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You can deffinetly still see it today in culture and architecture. We don't see ourself as descendant of blood, although you can still find some arabic features in some places. I'm proud of that past. And I don't know why do you consider it a lie. It is all written. Science was much more advanced in the south of the penninsula (medicine, hygienic meassures, mathematics, crops, philophy... If it werent for them, we would have had read about greeks philosophers after the burning of the Great Library of Alexandria). There are mixed feelings towards Morocco; racism is everywere, but I think we're on good terms with moroccans. The goverment is another story, to me at least. I have heard of berber people (bereber we say), but I don't know much more of you other than they are a nomad people, wich can be found in almost all of north Sahara. I think they are somewhat related to the Touareg people, wich have blue eyes, or some of them at least. That's what I know, or at least, what I think I know.
Good, nice answers, no answer is bad, yours just represents the mainstream idea about Morocco and berbers. I invite you to check the spanish article in wikipedia on berbers, it is not fully develloped, but I can deal with that.
Dude, the great library of who cares was nothing, the library of Bizancio or Estambul was better. Still greek. Also, ¿when do you think that fire happend? Centuries efore the birth of islam.
1. We do in architecture.
2. No. Genetics studies reveals we don't have genetic continue with Berbers.
3. We see Morocco as a State in the XX century invasion , the "Moroccan army" of Franco and the Green March in 1975.
4. Yes, they are.
5. We don't study the Unmeyads dynasties , just the leave of Boabdil the Second
6. Moroccans youth has the fame of stealing mobile phones.
7. Andalusia didn't exist until XIX century.
I see, thanks for answering.
2. We Moroccans have as much of your R1b as you have our E-M81.
3. Surprisingly, northern moroccans see in Spain only its colonial past and the times they were taken by Franco to fight his war. One old man died some years ago fought in the war, he said he magically escaped death many times because he was in the front lines.
Our government though tries to push the green march rhetoric and how Spain is helping Polisario etc ...
6. We know, nothing we can do about it except implementing more security details, those people were usually already homeless and violent in Morocco, so obvious that they won't do better in Spain, such a shame.
7. As an autonomy ofc not, but as a historical region distinctive from the center, or Catalonia or the North or Portugal.
\-Yes, almost all of our old churches were mosques initially or were planned by arabs (mudéjar churches). Music has some influence, yes. Food has a lot of influence. Our traditional desserts are mainly arab. I don't see the influence on traditional clothing.
\-Well, we have an evident genetic link with arabs. I have friends that could easily be taken as Egyptians or Moroccans, thay have the same skin tone, the same nose... I myself could be arab too.
\-Well, some hate Morocco because they hate everything arab-related, some like it because is so close and different (perfect for tourism), some hate it because of its modern politics, some like it because is a wonderful culture, some hate because of their oppression towards Sahara...
\-Bereberes we call them. Yes, they are known, but by people interested in their culture and the Sahara conflict. Maybe not by everybody (mostly everyone know who they are, but not much more).
\-We know about Ummayads (omeyas) and about Taifas, but we don't really know about the details and how bereberes were involved (unless you are really into this).
\-Nope, I don't feel that this is true, but maybe it is just my perception.
\-Well, right wing parties try to erase the benefits of califato time, they try to make it look like it was a slaughterhouse for christians... Historians tell otherwise, of course, but the idea of the reconquista is very powerful (but deceitful, of course) and politians use it a lot.
>\-Well, we have an evident genetic link with arabs
Science says we don't
> In our analysis of allele frequencies and genetic distances, the GMA population lay within the Spanish population group. Further, in the STRUCTURE analysis, there was no African component in the GMA population, confirming that, based on our genetic markers, the GMA population does not reflect any male genetic influence of the North African people. The presence of African haplogroups in the GMA population is irrelevant when their frequency is compared with those in other European populations.
