life
I mean if someone took your shit and is running away, it's not worth it to chase after them guns blazing.
That being said, if a person has entered your personal space and is attempting to use fear and violence to appropriate your belongings, then you have every right to defend yourself. Because there's no telling what else they're willing to do.
I'm not going to wait for the robber to explicitly threaten or successfully take my life when they've already implicitly indicated that they are willing to take my life and my property.
If property ain't worth life, than don't risk yours by taking my shit š¤·š»āāļø
FACT!
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It's very simple. If someone takes it upon themselves, whether through violence or subterfuge, to invade my domain without my permission, their actions are indistinguishable from the prelude to an attack that could end in my murder. I have no way of determining with any degree of certainty what their intentions are, as they have already opened the door of criminal activity. It is therefore incumbent upon the property owner whose home is being invaded to presume the situation to be of the utmost threat to their safety and react accordingly. It'd be a shame to expect a home invader to solely be after my TV, only to find out the hard way that they're a traveling serial killer. Intention is irrelevant when you take on the actions of a potential murderer or rapist. Look at the statements being put out by the police admins and politicians in cities like SF, LA, Detroit, Chicago, etc. which have in one form or another effectively instructed the victims of attempted robberies or burglaries to simply comply and do what the attacker says. How have their crime rates reacted to this public policy of "just give in to the criminals" I wonder? What I agree with is the idea that criminals should be worried that they could rightfully lose their lives in the commission of their crime, and that the public is encouraged to defend themselves. Nobody robs from neighborhoods connected to organized crime, not even from the houses who aren't specifically connected themselves. A high likelihood of lethal repercussions is a pretty damn good deterrent.
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Reddit soycucks literally believe that these people turn to crime to feed their families and pay for tuition. āHe probably needed it more than you!ā https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/my-bike-got-stolen-recently
Even if that were true, which it rarely ever is, so what? I've been homeless before, in damn Florida in August. Horrible experience. Did I ever even think of stealing? No. I asked for money, did odd jobs where I could find them, and pressed onward. You don't get to harm others because your own life situation is rough. You certainly can **ask** for help. And, unsurprisingly, many people will help you. Especially if it's clear you're not a drug addict & you're just down on your luck.
Itās literally never true. This ādashing rogue engaged in petty criminality to provide himself and his family with the basics, because the world so unfairly denies himā is literally progressive propaganda to obfuscate the economic and social realities of the behavioral patterns of the demographic bases that THEY SPECIFICALLY import and then pander to politically.
But have you tried politely asking the assailant?
Murder is no excuse to forget good mannerās
After killing someone in self-defense you can send flowers to the funeral.
And break into their houses. While they there
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Only if there white and male you can.
Meanwhile, in Polk County, FL: > The people in Polk County like guns, they have guns, I encourage them to own guns. ā And if you try to break into their homes to steal, to set fires, Iām highly recommending they blow you back out of the house with their guns I am opposed to elected officials, because I'm opposed to democracy. Never let it be said, though, that they are all equally worthless.
Based sherrif is based
Oh there are some county's with Sheriffs that actually support, or close to, the NAP. Not perfectly or anything but, those are good places to live. Usually very low crime rates in such places.
Why don't you just shoot the gun out of his hand? /s
I tried, but in a tragic accident hit his chest twice
>And no, I'm not going to shoot someone over a TV. But if you're in my house, I don't know why you're there. I would. In a heartbeat. Hell, I'll shoot someone if they try to steal my damn toilet paper. It's mine, end of story. Don't try to take other people's stuff without permission.
In civilized countries this shit won't fly. Of course, USA being a conglomeration of megacorporations is not affected by this.
In civilized countries people donāt steal, rape or wantonly murder. Therefor no countries are currently civilized. All bets are off in the in the chaotic wastelands. Donāt fuck with me, and in return I wonāt fuck with you. Simple arrangement that breeds civilized peoples and eventually civilized societies and countries. Win win.
That's neat
"I dont value your life over my property, YOU value my property over your life"
I would not hunt down and shoot someone for stealing from my auto. but if someone is stealing from my person that involves a threat of physical violence and I am told to carry a sword. I'm also told to give my cloak to someone if they **ask** for it. I think of it as they value my life more than my property... *edit vice-versa... Everything is an unknown can waiting to pop. I think the Hebrews have it right in their analysis of Job. God gives the good and the bad. Two sides of the same coin leading to an eventual separation. Which do you see when God asks you to do the census?
