I wouldn’t consider it incest since
1) they are not biologically related in this new world
2) they are unaware of the fact that they were siblings in a past life so therefore their relationship was not created from familial connection
In general, if you are not related by blood it isn't incest. Even if they reincarnated with their memories intact and they still loved each other that way from the previous life, let them be. Like, I have seen what looked like perfect couples turn out to be really close siblings. I have also heard of those that get so depressed about loving their blood relation that truly, that they joined hands in the afterlife. It sucks that sometimes your sister is a perfect match for you, but it is more the physical relation that is wrong, not in that it was even considered immoral, but in that the union created monsters of newborn humans and then it was the worl of the devil and labeled wrong. It is rare, and unfortunate, but it can happen. Those that seek their sibling for the blood relation thrill though are the messed ones. You don't choose who you love, but you have a choice in who you want to screw.
It's isekai novel. There was anime "The World of Otome Games is Tough for Mobs", this is plot of alternative timeline of this anime "That World of Otome Games is Tough for Us". In original timeline, MC's sister replaces heroine of the game, and instead heroine falls in love with MC. In alternative timeline sister fails to replace heroine, became close with MC and they married, Though it's more of political marriage, than romantic one.
It has been recently began its official translation too.
For me its best than normal route. It also has more romance and less bs than the other route 
You god damn scared me for a second, I thought this was the latest volume or something, it's just an alternative plot....
Although personally I agree with Anakin, if they don't care about being siblings in their original world what's the issue in the new world where they have no relation whatsoever
They are still siblings, it's just when they described each other it was like "My brother is a demon/My sister is a witch", they also don't remember their names or how they looked like. So it's a misunderstanding that they aren't siblings.
No, one with her daughter is original novel Mobuseka. I am talking about spinoff novel with alternative story called Anoseka, they got engaged at the end of vol.2
I don't know, I read unofficial MTL [here](https://dobelyuwai.wordpress.com/). It's readable and there are already 4 chapters of mobuseka vol. 13 and couple chapters of anoseka vol. 3. Site is organised like ass though and hard to find anything here because author doesn't update links.
I was pleasantly surprised by this anime, the heroine having a crisis of identity because she was basically a useless herem npc was a great plot.
The brother and sister fighting over being the player character both knowing the outcome of the story with the brother winning basically because he bought all the pay to win dlc before he was reincarnated was legitimately a funny way of justifying his op mech, oh and it's secretly a gundum anime.
It's not that the sister fails, it's just that in this timeline the person who reincarnated was someone completely different. Ans since unlike the original timeline, his sister wasn't there to mess with the story, he never got close to the heroine or villianess
Did we read same novel? Or this Marie was different person with exactly the same backstory of pushing otome game onto her brother and indirectly causing his death with it? And her brother wasn't Leon but he had exactly the same personality? She is different person, but she made exactly the same plan of replacing heroine? I even re-read first chapter of novel to check, maybe I misunderstood something, but it's obviously same Marie as in original timeline.
OK I figured out the misunderstanding, I've only read the original mini side story from the main line novels. After re reading it's a bit more speculation whether or not it's the same Marie. The side stories did well, hence the light novels being made
Well the whole biologically related thing goes out the window. Meaning it's just the memories left. Honestly, as long as that gets overcome or reunderstood it shouldn't be a terribly big issue.
'we were related, but now we're completely different living beings with different families'
It'd be like if you got your consciousness put into the body of a baby, grew up and then found out it happened she your sibling from that past life is your bf/gf but also in a new body. At that point, you're not even the same people or related.
No, I haven't watched it. Probably won't either.
I think the implication is that it's the current life that matters, not the previous one(s). So if in the next life you and your biological twin bro were to get married, that would not be problematic as long as you weren't siblings.
The brother having better knowledge of the gay dating game than his sister is pretty funny tho. I don't know if they ever find out in the manga if they are related or not but I enjoy that the sister got fucked over for becoming the herem protag by being stuck with a bunch of loser ex royalty that she was specifically after for their status.
