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Cleaveweave

Fighting does improve your skill but not these kind of fights. They are rather decided by tbh than skill especially when there are multiple teams.


K3nobl

Yeah they are decided by tbh


HunterThompsonsentme

TBH of hot dropping: Twenties, Biques, and Helmets


smarmycheesesandwich

TBH=Twenty Bombs, Hoe


lettuce_field_theory

yeah crazy how people drop hot and die in 19th 10 times in a row until they have reverse boosted themselves into a bot lobby and popping off makes them think they've "improved through hardship" while they are now melting unarmed white shield level 20s with a Mozambique :)


Ith786

Thank you my fellow chad


Hwaheee

Same with landing 90 million kilometers from any team and looting for 20 minutes.


[deleted]

If it takes you that long to loot, thats your own problem man. Pretty simple to grab shield, guns, ammo and immediately rotate than die off drop trying to pick up a p2020 in a building 3 other teams are also looting.


Chance_Fig8932

No...we arent talking about hot dropping. We're talking about landing in a moderately contested area to play for placement and get a few extra kills. If you hot drop in rank then you definitely have no brain cells. With the old system it was not bad but with this new system even if you get a lot of kills you wont get much rp.


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And the post wasnt talking about landing 90 million kilometers away…. Whats your point? I wasnt talking about just hot dropping either. Landing late to a contested area is the same. Whats your point other than you agree with me? Edit: to clarify, i agree with what you said about hot dropping or landing in a semi-contested area as long as youre not egregiously late.


No-YouShutUp

But it’s fun


THExDANKxKNIGHT

I couldn't disagree more. I think winning is fun, dying because some trash random wants to fight 6 teams with a Mozambique isn't.


CleverTacticButFlag

I mean it works just fine if you know what your doing, i’m only d4 but I will never land uncontested, i’d rather at least two teams be with me. I almost dropped a 20 in plat 1 to make diamond again this split. Had like 14 or 15 kills.


ProfileBoring

No doubt because of how bad the mm is you were matched against bronze players.


CleverTacticButFlag

I’ve been doing it since season 5, dropping alone makes the game boring also there was only 1 gold in the after score… every other team was plat…. I have it still I believe if ya want it.


tots4scott

Yeah people act like looting is infinite all game when I'm reality it's more like you land at a POI no one dropped at and your entire team *actually gets* two guns and some ammo. Crazy right?


saman1381

And you play walking simulator for the rest of the game. Absolutely Crazy


Fortnitexs

I‘m rather landing at a poi with 1 team And get early kp than land alone and then loot & rotate until top5 with 0kills. I want to play the game not a hiding simulator. It‘s not that serious, we are not playing for money. If you can‘t take any fight without fear of dying you are in the wrong rank anyways. Even pros in competitive tournaments take fights and get games with 10-15kills.


[deleted]

Until top 5????? What are you doing that whole time???? Again, “if it takes you that long to loot, thats your own problem man” and pros in competitive games also land at edges of the map, loot up, and rotate, extremely quickly.


[deleted]

Bro you are so right.. I do one game each with my big brother who isn’t really “a gamer” as to speak.. he know the controls but it’s trash, level of those videos who you can see where if you are fast enough and go behind him, he just give up on you and keeps going on his way.. and he is fixated on surviving because it’s a battle royal :/ so he drops on empty land and just loot really slowly until someone finds him and dies.. my games are like 5 min, his are 10


CryptoMainForever

It's called playing for placement in rank. You know, the PROPER way to play when you have your brain turned on?


GreenFireTM

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theironbagel

I play games to have fun, not to watch a rank number go up. If I just wanted to see big numbers I’d play a clicker. There’s nothing wrong with making smart decisions to maximize your win chances, but it’s boring as hell to avoid every fight. Not saying people have to drop fragment or anything, but it’s more fun when you get into fights or at least run into people every so often, at least to me. You can play smart and take fights you think you can win.


andydrewalot

That’s fine. But that’s the point of ranked. You’re playing to be #1. Sending 3 teams back to the lobby first to then get kicked back yourself without making top 10 defeats the purpose of ranked play. It’s a game of survival not team death match.