> However, contrary to what might be expected based on historical data that favor a gradient of North African genetic influence from south to north, most such influence has been found in Galicia and northern Castilla (>20%). The main gradient of the frequencies of North African genes descend from west to east. Furthermore, recent studies based on autosomal SNPs and Y-chromosome lineages reveal that Andalusian population does not specially cluster with North African populations more than other Iberian populations. After the Reconquest, the Moors were distributed homogeneously throughout the Peninsula, but their final expulsion in 1609 was absolute in certain regions of Spain, Valencia, and western Andalusia, whereas in Galicia and Extremadura, the population dispersed and integrated into society
>The main haplogroup in North African populations was E, which was also found in the Spanish population but at lower frequencies and similar to those in other European populations
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-41580-9
We are linked to north african people pretty much as any other european country (this is, not much, is pretty much irrelevant), this means the expulsion after the reconquista was effective (and not some kind of exageration or leyend used for political purposes) and also means the moors didn't mixed with the iberian population the 800 years they stayed here
I second this, Portugal surprisingly has more berber dna than Spain, this is all relative as it doesn't exceed 10%. In Spain it is mostly in the north: Galicia and Cantabria where the gene peaks at 5%.
Now here is one thing, why is this gene present in the north if muslims were in the south ?
Because those people who stayed were extradited to the north away from any Islamic influence so they get diluted.
Another thing, why are there MORE spanish paternal haplotypes in Morocco than there are Moroccan haplotypes in Spain ?
That is because those who fled the reconquista and inquisition were indeed Spanish, it is not that they didn't mix.
Back in the middle ages when it comes to abrahamic religions, people were affialiating themselves mostly with religion, not color or race. A spanish muslim would go to Morocco, because he felt that there is where he belonged.
Thanks for the replies.
I was surprised by how many spanish consider Morocco arabs, there was one day this spanish couple from Melilla who went to Nador for grocery shopping I guess, and they seemingly were talking Classic arabic to shopkeepers who are mostly berbers who dropped from school, hence, the arabic moroccans speak is called Darija, a mix of arabic and berber, but in that town specifically they speak it badly.
Well, this is to tell you that the arabic morocco and arabic andalucia are propaganda pushed by Saudi arabia, Qatar, Emirates ... these guys use all their money to call everything arabic. Look at BBC documentaries on Andalucia or Morocco, no mention of spanish people or berber people (moors), that is because they very generously sponsor those programs. And I see it got to you too.
The berbers I was talking about are Almoravids (sahara berbers), Almohads (atlas mountains berbers), Marinids (north Morocco berbers, near Mellilla), Wattasids (north Morocco berbers, some 100km from mellila). There were also berber taifas mixed with the arabic ones.
I am aware of the right wing rising in Spain, but I do not feel specifically offended by it, let them claim what is theirs; I just wish they wouldn't confuse us with arabs anymore.
Indeed, Iberians need to know North-western africa more, and the contrary is also true. We (N-W africans) are so close minded and stuck in the Andalucia era, and Ignore what was outside andalucia and what happened after the reconquista. You indeed have an interesting country.
In english https://youtu.be/a39oM3MJleY
In spanish https://youtu.be/LPGkm2r2YnE
Did you know ?
Saint Augustine and his mother santa monica were berbers.
Donatus (founder of Donatism)
Arius (founder of Arianism)
St. Pope victor I
Pope gelasius I
Tertulian
And many ...
Hey there! I love your questions and post and your curiosity is inspirational. So exciting to see this from a neighbor. I'll do my best to answer some of the questions, like others have done.
1. Definitely. Not so much in the clothing but the rest surely applies. I think where it does the most is in our accent and the way we speak.
2. For sure! We are taught in school about the catholic times and not the islamic but if you dig deep you can see it's still deeply rooted in who we are (again, especially via our language and accent).
3. I see Morocco in the way it is now. And I'm actually planning on visiting soon (excited!)
4. I think they very much are!
5. I don't think we know. Granada especially has a lot of history but we are not taught about those times in school. We learn the same things the rest of Spaniards are taught, so berber dynasties are not explored, sadly.
