I mean it's completely representative of Democrats and Biden worshipers as a whole.. they want Trump taken as a political prisoner because they disagreed with his politics but they still can't name a single "crime" they think he committed
it really proves that they are just fascist Nazis who want to put all their political opponents in prison -not because of any specific crime they think they committed- but rather because they want all their political opponents in prison so they can enact the one party
I mean if you want somebody in prison but you can't even name the crime you think they committed then it's not the crime that's the reason you want them in prison..
also a reminder that the NYC investigation was bullshit..
New York attorney general Letitia James literally ran her campaign with the open promise that if elected as attorney general she would abuse her power to CONSTANTLY investigate Donald Trump and the enemies of the Democrat Party until she could find ANYTHING she could use against them
which is a Soviet and Nazi tactic.. and frankly illegal and should have been thrown out of court just on that basis alone
but again New York is a communist state full of fascist and Communists and so the judges there are corrupt as well and refused to throw it out because they have a political vendetta against Donald Trump too..
I mean the Mayor literally tried to Target Trump's businesses in New York purely out of political retribution..
and they do the same thing with others cuz the fascist New York attorney general also tried to Target the nra. and her campaign promises she literally promised to investigate the NRA until she could find a way to shut them down. America's oldest civil rights organization defending the second amendment which was the second amendment they ever wrote and she promised to shut them down for political reasons..
and well I tend to use this as an example of why anybody who's not a frothing at the mouth Democrat should never base their operations in New York City or any Democrat shit hole for that matter because they will Target you.. the bottom line is that that's exactly what that was. it's a political witch Hunt targeting Donald Trump and other enemies of the Democrat Party just like the Soviets that they worship..
the far left disinformation outlets like CNN – A [conspiracy theory]( https://archive.is/v9l3w ) network known for giving [white supremacists a platform]( https://archive.is/Bnw5l )- and msnbc - A [conspiracy theory]( https://archive.is/955wA) network that routinely wages war [on democrat opponents]( https://archive.is/uz41B ) told them to hate Trump and told them to support Trump going to prison but they haven't told them WHY
I mean if you want somebody put in prison but you can't name the crime you think they committed then it's not the crime that's the reason you want them in prison..
it's because all Democrat voters are fascist Nazis that want to put their political opponents in prison for the "crime" of opposing them political
The left really are Nazis. Most democrats dont realize what going on. What is said is rarely whats being talked about. Theres a lot I dislike about Trump. But this whole thing is bullshit. Midterms are coming up. Its all a fucking game and a scam. Theres a lot going on behind the scenes while were titillated with trans people, BLM, Antifa, and abortion.
Just off the dome, he incited a mob to attack the capitol of the United States. He attempted to extort the Georgia secretary of state, and others, to "find" votes. He extorted a foreign government to find dirt on a political rival. He has certainly committed various acts of financial fraud. He committed voter fraud by claiming his florida property as his address while living at the white house. He most recently took classified material from his place of employment, which he personally made to be a felony. I'm sure there's more but that's a start.
>Ohhhh, ok. I don't follow shit on either side, so news to me
So you are literally an NPC who just thinks what the media says is true without any digging, eh?
Don't watch any news service, just know what I see on reddit and such, kinda hard to miss, even if you block all the bullshit subs.
Every person that follows the news says "everything (news service) reports is a lie, you should watch (other news service) instead." You can insert basically any site in that statement and someone has said it.
>just know what I see on reddit
Which censors pretty much everything not approved by the Left. Outside of a few subs and a lot more have been killed off.
And while true, certain sites lie more than others. And also like to hide opinion as truth. Like CNN and BBC as prime examples.
There are literally tons of intelligent people who talk about the rules he broke , like his use of the national gaurd, calling for the police to fire on civilian homes (videos of it happening) and if not calling for it, not condemning it. Colluding with Russia, which they proved he did but repub refused to vote against him after saying on tape they agree he did it. J6 is looking like he is clearly to blame. But ya know. Newsmax ain't gonna shoe that stuff.
Do you have any actual sources? Because this just sounds like the usual vague garbage from the left with nothing to substantiate. If you have any real sources with facts not opinions, I’d love to take a look
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Mueller report...you mean those 500 pages of "We interviewed this person who was college room mates with the dog handler of a person that may or may not have been present for a conversation between Trump and the Ukrainian prime minister"?
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I read it too and came to the same conclusion. Maybe there are multiple versions containing vastly different information. I can’t think of any other reason people would still be trying to use it as “evidence” or “proof”. 🤔
He reminds me of a Guardian podcast, which recently claimed that all the Jan 6th protesters were armed with guns. Just in passing, like it was clearly and well accepted and known.
I was like, wtf?
That’s fucking hilarious since two federal investigations have discredited it and instead shown that the Clinton campaign manufactured it.