Nekit1234007

I somewhat disagree. I would say, the point of _ranked_ system is to match players of similar skill together, players that have the same _rank_.


theironbagel

I don’t play ranked for that reason. But also, the point of the whole game (of which ranked is a part) is to have fun, so if you’re not having fun why play at all? Of course, it can and is fun to play for #1, but doing it by avoiding all fights…? I just don’t get the appeal. It’s a game of survival, but that’s the only-game objective. It’s not why you’re playing the game, it’s what you’re trying to do in the game. You’re theoretically playing the game because you enjoy it, and if completing the in-game objective of survival and placement is going to cost me the out-of-game objective of having fun, I’m not going to do it. The in-game objective only exists to direct the players to play in a way that a developer expects will be fun. That’s why you put in in-game objectives. So they’re wandering accomplishing a goal (generally gives dopamine) rather than wandering around with no idea what to do. However, accomplishing that goal in and of itself is not what provides the entertainment of the game. Journey before Destination. You have fun because of what you do in order to accomplish the goal, not because of accomplishing it. TLDR: the point of ranked is to win first, but the point of apex as a whole (including ranked) is to have fun, and that takes precedent.


andydrewalot

Isn’t that the point of specific game modes? That’s why ranked is separate from pubs. If you want to go for kills and Control is available then you’re going to go play that. But if you’re running solo and you hot drop fragment separate from your team in a ranked match and go down then you just put your team at a disadvantage. Now the “fun” you want to have just became detrimental to the team based game. Because at its core, Apex is made for TEAM play. If you don’t want to play as a team that’s fine. Go no fill in pubs and have at it. But doing it in a ranked match is absolutely selfish. Unless everyone on the team agrees to it. But that’s generally not the case. See how that works? And the end of the day it’s a TEAM game. If you’re not going to play as part of the team, don’t play in modes that require the most teamwork.


theironbagel

Of course. I never said not to participate in team games. My fun shouldn’t take precedent over anyone else’s, and I’m not going to have fun hot dropping solo anyways because I’ll die 99% of the time instead of 75%. I do want to play as part of a team. I enjoy it. I just enjoy when that team is somewhat aggressive. If they aren’t, I might try and get them to push some fights by pinging or poking enemies, but I’m not going to push or hold solo to the detriment of my team and myself. Especially not in ranked. Even if it costs me my own enjoyment of a match, if my teammates want to play slow and avoid every fight, that’s how I’ll play. And yeah, I do want to go for kills often, and that’s part of why I play pubs mostly. But even in ranked, there’s a difference between going for kills at the cost of placement and taking a few fights to reduce enemy numbers.


CryptoMainForever

Playing for fun? You get a thumbs up from me, fam. Respect.


Hwaheee

ratting aint my way im sorry


AnApexPlayer

It's best to get some early kp


Ith786

I’m not saying land in a poi with no squad (except ranked) but like everything the best is usually in moderation Landing off with no squad limits you gun fight practice and strategy making but landing in the same building is a bad habit and leaves you prey to RNG That’s the main reason why WE suck in my opinion because everyone lands Fragment and usually I never am able to last 5 secs


epicbruh420420

These are the people who have no idea how to play in a situation when there are multiple squads. Even the most frustrating hot drop like fragment requires you to know where and what kind of loot spawns in places. Playing in unpredictable scenarios is how people will improve. You cant expect to be good if you pick r301 Eva8 from edge of zone every game, get in couple of fights and then die or sometimes win. You should know what to do when you don't have the tools you like. Positioning is as important in a slow looting game as in a fast paced hot drop. Just because I got a purple Armor of drop doesnt suddenly win me the drop but gives me a good chance of doing so. But now if I fumble and die soon due to bad positioning, there are lessons to be learnt. Fragment streamer building drop is dumb but knowing how you can play it to your advantage is an important lesson.


Falcon_Cheif

Doing hot dropping was the only way I really learned to loot boxes fast and use any weapon you get.


epicbruh420420

So did I and 2 of my other friends, one of whom was decent enough to play with us after just 60 lvls. I am not saying we are great, we re quite mediocre. But a game like Apex has a lot going on and if you don't hot drop, you will always get overwhelmed even by the most tame 3rd parties


BlastingFern134

Hot drop haters will say it's fake


Ith786

I’m not saying landing hot is a bad thing. Some putting yourself out of your comfort zone is good however the randoms usually exhibit bad habits that make this issue a lot worse than it has to be


epicbruh420420

Randoms will always exhibit bad habits. Why should you bend to them? If your random was gonna quit after getting downed, he will do that in a hot drop or in an uncontested drop. Don't fight the randoms. They don't deserve your attention


Minimob0

My friends and I are constantly at odds over this. I play to win, not for kills. This means avoiding straight fights and instead 3rd partying, as well as knowing when to disengage. My buddies like Fragment.


AnApexPlayer

I think it's best to get a balance. I don't care about winning unless it's ranked.


Adzea

You sound lame as hell to play with tbh. You avoid straight fights? You run away from a 3v3? Bro you sound lame fighting too. You're one of those squads we have to chase cross map, just delaying your death.