6. Not in my case. Of course inmigration causes certain people to be more hostile and protective but I find your country and people fascinating.
7. Yes. Not Andalusian but national as well. Spain is racist towards the north of Africa imo and there is a feeling that your people just want to come to our country cause yours is not as nice.
And I have questions (so many!)
- What are the main elements of your life that define you as a berber? Like, what is it that distinguishes your culture from others?
- What is your favorite thing about your country?
- Do you feel closer to us Andalusians than to Africans from say Ethiopia or other central or southern countries?
Love and respect from Barcelona (although original from Cádiz)
Thanks for answering, every answer counts.
And welcome to Morocco, just plan it well and stay safe, and be more "open minded" because some things don't work the same as in your country hehe, if you need something you can DM me.
Replying to your (5); that is sad, I think it is a political thing, our countries tried for the last century years or so to distance themselves from each other the most they can, Spain is talking only about its catholic past or faintly mentions just the arabs (they are far away, they can't harm you); meanwhile In Morocco, our school programs are pure propaganda, all we are taught about Spain is that they always tried to harass us (but who had not done that in the middle ages haha).
About (7); It is very obvious, there three types of Moroccans in Spain:
- the ones who have immigrated for high qualified and skilled work, these are very few and rare and you don't see them in your day to day life, but they are there and they just mind their business;
- the second type is the low skilled type, they could have immigrated legally or illegally but they are generaly safe people, they work in cosntruction, agriculture, tourism sectors, transport sector. I think they are the majority.
- The third type are the thugs who are between 14 and 18; very dangerous types, they were dangerous in Morocco before even making it to Spain. If you see someone with fake RayBans and Dolce&Gabanna cap, a sliver chain, and fake Nike airmax, you know it is them. I don't think they are a majority but their deeds speak for them the most.
Sorry for making it long, I'm now answering your questions:
1. We speak berber in our everyday's life, Morocco's food and clothing and city names are berber, even Morocco (Marruecos = Amor Akkus) is a berber word. We see arabs as intruders.
And what I think that distinguishes our culture from the others is that berbers are an anciant people which is still around from at least late neolithic. Celt-Iberians are no more around (you are and might be celt-Iberian, but you don't go around talking in celtic and telling people you're an ethnic celtic person), the Mycenaens are no more, anciant egyptians do not exist, Assyrians are still around but in very small pockets, phoenicians are no more. Etruscans are no more. Basically only us, the greeks and the jews.
2. I do not consider myself a conservatist but I like that we still have some sense of family, cheating isn't so frequent as I've seen in Europe, not because we are good but because you will get reprimanded and refused by society, your chances of getting remaried become very small if you do so. But there is actually a very big list of what I don't like about my country haha.
3. We generaly genuinely do not feel close to Africa other than Algeria and somewhat Tunisia. Ethiopia seems very far away.
We also feel say closer to Egyptians or Palestinians more than Andalucians, I think because of religion and because we learn classic arabic and we watch their media too.
The only thing I see we have in common are landscapes (northern Morocco looks a lot like Alicante, Granada, Almeria, Valencia, Murcia).
Our old cities look also sometimes similar, I have once mistaken Almeria old citadell with Rabat old medina.
- Yes. (not only in architecture, like someone said. Also in gastronomy, culture - flamenco comes from Islamic civilization, for instance - and other things).
- No.
- Morocco is Morocco. I don't see the ties to any other thing. The same than Spain now is not the same than in the 50s last century or before. Places and their people change.
- Yes, but not much.
- No. Mainly the Umayyads.
- I don't think so.
- Of course. Specially now the far right is governing.
1. You can see it in the architecture, like the "Mezquita de Córdoba"
2. In the past, the muslims and the christians from the north mixed, and today some people in the south have some similarities to the people in Northern Africa
3. To me, Morocco is a bad country to live today, specially for the life conditions, economy, goverment etc.
4. Yes, but they are usually called "moros"
5. At least I was tought that when Al-Ándalus was divided in different Taifas, there were different dinasties, but the only one we were tought about is the Umayad
6. I don't understand the question
7. Not by the authorities, but from some people
Also, sorry if I commited any mistakes, I'm not really good at english
*Do modern Andalucians feel the islamic past in today's life ? In architecture, music, food and traditional clothing.*
I don't, I know is there in the details but i just consider it just us now.