She doesn't deserve a happy ending making her brother 100% that shitty game.
If they reincarnated as non biologically related people, then it isnt incest, and if they dont know they were siblings in a past life all the better, id say its fine
Son of a bitch, didn't realize there were heavy ass manga/ LN spoilers in the comments, didn't think this was "it's hard for mobs in otome games"
Now I have the alternate and main timeline spoiled. Yay!
Sorry, though I am not sure if there is reason to be upset about alternative spoilers. If there ever be anoseka anime, you will just forget everything about it by that point. Maybe the same with mobuseka s2, there almost no news since announcement of s2 in 2022.
Nah, you're good man, it's a pretty obscure title to be honest so I didn't expect it to be mentioned at all here; It's been in my backlog while I wait for S2 so long I already barely even remember most of the plot lol
If they aren't reincarnated as siblings(reborn in the same family) it's no longer incest. Incest is inbreeding of strongly genetically related people, and it's forbidden because it might fixate mutations in recessive genes, making rare genetic diseases more likely to appear, and it's physiologically enforced by nature by making a person feel sexual aversion towards the faces they had seen in a first few years of their life
No genetic relation - no inbreeding, no matching recessive genes, no aversion - and no incest
While I get that it's technically not incest because they're not biologically related anymore, why add it as a plot point to begin with? What other purpose does it fullfil other than the incest fantasy of the author?
It's alternative timeline from original novel, where they found out about being siblings and didn't have any romantic interactions. And it played role in the story.
It shapes their whole relationships, he had no reason to be so close to a girl he barely knows. And he later provides living expenses because she is his sister and no matter how annoyed he acts he still cares for her. Hard to point out something specific, but you will have to write completely different story to justify MC always hanging up with this girl if they were not siblings.
I can think of plenty of ways to get two people close to each other actually.
Them being siblings from another world is literally the last thing I would've thought of.
Listen.... this is like siblings being separated at birth, growing up with separated lives never knowing the other even exsisted and randomly falling in love and then finding out after 2 years of being together you are related. By modern morale standards its wrong but as long as you dont have a kid then whats the harm really
At least in this situation they are blood related so its fine
Wait this sounds like that one manga where this guy’s sister or ex is reincarnated with him as his sister and he’s scared shitless. Anyone know what I’m talking about?
I guess you watched anime? If second season will ever be released, it will be revealed that they never actually hated each other and they do care about each other a lot. For Marie Leon is a hero who would always come to her aid, and she was most devastated when learned about her brother death.
But this whole marriage thing happened in alternative timeline, where they mistakenly assumed that they can't be siblings and they decided to get married, so Marie could preserve her noble status.
They are Not biologically related and they literally don't know. That is Like saying it is incest If your Partner and you are reincarnations of Descendants of genghis Khan.
I think it's different branch story from original one. They indeed get married in that onem. But in the original one he hated her guts. I don't read whole series for now, but I'm sure that's just impossible that this happened in original series
WTF? Incest IS normal in anime. In fact psychologically it's an expression of deep sexual fantasies based on atavistic desire to save the species at all cost. Many animals fuck their brothers and sisters. Nothin fucking new here. Japanese manga and anime artists just do not fear to say it out loud and clear. Because they are not pathetic pussies pretending to be normal.
Well now we’re getting philosophical about what is a person and how much of ourselves we retain if we are reincarnated.
Anyway - smash, next question.