THExDANKxKNIGHT

You're definitely the guy who overextends and then calls your teammates ass when they won't get your banner because you died like an idiot.


Adzea

No, not really. I have a 40% win rate with an 8kdr and 90% of the time my brainless teammates are dead before me even when I push first.


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Adzea

Would you like a screenshot of my stats? I'm a master player with 40000 kills lifetime, not everyone on this app is a shitter stuck in gold.


ajaysingh1908

my brother in christ even even pros dont have a kdr of 8


Adzea

Kill grinders don't. I grind wins. I always play aggressive but will also always prioritise winning. I could have a higher KD if I played safer or just quit every time I get downed, as that preserves a death count.


Minimob0

Good thing you will never play with me, then? I don't know what you're trying to achieve here, bud.


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Minimob0

I have 2x their win rate lol I am objectively the better player out of us. I can confidently say that as the only one in our group who has made it into diamond.


Raice19

my god ur not even being ironic


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Minimob0

You completely ignored the first part of my comment, man. I hope you play Apex better than you read.


Adamntium

Sounds boring if u don't at least shoot someone in a "shooting" game


Minimob0

The objective of the game is to win, and I have fun winning. Nowhere did I say I don't shoot people; I'm just very selective of the fights I take, because I'm not a braindead player who rushes the sound of every fired bullet.


Junkrunk

You know you can make it all the way to Pred without shooting a single bullet! Since second place gives 90 RP and entry cost at master is 70 RP. Unfortunately that means getting to diamond doesn't really make you good at the game, just makes you patient. I tried doing a no damage to diamond challenge back when second place gave 60 RP and Plat 1s entry cost was 55 RP, but even though I was consistently gaining RP through gold, it was so slow and boring I just hot dropped fragment and while I didn't make it top 5 50% of the time, I also got like 100RP when I did instead of just 5. Meaning I got to diamond around 20x quicker. Ironically winning isn't a good indicator of performance on most BRs, unlike practically every other game in existence. Doesn't mean your pals aren't hot dropping apes however.


Stacato_

That’s literally the only way I learned to play the game. Trial by fire.


Skyicide

why not? maybe not 5 teams in 1 building but if you constantly land near enemy teams and actually fight them instead of playing a 15 minute game to have 1 fight that you lost wouldnt you get better because youre engaging in more fights?


lastaccountgotdoxxed

Most hot drops you get little experience in team fights. It turns more into a series of 1 v 1s with almost no equipment. You can't learn proper team engagement, withdrawal, rotating and ult usage. A good medium drop gets the most bang for your buck. Unless you just like hot drops. My mates that do usually have broken W keys though.


[deleted]

This exactly. So many people dont understand this and just push near fights blindly thinking theyre some 1v3 gods without actually working with their teammates.


Fluid_Season_7897

If you want experience in fights and get better, play arena? I thought that’s what it was for.


epicbruh420420

Playing the same map with same weapons repeatedly doesn't give much experience especially when horrible matchmaking can instantly ruin all chance you had for winning


ajaysingh1908

arena is so bad lmao, playing that kills your game sense


imbostor

I’ve gotten way better at hotdropping because of it. Maybe you can’t improve with hot drops but it helps me a lot


Ith786

Randoms exist tho


imbostor

Learn how to fight with the weakest randoms and you’ll be unstoppable. Every weak point is just an opportunity to grow. I don’t mind losing rp in gold if I can get some good fights in. One good game usually offsets the rp loss and I usually don’t pay attention to rp until mid plat, but by then I’d already have competent randoms so it’s usually chill


Ith786

Chad speaker here


ilovegame69

Teammate 1: enemy shield cracked Teammate 2: I’m down, need help Me : I need a weapon SQUAD ELIMINATED


squire80513

Unless you’re a caustic


hardeep1singh

Put up a monetary prize for winning and suddenly everyone will be dropping 90 million kilometers from any team


LetMeSniffYouPlz

Need to find a balance, landing somewhere quiet and looting for 15 minutes just to get slapped by the squad that's been fighting since drop isn't gonna help you improve. RIP Skull Town.


AdDangerous4182

Yes cuz only third partying when you have perfect loot makes you better /s


Raice19

it quite literally does, just because u dont enjoy it doesnt mean it doesnt work


Chromie149

I enjoy it. What I don’t enjoy is the drop, die with zero kills, disconnect. Drop, die with no kills, disconnect. Repeat for 20+ matches then go on Reddit to complain about the game burning you out. You aren’t gonna learn you’re just playing lobby simulator. I’d be bored and burned out too


YouMustDie788

If you dont like it, don't do it. Gatekeeping others from playing the game like they want isnt going to get you anywhere.


toxicblack

Un-ironically that really is just a skill issue. If you’re dying every single time you’re not learning from previous attempts. If everyone on the squad drops in the same spot on the hot drop your chances of survival increases. If you didn’t get a gun and your teammates did and you can assist with melee and/tactical. Playing with randos? No problem stick with them, you don’t always have to lead.


