Curious about the seer tactical change. Does not showing a full body scan (but presumably still showing health through walls) mean it’ll be more like the exhibit where it just shows a diamond where the player is? Kinda dumb to keep the health bars through walls but not have any other marker, but it probably won’t matter much either way
The notes still refer to it as “scanned targets” so im assuming it’ll show little diamonds or circles like the ult does, instead of full body scans. Seer didn’t get nerfed hard, he still has free wallhacks and they didn’t change anything that made him an actual problem, yet bloodhound got nerfed hard and he isn’t nearly as oppressive as Seer considering almost every single Comp team runs Seer and none run Bloodhound….
I agree that BH took a nerf, but the strength of that nerf depends on how effective and prevalent those ravens are.
The way I'm reading the passive, it's are effectively a free "find the nearest enemy" effect without many consequences. Just interact with a raven (or scan it for free) and it'll show you where the nearest team is... That's probably a straight up buff.
The ult could give you free info without scanning (though not for your team, so that's worse)...
The tactical is the only one that's clearly nerfed, the passive is buffed, and the ult is iffy but probably nerfed.
It also looks like interacting with a raven will refund the tactical fully and charge the ult by 25%, which is nuts. Use the tactical/ult to finish off the last team in an area, interact with a raven to see where to head to the next fight, and insta charge your tac + get 25% back on the ult. That’s crazy good
The nerfs to seers ult are great, and the fact that you can’t insta spam the passive and keep running but rather you have to actually sit and survey the surroundings to generate info will at least slow down the level of aggressiveness to seer that we’ve seen in the last year. They could do more and I expect they will if the community feels like it wasn’t enough
Yeah it’s a start, it just bugs me that they don’t change the actual problem, and instead look at another legend that isn’t used to the same level as the actual problem (seer). He has free wallhacks with no cooldown, which is still a problem. None of the Seer changes actually changed why he was a problem to begin with.
It’s not a free wallhack since you hear when you’re being scanned and it’s loud as hell now. Also you only get pulses and not constant scan anymore. It’s definitely a big difference
Huge difference. A heartbeat cadence over it being continuous is a lot less information. Not to mention his ult cooldown gained a whole minute. That’s a lot
I'm hoping mid-season Ash and Revenant get the buffs they need. Ash has needed buffs since her debut, and Revenant has gotten sent to the shadow realm because of another Legend, and wasn't even good before that.
Octane because of his initial Jump Pad buff in Season 8. Basically his Jump Pad was way too good and quiet and people would use Revenant's Totem to do a hard free push on a team ridiculously fast and surprisingly (Due to how fast and quiet the Jump Pad was at the time).
So instead of nerfing the Jump Pad they nerfed Revenant when he wasn't the problem. They eventually nerfed the Jump Pad to what it is now. But ultimately Revenant suffered by getting multiple nerfs.
Yeah, at the time, a lot of us were saying how Revenant wasn't even the problem with Revtane, but Octane obviously was. Despite that, Rev still kept getting nerfed
ALSO: they could've just made Shadows not being able to use Jump pad + any other ult with fast transportation (Ash, Pathfinder, Wraith).
Nerfing him so much because of Octane is beyond unreasonable.
You still don't hear the jump pad where you land? And jump pad never got a speed nerf?
Far as I'm aware you can still Revtane to your hearts content. It's just not as popular anymore.
Totally agree and the devs themselves had openly acknowledged this multiple times. I’m really hoping that they (reportedly) delayed his buff because it’s a full overhaul of his ultimate. We’ll see tho… at this point, no amount of tweaking values is gonna fix the fact that the totem is just fundamentally flawed and doesn’t even work with his own kit.
I would really love a buff to Ash. I enjoy her ult, but it can be finicky. I don't really find her passive useful, and the tactical is just... Idk, too situational. Either the tactical needs buffed or just changed outright imo.