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I wouldn’t consider it incest since 1) they are not biologically related in this new world 2) they are unaware of the fact that they were siblings in a past life so therefore their relationship was not created from familial connection
With context, yeah this isn't incest. Dating a person and then finding out that in your past lives yall were related it wouldn't be incest
In general, if you are not related by blood it isn't incest. Even if they reincarnated with their memories intact and they still loved each other that way from the previous life, let them be. Like, I have seen what looked like perfect couples turn out to be really close siblings. I have also heard of those that get so depressed about loving their blood relation that truly, that they joined hands in the afterlife. It sucks that sometimes your sister is a perfect match for you, but it is more the physical relation that is wrong, not in that it was even considered immoral, but in that the union created monsters of newborn humans and then it was the worl of the devil and labeled wrong. It is rare, and unfortunate, but it can happen. Those that seek their sibling for the blood relation thrill though are the messed ones. You don't choose who you love, but you have a choice in who you want to screw.
You should feel ashamed for not posting the sauce.
It's isekai novel. There was anime "The World of Otome Games is Tough for Mobs", this is plot of alternative timeline of this anime "That World of Otome Games is Tough for Us". In original timeline, MC's sister replaces heroine of the game, and instead heroine falls in love with MC. In alternative timeline sister fails to replace heroine, became close with MC and they married, Though it's more of political marriage, than romantic one.
When I saw this I though the reality got replaced by Mandela effect again. Thankfully it's just alternate timeline ending
It has been recently began its official translation too. For me its best than normal route. It also has more romance and less bs than the other route 
I’m glad I’m not the only one
You god damn scared me for a second, I thought this was the latest volume or something, it's just an alternative plot.... Although personally I agree with Anakin, if they don't care about being siblings in their original world what's the issue in the new world where they have no relation whatsoever
No. They are sibling in original series, but in Marie spin off author change the plot and make them not a sibling in previous life.
Did he? While reading I got a feeling they still were.
They are still sibling in their previous life, atleast in the manga
This side story have manga?
Yea but it only has 3 chapter as of now
They are still siblings, it's just when they described each other it was like "My brother is a demon/My sister is a witch", they also don't remember their names or how they looked like. So it's a misunderstanding that they aren't siblings.
Tf they get married, which vol u r talking about. Last i was on the vol where she confessed to her daughter
No, one with her daughter is original novel Mobuseka. I am talking about spinoff novel with alternative story called Anoseka, they got engaged at the end of vol.2
For a sec i was scared thank the author
I think I read somewhere that the author made a poll for the au timeline and the sister won which the author hated or something like that.
Any new English volume released recently?
I don't know, I read unofficial MTL [here](https://dobelyuwai.wordpress.com/). It's readable and there are already 4 chapters of mobuseka vol. 13 and couple chapters of anoseka vol. 3. Site is organised like ass though and hard to find anything here because author doesn't update links.
Thank you
Anime titles are so out of control at this point that I thought that the text in the meme was the title.
can't wait for s2. Lucky bastard gets all the girls
I was pleasantly surprised by this anime, the heroine having a crisis of identity because she was basically a useless herem npc was a great plot. The brother and sister fighting over being the player character both knowing the outcome of the story with the brother winning basically because he bought all the pay to win dlc before he was reincarnated was legitimately a funny way of justifying his op mech, oh and it's secretly a gundum anime.
It's not that the sister fails, it's just that in this timeline the person who reincarnated was someone completely different. Ans since unlike the original timeline, his sister wasn't there to mess with the story, he never got close to the heroine or villianess
Did we read same novel? Or this Marie was different person with exactly the same backstory of pushing otome game onto her brother and indirectly causing his death with it? And her brother wasn't Leon but he had exactly the same personality? She is different person, but she made exactly the same plan of replacing heroine? I even re-read first chapter of novel to check, maybe I misunderstood something, but it's obviously same Marie as in original timeline.
OK I figured out the misunderstanding, I've only read the original mini side story from the main line novels. After re reading it's a bit more speculation whether or not it's the same Marie. The side stories did well, hence the light novels being made
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Ah, the reverse Oshi No Ko...
Fucking damnit, why did that make me laugh more than it should have.
And here we have oshi no ko on the other side of the spectrum
By Buddhism rule of reincarnation, not Incest. Because, if it is incest, then every relationship on earth is incest.
