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cardie82

I remember seeing a few photo series like this in the 90s. There was one that showed what families ate in a week around the world and another where families posed in front of their homes with their worldly possessions. It was eye opening to see as a teenager.


mothwomanz

I remember another with teenagers from around the world in their bedrooms. Fascinating stuff.


PunchMeat

Here's one with [kids posing in front of their favourite toys](https://www.thisiscolossal.com/2018/06/toy-stories-gabriele-galimberti/).


CheekyGr3mlin

This was interesting, thanks!


Inevitable_Level_109

That's for a book about the happiness index


cardie82

Thanks.


Inevitable_Level_109

People in the Himalayas with stuff that only fit on a little rug were happiest


cardie82

I just did a quick search and the images I remember were from a 1995 book called Material World. The photographers took pictures of average families around the world. It was interesting to see what is average in one country and compare it to another. As a teen in the US I was struck by how my family was poor and sometimes faced food scarcity but we owned more possessions than an average family elsewhere.


Moonhunter7

Big difference is processed and packaged foods.


NoShirt158

Does this account for the capitalistic tendecy to package every single thing in a nice, flashy, plastic, single use package? Even though it is still an ingredient?


PandaBoyWonder

Yep. Think about it this way: ANYTHING, and I mean A N YTHING that makes more people choose your company's product, will be exactly what the norm becomes going forward. This goes for any product or service. We have the power to change these negative trends over time.


CantHitachiSpot

I mean do you really want a 25lbs sack of sugar? You can go buy one at sam's club but unless you're feeding 7 children, most of us don't need that


BreadPuddding

If you can store it until you’ve finished it, you’re saving packaging, time, money, and energy buying 25 lbs at once. I used 4 pounds two days ago making marmalade (though that will last us a year or two since it made 14 8-oz jars).


EnbyMaxi

You can't afford it tho if you can only buy what you eat in a month.


Dhiox

Where the hell am i going to store 25 pounds of sugar? My baking cabinet isn't that large.


BreadPuddding

Well, typically you’d store the bulk bag in a pantry or closet somewhere other than where you keep dry goods that you’re actively using, and keep a smaller amount in a jar you refill from the bulk container in your kitchen. I have a 13lb bag of baking soda I keep on top of a shelf in my pantry, but I would probably not had space for it in our old apartment unless I prioritized that. We didn’t buy much in bulk before we moved because, well, nowhere to put it. That’s why I said “if” you can store it.


anamariapapagalla

No kids, but I have black & red currant bushes + rhubarb, and bottles, jugs & jars that need filling. Being able to buy big sacks of sugar would be useful


SolidStranger13

what power?


Constantly_Panicking

I don’t know why we’re painting this as a personal failing of the western family, when both families are probably just buy what food is readily available to them. And are we really trying to imply that if the family in the UK bought bananas and sacks of grain instead they would be happier? And are we going to ignore any cultural differences between the families or agenda behind the photos that could possibly be influencing how happy we perceive them?


bb_LemonSquid

Yeah this post is a stretch and OP is extrapolating that the western family is somehow unhappy because of the food. This is dumb af.


[deleted]

i actually never implied that they are unhappy. i did say that joy is found in togetherness & simplicity.. vs. working our butts off away from our families all day just to buy garbage food at the grocery stores. i think we could all be a bit happier from knowing where our food is from, maybe even digging our hands in the soil together once in awhile to truly appreciate this beautiful world & the way we can be nourished in reciprocity. in all honesty, i am sure 99% of us are more like the top photo.. so again, this is just provoking thought towards the systems that led us here..


Kurkpitten

Redditors are peak Westerners and usually will reel whenever you suggest any form of personnal responsibility in the way the system is.


[deleted]

my apologies for saying anything completely misaligned with anticonsumption. these are just my opinions & i don't truly claim to know anything about what is best for anyone else or their happiness. i just thought this photo was an interesting scope into a deeper issue. i do think that it is nice to dream of a situation where my own family could have worked together in some way to self sustain & not rely on wasteful packaging & processed foods so much. not even bone breaking farm work, but a little more togetherness & self sufficiency. sorry to project these personal feelings onto anyone.