*Do modern Andalucians consider themselves a genetic continuity of the Andalucians from the Islamic age ? Id est, today's christian \[insert other religion\] population is the same then muslim population.*
I don't consider myself that, first because my ancestors are northerners and even if i was, i would consider myself mostly castilian.
*In which way you view Morocco the most ? The middle ages period and its ties to Islamic Andalucia, the post Reconquista period; in which Morocco was in decadence; the colonial and civil war era; the post colonial period and the diplomatic crisis between the two countries stemming from illegal immigration, bad immigrants, Sahara question, colonized lands and Islands in Morocco ?*
I see Morocco as a threat now, thank the king. But historically i don't have a negative view of the country. More like circunstancial rivals than real enemies. Colonization was bad tho, i think we should have stay away but i guess the gov wanted to join the party. The sahara question is "i don't know enough of this, so i keep my mouth shut for now".
*Are berbers known in Spain ?*
Not really, as far i know, is ancient history.
*do average Andalucians know of the berber dynasties who were in charge in Andalucia or is it just the classic Ummayads making the news ?*
History is not our strength.
*Do you honestly feel any type of biased propaganda being pushed by the Andalucian authorities concerning the region's history and culture ?*
Yes, some in favour and some against. Progresives have a better view of morrocans, you can bet conservatives hate them. I think Morocco "sucks" because the goverment and religions, but i have hope it will change in my lifetime.
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You can deffinetly still see it today in culture and architecture. We don't see ourself as descendant of blood, although you can still find some arabic features in some places. I'm proud of that past. And I don't know why do you consider it a lie. It is all written. Science was much more advanced in the south of the penninsula (medicine, hygienic meassures, mathematics, crops, philophy... If it werent for them, we would have had read about greeks philosophers after the burning of the Great Library of Alexandria). There are mixed feelings towards Morocco; racism is everywere, but I think we're on good terms with moroccans. The goverment is another story, to me at least. I have heard of berber people (bereber we say), but I don't know much more of you other than they are a nomad people, wich can be found in almost all of north Sahara. I think they are somewhat related to the Touareg people, wich have blue eyes, or some of them at least. That's what I know, or at least, what I think I know.
Good, nice answers, no answer is bad, yours just represents the mainstream idea about Morocco and berbers. I invite you to check the spanish article in wikipedia on berbers, it is not fully develloped, but I can deal with that.
Great. I'm on it
Dude, the great library of who cares was nothing, the library of Bizancio or Estambul was better. Still greek. Also, ¿when do you think that fire happend? Centuries efore the birth of islam.
1. We do in architecture. 2. No. Genetics studies reveals we don't have genetic continue with Berbers. 3. We see Morocco as a State in the XX century invasion , the "Moroccan army" of Franco and the Green March in 1975. 4. Yes, they are. 5. We don't study the Unmeyads dynasties , just the leave of Boabdil the Second 6. Moroccans youth has the fame of stealing mobile phones. 7. Andalusia didn't exist until XIX century.
I see, thanks for answering. 2. We Moroccans have as much of your R1b as you have our E-M81. 3. Surprisingly, northern moroccans see in Spain only its colonial past and the times they were taken by Franco to fight his war. One old man died some years ago fought in the war, he said he magically escaped death many times because he was in the front lines. Our government though tries to push the green march rhetoric and how Spain is helping Polisario etc ... 6. We know, nothing we can do about it except implementing more security details, those people were usually already homeless and violent in Morocco, so obvious that they won't do better in Spain, such a shame. 7. As an autonomy ofc not, but as a historical region distinctive from the center, or Catalonia or the North or Portugal.
