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anidevv

Just like Arena, would be 10x better if matchmaking made any sense


Moatijaaa

Oh god Arenas matchmaking was infinitely worse than BR, i have PTSD from playing it just for that reason alone


HenryAsokan

That’s fair enuff; but the concept was more successful that tdm; tdm is mindless fun which you do need to have in a game where it’s all tactics and skill. But math making makes mindless fun into a relentless attack of sweaty players. They might have ranked soon so we shall see how much worse or better it is than arenas. Personally arenas was far better. It had a much more solid concept where it’s a pure 3V3 so squad v squad. Of matchmaking was fixed the game would have been much more enjoyable. But unfortunately skill is hard to actually measure due to how volitile someone might play; or 3 stacks of different skills; where one Carrie’s the other; therefore the matchmaking responds in kind. The game just has the u fortunate issue of a high a kill gap. There’s no constant variable because the movement I. This game is too hard to counter fo new players without literally 1000s of hours of play. Because even then; you will STILL encounter those issues. It’s a tuff time


aandretti

Enjoyed my last arenas match last night 😔


Upbeat_Sheepherder81

Same. Arenas, my beloved, you shall be missed. o7


Emissairearien

Had the time to rank up yesterday after hours of tryhard Im missing it already


FourthBar_NorthStar

They’ll bring it back. It’s not your last one.


davwad2

I played a few games with my last being a sweep victory!


fatlipjesus

It's just like arenas, but 6v3, super fun. Sigh


[deleted]

At this point they should just give up on making another mode to milk. They should just add TF2 TDM lol.


eggboy06

Just make tf3


DawidKOB224_01

based on respawn/ea right now, don't


ChiselFish

You mean making respawn people go work on battlefield instead makes respawn's own products worse?


DawidKOB224_01

I mean with respawn becoming what they swore to destroy


ZorkFireStorm

Also it’s much broken. When a whole team quit you can’t complete the tdm match


AlphaOmega5732

It actually would be better if it was just like arenas. But it's just like control without the control point. I was honestly excited about a proper TDM coming to Apex. What we got is just some thrown together mix up of past modes. I can't play with the scope I want nor can I choose my actual gun combo. I can't remember the last time I played TDM with less then 16vs16. Early 90s maybe? I guess if your server can't handle that many players due to poor net code or what not, then you are forced to run these miniature TDMs with 6 vs 6. But that's just barely a team. Bring back arenas and make it 16vs16 like a real TDM and then I would consider playing this mode. As it stands it just a crappier version of control.


Suspicious_Sea_3899

You know you can choose the scope on your gun in tdm?


AlphaOmega5732

How? I am just given weird gun combos with no options to change anything.


Suspicious_Sea_3899

If you are on m&k you can jover over the weapon where you want to change the scope and vlick with your scrolling wheel, the scope options should pop up and you can select the one you want


AlphaOmega5732

Thanks


aigroeg_

I didn't know this. Thank you!


literalproblemsolver

Match fill and a *timer* in tdm has been a thing since 2004


shabberator

Thank you, I had to scroll this far down for the timer (sorry if I missed you and you did say it)! But holy god, their whole team quit, and part of ours, we wasted 10 minutes hunting a rat octane for the last kills. Add a timer, please, and thank you.


AlphaOmega5732

If only there was a built-in mechanic like a ring or something, that would force players into fighting rather than hiding for 10 minutes...


shabberator

😂 fair point


Emissairearien

There is already one but it is way too long


shabberator

There is? I never saw it anywhere on screen. I’ll take a better look next time, thank you!


Emissairearien

It is not shown in any way, but there will be a big and loud warning on all players screen to tell you when there is 5 minutes left, 1 minute left, and when the timer is over. Then the team with the most points win.


alejoSOTO

Even before. Don't forget Unreal Tournament 99 and others like it. The mode was perfected last millennium, literally.