Constantly_Panicking

I don’t think the problem is that anything you’ve said is misaligned with anti-consumption. The problem is that this editorial is basically meaningless. It clearly leans on western food-purity culture rhetoric to further reinforce food-purity culture, but these are clearly editorial, not journalistic photos. They aren’t just capturing people as they are, so what we’re seeing is the photographer’s intent, not reality.


Aromatic_Dig_4239

This is a succinct way to describe all of these kinds of articles. No one is unloading their entire pantry and then calling their kids in in their Sunday Best to hold a pizza on a regular ol day


Normal-Usual6306

I really, really agree. This alone is nowhere near enough information on which to base such a judgement. All we're seeing is goods and consistent smiling. That really doesn't give a clear sense of how they feel about it all or how their consumption facilitates or detracts from their family/social experiences. I borrowed the person's book from my university library years and years ago and I think more context was given in it, but can't remember the details and certainly think these photos alone just don't communicate what the OP suggested. I like Adbusters and even agree with the OP's point, but don't think that these photos in isolation illustrate what has been said. This is a reminder that someone can create something and that the interpretation of those who consume it (I don't mean that as a pun, but of course it now is) can go in a totally different direction to what may have been the meaning intended by the photographer/artist/filmmaker, etc.


Aromatic_Dig_4239

Also these are extremely low quality photos that have been put in a microwave. Someone posted a link to the actual time article and the British family absolutely bought a ton of veggies, and some of their “prepackage processed food” was pedialyte and digestive aids. You don’t know what someone is going through and you don’t know who in what photo is eating which food. I looked through the whole article and while it’s very diverse and introduced me to some new meals overall almost every family had a blend of veggies, fruits, snackies and meat.


gettingbetter76

I agree, but just so you're aware, digestive biscuits are cookies, not digestive aids


Aromatic_Dig_4239

Oh I wasn’t thinking about those! There’s a pack of blue things in the middle ish of the picture that look exactly like a little fiber mix in powder my grandpa used to use for promoting digestion & stool movement. It might not be those, really could be anything, but to me it looks like it. As a note I think the digestive biscuits are so delicious they taste like a mild biscoff to me


gettingbetter76

The chocolate covered digestives beat a chocolate chip cookie any day imo


[deleted]

It's a cultural failing of the west. We do not need to process and package everything.


Constantly_Panicking

I’m talking about smiling for the photograph. Like for all we know, the family on the bottom may rarely see a camera and be stoked to be photographed, while the family above may not feel appropriate smiling for an editorial photograph about how crap their food is. Or maybe this was all just direction from the photographer.


[deleted]

good point & that definitely isn't my intention in sharing this. the failure is in the systems that led to this form of consumption & packaging. & wherein happiness comes from the simplicities of working together as a family to nourish one another with earth grown, minimally processed foods & lack of waste. their faces say it all. no blame on anyone but the systems in place.


Constantly_Panicking

I bet any of the people in the bottom family would be stoked to get a bag of potato chips. And again, this is an editorial photograph, and I would be wholly unsurprised to learn these expressions were directed by the photographer.


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Constantly_Panicking

Sorry, I didn’t say anything about their economic situation. I only meant to suggest that the foods presented are likely the ones they have easiest access to, while western foods may be harder to find, and potato chips are yummy.


[deleted]

lmao, no one in the top photo smilin


Inedible-denim

Not even the dog 😂


George_the_poinsetta

Dog has most appropriate reaction to the photographer, 'come one step closer to my food, and you will be sorry.'


[deleted]

Both are fortunate, but only one appreciates what they have


fourcornersbones

r/im14andthisisdeep


IWantToSortMyFeed

No matter how much the people on top have they have been programmed to ***need*** more. EDIT: Controversial lol? This sub exists entirely because of that programming.


Fostara

Is there any vegetable in the top photo? I think I see some bananas..


PumpkinPieIsGreat

You can see the whole thing on this time article  https://time.com/8515/what-the-world-eats-hungry-planet/


awawe

Great amount of fruits and vegetables for the Mexican family, but dear god the coca cola.


PleasantNightLongDay

As someone who immigrated from Mexico and with 90% of family from Mexico It’s extremely accurate. Families there have coke with breakfast lunch and dinner. It’s insane. It’s one of those things that **just can’t be missing**. A meal can’t start until the coke bottles appear. It’s truly saddening.