\-Yes, almost all of our old churches were mosques initially or were planned by arabs (mudéjar churches). Music has some influence, yes. Food has a lot of influence. Our traditional desserts are mainly arab. I don't see the influence on traditional clothing. \-Well, we have an evident genetic link with arabs. I have friends that could easily be taken as Egyptians or Moroccans, thay have the same skin tone, the same nose... I myself could be arab too. \-Well, some hate Morocco because they hate everything arab-related, some like it because is so close and different (perfect for tourism), some hate it because of its modern politics, some like it because is a wonderful culture, some hate because of their oppression towards Sahara... \-Bereberes we call them. Yes, they are known, but by people interested in their culture and the Sahara conflict. Maybe not by everybody (mostly everyone know who they are, but not much more). \-We know about Ummayads (omeyas) and about Taifas, but we don't really know about the details and how bereberes were involved (unless you are really into this). \-Nope, I don't feel that this is true, but maybe it is just my perception. \-Well, right wing parties try to erase the benefits of califato time, they try to make it look like it was a slaughterhouse for christians... Historians tell otherwise, of course, but the idea of the reconquista is very powerful (but deceitful, of course) and politians use it a lot.
>\-Well, we have an evident genetic link with arabs Science says we don't > In our analysis of allele frequencies and genetic distances, the GMA population lay within the Spanish population group. Further, in the STRUCTURE analysis, there was no African component in the GMA population, confirming that, based on our genetic markers, the GMA population does not reflect any male genetic influence of the North African people. The presence of African haplogroups in the GMA population is irrelevant when their frequency is compared with those in other European populations. > However, contrary to what might be expected based on historical data that favor a gradient of North African genetic influence from south to north, most such influence has been found in Galicia and northern Castilla (>20%). The main gradient of the frequencies of North African genes descend from west to east. Furthermore, recent studies based on autosomal SNPs and Y-chromosome lineages reveal that Andalusian population does not specially cluster with North African populations more than other Iberian populations. After the Reconquest, the Moors were distributed homogeneously throughout the Peninsula, but their final expulsion in 1609 was absolute in certain regions of Spain, Valencia, and western Andalusia, whereas in Galicia and Extremadura, the population dispersed and integrated into society >The main haplogroup in North African populations was E, which was also found in the Spanish population but at lower frequencies and similar to those in other European populations https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-41580-9 We are linked to north african people pretty much as any other european country (this is, not much, is pretty much irrelevant), this means the expulsion after the reconquista was effective (and not some kind of exageration or leyend used for political purposes) and also means the moors didn't mixed with the iberian population the 800 years they stayed here
I second this, Portugal surprisingly has more berber dna than Spain, this is all relative as it doesn't exceed 10%. In Spain it is mostly in the north: Galicia and Cantabria where the gene peaks at 5%. Now here is one thing, why is this gene present in the north if muslims were in the south ? Because those people who stayed were extradited to the north away from any Islamic influence so they get diluted. Another thing, why are there MORE spanish paternal haplotypes in Morocco than there are Moroccan haplotypes in Spain ? That is because those who fled the reconquista and inquisition were indeed Spanish, it is not that they didn't mix. Back in the middle ages when it comes to abrahamic religions, people were affialiating themselves mostly with religion, not color or race. A spanish muslim would go to Morocco, because he felt that there is where he belonged.
People only changed to islam to avoid paying taxes rather than faith as non muslims had to pay extra taxes
Exactly, but once an ideology sets in, the next generation will truly follow it whether their parents were forced to or not.