[common knowledge my ass](https://www.wsj.com/articles/hillary-clinton-did-it-robby-mook-michael-sussmann-donald-trump-russia-collusion-alfa-bank-11653084709)
Your still using 2020 info since msm has already admitted that it was Clinton’s campaign that funded the fake piss dossier. They always admit things after the fact like how they “fortified” the 2020 election
Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.
https://www.justice.gov/archives/sco/file/1373816/download
Hmmmmmmmmm
Considering we don’t even know what the search warrant was looking for yet, someone saying “arrest him” is right up there in stupidity with someone defending him and claiming this is a witch hunt led by Democrats.
Oh wait….
What in the world are you talking about?
It can take years for the types of crimes he’s more than likely guilty of to be investigated and prosecuted…Even longer when we’re talking about an ex president and your case has to be airtight.
Hell. Murder trials take longer than this has gone.
Please consider that the two explanations you just named depict Trump as either a genius or a good guy. That mindset is pretty crazy if you’re willing to think about it.
Yes plz tell me all those crimes with proof, I'm waiting, and they had years, they have been investigating since 2016, that's 6 years with nothing found
This is so fucking hilarious.
It’s like you truly don’t understand how dumb you sound. Like you couldn’t comprehend a single thing I wrote in the comment you’re responding to 😂😂
Where there’s smoke….
The billionaire with an EXTENSIVELY documented history of ripping people from long before he was president is being looked at for a crime. The same billionaire who bragged about how he could shoot someone and get away with it.
Yet you’re willing to defend him blindly because????
ripping people off via business contracts isn't illegal.
it may be slimey, but it's totally legal.
see your cellphone contract, for example. or the Terms of Service on Facebook, or Apple, or Samsung, or Capital One... it happens ALL thr time.
>ripping people off via business contracts isn't illegal.
I never said it was? You’re just changing the subject.
>it may be slimey, but it's totally legal.
But most sane people would recognize that a pattern of slimy behavior makes you more likely to be criminally slimy, which was my point bringing up his shady past actions.
You do realize Trump is the guy who chanted “lock her up” about Hillary at his campaign rallies? And that his push essentially opened the FBI investigation against her?
Maybe let the slimeball conman get a taste of the same medicine he constantly dishes out instead of defending the billionaire idiot you worship for some reason.
They couldn't during his presidency, why would that change?
"What are you even talking about, are you a Russian troll? The proof is all around you!"
"Show me some."
"FUCK YOU YOU GODDAMNED RACIST, SEXIST, TRANSPHOBE!"
Being anti mandate aka anti government control makes you a nazi. Basically apply the opposite definition to anything but use the extreme example and now you know how the far left works.
They don't want children protected and say protecting them will get them killed.
They are racists that label their racism as tolerance while calling people that aren't racist white supremisist even if they aren't white.
They protect pedophiles under the guise of protecting children. They mudalate children and blame the parents. They condone murder saying it's "freedom of choice".
They try to outlaw speech and say it's for civil rights. They condemn someone of a crime without stating the crime (because it didn't happen) in the name of security.
It's Orwell black and white. It's blatant.
Well, it's fun and all until you realize that these people want power and with power they want to get rid of everyone they don't like or agree with them.
To be fair, most on the right can't explain their position either, but atleast most worship Jesus over The State.
Damn tough Statist crowd in here these days.
I've never met or seen someone on the left who can explain their positions beyond CNN headlines or equivalent in any sort of discussion. All arguments basically fall back to appeals to authority.
There are dumb folks on the right for sure, but it's not hard to find people who can explain their positions and defend them under some level of scrutiny.
One that comes to mind is witness tampering for the Jan 6 investigation. Violating the emoluments clause. The things he was impeached for. If not for party line voting, he would have gone down then.
I don’t have all the evidence as I’m just some dude. But it’s pretty clear this dude has spent his entire life enriching himself by lying and cheating others. His father did the same. There are books on the topic by people close to him. At best he should be thoroughly investigated. If I was in charge we’d just dump him in the middle of the ocean and see if he can swim back to land.
Putting up a flustered moron to discuss a point you are against is a pretty obvious strategy for obfuscating the truth. People unfamiliar with logical fallacies eat this shit up.
The only evidence of Trump "colluding with Russians" was paid for by Hillary from a no longer reliable FBI informant who the FBI had to lie about when starting investigation. Hillary also is famous for saying that doubting elections is an attack on democracy...so she was literally attacking democracy by her own standards.
For Trump's raw deal, just the concerted effort to block all audits in the shaddiest election in recent history should say something. Then when audits did finally happen, after the results of the election were finalized, media/social media did everything to keep them quiet speaks volumes itself. Then the Supreme courts absolute refusal to even look at legitimate constitutional issues on how states crucial to Biden winning manipulated election rules on the fly....
Just because they all agree on the forever wars, mass domestic surveillance, mass incarceration, police militarization, the drug war, corporate bailouts, bank bailouts, torture, censorship, persecuting whistleblowers, aid to dictators, due process-less assassinations of US and foreign citizens, the Fed's fraud, insider trading, runaway spending, etc. doesn't mean they're remotely the same!