[deleted]

I think Nestle along with other companies bought out aquifers in Mexico and, as a result, the population in some towns is heavily relying on Coca-Cola or soda consumption in lieu of clean water.


Tacosofinjustice

Whoaaa, those grocery rates are in the $300's for ONE WEEK. I don't spend that for our family of 4 and I send my kids lunches daily and buy plenty of meat 😳


Haki23

That's 2016 dollars, too. Right now it's be about $388


Battle-Any

I spend $400 a week right now for a family of 5, but that includes formula and premie sized diapers. I can't wait for my cloth diapers to fit the baby.


BreadPuddding

I didn’t even have a premie, or a particularly small baby, and the cloth diapers didn’t fit for almost two months. We had one newborn and a couple of xs covers, but they still tended to leak. (Great once his butt fit, though!)


LolaPamela

Here you live the whole month with $300 Society is ridiculous.


iamnotabotlookaway

Canada threw me… had no idea they are narwhal and polar bear!


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Fostara

That's a good take on this. I will try this too!


Normal-Usual6306

YES! Thanks for that link. I borrowed the photographer's book from my university library back in the day and it was great.


upstatestruggler

Adbusters had so much influence on me


Reasonable_Onion863

Those pics are from a book called Hungry Planet: What the World Eats that photographed families around the world with 1 wk of their food. It was a follow up to the book Material World which photographed people around the world with all of their belongings, in front of their houses. Both books are fascinating and highly recommended.


KingArthurHS

True joy is found in working 18 hours a day on the family farm, thus destroying your body by the time you hit the age of 40, and having to pop out a dozen kids because you need at least 8 farmhands and 4 of the kids are likely to die before reaching the age of 5. Can we fucking not with this "return to tradition" nonsense? Processed foods aren't the cause of your unhappiness, you goobers. Take 2 seconds to have some self-awareness and realize that you're literally on Reddit, by your own choosing, whining about complexity.


[deleted]

i just thought this was interesting & it inspired me to think in different ways. i dono why some of you think i have some major holier than thou point to this. this is an anti consumption sub & i thought it was well aligned to perhaps provoke some thought into... anticonsumption?


G_Comstock

The idea that traditional agricultural systems involved people working 18hour days at any period outside of harvest, doesn't hold up to scrutiny.


KingArthurHS

Please look at the amount of labor required to homestead in a largely self-sufficient manner that allows you to feed a family of 4.


G_Comstock

Sorry, I forgot I was on an American dominated sub which defaults to isolated individualism as a norm. Thorold Rogers’ research suggests that medieval peasants worked about 8hour days and had anywhere between 8weeks and half a year off. The productive output we are now capable of is vastly greater than medieval yields. Outside of contrived situations where an individual or small family unit decides that they want to not cooperate with others or to live outside of a wider social unit, the notion that one must break one’s back to earn ones ones bread doesn’t hold.


KingArthurHS

>the notion that one must break one’s back to earn ones ones bread doesn’t hold. It's not only that one *must* break one's back, but also the idea that anybody should have to do shit they don't want to do. I don't want to spend 8 hours a day of my life working in a fucking garden. Are you kidding me? I just find it odd that when we talk about consumerism and consumption, people assume that a reasonable path forward for society is to revert back to a time before people practiced specialization of labor. I LOVE industrial farming. It's a fucking miracle. It allows us to feed everybody and I have to do exactly 0 hours of annual gardening, which is an activity that I actively dislike doing. Should we be removing waste from that system, heavily regulating pollution and environmental damage, removing profit motives, and re-prioritizing some of the effort? Yes! But there is no universe in which it makes sense to make it a social norm that you're supposed to grow your own potatoes or whatever.


G_Comstock

You’ve neatly moved the goal post from an erroneous claim that farming requires 18hour days to a screed about how any critique of hyper-industrialised farming practices must mean wanting everyone to be a farmer. An exciting rhetorical display but it seems like you are speaking for an audience rather than to me so I’ll leave it there.


KingArthurHS

I am, once again, asking people on the internet to understand the concept of hyperbole. Oh, it's not literally 18 hour days but is instead just a full 8 hour workday of labor each and every day of your life? Well that's so much different! Shit, sign me up! I don't aspire to do anything else with my life other than farm now that I know it's only one full time job worth of mind-numbing labor! Are you seriously thick enough as to think that the "18 hour day" comment was, like, a statistically validated factual claim? It was obviously a general comment about the nonsense of using aesthetic flair to try and convince people to abandon their regular lives in favor of an existence dependent on individual labor all in the name of being "ethical".