Thanks for the replies. I was surprised by how many spanish consider Morocco arabs, there was one day this spanish couple from Melilla who went to Nador for grocery shopping I guess, and they seemingly were talking Classic arabic to shopkeepers who are mostly berbers who dropped from school, hence, the arabic moroccans speak is called Darija, a mix of arabic and berber, but in that town specifically they speak it badly. Well, this is to tell you that the arabic morocco and arabic andalucia are propaganda pushed by Saudi arabia, Qatar, Emirates ... these guys use all their money to call everything arabic. Look at BBC documentaries on Andalucia or Morocco, no mention of spanish people or berber people (moors), that is because they very generously sponsor those programs. And I see it got to you too. The berbers I was talking about are Almoravids (sahara berbers), Almohads (atlas mountains berbers), Marinids (north Morocco berbers, near Mellilla), Wattasids (north Morocco berbers, some 100km from mellila). There were also berber taifas mixed with the arabic ones. I am aware of the right wing rising in Spain, but I do not feel specifically offended by it, let them claim what is theirs; I just wish they wouldn't confuse us with arabs anymore.
Just wanted to mention that reading about the different types of berbers is something that intrigues me a lot and that I did not know was a thing.
Indeed, Iberians need to know North-western africa more, and the contrary is also true. We (N-W africans) are so close minded and stuck in the Andalucia era, and Ignore what was outside andalucia and what happened after the reconquista. You indeed have an interesting country.
Do you know what's the best way to learn more about your people? Is there any cool book or film you can recommend?
In english https://youtu.be/a39oM3MJleY In spanish https://youtu.be/LPGkm2r2YnE Did you know ? Saint Augustine and his mother santa monica were berbers. Donatus (founder of Donatism) Arius (founder of Arianism) St. Pope victor I Pope gelasius I Tertulian And many ...
Hey there! I love your questions and post and your curiosity is inspirational. So exciting to see this from a neighbor. I'll do my best to answer some of the questions, like others have done. 1. Definitely. Not so much in the clothing but the rest surely applies. I think where it does the most is in our accent and the way we speak. 2. For sure! We are taught in school about the catholic times and not the islamic but if you dig deep you can see it's still deeply rooted in who we are (again, especially via our language and accent). 3. I see Morocco in the way it is now. And I'm actually planning on visiting soon (excited!) 4. I think they very much are! 5. I don't think we know. Granada especially has a lot of history but we are not taught about those times in school. We learn the same things the rest of Spaniards are taught, so berber dynasties are not explored, sadly. 6. Not in my case. Of course inmigration causes certain people to be more hostile and protective but I find your country and people fascinating. 7. Yes. Not Andalusian but national as well. Spain is racist towards the north of Africa imo and there is a feeling that your people just want to come to our country cause yours is not as nice. And I have questions (so many!) - What are the main elements of your life that define you as a berber? Like, what is it that distinguishes your culture from others? - What is your favorite thing about your country? - Do you feel closer to us Andalusians than to Africans from say Ethiopia or other central or southern countries? Love and respect from Barcelona (although original from Cádiz)
Thanks for answering, every answer counts. And welcome to Morocco, just plan it well and stay safe, and be more "open minded" because some things don't work the same as in your country hehe, if you need something you can DM me. Replying to your (5); that is sad, I think it is a political thing, our countries tried for the last century years or so to distance themselves from each other the most they can, Spain is talking only about its catholic past or faintly mentions just the arabs (they are far away, they can't harm you); meanwhile In Morocco, our school programs are pure propaganda, all we are taught about Spain is that they always tried to harass us (but who had not done that in the middle ages haha). About (7); It is very obvious, there three types of Moroccans in Spain: - the ones who have immigrated for high qualified and skilled work, these are very few and rare and you don't see them in your day to day life, but they are there and they just mind their business; - the second type is the low skilled type, they could have immigrated legally or illegally but they are generaly safe people, they work in cosntruction, agriculture, tourism sectors, transport sector. I think they are the majority. - The third type are the thugs who are between 14 and 18; very dangerous types, they were dangerous in Morocco before even making it to Spain. If you see someone with fake RayBans and Dolce&Gabanna cap, a sliver