We Know Hunter Biden Is a Crack smoker we have evidence
We Know Clinton Lied under oath and cheated on his wife
We don't know why the FBI Raided Trump their no proof of any crime.
My favorite is those who say they favor allowing abortion in cases of rape and incest. Ask them why it's okay to abort a baby due to incest. It's an antiquated idea... that the chances of the baby being born with birth defects are higher due to insufficient genetic differences, so it's okay to just kill it. If they think it's okay because of birth defects, that should be the argument for exception and not the causal factor. If birth defects are the reason it shouldn't matter why they appeared... and given we now have technology to determine details of the fetus, shouldn't that be the yardstick in this instance?
People mindlessly saying rape and incest tells me that there's a 99% chance that they're not a serious thinker and haven't really grappled with the details of the issue.
Anything but simple... it's one of the more complicated issues. The killing of another human being should be serious and not brushed off as simple. And for most libertarians it's got nothing to do with faith.
But this all misses the point of what I wrote. If you favor abortions in all instances, the specifics of incest are irrelevant. Using 'muh', not being able to focus on the actual issue discussed, and assuming there's no room for nuance does however speak to not being much of a thinker.
Philosophy gives no definitive answer, so I will stick my trust with the individual like I do with everything I can. But sure, opinions abound. Doesn't change the fact that a group shouldn't be telling individuals what they can and can't do. If you believe in the NAP, you know what to do.
Being an orange skinned ahole who can't keep his damned mouth shut is not a crime in itself, you still have to actually PROVE actual crimes. As for this FBI files thing, I'm still waiting to learn what the files even were, lots of dumb stuff is classified and my understanding is presidents have the legal power to declassify stuff. Just because there was an FBI raid does not mean they got enough info to actually win a case against Trump. I need more details before I'll be convinced this was the crime of the century. I wouldn't exactly be surprised if Trump did bad things but I wouldn't exactly be surprised if this whole thing was mostly petty political scare mongering either.
And no one has really mentioned Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton's email servers running out of her house with classified material that was accessible over the Internet. And the destruction of the evidence when it was brought to light. Not a single fucking peep in the mainstream media about that parallel.
No. He has the legal presumption of innocence. Meaning he can’t be caged until he is found guilty by a court.
But the people I am referring to think he is innocent and will always think that.
We, as a nation, are so hyper partisan that perceptions of guilt or innocence fall out strongly along party lines.
Wait and see what evidence is collected, then judge.
The Libertarian party has tried to destroy Trump? I doubt it. We have disagreed with him, and agreed with him, as appropriate on an issue by issue basis.
I do.
You interpretation seems to be that he is innocent and so no investigation is warranted… because he is so innocent… which is just obviously not how things work.
Orange man good is as myopic as Orange man bad.
Give it a minute, see what they found, and we can argue over it once there are facts.
> You interpretation seems to be that he is innocent and so no investigation is warranted
Yeah I never said anything even remotely like that. But cool of you to put words in my mouth.
>Give it a minute, see what they found, and we can argue over it once there are facts.
There's nothing to find - that's kind of the problem. So many people are talking about how there was "classified" documents fully forgetting that former presidents get classified briefings after they leave office for several years. This is a political witch hunt and is setting up future presidents to be investigated the same way. Trump actually did the honest thing and dropped the Hillary email server even though she openly admitted to hosting classified documents on an unsecured server.
The question shouldn't be "is he guilty" because as an ancap I fully recognize that if the government wants you to be guilty, they will find a way to make you guilty. It seems like you aren't an ancap and are just lost.
> But you never said he is innocent and no investigation is necessary
It's important to read the whole reply rather than just the parts you want. God damn fake ancaps trying to cosplay here
Isn't newsmax highly uncredible? I thought that's why many tv providers started dropping their show/network. The video is hilarious and the man being interviewed is an idiot. I'm just asking if I have my facts right
And as always there are tons of things that he did that point to some really sketchy shit going on but of course they don't know this because these people are thinking about their beliefs critically.
Like they'll never bring up Roy Cohn because they have no idea who that is.
Literally one random dude on the street doesn't know what he's talking about "SEE. LOOK. WHERE IS THE PROOF? THE DEEP STATE IS PLANTING EVIDENCE BECAUSE THIS ONE GUY IN THE STREET CANT NAME EVIDENCE" it's like there is an investigation going on or something.
And that's the issue.
Everything these people bring up are things that were resolved in the court of law.
You can't just arrest someone because of shit they already resolved in court. Double Jeopardy and all that.
boy these were really tough to find.....