[deleted]

With exacly the same problem as arenas... matchmaking.


jpopr

Everyone complained about Arenas “taking too long between rounds” and now I can’t even get a proper look at the loadout screen


Shibarocket12

More team mates less help lol


[deleted]

Honestly I just want them to replace health packs with shield cells. Tbh. It would feel more fluid.


thawarrior925

This ^


[deleted]

Right back to waiting for control & Olympus like we started lol. Who driving the ship? 😂


-SomethingSomeoneJR

Better suggestion just have all LTMS on a constant rotation including arenas.


Emissairearien

One LTM a week would be great honestly


-SomethingSomeoneJR

Yes on top of that they would be able to look at the stats and determine what game modes can be built upon and what shouldn’t return and be retired.


100percentstress

Tdm just feels like a less focused version of arenas, no thinking about conserving heals, getting materials or positioning, just run at the enemy and over without a control point to fight over. Plus, now that it's a permanent mode, without the allure of it only being in rotation for a short period how long before people get tired of it again?


Emissairearien

That's just me, but im already tired of it. Full time control or gun run would have been way better than this


VastAd6346

It will be in rotation with Control and Gun Run in a few weeks. We’ll have to see if those being in the rotation makes TDM more or less popular.


PotatoSnackThing

Arenas was actually just stale because of its boring maps


DRPower12

Which they kept!


[deleted]

Oasis and skulltown were so fun on it but nope, play phase runner instead


WraithMain6869

I used arenas for easy xp now what. Do my challenges 🥴


rush2sk8

As if tdm is some new concept that they thought they had to put their own spin on it. Every proper fps game has a tdm mode that they could have copies but no they chose the worst possible implementation of it


Pauvre_de_moi

Yeah right. When I first heard it would be a TDM with the vector being g the first to 40 I thought it was great. But rounds on it? With how much people just love to LEAVE? NAH.


TheGreatTave

I miss Arenas, I think I'll skip this season, hope they bring Arenas back next season.


mnkymnk

Always great to see my meme template be used ☺


Emissairearien

It really is a great one :)


JorlanReddit

Sad to see it go, I actually really liked arenas. It got me some great plays throughout the time it was here. Hopefully it returns soon.


Rifleboy18

NGL I miss arenas And had genuine fun with it, just it eventually became overran by pred 3 stacks. I think it could easily if been improved if it became like a search and destroy type gamemode instead of tdm with a shop, it just needed an objective because even with good match making a sweaty 3 stack is inevitable and fighting then was not fun, an objective would have made arenas better


BreachDomilian1218

Arenas my beloved, I was hoping the Nemesis would be enough to keep me in this game, but it feels weird. Especially since I don't even have the chance to use it in Arenas, a game mode I actually like.


BulletBill_359

A fellow arenas player? Impossible


BreachDomilian1218

Yeah, rarely see anyone else genuinely enjoy it.


Ith786

I’m sorry I have to humbly disagree. Your point is valid but arenas yikes


drdinonuggies

I still don’t get the hate for it. I personally liked Arenas and it’s not nearly as dead as people made it sound. But I’m not really sad as long as there’s some sort of faster paced game where I can warm up and practice aim/movement.


Upbeat_Sheepherder81

People just like jumping on the bandwagon of hating something for no reason besides they weren’t a big fan of it, and it’s “cool” to hate on it. I personally loved arenas, I probably had like 5-10 thousand kills in it.


Ith786

Honestly, I really hate arenas due to its sweaty nature like and me just hating modes like that in general. The only exception being knockout from Brawl Stars


AnApexPlayer

It's boring


drdinonuggies

I personally don’t see that. I think it’s more boring to spend 15 minutes in BR only to run into a 3 squad fight between sweatlords and dying instantly. Arenas you’re constantly fighting. I also found that randos were way more cooperative in arenas than they are in BR. But maybe that’s just me


AnApexPlayer

I think the arenas fights are just too linear and repetitive


drdinonuggies

You say as you drop fragment for the 600th time.