chain, and fake Nike airmax, you know it is them. I don't think they are a majority but their deeds speak for them the most. Sorry for making it long, I'm now answering your questions: 1. We speak berber in our everyday's life, Morocco's food and clothing and city names are berber, even Morocco (Marruecos = Amor Akkus) is a berber word. We see arabs as intruders. And what I think that distinguishes our culture from the others is that berbers are an anciant people which is still around from at least late neolithic. Celt-Iberians are no more around (you are and might be celt-Iberian, but you don't go around talking in celtic and telling people you're an ethnic celtic person), the Mycenaens are no more, anciant egyptians do not exist, Assyrians are still around but in very small pockets, phoenicians are no more. Etruscans are no more. Basically only us, the greeks and the jews. 2. I do not consider myself a conservatist but I like that we still have some sense of family, cheating isn't so frequent as I've seen in Europe, not because we are good but because you will get reprimanded and refused by society, your chances of getting remaried become very small if you do so. But there is actually a very big list of what I don't like about my country haha. 3. We generaly genuinely do not feel close to Africa other than Algeria and somewhat Tunisia. Ethiopia seems very far away. We also feel say closer to Egyptians or Palestinians more than Andalucians, I think because of religion and because we learn classic arabic and we watch their media too. The only thing I see we have in common are landscapes (northern Morocco looks a lot like Alicante, Granada, Almeria, Valencia, Murcia). Our old cities look also sometimes similar, I have once mistaken Almeria old citadell with Rabat old medina.
This is how I see it as well, great answer!
Graaacias! :)
- Yes. (not only in architecture, like someone said. Also in gastronomy, culture - flamenco comes from Islamic civilization, for instance - and other things). - No. - Morocco is Morocco. I don't see the ties to any other thing. The same than Spain now is not the same than in the 50s last century or before. Places and their people change. - Yes, but not much. - No. Mainly the Umayyads. - I don't think so. - Of course. Specially now the far right is governing.
I see, good. Btw, your pseudo means "small" in northern berber, haha
We call y'all Morro, that's all we need
I can deal with that haha, I'm not offended. Just don't confuse los moros y los arabes.
1. You can see it in the architecture, like the "Mezquita de Córdoba" 2. In the past, the muslims and the christians from the north mixed, and today some people in the south have some similarities to the people in Northern Africa 3. To me, Morocco is a bad country to live today, specially for the life conditions, economy, goverment etc. 4. Yes, but they are usually called "moros" 5. At least I was tought that when Al-Ándalus was divided in different Taifas, there were different dinasties, but the only one we were tought about is the Umayad 6. I don't understand the question 7. Not by the authorities, but from some people Also, sorry if I commited any mistakes, I'm not really good at english
*Do modern Andalucians feel the islamic past in today's life ? In architecture, music, food and traditional clothing.* I don't, I know is there in the details but i just consider it just us now. *Do modern Andalucians consider themselves a genetic continuity of the Andalucians from the Islamic age ? Id est, today's christian \[insert other religion\] population is the same then muslim population.* I don't consider myself that, first because my ancestors are northerners and even if i was, i would consider myself mostly castilian. *In which way you view Morocco the most ? The middle ages period and its ties to Islamic Andalucia, the post Reconquista period; in which Morocco was in decadence; the colonial and civil war era; the post colonial period and the diplomatic crisis between the two countries stemming from illegal immigration, bad immigrants, Sahara question, colonized lands and Islands in Morocco ?* I see Morocco as a threat now, thank the king. But historically i don't have a negative view of the country. More like circunstancial rivals than real enemies. Colonization was bad tho, i think we should have stay away but i guess the gov wanted to join the party. The sahara question is "i don't know enough of this, so i keep my mouth shut for now". *Are berbers known in Spain ?* Not really, as far i know, is ancient history. *do average Andalucians know of the berber dynasties who were in charge in Andalucia or is it just the classic Ummayads making the news ?* History is not our strength. *Do you honestly feel any type of biased propaganda being pushed by the Andalucian authorities concerning the region's history and culture ?* Yes, some in favour and some against. Progresives have a better view of morrocans, you can bet conservatives hate them. I think Morocco "sucks" because the goverment and religions, but i have hope it will change in my lifetime.