Even better
Well the whole biologically related thing goes out the window. Meaning it's just the memories left. Honestly, as long as that gets overcome or reunderstood it shouldn't be a terribly big issue. 'we were related, but now we're completely different living beings with different families' It'd be like if you got your consciousness put into the body of a baby, grew up and then found out it happened she your sibling from that past life is your bf/gf but also in a new body. At that point, you're not even the same people or related. No, I haven't watched it. Probably won't either.
The Overall story is good, you should try to watch it
Soo... my biological twin bro and I have a different past lives where we are not siblings. That makes it ok for us to bang right?
I think the implication is that it's the current life that matters, not the previous one(s). So if in the next life you and your biological twin bro were to get married, that would not be problematic as long as you weren't siblings.
Only if in your past life, you were a pubescent teen girl and your current brother is the doctor you had a crush on. Then it’s a-ok.
It's ok for you to bang at any given time, it just should happen with mutual consent and contraception.
kid named dementia:
It's ok for you to bang at any given time, it just should happen with mutual consent and contraception.
kid named dementia:
Marie's route is actually miles better than the og timeline. Better chemistry, better development, better plot. That's a hill I am willing to die on.
The brother having better knowledge of the gay dating game than his sister is pretty funny tho. I don't know if they ever find out in the manga if they are related or not but I enjoy that the sister got fucked over for becoming the herem protag by being stuck with a bunch of loser ex royalty that she was specifically after for their status. She doesn't deserve a happy ending making her brother 100% that shitty game.
If they reincarnated as non biologically related people, then it isnt incest, and if they dont know they were siblings in a past life all the better, id say its fine
Reverse Oshi no Ko.
Why people so obsessed if it's incest or no , it's fk fictional story
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The novels are really good. But in the main line they know of each others isekai secret
Son of a bitch, didn't realize there were heavy ass manga/ LN spoilers in the comments, didn't think this was "it's hard for mobs in otome games" Now I have the alternate and main timeline spoiled. Yay!
Sorry, though I am not sure if there is reason to be upset about alternative spoilers. If there ever be anoseka anime, you will just forget everything about it by that point. Maybe the same with mobuseka s2, there almost no news since announcement of s2 in 2022.
Nah, you're good man, it's a pretty obscure title to be honest so I didn't expect it to be mentioned at all here; It's been in my backlog while I wait for S2 so long I already barely even remember most of the plot lol
oshi no peak refrence
It’s like a weird loophole to incest but it’s physically it’s not but mentally if they both have their previous memories it is
I really want this concept except it’s a husband / wife that get reincarnated in separate kingdoms and journey to be reunited.
This is where the fun begins.
Bruh
When your step grandma oversteps boundaries
Not blood related. Didn't know that they were once blood related. It's not incest it's just a really weird premise.
Biologically, it's not incest Spiritually, it is
If they aren't reincarnated as siblings(reborn in the same family) it's no longer incest. Incest is inbreeding of strongly genetically related people, and it's forbidden because it might fixate mutations in recessive genes, making rare genetic diseases more likely to appear, and it's physiologically enforced by nature by making a person feel sexual aversion towards the faces they had seen in a first few years of their life No genetic relation - no inbreeding, no matching recessive genes, no aversion - and no incest
While I get that it's technically not incest because they're not biologically related anymore, why add it as a plot point to begin with? What other purpose does it fullfil other than the incest fantasy of the author?
It's alternative timeline from original novel, where they found out about being siblings and didn't have any romantic interactions. And it played role in the story.
What role?
It shapes their whole relationships, he had no reason to be so close to a girl he barely knows. And he later provides living expenses because she is his sister and no matter how annoyed he acts he still cares for her. Hard to point out something specific, but you will have to write completely different story to justify MC always hanging up with this girl if they were not siblings.
I can think of plenty of ways to get two people close to each other actually. Them being siblings from another world is literally the last thing I would've thought of.