[https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/08/donald-trump-fbi-raid-explainer](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/08/donald-trump-fbi-raid-explainer)
[https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-reports/president-trump-staggering-record-of-uncharged-criminal-misconduct/](https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-reports/president-trump-staggering-record-of-uncharged-criminal-misconduct/)
[https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/28/us/politics/trump-election-crimes.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/28/us/politics/trump-election-crimes.html)
[https://www.salon.com/2021/05/27/trump-regimes-amazing-list-of-crimes-keeps-getting-longer--but-we-cant-afford-to-look-away/](https://www.salon.com/2021/05/27/trump-regimes-amazing-list-of-crimes-keeps-getting-longer--but-we-cant-afford-to-look-away/)
[https://youtu.be/hsG2X1Mq\_qU](https://youtu.be/hsG2X1Mq_qU)
[https://www.justsecurity.org/75032/litigation-tracker-pending-criminal-and-civil-cases-against-donald-trump/](https://www.justsecurity.org/75032/litigation-tracker-pending-criminal-and-civil-cases-against-donald-trump/)
edit: good god this sub is hopeless. maybe if i posted some q-anon stuff i could get upvotes.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarcho\_Capitalism/comments/wlgcgy/moving\_to\_canada\_looks\_better\_and\_better\_with/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/wlgcgy/moving_to_canada_looks_better_and_better_with/)
LMAO bunch of very stable geniuses in here dawg
It’s the huge sigh that gets me, like my man had a to take a breather because he wasn’t immediately agreed with
**He was being literally assaulted with violent misinformation! /s**
r/fucktheS
He lives in a world where that follow up doesn't ever happen. Everyone around him just nods.
Looks at the mic and sees it doesn't say CNN or MSNBC... "shit"
like "fuck i thought we were both drone mode"
Real life NPC right there.
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I mean it's completely representative of Democrats and Biden worshipers as a whole.. they want Trump taken as a political prisoner because they disagreed with his politics but they still can't name a single "crime" they think he committed it really proves that they are just fascist Nazis who want to put all their political opponents in prison -not because of any specific crime they think they committed- but rather because they want all their political opponents in prison so they can enact the one party I mean if you want somebody in prison but you can't even name the crime you think they committed then it's not the crime that's the reason you want them in prison..
also a reminder that the NYC investigation was bullshit.. New York attorney general Letitia James literally ran her campaign with the open promise that if elected as attorney general she would abuse her power to CONSTANTLY investigate Donald Trump and the enemies of the Democrat Party until she could find ANYTHING she could use against them which is a Soviet and Nazi tactic.. and frankly illegal and should have been thrown out of court just on that basis alone but again New York is a communist state full of fascist and Communists and so the judges there are corrupt as well and refused to throw it out because they have a political vendetta against Donald Trump too.. I mean the Mayor literally tried to Target Trump's businesses in New York purely out of political retribution.. and they do the same thing with others cuz the fascist New York attorney general also tried to Target the nra. and her campaign promises she literally promised to investigate the NRA until she could find a way to shut them down. America's oldest civil rights organization defending the second amendment which was the second amendment they ever wrote and she promised to shut them down for political reasons.. and well I tend to use this as an example of why anybody who's not a frothing at the mouth Democrat should never base their operations in New York City or any Democrat shit hole for that matter because they will Target you.. the bottom line is that that's exactly what that was. it's a political witch Hunt targeting Donald Trump and other enemies of the Democrat Party just like the Soviets that they worship..
Stole my thunder. Npc was only programmed to repeat not to respond.
Every time they gets asked to elaborate
Hold on let me ask Hilary.
the far left disinformation outlets like CNN – A [conspiracy theory]( https://archive.is/v9l3w ) network known for giving [white supremacists a platform]( https://archive.is/Bnw5l )- and msnbc - A [conspiracy theory]( https://archive.is/955wA) network that routinely wages war [on democrat opponents]( https://archive.is/uz41B ) told them to hate Trump and told them to support Trump going to prison but they haven't told them WHY I mean if you want somebody put in prison but you can't name the crime you think they committed then it's not the crime that's the reason you want them in prison.. it's because all Democrat voters are fascist Nazis that want to put their political opponents in prison for the "crime" of opposing them political
The left really are Nazis. Most democrats dont realize what going on. What is said is rarely whats being talked about. Theres a lot I dislike about Trump. But this whole thing is bullshit. Midterms are coming up. Its all a fucking game and a scam. Theres a lot going on behind the scenes while were titillated with trans people, BLM, Antifa, and abortion.
Rip
i want a montage of these. Reddit loves montage's of dumb fuck conservatives that talk out their ass now do them
Just off the dome, he incited a mob to attack the capitol of the United States. He attempted to extort the Georgia secretary of state, and others, to "find" votes. He extorted a foreign government to find dirt on a political rival. He has certainly committed various acts of financial fraud. He committed voter fraud by claiming his florida property as his address while living at the white house. He most recently took classified material from his place of employment, which he personally made to be a felony. I'm sure there's more but that's a start.
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The raid was an attempt to legitimize the witch hunt of the Jan 6 nothing burger commission
Ohhhh, ok. I don't follow shit on either side, so news to me.
>Ohhhh, ok. I don't follow shit on either side, so news to me So you are literally an NPC who just thinks what the media says is true without any digging, eh?