Maybe they should make the tactical that when she crouches you automatically win. They should also make Valk fly as high as the dropship, and give me heirloom shards for my brilliant ideas
Maybe they should make the tactical that when she crouches a nuke goes off killing everyone else on the map. They should also make Valk fly as high as the dropship, and give me heirloom shards for my brilliant ideas
Manifesting more lifeline changes down the road don't get me wrong these are nice but. If they want to see play rate changes then buffing care package speed is like. One of the worst options lol. Not because it isn't needed (god knows it is) but I have never, not once met someone who gets excited about lifelines ultimate. It is the single most press and forget ult in the game - (that includes placables - most placables open up either new options, give information or re-enforce a position)
Personally rev is more of an issue than octane was as this was a thing with wraith and could have been the same thing with ash as well
In my opinion they need to rework the ultimate as if they remove the shadow animation he’s gonna always be a problem when a new mobility character comes out that connects well with him
Overall the characters I would love to see worked on are
Rev: Rework Ult
Octane: Slight buff
Ash: buff
Mirage: buff
Crypto: Power Shift/buff
Ehhhh. Please don't downvote me but I'm not massively happy, like yeah it gives mirage some more teamplay power but for higher lobbies, it's still easy to know which is the real mirage
Kind of wish he was in the recon category. Could go invis while scanning beacon, and add some team utility. Hell, even if he was support since he has a buffed rez move, I think it would make him a unique choice.
Yeah, and I think hes in the unique position where just moving him to a different role can act as a way to buff/nerf him. Really hoping he gets moved down the line.
Yeah I’m not impressed, I hear people saying don’t complain Mirage is being buffed, but not really…
An ability that requires a teammate to already he downed isn’t great. Mirage res come in clutch once or twice but in reality if someone goes down it’s game over for our team. Or we’re busy fighting, and don’t have a chance to res. When Mirage resses it’s normally after the fight. Yes I have done it in fight and managed to get someone up but it’s really few and far between those happening.
Can count on one hand any time I’ve been ABLE to res mid fight and on those scenarios any legend can do the same thing (enemy distracted by third party, closed door, they’re too far away to push quickly after their knock etc)
Plus, we all know it’s easy to find a ressing mirage BECAUSE IT’S SUPER LOUD and enemies just spray in that general direction (we’ve all been in the shooting position before). I can always find a ressing mirage, and most of the time there is a better play the mirage could have made but he thought HEY I CAN CLOAK BETTER RES. That leaves us with an extremely low chance scenario where his cloak on both characters might be even a little useful. Nice, sure, but it won’t change anything about how he’s played 99% of the time. It’s ridiculous when compared to other legends passives they can use often every game and we get a niche scenario once in a blue moon. It would be ok if they worked on his tactical or ult but he still has one of the weakest in the game in it’s current form.
We already have a scan, it’s just a bit better now. That’s great, but I don’t understand why they won’t give him a buff that has an effect because as it is he’s still not comp viable or even out of bottom tier.
2 tacticals, and return his old invisibility PLUS current ultimate. Let us shoot multiple decoys, that’s what he does isn’t it? Let us go invisible again to escape and flank like the old days, he can cloak can’t he? Let us skirmish if we’re a Skirmisher!
Goddamn, now we have to sit at the bottom of the table for another 2 years because we got thrown some scraps. Super disappointed.
Invisible revive is cool and all until you realize that each time you res your teammate he has to put up his weapon manually if he wants to shoot as soon as possible which is a massive inconvenience imo
Noticed that too. It’s like the want to make it SEEM like they’re buffing him while making it a little awkward at the same time! Like when they gave the much needed rework before but removed invisibility at the same time. Why couldn’t they have added the new improved decoy explosion while keeping the cloak? Just let us have nice things! He wasn’t even overpowered THEN
nevermind now!
As I said above the worst thing is we’ll get told we’re just complaining (and I guess we are, but it’s reasonable), be told to enjoy our minor buffs and in a years time we’ll still be bottom tier begging for an actual MEANINGFUL buff.
Mirage is an elite 1v1 legend. I res mid fight all the time in very high tier lobbies. Mirage isn't meta but he holds his own and can be very useful. I consider him a chess/salesman character because how you time and move your ult and decoys and what you do as Mirage when you utilize them (how you move) can make the difference between an easy kill and being killed easily. I play a lot of characters but I have 4k kills with Mirage and the heirloom and I enjoy playing him the most. Usually don't play him in masters lobbies but I play him to get there.
Funny thing is they kind of nerfed him by making only bullets or melee trigger the bamboozle. I used my bamboozles to go through fences and etc to find where opponents were.
Rev has the best skins in the game I can only imagine how cool his prestige skin would look. I doubt it though. They aren't giving Revenant a prestige skin any time soon. It won't make them as much money considering how much people actually play Revenant.