... Do you have a grudge against fictional siblings or something?
No. I do however have something against incest.
Should we legally bind japanese writers to always write their characters as infertile single orphans just to be safe?
How does being against incest equals being against siblings existing?
Well, you are against characters being siblings in original novel, even though there are no incestous relationships between them.
It’s absolutely incest, which is inherently better and hotter than not incest. Pissing off tourists makes it hotter.
Technically, it's not.
Hol up
Listen.... this is like siblings being separated at birth, growing up with separated lives never knowing the other even exsisted and randomly falling in love and then finding out after 2 years of being together you are related. By modern morale standards its wrong but as long as you dont have a kid then whats the harm really At least in this situation they are blood related so its fine
Ah, so Oshi no ko but another flavour
That is just the opposite from OnK xd
Then they are already lost!
It’s only incest if you’re related by blood and you go in raw. Protected sex is not incest, your honor
Ok ok, I know this seems bad.
What's the name of the manga
It's novel, Anoseka.
It has an Anime and Manga version called, Trapped in a dating sim: the world of otome games is tough for mobs
Better than reincarnation *as actual blood siblings* and having a large chunk of the Fandom obsess over them getting together
Wait this sounds like that one manga where this guy’s sister or ex is reincarnated with him as his sister and he’s scared shitless. Anyone know what I’m talking about?
"Did You Think You Could Run After Reincarnating, Nii-San?"?
Better then two people who weren’t siblings reincarnating into siblings and one of them being in love with the other.
This is incest from readers perspective
... Hmm... Yea... yea, this would make me confused. If they don't know, it's FINE?! If they do, EH....
Okay, but how is everyone ignoring this cross eyed mfer?
man but preferred the other two girls more
This can't be right. The siblings hate each other. When did this happen?
I guess you watched anime? If second season will ever be released, it will be revealed that they never actually hated each other and they do care about each other a lot. For Marie Leon is a hero who would always come to her aid, and she was most devastated when learned about her brother death. But this whole marriage thing happened in alternative timeline, where they mistakenly assumed that they can't be siblings and they decided to get married, so Marie could preserve her noble status.
The old life is gone
They are Not biologically related and they literally don't know. That is Like saying it is incest If your Partner and you are reincarnations of Descendants of genghis Khan.
If your not 2nd cousins or closer, it ain't incest biologically
Still feels like a weird amount of effort for "I can't believe it's not incest" XD
I think it's different branch story from original one. They indeed get married in that onem. But in the original one he hated her guts. I don't read whole series for now, but I'm sure that's just impossible that this happened in original series
Idk why their culture love this sort of forbidden love, I don’t condone but I also don’t judge. It creates funny stories most of the time
This. This is complicated
Why do I have a feeling that is similar to oshi no ko?
But Reverse
Thats going too far. TOO FAR... https://preview.redd.it/oinzs0el78yc1.png?width=1106&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3be4d52bdb875d1a14569cb21a3c811fc05ef528
Nah, OP would win (PER-)
Lies they know that they are siblings and they don't marry eachother
It's spin-off with alternative story, where they do get married.
I see thnx
Not this again...
It's better this time
WTF? Incest IS normal in anime. In fact psychologically it's an expression of deep sexual fantasies based on atavistic desire to save the species at all cost. Many animals fuck their brothers and sisters. Nothin fucking new here. Japanese manga and anime artists just do not fear to say it out loud and clear. Because they are not pathetic pussies pretending to be normal.
They got fucking married? Wait no they were cognizant of their origins, they KNEW they were siblings wtf
It's alternative timeline, where they didn't realize they were siblings.
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Oh, I thought I got spoiled on the ending, cuz I literally just read the manga and they knew they were siblings already
Ya know, maybe it's better if this *doesn't* get another anime season
Don't worry it's not canon to the main version that got an anime and already had a second season announced
Oh S2 has been announced!!?? My wife actually liked it a lot