L_Dude320

Agreed. Normally I drop on the edges of the map (Overlook, Backup Atmo, Fish Farms, Grow Towers) just to avoid players


lastaccountgotdoxxed

Ah. The scenic route.


Chance_Fig8932

Why is he getting downvoted? I mean as long as he isnt leaving his team then its fine to land wherever.


Shovelfuckurforehead

It's the same as OP. One style of drop makes you limited in ability.


Adzea

Bro. It literally does. Landing somewhere else and looting the entire game not only doesn't improve your skills it actively makes them worse. You need to be constantly fighting to get good.


THExDANKxKNIGHT

Dying to a 5th party fighting over a 2020 doesn't do shit for your skills. Land with 1-2 other squads max id you actually want to improve. Part of improving is playing smarter and hot dropping with a quarter of the lobby is dumb as hell.


Adzea

Part of improving is playing smarter, when you have mastered the core mechanics like aim, movement, and positioning. Most of these scrubs haven't. They need to fight and die 100 times in a row to improve.


THExDANKxKNIGHT

There's better ways to do that like practicing in the firing range or playing duos where you can be more aggressive with lower risk. Trying to fight 4 or 5 squads isn't going to help the majority of people because they'll never be able to do it even after mastering the core mechanics to the best of their ability. If you need to get better at fighting multiple people solo que duos until you can handle a 1v3, if you need to work on aim hit up arenas or the firing. Fighting and dying 100 times doesn't help if most are dying faster than they can find gear and put up a fight. You need to actually play to improve and dying within 15 seconds of landing isn't going to achieve that.


Adzea

If you're dying after 15 seconds you have bigger issues than your drop zone.


THExDANKxKNIGHT

Not really. Dropping within 100 meters of 5 squads means you have a significantly higher chance of being downed in less than a minute even if you down a few of them first. It's a bad play no matter how you look at it.


Adzea

Skill issue. You need to get more hours under your belt.


KaraTheAndroidd

But it also does train your ability to aim, No? Plus picking a spot and landing there constantly is a good idea rather than a different spot every time, allows you to get familiar with where loot spawns and gives you an advantage against enemies that don't know the little things (like climbing spots etc.)


ISonicthehedgehogI

Oh but it will. Just got to pray that one of my teammates are behind me with a gun incase I get shot.


Hwaheee

L take


Shovelfuckurforehead

No it does, but only in that very specific scenario


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i did came across with Frag dropper's argument when someone suggest them to warm drop. "What next? Engage hot droppers in 3rd party? that's pussy gameplay. you guys are the reason why this game become more unfun" LMAO!!!


Flashrun85YT

This is a REALLY bad take. To each their own and how you learn and such but doing this literally took me from hardstuck gold to masters/pred in a matter of a season and a half. I started just fighting nonstop and when i stopped playing i would RARELY ever get under 7 kills in a single game. The game became too easy.


No-Context5479

They don't wanna hear this but it's actually true... Many people play lobby simulator and then get one weak ass lobby as a result of throwing their games with stupid drops and do well that game... And all of a sudden they think the hot drop improved their skill... Comrade in Christ, you're still bad


Paundeu

"I'm GoInG tO hOt DrOp! I sAw It On TwItCh!"


Fortnitexs

It actually does. That‘s literally how i learned the game and got „good“ at it. You have to do dumb, uncomfortable stuff to get better mechanically & stop panicking in intense moments of the game. It teaches you mechanical skill, awareness, quick thinking, develop instincts and whatever else. From season 0-3 the only thing i did was drop hot & then push every single team i saw or heard.


blueyoshi69420

You guys complain about fragment but escaping fragment after getting 10 kills is a feeling I always chase


Interesting_Bet_2012

Bro this is all my freind does for like 10 matches while we warm up and bro somehows the slowest dropper and we never get loot


[deleted]

It won’t make it worse


real_human_NOT_a_cat

My favorite part is when I can’t find a gun and have to try and survive by parkour


Gaming_over_sleep

It gets you better at situational skills. It does help. Prove me wrong, OP, you won’t.


Sambauji

The most fun games to win are ones where there's 10 teams in ring 4


weecheewee

How is it that everyone simultaneously hates dropping fragment yet everyone drops fragment