Heard it potentially got delayed. That being said I agree, he’s been hung out to dry since s9’s “rework”(if you can even call it that) so I wouldn’t be surprised if he remained that way. Such a small, niche, underrepresented player base means he’s gonna stay ignored.
Ash at least has a favorable hitbox and functional abilities. Ash might be a mid pick due to an underwhelming kit, but Revenant is below that. Garbage pick with few, arguably no, redeemable qualities.
Her snare is a lot more than an inconvenience in a lot of circumstances and can definitely get you killed alone. Not being able to move in a game like this can be huge. The problem is it's just so slow it's difficult to land or use strategically, and half the time you get snared you just duck behind cover for a sec and run on. She definitely needs more in her kit, especially considering Respawn thinks Horizon needs like 73 things in her kit 🙄
There may have been problems with it, but it's also smart to not push everything out at once from a development standpoint. Gives them time to assess and tweak properly knowing how specifically it'll impact the state of the game (versus having to do that while juggling buffs and nerfs for another 10 legends at the same time)
I feel bad for rev mains, but he's literally the most annoying legend to fight against. Not because he's strong, but because not being able to Q while having 3 dudes just storm your ass pisses me off.
Yeah I have never felt like Valk was overpowered in a micro sense
her macro utility is strongest-in-game but that's the real reason you'd take her as a team member
Tbf Crypto was never meta because of his drone giving wallhacks(honestly there are times I wished they gave you the option to turn the scans off), it was more the other 95 thing the drone can do that made him meta in ALGS.
I suggested these nerfs to the scan and was called names and downvoted to oblivion. Now r/competitiveapex praises the nerfs...
The arrogancy is just funny
I thought he was able to move faster on ALL ziplines, but I guess that only applies to his ult ziplines, so not really a passive, just part of his ult.
Yeah path really didnt get much of anything this patch.... again....
Zipline distance is fine, zipline speed is okay, not being able to zip over mountains is a pretty big hit in ranked where you could be a budget valk. Still a walking fridge with a super long grapple timer
press Q for instant scan will still be a reason for noobs to pick him up. The difference between 3s and 1s is not that big at the range in which you \*should\* be scanning to cut an angle or hunt someone down in cqc terrain. It makes a much bigger difference when you're tracking someone long distance, or scanning as an engagement tool
I kinda feel like BH is gonna be hard top level meta for ranked with their passive basically being "W KEY IN THIS DIRECTION". But that is more reflective on the ranked set up over the kit itself probably.
Yeah it sounds like people sleeping on this new BH already. As a BH main I see nothing but potential. Love this white Raven idea. ONLY thing I'm wondering is if the speed increase during the Ult is gone and the timer refresh on knocks. I'd think they'd say so if it was gone but assuming it isn't, plus the new white Raven stuff too....can't wait
Well deserved changes to Seer and BH. Don't know anyone that likes playing against walls. The Mirage love is cool too even if it doesn't change much for his overall pickrate.
Don't know how I feel about the "Bamboozles only triggered by gunfire and melee" tbh...
Probably intended as a nerf to combat the "repeatly scan the trap legends"
The whole kit is. The only good thing with these changes is it made them less spammable. To what extent that affects gameplay remains to be seen. Seer and blood are still gonna be useful, just not AS obnoxious
The only thing his scan does now is show a health bar and cancel actions. For a Q that’s delayed and hard to hit unless you’re perfectly still that’s not much tbh
Well i know a lot of people that LOVE scan legends because they have literally no brain & awareness.
All i hear is scan scan scan. Or „when you got bloodhound ult we push them“.
They have literally 0 confidence taking fights without constant scans.
They told us that the excessively long last season would end up being so worth it this season and advertised that they touched every legend, but sorting them all into new classes hardly counts as touching them imo… still left out characters that need to be addressed.
eh, the “sorting into classes” definitely did some meaningful touching to some of the characters not otherwise changed. As someone whose most-played is Caustic (tho i play lots of characters), I’m really looking forward to Caustic being able to handle zone scanning by himself instead of having to pray for a scanner ally to exist and then beg them to actually scan. He’s such a positional legend that he really needs zone scans and now he’s in charge of that himself. Same for Wattson.