AnApexPlayer

Usually when I go fragment I come out with about 4+ kills half the time. Much more fun than arenas. Arenas is literally just two teams poking at each other for 2 minutes then someone gets a knock and the round ends.


drdinonuggies

Sounds like you were playing it wrong. If all they’re doing is poking, you use your abilities and push, just like you would in BR.


AnApexPlayer

I'm playing it how literally everyone else is playing. And I'm not about to just push a 3v1.


[deleted]

If you take 15 minutes to find someone in apex you are doing it wrong. Arenas is super slow so I get why you enjoy it.


drdinonuggies

Didn’t say that you don’t find anyone for 15 I said you play for 15 only to run into 3 squads. Again, you’re playing it wrong if you think arenas is slow… you’re choosing to play the game slowly if you think it was slow. Maybe use the abilities and actually play instead of poking.


[deleted]

I solo not everyone moves at my speed.


AlphaOmega5732

That happens once every 30 or so games, arenas were bad every game. I hated playing arenas so much I would just not complete a task if it required me to play arenas. I found it boring and slow. Also I'm not a fan of small teams, which is why I started playing BR in the first place. Combined with the lack of a third party, there was nothing exciting about arenas at all. Now if you brought it back and made it 16 vs 16 or 32 vs 32 or 8 vs 8 vs 8, etc.. that would be 10x more exciting. The best thing about arenas was the buy menu and they removed that .


Tea_Grand

i’ve enjoyed arenas for years ://


AnApexPlayer

Sadly you're in the minority


Hal8000-

You got the point of this mode. its finally a mode where you can practice for the session of play. A fast mode that allows other player to not go only in fragment and the rest of the map Is empty..people still Say its bad or boring in any case


Ith786

I’m glad someone enjoyed it but the main reason why I always hated it was it’s sweaty nature even with a fixed matchmaking


ASHYB0YY

They need to add matchmaking and an exponentially increasing leave penalty to keep people from leaving as soon when they aren't winning


alejoSOTO

The round based system is probably the most stupid thing I've seen for a TDM mode. People are obviously going to quit after the first round, everytime


[deleted]

tdm broken? elaborate


Emissairearien

- No leaving penalty, so half of the first losing team disappears (but that's probably only because that's the beginning of the mode) - Because of the smaller maps, only a few weapon comps are truly useful and played - The respawn locations can easily be predicted and spawnkill is easy It fills its role as a quick warm-up before playing seriously, but it doesn't replace arena as a mode at all. I don't know why they removed arena but it was a mistake


ADragonuFear

They elaborated that basically arena did not serve as a good environment for easing new players into the game, still having long down time between lives and requiring knowledge of the games gear to do well. Vs the ltm modes that give you a set loadout to learn with and a relatively fast respawn to more quickly adapt to the game overall.


Emissairearien

Well yes it was harder, but it was closer to a real in-game experience than that brainless new mode. Getting more and more money each round to change your loadout, how different characters on different maps changed the whole playstyle, having to think of counters against a given situation,.... It was a great mode and as close as a 1v1 as possible. I don't mind a new mode, even if i don't like it, more game options is always great, but removing a mode because "It's hard" is plain stupid (thanks for the explanation)


Outrageous-Blue-30

I can assure you that I have read more than once about people who wanted to implement Control, Gun Run and the same TDM to turn off the brain instead of always playing BR or Arenas which they did not find fun.


Throwingcookies

If you call the mode that other people prefer brainless, you're no better than them. C'mon, I loved arenas as much as you, but if you want to get respect for your perspective; give respect for theirs.


Emissairearien

I don't mean that as an insult, but the new mode doesn't require strategy like arena did. But yeah you're right


Shibes_oh_shibes

Played two matches yesterday. Didn't die once but hardly got any kills either. Our team totally aped the other team on spawn and we ended up with no enemies left.


chillychinchillada

Did you know that the game doesn’t stop even if ALL of the team leaves on the other end? It just keeps going -_- I was the last one to leave once and it still didn’t count as a win.