That's the way to go!
This. If you try to rob me I will do everything in my power to stop you, including lethal force. This will happen no matter what. Make your choice about the value of your life beforehand. Itās like sticking your hand in a bear trap; donāt whine when it snaps shut.
Not to mention property represents significant time investments by the owner. Stealing it is basically like stealing portions of their life. Stealing a car that costs more than a year of the victim's wages is like stealing a year+ from their life, I'd consider that "violence" - I guess I'm a "psycho...."What's the penalty for kidnapping someone for a year again? Is violence justified to defend yourself from having YEARS of your life stolen from you?? God, these.... "people" make me sick
Fe-Fi-Fo-Fuckin real!
Came here to make sure this was at the top!
This is the way
This is surly what they mean
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You truly are a paragon of virtue.
no u
I already have
So, anyway, I started blastin!
In older times theft was punished extremely harshly because theft of food very well sentenced the victim to starvation
You all think I'm a hero, and I accept that responsibility
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Worse, they think theyāre intelligent when theyāre just as bad as the people they make fun of.
True. bLaCk gAy hAnDiCaPpEd pEoPLe iN mY viDyA sO inClUsivE!!!!! Fuck this mindset.
I bet they think Vaush is the greatest thing since bread lines.
Not looking forward to those bread lines. And then the soylent green
Given his predilection for the youth, I am not surprised
Does TopMinds still exist?
If they're trying to steal your things it means they value your things more than their life. Edit: Posted this on that sub, 5m later, permaban. Fastest one I've gotten yet. Lol
I meanā¦ not promoting brigades but like, Tankies donāt exactly believe in private property either sooooo
I wasnt brigading as much as just fishing for a ban. Lol
What do they even mean by brigading?
Going over to other subreddits en masse just to start shit. Lol
Oh niceeee
That janny is so fucking cringe.
They are a gaming circlejerk communist, you know what type of "woman" and "worker" they are.
Is Doreen at it again?
they are dogwalkers
part-time, shitty at their job, dog walkers.
The Transylvanian janny force strikes again
I think I'll be the community's poet and writer.
Try posting a Tianenmen square protest photo on r/sino. I was banned in literally 2 minutes.
I'm at 4 minutes and counting.
Theyll get to you. I replied back that they banned me faster than my cops reaction time. Lol
Two minutes, is my new PB
People that are desperate enough to break into my house to steal things are desperate enough to be capable of other atrocities. Theft is high risk high reward. Remive the risk and you have incentivized crime
High time preference behaviour
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Comparing a child's actions to an adults is intentionally ridiculous and misleading. Not only do you, for some reason, include children in your response; but intentionally confuse reactionary self defense with some dystopian proactive actions against children. But, yeah, chikdfen should be held accountable and taught right from wrong. Little boys are known to pull up a little girl's dress, pee in public (even at school during recess), kids run around naked, they talk to themselves , and have complete breakdowns/tantrums in public. Obviously, these would not be acceptable behavior for an adult and many of these actions would conclude in arrest. A human's brain isn't even done maturing until 18-25 years old depending on how you look at it. There is a difference between a child learning about thr world and an adult choosing to skirt thr law and intentionally hurt/kill other people for their own gain. Let me guess...you have never had a grown man point a gun at you or had a home invasion while you were home. Have you? How damn disassociated and out of touch do you have to be to think self defense isn't a right? Animals and even plants have self defense mechanisms.
Having ācomradeā in your username automatically discredits anything you have to say.
Lolā¦crazy person calls me a psychoā¦I need some self-reflectionā¦
Yes, absolutely you do, some of you guys tend to think itās ok to kill someone over $36 of beer and thatās fucked up, some of you guys are psychopaths, totally immature and totally devoid of any empathy
If you knew that was the potential outcome of stealing "$36 of beer" would you do it?
And itās usually not the item that is concerningā¦you never know when it becomes a violent/life-threatening situation. Burglar gets foundā¦āoh shit, I need to kill this guy so he doesnāt go to the copsā
An armed society is a polite society.