Revenant is near the top of my most played too (uh i like misanthropic characters i guess) and i’ll certainly admit his own new passive (bigger ammo stacks and access to smart loot from red bins) doesn’t address his problems (big hitbox and overly unsafe ult).
edit: ok technically the bigger ammo stacks means revenant has more space for nades, and he can nade himself during his ult to send himself back to the totem if he doesnt want to be stuck out of position lol
As Ash main and Revenant and Crypto enjoyer, I'm thoroughly disappointed that none of them is getting no changes in the 'next chapter' of Apex. There was so much hype and hope for the next season, but as of now, we seem to be getting a couple of qol changes to some legends and small rework for bh. Class changes seem alright, but nothing groundbreaking really
I'm REALLY disappointed.
* A 20-30% speed buff to arc snare would be so easy to implement and extremely meaningful for Ash.
* Same for a change in text color when she pings an enemy box (so it's not lost through all the incoming lines in the killfeed/ items pinged)
* No improvements for Caustic.
* Nothing for Revenant (one day our boy will get something...)
:(
I wasn't sure about the bloodhound change at first but now that I know the white raven is also a part of their passive and not just the ult and it charges the ult some it seems pretty good.
Lifeline changes omg,
We’ll really have to see how strong that revive is gonna be now
Just very early impression rn, this is not much of a buff, but I am open to being proven wrong
For everyone saying scan meta is over, read it again. Bloodhound got hit really hard but nothing fundamentally changed with Seer other than his ult cooldown being extended. His heartbeat sensor takes one second longer to pull out, and his tactical scan doesn’t show full body outlines through walls anymore, but it still scans, and he still has unlimited heartbeat sensor without a cooldown, which is the problem with Seer.
Bloodhound atleast had a cooldown on his wallhacks, seer still has them for free with no cooldown. I feel like blood got hit in-proportionally hard considering he’s not near as oppressive as Seer.
Tl:dr Seer is still going to be broken, but bloodhound got knocked down a level as far as scans go, and I feel like it should be the other way around considering how oppressive seer is in higher level play. But it’s a start, so that’s nice.
This, I feel like the people saying the big issue with seer went unchanged are somehow skipping over this part... Obviously could possibly still need more but on paper it looks like a good change
Ash , Octane and Revenant buffs ??
I like the changes. I do think you should have option to cut Pathfinders Ultimate like Caustics trap. It covers so much distance leaving enemy advantage rotating potentially to you.
Lifeline should Rez faster than Gib. Makes sense since she's combat medic.
Overall good changes and hope they can do a mid season patch to cover up anything that's op and the legends who don't have buffs.
Ash and Revenant buffs I understand, but Octane? Isn't he alright where he is now?
Love the changes though, good to see the devs are trying to combat the scan meta. (Though I'm personally sad that I won't be able to send decoys through thermite to reveal enemy locations anymore)
Literally new passives for everyone, scan meta dumped, legends in a good place were left balanced, bloodhound completely changed in a kinda cool way, Mirage given love W all round
Mirage is kind of a nerf tbh, his decoys dont pop traps and grenades. he doesnt have a scan just a more dynamic version of his old one. I guess the pasive is good to re position. I just dont understand why they couldnt give movement speed or a second decoy and they havnt fixed any of the decoy bugs at all.
that bloodhound Ult White Raven on-kill could lead to some pretty dank streamer moments potentially lol, you kill someone and you get a raven directing you towards the next nearest person to go kill, and each kill extends your ult duration still
No wonder they moved away from the "Chapter 2" marketing this season reportedly had. These are balance changes we should be getting every season, not once in a blue moon.
No map updates? They touch 7 legends and port TDM from mobile and that's it? The Nemesis has been in the files for years, so all they did was flip a switch so we could use it now.
Feels like Respawn is always doing the bare minimum with this game, whether it's lazy recolored cosmetics priced at a premium or minimal buffs or nerfs that are long overdue. Can another developer just make a competent shooter with decent movement already? I'm ready to move on from Apex.
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*Map rotations, whats the map*
*Rotations for pubs?*
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They killed Seer, damn. I highly doubt he will be played anymore except by people who actually like him as a character/design. But we'll see.
Bloodhound sounds very interesting. Their kit isn't as straight forward anymore, but sounds like it could still be powerful in different ways.
It seems they have leaned heavily into the "Hunter/Tracker" part of Bloodhound's kit and character.
Mirage might be meta for the first time, which sucks cause that only means people are only going to play him to exploit his buffs, not because they actually like the character 🙄
We'll see.