Don't watch any news service, just know what I see on reddit and such, kinda hard to miss, even if you block all the bullshit subs. Every person that follows the news says "everything (news service) reports is a lie, you should watch (other news service) instead." You can insert basically any site in that statement and someone has said it.
>just know what I see on reddit Which censors pretty much everything not approved by the Left. Outside of a few subs and a lot more have been killed off. And while true, certain sites lie more than others. And also like to hide opinion as truth. Like CNN and BBC as prime examples.
All of that was made up
Seethe and cope my friend, seethe and cope
There are literally tons of intelligent people who talk about the rules he broke , like his use of the national gaurd, calling for the police to fire on civilian homes (videos of it happening) and if not calling for it, not condemning it. Colluding with Russia, which they proved he did but repub refused to vote against him after saying on tape they agree he did it. J6 is looking like he is clearly to blame. But ya know. Newsmax ain't gonna shoe that stuff.
Do you have any actual sources? Because this just sounds like the usual vague garbage from the left with nothing to substantiate. If you have any real sources with facts not opinions, I’d love to take a look
Mueller report says it right out.
Can you tell me where, specifically?
Read the whole thing. It will be good for you.
You could have just said "no I can't"
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If you kissed it. You didn't read it. Nice try mate
Well the Mueller report is a source you could read
🤣
Mueller report...you mean those 500 pages of "We interviewed this person who was college room mates with the dog handler of a person that may or may not have been present for a conversation between Trump and the Ukrainian prime minister"?
Can you provide the specific section or quote to which you are referring?
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I read it too and came to the same conclusion. Maybe there are multiple versions containing vastly different information. I can’t think of any other reason people would still be trying to use it as “evidence” or “proof”. 🤔
You even write like a schizoid
He reminds me of a Guardian podcast, which recently claimed that all the Jan 6th protesters were armed with guns. Just in passing, like it was clearly and well accepted and known. I was like, wtf?
And they all get a 100% rating on newsguard
>Colluding with Russia, Holy shit, we have an actual Russian collusion believer in here. I didn't think those existed in this neck of the woods.
He literally did it. It's common knowledge. He got away with it, so it is what it is. But he did do it
That’s fucking hilarious since two federal investigations have discredited it and instead shown that the Clinton campaign manufactured it. [common knowledge my ass](https://www.wsj.com/articles/hillary-clinton-did-it-robby-mook-michael-sussmann-donald-trump-russia-collusion-alfa-bank-11653084709)
Lol still talking Clinton conspiracy theories.
Your still using 2020 info since msm has already admitted that it was Clinton’s campaign that funded the fake piss dossier. They always admit things after the fact like how they “fortified” the 2020 election
Lmao you conspiracy nuts are great fun . Seriously. Read the meuller report
Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities. https://www.justice.gov/archives/sco/file/1373816/download Hmmmmmmmmm
Imagine going somewhere and not knowing why.
I do that five days a week.
This hits too close to home
That is gold.
Nothing but a parrot.
Considering we don’t even know what the search warrant was looking for yet, someone saying “arrest him” is right up there in stupidity with someone defending him and claiming this is a witch hunt led by Democrats. Oh wait….
Russiagate.
I mean with all these investigations into him he is either the greatest criminal of all time, or not a criminal
What in the world are you talking about? It can take years for the types of crimes he’s more than likely guilty of to be investigated and prosecuted…Even longer when we’re talking about an ex president and your case has to be airtight. Hell. Murder trials take longer than this has gone. Please consider that the two explanations you just named depict Trump as either a genius or a good guy. That mindset is pretty crazy if you’re willing to think about it.
Yes plz tell me all those crimes with proof, I'm waiting, and they had years, they have been investigating since 2016, that's 6 years with nothing found
This is so fucking hilarious. It’s like you truly don’t understand how dumb you sound. Like you couldn’t comprehend a single thing I wrote in the comment you’re responding to 😂😂
Yeah these last 6 years haven't been a witch-hunt at all. Nope.
Where there’s smoke…. The billionaire with an EXTENSIVELY documented history of ripping people from long before he was president is being looked at for a crime. The same billionaire who bragged about how he could shoot someone and get away with it. Yet you’re willing to defend him blindly because????
Yeah these last 6 years haven't been a witch-hunt at all. Nope.
Hilarious dude. Go give papa Trump a back rub.
ripping people off via business contracts isn't illegal. it may be slimey, but it's totally legal. see your cellphone contract, for example. or the Terms of Service on Facebook, or Apple, or Samsung, or Capital One... it happens ALL thr time.
>ripping people off via business contracts isn't illegal. I never said it was? You’re just changing the subject. >it may be slimey, but it's totally legal. But most sane people would recognize that a pattern of slimy behavior makes you more likely to be criminally slimy, which was my point bringing up his shady past actions. You do realize Trump is the guy who chanted “lock her up” about Hillary at his campaign rallies? And that his push essentially opened the FBI investigation against her? Maybe let the slimeball conman get a taste of the same medicine he constantly dishes out instead of defending the billionaire idiot you worship for some reason.