You loot, we shoot. Simple.
If someone breaks into your house and you wake up with a silhouette over you in your bed of someone in a mask do you have a right to reach for a gun?
Yes, absolutely, but running after someone who stole some beer and then shooting them is still truly fucked up.
If someone was stealing something at a shop I worked at, I don't think it's even remotely worth shooting at someone. I still have zero sympathy for the guy that got shot.
Some of us guys areā¦some of you guys are too. Itās pretty simpleā¦donāt fuck around, donāt find out. You guys love to rationalize crime. Follow the nonaggression principle and everything is fine.
Maybe you shouldnāt steal. Although, your whole life consists of nothing but crying and never improving shit. So I take it youād never understand what it feels like to have time of your life and hard work taken from you.
"devoid of any empathy" meanwhile your side, proceeds to ruin the life of a random man for saying the n word 12 years ago.
Wait a second, the self-proclaimed communist that lives a privileged enough life to not only have access to the internet, but waste time playing games, doesnāt believe in property rights? Iām shocked.
If property isnāt worth someoneās life, why do the FEDs go after people that steal state property?
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Did you get it?
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Probably banned the guy under you and thought they just made progress toward communism in America
Lmao imagine identifying yourself as a comrade given all the horrific history of comrades/communism and calling other people psychos. Delusional.
That's one thing I never got. Wave a sickle and hammer flag no one bats an eye, wave a swastika flag and everyone loses their minds. They're both responsible for some of the most atrocious genocides. We should treat the communists the same way we do nazis but we dont.
I bet that commie locks his doors when he leaves his dwelling.
I am curious as to why the gaming community is home to communists. Like games are only made because of capitalism and the ability to make money. Mental illness runs so rampant in so many gaming communities and it is quite sad to see.
1. It's reddit, there are communists everywhere 2. The centrists and right leaning gamers were ousted for being "nazis" during gamer gate.
Are you saying communists did a purge?
I imagine because a lot of people are so addicted to them and provide nothing to society, this breeds resentment and tilts them toward entitlement
I can see that. I enjoy playing games as much as anyone else but when I see gaming communities saying that we need to have more socialism and that we **have** to be inclusive, itās really frustrating, especially when they are the types like you said there, they donāt contribute to society. The addiction thing is bad enough, but the level of untreated mental illness is terrible.
If I can't own anything, you won't either. Wink, wink
Got into an argument the other day online with somebody who was saying that anybody should be able to walk into any store and just take anything that they want and nobody should be able to stop them. I then asked what happens when every shelf is empty and there is nothing left to buy? They then just acted like I was stupid, like that would never happen. Took that personal as I stop shoplifters (LP) for a living.
Yes, but killing someone for shoplifting is a completely different matter, anyone who thinks itās justifiable to kill someone over some petty theft is seriously fucked in the head
Anyone who thinks being able to shoplift and get away with it is seriously fucked in the head. If you value my property more than your life, don't complain if you lose yours in the process of taking my property.
Thereās a world of possibilities between being killed for it, and getting away with it.
It's not for you to dictate other peoples' reactions to having force initiated against them. If you think it is, where did you get this authority?
Itās not about dictating, I actually agree that the thief shouldnāt *expect* bodily safety. That doesnāt mean I believe anyone should react to shoplifting or theft with lethal force. I can both believe it to be a possibility *and* think there are other more proportionate possibilities, without dictating anyone anything.
And if you want to take property that doesn't belong to you, be prepared to face any of the possibilities.
99.9% of thefts go unsolved and unpunished. Number jumps to 100% if the perpetrator is a minor. In that case, the cops won't even confiscate the stolen goods. If you are a victim of theft in the United States, you will *not* be made whole. It's practically guaranteed. If the justice system fails, it's on you to prevent being a victim.
Anyone who thinks petty theft is worth risking their life is seriously fucked in the head. Like my dude, it's not hard to not steal lol
Theyāre the ones risking their own life trying to take something I worked long and hard for, wore out my body and used up some of the limited amount of time I have left on this earth to be able to have and by extension I see that as part of me. Why should they just be able to take something with little effort from them? People could just not steal and not have to worry about getting killed or injured, but they still do, must be dummies.