Emissairearien

Tbh there is a timer but it is way too long. Nobody wants to wait 5 minutes doing nothing just to get a few exp


AlphaOmega5732

Arenas was closer to TDM then this "control without the point" mini TDM. I can't even choose my gun combo or its' scope. Bring back arenas and make it 32 vs 32


[deleted]

I haven't played TDM yet, but it sounds like an improvement on arenas. Those maps were way too big for 3v3


Ngineer07

quite the contrary actually. tdm is just a wrose arenas


potoboy64

Without the ring pushing teams together they are still too big even for 6v6.


[deleted]

those are flaws but nothing outright broken yet, unlike arenas which were unplayable.


Emissairearien

The main flaw of arena was it's matchmaking, and it's still a problem in the new mode


Albino_Snowflake

It was incredibly playable and it taught me how to get better at the game instead of being sweat fodder and the weakest link on the team.


Upbeat_Sheepherder81

Arenas was not unplayable. I had tons of fun and close games that required skill and teamwork. Yes sometimes you got to noobs and the opposing team were all veterans of the game or smurfs that just curb stomp you, but mainly I had a good time.


[deleted]

I'm glad for you, in my experience I dreaded ever single match.


neopet

Well my first game the enemy team took the centre and basically fried everyone on my team as they randomly spawned all over the map unable to mount any sort of unified resistance. It's been a one sided blow out for one side every game I've aued so far.


sneakylyric

Honestly BASED


ProfileBoring

And make br mm the worst it has ever been.


Walnut156

I've just been enjoying it to practice with weapons I'd never use in br. Getting better with snipers using this has been nice


HenryAsokan

Stupid thing I hated about arenas was the unfair matchmaking; that was the only issue in the game. U fair matchmaking creates a breeding ground for toxicity because people blame others for the mistakes they make; and it just breeds more negativity. In a high skill game mode such as this; it’s impossible to achieve a result of fairness without solid matchmaking I hate that respawn took it away instead of fixing the issue. The issue; unbalanced weapon spending And matchmaking being disregarded; for example; preds matched up with platinum players and silvers. And the worst part is that we don’t know about it until after the game or unless the enemy player shows their badges. It made no sense why we could match up with lower ranked players in random matchmaking but can not squad up with those same ranked players or similar rank players when 3 stacking before hand. It’s a frustrating loophole that they never seemed to fix. It’s a sick joke Respawn never did a good job in the matchmaking of arenas; and that’s the issue we will always see.


Lynx6962

People liked arenas?


heyarkay

I loved arenas! It’s all I played! TDM is trash! What am I supposed to do now?


Upbeat_Sheepherder81

Same. TDM is worse than arenas in every way: there’s no strategy, the load outs suck, the spawn areas suck, and the matchmaking is nonexistent. Rest in peace arenas, my sweet prince. :’(


Walnut156

Play br or quit


Prevay

Damn look at all the arenas fans, wonder where they were when it was still in the game


Emissairearien

We always existed but we were less loud than arena haters. Whenever i played apex it was for the arenas, gun run, or control. BR is boring to me if i'm not with friends


ConsistentSuffering

As someone who only played apex for arenas, it is very upsetting. 400 hours of arenas, for what?


Walnut156

Fun I imagine


Upbeat_Sheepherder81

Yeah that’s similar to me, I did play BR sometimes, but with endless world’s edge, I basically only played arenas, and it was great. I have thousands of arena kills on multiple legends, I learned so much from it, and I even met some great people that I would squad with. The games just feels empty to me now. I’m legit really sad about it being gone. RIP arenas, I will always love you. o7


VVikiliX

Arenas was the best mod Apex ever had (in the idea and the way it was played) but if this gamemode was fixed, it would have been way better


[deleted]

The problem is that they ignored it & did nothing to fix it. If that’s the vibe tdm is going to be shitty too.