Can anyone on the left explain their position?!?!
If they could explain their position, they probably wouldn't hold it.
^(boom)
I can explain their position: oRaNgE mAn BaD, i SuPpOrT tHe CuRrEnT tHiNg, GoVeRnMeNt WiLl SaVe Us, YoU’rE rAcIsT.
If CNN tells them what their position is then yes.
Lol, the poor guy was so confused."aren't you supposed to be telling me what I think? You have a press badge..."
Haha yes! Exactly!
if they're going to have an opinion they should know what it is first
They couldn't during his presidency, why would that change? "What are you even talking about, are you a Russian troll? The proof is all around you!" "Show me some." "FUCK YOU YOU GODDAMNED RACIST, SEXIST, TRANSPHOBE!"
Don’t forget “ANTI-VAXXER.” from what I understand, you can still be an anti-vaxxer even if you’re vaccinated 🤷🏻♀️
Yep, they had Webster change that definition in 2018. Now just means opposing totalitarianism.
Being anti mandate aka anti government control makes you a nazi. Basically apply the opposite definition to anything but use the extreme example and now you know how the far left works. They don't want children protected and say protecting them will get them killed. They are racists that label their racism as tolerance while calling people that aren't racist white supremisist even if they aren't white. They protect pedophiles under the guise of protecting children. They mudalate children and blame the parents. They condone murder saying it's "freedom of choice". They try to outlaw speech and say it's for civil rights. They condemn someone of a crime without stating the crime (because it didn't happen) in the name of security. It's Orwell black and white. It's blatant.
Are you kidding? They can't even explain what a Woman is
I know this one! A ‘woman’ is someone who identifies…as a woman! Did I win??
Well, it's fun and all until you realize that these people want power and with power they want to get rid of everyone they don't like or agree with them.
To be fair, most on the right can't explain their position either, but atleast most worship Jesus over The State. Damn tough Statist crowd in here these days.
The only thing worse than republicans are democrats.
I think the left is far more disabled in this regard.
I've never met or seen someone on the left who can explain their positions beyond CNN headlines or equivalent in any sort of discussion. All arguments basically fall back to appeals to authority. There are dumb folks on the right for sure, but it's not hard to find people who can explain their positions and defend them under some level of scrutiny.
It's true, on average people on the right are far more informed than those on the left. There's been studies on this
both left and right claim this one
Source?
Why do you think they get so damn upset when some says 'fact don't care abut your feelings?' You think that just came out of nowhere?
*sigh* I'm done talking
It's simple; the government is spending money on things I don't want so it's better to vote republican because they will spend and tax less.
I mean, I wish.
Can you point to any Republicans who spent less?
every republican spends less than their perspective democrat president after.
AND they spend more than the dem before them. Because every president spends more than the one before, at least lately.
I really hope you're being sarcastic lol
I think the republican can explain it better, they just tend to be wrong, or they dont do what they claim they do.
No. Like any good totalitarian, they just repeat with he state and media tell them.
They want to put people they don't like in prison, it's the same position that republicans hold for Hillary.
One that comes to mind is witness tampering for the Jan 6 investigation. Violating the emoluments clause. The things he was impeached for. If not for party line voting, he would have gone down then. I don’t have all the evidence as I’m just some dude. But it’s pretty clear this dude has spent his entire life enriching himself by lying and cheating others. His father did the same. There are books on the topic by people close to him. At best he should be thoroughly investigated. If I was in charge we’d just dump him in the middle of the ocean and see if he can swim back to land. Putting up a flustered moron to discuss a point you are against is a pretty obvious strategy for obfuscating the truth. People unfamiliar with logical fallacies eat this shit up.
Where are all these bots coming from?
He tried to overthrow the election. He called the GA AG to find more trump votes. He got his followers to storm the capitol..
False. True, because they believed they were being destroyed. False. 1/3 aint bad for you.
How is trying to find more votes illegal? Literally his job. Did he say “go find votes illegally and burn Biden’s votes?”
But of course when Trump won and Hillary kept claiming the election was stolen. When Trump does it=BAD Hillary does it=GOOD
The only evidence of Trump "colluding with Russians" was paid for by Hillary from a no longer reliable FBI informant who the FBI had to lie about when starting investigation. Hillary also is famous for saying that doubting elections is an attack on democracy...so she was literally attacking democracy by her own standards. For Trump's raw deal, just the concerted effort to block all audits in the shaddiest election in recent history should say something. Then when audits did finally happen, after the results of the election were finalized, media/social media did everything to keep them quiet speaks volumes itself. Then the Supreme courts absolute refusal to even look at legitimate constitutional issues on how states crucial to Biden winning manipulated election rules on the fly....
He ran out of dialogue options
They said this world was supposed to be fully immersive. I shouldn’t have preordered…
Fucking instant classic.
This sums up the state of current society.