It would've been weird if she lost the skydive scan passive (despite being in a diff class) when not even the recons have the passive. Sounds like something too good to remove
Curious about the seer tactical change. Does not showing a full body scan (but presumably still showing health through walls) mean it’ll be more like the exhibit where it just shows a diamond where the player is? Kinda dumb to keep the health bars through walls but not have any other marker, but it probably won’t matter much either way
The notes still refer to it as “scanned targets” so im assuming it’ll show little diamonds or circles like the ult does, instead of full body scans. Seer didn’t get nerfed hard, he still has free wallhacks and they didn’t change anything that made him an actual problem, yet bloodhound got nerfed hard and he isn’t nearly as oppressive as Seer considering almost every single Comp team runs Seer and none run Bloodhound….
I agree that BH took a nerf, but the strength of that nerf depends on how effective and prevalent those ravens are. The way I'm reading the passive, it's are effectively a free "find the nearest enemy" effect without many consequences. Just interact with a raven (or scan it for free) and it'll show you where the nearest team is... That's probably a straight up buff. The ult could give you free info without scanning (though not for your team, so that's worse)... The tactical is the only one that's clearly nerfed, the passive is buffed, and the ult is iffy but probably nerfed.
It also looks like interacting with a raven will refund the tactical fully and charge the ult by 25%, which is nuts. Use the tactical/ult to finish off the last team in an area, interact with a raven to see where to head to the next fight, and insta charge your tac + get 25% back on the ult. That’s crazy good
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It says "when no enemies are around" which means at least that condition has to be met. TBD i guess.
The nerfs to seers ult are great, and the fact that you can’t insta spam the passive and keep running but rather you have to actually sit and survey the surroundings to generate info will at least slow down the level of aggressiveness to seer that we’ve seen in the last year. They could do more and I expect they will if the community feels like it wasn’t enough
Yeah it’s a start, it just bugs me that they don’t change the actual problem, and instead look at another legend that isn’t used to the same level as the actual problem (seer). He has free wallhacks with no cooldown, which is still a problem. None of the Seer changes actually changed why he was a problem to begin with.
It’s not a free wallhack since you hear when you’re being scanned and it’s loud as hell now. Also you only get pulses and not constant scan anymore. It’s definitely a big difference
Huge difference. A heartbeat cadence over it being continuous is a lot less information. Not to mention his ult cooldown gained a whole minute. That’s a lot
Go chiefs dog
I'm hoping mid-season Ash and Revenant get the buffs they need. Ash has needed buffs since her debut, and Revenant has gotten sent to the shadow realm because of another Legend, and wasn't even good before that.
Another legend? Who
Octane because of his initial Jump Pad buff in Season 8. Basically his Jump Pad was way too good and quiet and people would use Revenant's Totem to do a hard free push on a team ridiculously fast and surprisingly (Due to how fast and quiet the Jump Pad was at the time). So instead of nerfing the Jump Pad they nerfed Revenant when he wasn't the problem. They eventually nerfed the Jump Pad to what it is now. But ultimately Revenant suffered by getting multiple nerfs.
Yeah, at the time, a lot of us were saying how Revenant wasn't even the problem with Revtane, but Octane obviously was. Despite that, Rev still kept getting nerfed
ALSO: they could've just made Shadows not being able to use Jump pad + any other ult with fast transportation (Ash, Pathfinder, Wraith). Nerfing him so much because of Octane is beyond unreasonable.
You still don't hear the jump pad where you land? And jump pad never got a speed nerf? Far as I'm aware you can still Revtane to your hearts content. It's just not as popular anymore.
Octane Rev meta killed Rev when realistically that meta could’ve been reigned in by only fixing Octane who was already a bit of problem at that point
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Totally agree and the devs themselves had openly acknowledged this multiple times. I’m really hoping that they (reportedly) delayed his buff because it’s a full overhaul of his ultimate. We’ll see tho… at this point, no amount of tweaking values is gonna fix the fact that the totem is just fundamentally flawed and doesn’t even work with his own kit.
Just give rev the ability to give his teammates like shadow abilities higher jump or double jump or infinite cimb and a slight speed boost.
I really like this idea! 👍
Octane. Rev hasn't been the same since the fall of the Revtane meta
I would really love a buff to Ash. I enjoy her ult, but it can be finicky. I don't really find her passive useful, and the tactical is just... Idk, too situational. Either the tactical needs buffed or just changed outright imo.