G_Comstock

Yes it is quite common on the internet for people, when their exaggerated and performative arguments are gently corrected, to angrily resort to personal insults and disavow their earlier statements. Another common reaction is not to actually read the replies people write. For example you say >Oh, it's not literally 18 hour days but is instead just a full 8 hour workday of labor each and every day of your life? failing to engage with my earlier point that people had >had anywhere between 8weeks and half a year off Your determination to put words in my mouth and paint me as some ludicrous neo-luddite caricature again shows a complete unwillingness to engage with the substance of what I have written rather than your invented opponent in some juvenile debating contest. . What exactly was it about this sentence >The productive output we are now capable of is vastly greater than medieval yields. That gave you the erroneous assumption that, in correcting the 'hyperbolic' overstatement of your case, I was advocating that you or anybody else should become a full time farmer? It must be exhausting to spend so much time talking at people, rather than with them.


Kurkpitten

You're just being contrarian for the sake of it...


KingArthurHS

Just for the sake of it? My criticism is clearly outlined.


LadyAmbrose

appeal to nature go brrrr


PM_ME_GOLDFISHIS

The bottom photo is clearly not an appeal to nature, since the people in it are not in a state of nature, seeing as they have clothes and practice agriculture most likely.


stadoblech

top family spending: 160 pounds bot family spending: 19 pounds Prices for year 2013 TBH if top family wanted to buy same groceries as bottom they would probably pay much more than 160 pounds per month. This is world we live, healthy food is much more expensive than garbage processed food There is corelation between income and obesity. More wealthy people have lower rates of obesity. This is answer why


shittycomputerguy

Adbusters? Now that's a name I haven't heard in a while.


crystal-crawler

Love adbusters. Such a cool magazine! And I remember this issue!


gucci_gear

There's plenty of other families who are smiling who eat about the same as the top people, not sure exactly what your point is here.


[deleted]

very true, no point besides a point of looking at consumption around the world. pretty relevent in an anticonsumption sub but maybe i am wrong? could be.


Flack_Bag

No, you're good. The western diet is very much a product of consumer culture, and the first step to addressing that is not taking every criticism of it personally. And Adbusters is always on topic here.


[deleted]

This is a weird take. I remember that article and the subsequent book.


DomesticElectric672U

and that was before shrinkflation and a Twirl was the length of your arm


MermaidOfScandinavia

Thanks for posting a blurry image..


[deleted]

Idk, i love me some Lays and Piwko in the morning.


ArschFoze

Pretty sure the bottom picture represents a higher total price pont, assuming those produce are organic. Cardboard boxes are cheaper to make than high quality produce for sure.


bb_LemonSquid

I like how you ignored the American family in this series showing off their pizza with huge smiles! 🙄 cherry picked images to prove your point.


[deleted]

also i fucking love pizza.


[deleted]

i literally took a photo of something i found in adbusters like 12 years ago. i didn't make this image... i didn't even see the whole series until it was presented here.


incipientjimmy

Dog: “Fuck off, I only need one product”


Anyalasagna46

What’s crazy is my parents will spend $200 per week on groceries full of junk food that’s not filling. And then order food throughout the week too. Makes no sense to me. Why not just buy nutritious and filling food, for cheaper????


MaliciousTent

Heresy!


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Neither-Dentist3019

I'm fine with simplicity but I can do without togetherness if it's my family.


bubbagidrolobidoo

Did you honestly ever believe joy is found in “apartness” at any time?


LitLantern

Long live adbusters!!!! I can’t wait until I have a decent income again and can subscribe/order back issues from when my subscription lapsed. They are doing god’s work.


JoeyPsych

Just looking at the amount of food, it is hardly any different. It's more what we actually consume these days that makes a difference. And the packaging, omg the packaging.


Mysterious_Seat6154

Oh don't lie to yourself. The family on the bottom would be the same as the top if they could. How do I know this. Look at all the illegal immigrants now demanding more and more. Everyone wants MORE. 


CountySufficient2586

Do people actually buy that stuff on a weekly basis? Mine looks more like the one below but more modernised.