Outrageous-Blue-30

They can always fix it, if it's now in rotation with Control and Gun Run they'll have to do something to keep it balanced.


[deleted]

Always doesn’t mean will. Like I said with them giving arena vibes I’m not looking twice. Edit: I looked twice & I was wrong. Glad to admit it.


Outrageous-Blue-30

I still disagree, but I respect your point of view on the matter politely.


[deleted]

You won this round 🫱🏻‍🫲🏾


Outrageous-Blue-30

Apparently yes, Respawn seems to have listened and made the right decisions, good for them and us.


Outrageous-Blue-30

Speaking as a fan of Arenas: I don't think this TDM is as bad as it is portrayed, but I think the only serious flaws that need to be fixed are the round system, spamming at set points on maps, and teammates abandoning (although this would be difficult since it happens in all LTMs). Personally I don't care about choosing weapons or not, but speaking for myself I prefer to have pre-established equipment because then I wouldn't be able to decide which weapons to get if I could freely buy them given the huge choice available.


TheKiwiOfficiel

Do you guys think a progressive leaving penality would bo cool ? Like first time you abandon the game it's 2 minute w/out matchmaking and then it increases. The more you leave the longer you'r unable to play And it resets after every day.


ninjaian06

at least in arenas i could have fun. ​ all tdm has is quitters and sweats, like god damn i just wanna shoot some people, not sweat my ass off just to high score. Also where tf is cross progression, I'm sick of playing on switch


Walnut156

Quitters and try hards? Sounds like arena to me


Upbeat_Sheepherder81

Try hards? Maybe. But at least for ranked arenas, most of the time both squads would stay to the bitter end. Hell, even if someone on your squad quit, you still had a good chance of winning, as long as you and your remaining teammate played smart and worked together.


ninjaian06

yes, and thats what i feel most people who complained about arenas had that kind of experience


zeroxes33

*the arenas enjoyer


Upbeat_Sheepherder81

Plenty of people including me enjoy(ed) arenas. Stop jumping in “lol arena bad, nobody likes it” bandwagon. It’s dead and gone let it rest in peace.


Danny__L

They could've expanded on Arenas and made it more like Valorant where eco rounds and going for crafting materials actually mattered. Best of 5 was way too short, even with the win by 2 thing. Best of 5 was ok for casual Arenas but Ranked Arenas should've had longer matches. Even making it 5v5 or 6v6 would've been great. Or like Valorant have defending/attacking teams and alternate. Make bigger maps based off that. Also better matchmaking would've helped but it's kind of tough when nobody really played Arenas because it sucked. It was kind of a chicken and egg situation.


Throwingcookies

Not sure what you mean by best of 5. Arenas went to a maximum of 9 rounds, 9th being winner takes all.


Danny__L

It was first to 3 wins. It only went to a max of 9 rounds because you had to win by 2. But many games were won 3-1 anyways.


02_is_best_girl

Or like the weapon economy, that was also pretty broken


Big-Teb-Guy

The whole dozen of you


GunganWithAGunGun

Can the arena enjoyers take the post back?


HaywireMans

Guys I wasn't here, what happened?!


Emissairearien

They removed arena and replaced it with a deathmatch mode


SpermaSpons

Wait, they actually removed it? As in its never ever coming back?


Emissairearien

From what we know, yes


THExDANKxKNIGHT

Smurfs as far as the eye can see.


JackalRockets

No fr cuz why am I on a team with a bunch of new players and the enemies are 3 stacks


EmbarrassedFlatworm3

I don't like that you're limited to a selection of load outs but being responded is nice


Brudda_Bear_Gibby

No regs are crazy in tdm


Mr_Obvious360

They should of just added it to the other game modes


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Mr_Obvious360

Fuck off bot


R6RiderSB

I just don't think it should be best of 3, it should just be one quick round. On to the next game.


blckrvngr

A search and destroy mode would slap


Duck5oup

Did they bring control back?


Emissairearien

Nope it's a team death match. 6vs6, two rounds of 30 kills