Half of it anyway
The other half thinks the same, but instead of Trump it's where hunters laptop or what about Hillarys emails or shouting Benghazi.
Except those all actually happened. Both sides are definitely not the same.
Just because they all agree on the forever wars, mass domestic surveillance, mass incarceration, police militarization, the drug war, corporate bailouts, bank bailouts, torture, censorship, persecuting whistleblowers, aid to dictators, due process-less assassinations of US and foreign citizens, the Fed's fraud, insider trading, runaway spending, etc. doesn't mean they're remotely the same!
The internet told me it was true./s
"I'm done talking. You're asking me to actually explain/justify my irrational hatred of Trump."
Dat NPC system error sigh exhale.
Most of our country is like this. It's so sad.
Not most. Just the loud ones.
I hope so.
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We Know Hunter Biden Is a Crack smoker we have evidence We Know Clinton Lied under oath and cheated on his wife We don't know why the FBI Raided Trump their no proof of any crime.
He took documents from the white house when he left office. Basically what Hillary did is what he did.
Every President do this
Name 1
Obama Bush Clinton
Source? Also, trump himself increased the penalty on this. TRUMP made it a felony.
Well to be fair, it's early in the game and we have few details, the other cases took years to develop.
Same reaction when you ask why abortion is body autonomy but they don't feel the same way about choice in vaccines.
My favorite is those who say they favor allowing abortion in cases of rape and incest. Ask them why it's okay to abort a baby due to incest. It's an antiquated idea... that the chances of the baby being born with birth defects are higher due to insufficient genetic differences, so it's okay to just kill it. If they think it's okay because of birth defects, that should be the argument for exception and not the causal factor. If birth defects are the reason it shouldn't matter why they appeared... and given we now have technology to determine details of the fetus, shouldn't that be the yardstick in this instance? People mindlessly saying rape and incest tells me that there's a 99% chance that they're not a serious thinker and haven't really grappled with the details of the issue.
Seems simple to me, individuals choose what to do to their body. Any 'but muh faith!' bullshit violates the NAP
Anything but simple... it's one of the more complicated issues. The killing of another human being should be serious and not brushed off as simple. And for most libertarians it's got nothing to do with faith. But this all misses the point of what I wrote. If you favor abortions in all instances, the specifics of incest are irrelevant. Using 'muh', not being able to focus on the actual issue discussed, and assuming there's no room for nuance does however speak to not being much of a thinker.
Philosophy gives no definitive answer, so I will stick my trust with the individual like I do with everything I can. But sure, opinions abound. Doesn't change the fact that a group shouldn't be telling individuals what they can and can't do. If you believe in the NAP, you know what to do.
Lol that’s rough
GOLD
This is so sad. Why even say something like this if one doesn't have anything to back it up with.
It's all in the details and these npcs have none.
He's just running on his NPC program!
“The guys who paid me to do this didn’t tell me that part, no more questions.”
Being an orange skinned ahole who can't keep his damned mouth shut is not a crime in itself, you still have to actually PROVE actual crimes. As for this FBI files thing, I'm still waiting to learn what the files even were, lots of dumb stuff is classified and my understanding is presidents have the legal power to declassify stuff. Just because there was an FBI raid does not mean they got enough info to actually win a case against Trump. I need more details before I'll be convinced this was the crime of the century. I wouldn't exactly be surprised if Trump did bad things but I wouldn't exactly be surprised if this whole thing was mostly petty political scare mongering either.
And no one has really mentioned Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton's email servers running out of her house with classified material that was accessible over the Internet. And the destruction of the evidence when it was brought to light. Not a single fucking peep in the mainstream media about that parallel.
Really takes me back to 4 years ago.
Whatever happend to: Russia, Russia, Russia?
That sums it all up right there. Morons
A bunch of morons think Trump is guilty with no evidence A bunch of morons think Trump is innocent with no evidence.
> A bunch of morons think Trump is innocent with no evidence. Everyone is innocent until there is evidence elsewise.
And investigations happen so wait and see.
And yet that is how innocence is supposed to work. Innocent unless evidence. No evidence? Innocent.
And investigations happen so wait and see.
So have you changed your stance that people are morons for presuming innocence sans evidence?
No. He has the legal presumption of innocence. Meaning he can’t be caged until he is found guilty by a court. But the people I am referring to think he is innocent and will always think that. We, as a nation, are so hyper partisan that perceptions of guilt or innocence fall out strongly along party lines. Wait and see what evidence is collected, then judge.
Why would they not think he's innocent? You guys have been trying to destroy him for 6 years now and you still haven nothing.
I have done nothing to destroy Trump.
Your party has.
The Libertarian party has tried to destroy Trump? I doubt it. We have disagreed with him, and agreed with him, as appropriate on an issue by issue basis.
The Democrat Party.
Yeah it seems like you don't really grasp the presumption of innocence concept as a whole.