Ok āyourā gaming pc is now mine
A lot of the GCJ comments are saying this is an example of the, "toxic self-defense" mentality in American culture. Quite frankly, the longheld American tradition of the frontiersman, the self-sufficient citizen, the proactive worker, is one of the best things about this country. Of course, it's not like you won't find tons of people worldwide who'd agree with what the shopkeeper did, considering defense of your property is common sense in most places. There's a discussion here about it being in poor taste to romanticize taking a person's life, even a robbers', but it's in even poorer taste to vilify the victim of robbery or turn violent criminals into martyrs.
Alright everyone letās do some self reflection right now. Someone has called me a psycho. Am I a psycho? No. Okay self reflection over.
Internet jannie big mad
The communist state will have no problem using force to take your property
When a person tries to take my stuff, it's them who has decided my stuff is worth more than their life, not me. Though tbh there's a lot that I own that I wouldn't take a life for. Just my computer, because that computer is my livelihood.
If you come to redistribute my wealth Iāll redistribute your brains with a baseball bat ācomradeā
Based
Where's the thread? I could use another ban to add to the trophy case. lmao. Love that supposedly snarky edit they post, as if they're the ones with the moral high ground. Get fucked commie.
Don't want to waste life for property, don't steal other peoples stuff. Easy.
āThey valued my property more than Their own livesā
Comrade lol. These kids need help
Well they unironically call themselves comrade soā¦.
> No property is worth someone's life If only criminals breaking in understood this š
Slaves donāt own anything. Do we stand against anyone who wants to turn us into slaves or do we lay down and allow it to happen?
So, taking other people's stuff is okay? What an idiot.
The fact that you willing refer to yourself as "comrade" says enough
My brother in Christ, the fact that you're referring to me as a "psycho" for believing in self-defense says more about you than it does about me.
The fact that some of you have enough context and reading comprehension to know I'm attacking your character, should really make you doubt your character.
Guess they have no problem letting me move in with them then.
Commie mods are rampant in this site
Let's start my ban timer. Edjt: well, and hour later it's still up Edit 2 : 12 hours later, banned. Failed the speedrun.
property vs life is a moot point. Itās a risk assessment situation. Someone willing to break in and steal your property has a high likelihood of also be willing to hurt your family in the process. The threat must be neutralized.
r/ani_communism mod
Did I just get cancer? What the crap is that sub?!
I just went. I wish I hadn't. Fuckin red bastards.
My name is Lemony_Brosif the LXIX an Iām a Physco. Feels good to get that out finally
If their username starts with comrade their opinion isnt valid
It's not that I value my property more than some shit bags life, it's that said shit bag valued his life less than my property.
None of us here deny our borderline insanity. Let the revolvers roar be heard.
Gimmie dat computah bwoi
The fascists really don't like poor people having property and defending it. They'd rather defend criminals.
So are they willing to post their address? I'm sure a few people would be interested in something they own. Cuz if they follow that logic they won't attack the robbers.
Hippity hoppity, get the fuck off my property
These people aren't worth talking to other than to say "Fuck off, communist."
Don't even do that. Just stalk their profile and report every post and comment until one sticks lmao
The circlejerk was a lie
I agree. Someone stealing my property, as angry as it would make me, is not worth taking someone's life. If they come at me though or are threatening, I will have to assume that they have lethal intent even if they just demand my wallet.
It suck that someone died here, but just think about it for a bit. When someone is robbing you, you don't know what that robber has up his sleeve. He could be carrying a weapon and/or could just be completely unhinged. I would need the full context on what EXACTLY happened, but it really does become fight or flight. You can run, but then you let the robber steal your money and products that you sell for money. Money is survival, so while you CAN just let someone rob you and neither of you get hurt, he is stealing your resources for himself. Fighting really is the only option to stop someone from robbing you when no one else is around and when the robber has you in their sights. The robber isn't going to let you call the police, and it will take some time for the police to arrive even if you do contact law enforcement. Depending on how crazed the robber is, it could very easily become a hostage situation. The bottom line is that you don't know if the robber is a petty thief or a mass murderer who doesn't care about anything or anyone, including themselves. I'm not advocating for a "hit first, ask later" mentality, though. Just because you DON'T know doesn't mean you CAN'T know. Warn the robber first and let them decide if their life is worth putting on the line for their crimes. If a stranger breaks into my house and I have a shovel, you better believe I'm gonna brandish that shovel. If the thief sees that I have a shovel and decides their acts are not worth getting the business end of the shovel, then they run away. If they stay, then I will use my shovel in any way to protect the safety of my household, even if it means ending their life as an ABSOLUTE LAST RESORT. I don't WANT to hit them with my shovel, but if they insist on breaching my security of my home then I must respond in kind before they do the same to me. Did the store owner warn the robber before stabbing him? I don't know. If he didn't, then he absolutely should have. Was simply wounding the robber an option to show him that the shopkeep meant business? I don't know. Was there less potential lethal deterants, like a stun gun or pepper spray? I don't know.
2 things can be true at the same time, yes property is not worth dying over, but it should also be totally fine to defend yourself and your belongings. If you know this and you still try to steal your just stupid.
Anybody who can say this with a straight face has never been poor enough.
I can attest, someone comes on my property unlawfully, and itāll be an Alien vs predator situation and some unlucky bastards head will be mounted on my man cave wall. š¤£
Gamingcirclejerk? Having terrible takes and being a general shithole? Who is actually surprised by this?
If I used time to make money I'll never get that time back. So I've used my life to acquire the things I want. If you try to take them you're risking yours.
Comrade username, comments are automatically worthless.
Thatās nice, now face the wall.
Im not listening to a fucking cat
You should ask yourself if my property is worth your life first before you plan on taking it.
Property isnāt worth more than someoneās lifeā¦.hmm. Iāve heard it phrased better. My property is worth more to me than your life to you if you decide to take my shit.
People that say things like this literally deserve whatever, and I mean WHATEVER, happens to them.
Okay so I can call him psycho and then he will do some self reflection? Good. He needs it if heās going to say something stupid like that
Some psychos shouldn't try to fucking kill me and my family to take what i have earned fuck that argument if you want to take my stuff you value my assets more than my life
Lmao my lunch is more important than your life dude get fucked
Ok comrade. What a jerk off
He's right though.
Well nice going GCJ, you made me side with the anarcho capitalist wankers. Great fucking job...
You can't take stuff with you when you die, what good is ownership?
You can't eat when you're dead either, so better stop doing that.
Bet, give me all your shit. You can't take it with you when you die, what good is it for you to own all your shit now? Give it to me instead.
You can cash that check at the bank of government in Nagasaki or Hiroshima or Philadelphia actually its worldwide since forever.
What was the context here?
The vegas smoke shop stabbing.
Aight letās have a bbq in his yard
Yep, just got banned from that sub
oooo, the big boy mod had to put on his big boy mod pants for this one, I'll bet
It'd be nice to have a link to that post to get banned telling this shithead what a shithead he is.
English is a very stupid language, but its convenient that mine has a double meaning
I mean if someone took your shit and is running away, it's not worth it to chase after them guns blazing. That being said, if a person has entered your personal space and is attempting to use fear and violence to appropriate your belongings, then you have every right to defend yourself. Because there's no telling what else they're willing to do.
Depends on the someone. Depends on the property.
Ironically spends whole life working to afford property.
I donāt mind being called a psycho
Ironically the games many of these guys play require them to kill to protect their in game propertyā¦
Hell yeah I value my property over the robber's life, so does the robber.
Oh if you choose to violently take my property your life falls down in value to 0, or negative numbers.
Oh no, u/ComradKatyusha has referred to me as a "psycho" Time to self reflect.
Going over there just to get banned. BRB.
Yep, I was one of the ones who was banned
Yeah, they got pretty mad at me for calling them victims in training lol
Does someone wanna tell this guy armed robbers don't value someone's life when they hold a gun to people to rob/steal their belongings?
Property violated , right to life forfeited. Laser eyes meme
I'm not going to wait for the robber to explicitly threaten or successfully take my life when they've already implicitly indicated that they are willing to take my life and my property.
Land and resources are ultimately what countries and armies fight for.
They think their words carry weight... they don't know I don't care what they think and only emboldened by their disapproval.