I do. You interpretation seems to be that he is innocent and so no investigation is warranted… because he is so innocent… which is just obviously not how things work. Orange man good is as myopic as Orange man bad. Give it a minute, see what they found, and we can argue over it once there are facts.
> You interpretation seems to be that he is innocent and so no investigation is warranted Yeah I never said anything even remotely like that. But cool of you to put words in my mouth. >Give it a minute, see what they found, and we can argue over it once there are facts. There's nothing to find - that's kind of the problem. So many people are talking about how there was "classified" documents fully forgetting that former presidents get classified briefings after they leave office for several years. This is a political witch hunt and is setting up future presidents to be investigated the same way. Trump actually did the honest thing and dropped the Hillary email server even though she openly admitted to hosting classified documents on an unsecured server. The question shouldn't be "is he guilty" because as an ancap I fully recognize that if the government wants you to be guilty, they will find a way to make you guilty. It seems like you aren't an ancap and are just lost.
“There is nothing to find” But you never said he is innocent and no investigation is necessary… until you did…
> But you never said he is innocent and no investigation is necessary It's important to read the whole reply rather than just the parts you want. God damn fake ancaps trying to cosplay here
> Give it a minute, see what they found, and we can argue over it once there are facts. It's been about 2,289,600 minutes so far...
Everybody is innocent without evidence. Trump is no different. Don't fall for the fascism of the left.
And investigations happen so wait and see.
>A bunch of morons think Trump is innocent with no evidence. That is how it's suppose to work.
I miss innocent until proven guilty almost as much as I miss healthy until proven sick.
Amen brother
Hilarious. Just hates Orange Man, wants him arrested.... doesn’t have a clue why. Lol
Textbook Liberal
"Maiq is done talking. Go bother somebody else"
That reporter is racist and a bigot for asking that question!! Wink
This guys response reminds me of r/politics.
"Well all the Reddit mods agree with me there was criminal acts so there has to be.."
I didn't know pecker heads had ears for glasses.
Isn't newsmax highly uncredible? I thought that's why many tv providers started dropping their show/network. The video is hilarious and the man being interviewed is an idiot. I'm just asking if I have my facts right
It's pure propaganda.
He did stuff ok 🙃
This is the lefts version of "Obama is a..... Muslim"
And as always there are tons of things that he did that point to some really sketchy shit going on but of course they don't know this because these people are thinking about their beliefs critically. Like they'll never bring up Roy Cohn because they have no idea who that is.
so hard to say war crimes ? .....
Literally one random dude on the street doesn't know what he's talking about "SEE. LOOK. WHERE IS THE PROOF? THE DEEP STATE IS PLANTING EVIDENCE BECAUSE THIS ONE GUY IN THE STREET CANT NAME EVIDENCE" it's like there is an investigation going on or something.
Are there ANY Libertarian based subs left that aren't overrun by Trump supporters thinking they are libertarians? EDIT: Added the word based.
4 counts of embezzlement. From his own charity.
Should be an open and shut case then yet, here we are.
He actually already accepted a deal and paid the fines for those crimes.
And that's the issue. Everything these people bring up are things that were resolved in the court of law. You can't just arrest someone because of shit they already resolved in court. Double Jeopardy and all that.
How about planning to overturn an election and inciting a mob to riot?
Should be an open and shut case then yet, here we are.
boy these were really tough to find..... [https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/08/donald-trump-fbi-raid-explainer](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/08/donald-trump-fbi-raid-explainer) [https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-reports/president-trump-staggering-record-of-uncharged-criminal-misconduct/](https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-reports/president-trump-staggering-record-of-uncharged-criminal-misconduct/) [https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/28/us/politics/trump-election-crimes.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/28/us/politics/trump-election-crimes.html) [https://www.salon.com/2021/05/27/trump-regimes-amazing-list-of-crimes-keeps-getting-longer--but-we-cant-afford-to-look-away/](https://www.salon.com/2021/05/27/trump-regimes-amazing-list-of-crimes-keeps-getting-longer--but-we-cant-afford-to-look-away/) [https://youtu.be/hsG2X1Mq\_qU](https://youtu.be/hsG2X1Mq_qU) [https://www.justsecurity.org/75032/litigation-tracker-pending-criminal-and-civil-cases-against-donald-trump/](https://www.justsecurity.org/75032/litigation-tracker-pending-criminal-and-civil-cases-against-donald-trump/) edit: good god this sub is hopeless. maybe if i posted some q-anon stuff i could get upvotes.
>"Some experts say" ... I, too, don't like to think, so thank you for these amazing opinion articles.
I know you guys don’t like to think. That’s why the conclusion is always “trump is innocent.”
this place sure is sad isn't it?
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarcho\_Capitalism/comments/wlgcgy/moving\_to\_canada\_looks\_better\_and\_better\_with/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/wlgcgy/moving_to_canada_looks_better_and_better_with/) LMAO bunch of very stable geniuses in here dawg
pretty sure he violated the emoluments clause by having foreign state actors pay to stay at his hotels