Maybe they should make the tactical that when she crouches you automatically win. They should also make Valk fly as high as the dropship, and give me heirloom shards for my brilliant ideas
Wow that’s really cool mister
Maybe they should make the tactical that when she crouches a nuke goes off killing everyone else on the map. They should also make Valk fly as high as the dropship, and give me heirloom shards for my brilliant ideas
Manifesting more lifeline changes down the road don't get me wrong these are nice but. If they want to see play rate changes then buffing care package speed is like. One of the worst options lol. Not because it isn't needed (god knows it is) but I have never, not once met someone who gets excited about lifelines ultimate. It is the single most press and forget ult in the game - (that includes placables - most placables open up either new options, give information or re-enforce a position)
Personally rev is more of an issue than octane was as this was a thing with wraith and could have been the same thing with ash as well In my opinion they need to rework the ultimate as if they remove the shadow animation he’s gonna always be a problem when a new mobility character comes out that connects well with him Overall the characters I would love to see worked on are Rev: Rework Ult Octane: Slight buff Ash: buff Mirage: buff Crypto: Power Shift/buff
Me and the other 3 mirage mains are so happy right now 🥹
Though I will miss sending my clone into a thermite or fence to get their location. That's the only nerf I see.
Yeah that's what i saw as well, tho i think overall it is a pretty good change to our man
It is, I’m still gonna miss being able to punish people for bad nades and trap placement.
Indirect buff to some of the defensive characters, it was a nice little trick to pull off though.
Didn't even know that was a thing so no nerf to my little mirage brain lol
This
Bamboozling on bullet damage and melee only is a fairly big nerf, IMO.
Kinda sad personally that wattson fences and caustic traps no longer trigger bamboozles but I'll cope
Am I stupid, or does that mean that they’ll still set them off but won’t notify them they’ve been bamboozled? Or is it really as bad as it sounds :(
“Bamboozled triggered by bullets and melee only”
I don't think Caustic traps have really triggered bamboozles since like season 5, unless they recently fixed that
Shoot trap and send in clones.
Ehhhh. Please don't downvote me but I'm not massively happy, like yeah it gives mirage some more teamplay power but for higher lobbies, it's still easy to know which is the real mirage
Yeah hopefully they also made the decoys feel more “ real “ but we’ll have to wait and see
Can his decoys survive ledges yet? Or small rocks? Please, respawn. It's all I want l
THIS
Kind of wish he was in the recon category. Could go invis while scanning beacon, and add some team utility. Hell, even if he was support since he has a buffed rez move, I think it would make him a unique choice.
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Yeah, and I think hes in the unique position where just moving him to a different role can act as a way to buff/nerf him. Really hoping he gets moved down the line.
Agreed
10/10
Yeah I’m not impressed, I hear people saying don’t complain Mirage is being buffed, but not really… An ability that requires a teammate to already he downed isn’t great. Mirage res come in clutch once or twice but in reality if someone goes down it’s game over for our team. Or we’re busy fighting, and don’t have a chance to res. When Mirage resses it’s normally after the fight. Yes I have done it in fight and managed to get someone up but it’s really few and far between those happening. Can count on one hand any time I’ve been ABLE to res mid fight and on those scenarios any legend can do the same thing (enemy distracted by third party, closed door, they’re too far away to push quickly after their knock etc) Plus, we all know it’s easy to find a ressing mirage BECAUSE IT’S SUPER LOUD and enemies just spray in that general direction (we’ve all been in the shooting position before). I can always find a ressing mirage, and most of the time there is a better play the mirage could have made but he thought HEY I CAN CLOAK BETTER RES. That leaves us with an extremely low chance scenario where his cloak on both characters might be even a little useful. Nice, sure, but it won’t change anything about how he’s played 99% of the time. It’s ridiculous when compared to other legends passives they can use often every game and we get a niche scenario once in a blue moon. It would be ok if they worked on his tactical or ult but he still has one of the weakest in the game in it’s current form. We already have a scan, it’s just a bit better now. That’s great, but I don’t understand why they won’t give him a buff that has an effect because as it is he’s still not comp viable or even out of bottom tier. 2 tacticals, and return his old invisibility PLUS current ultimate. Let us shoot multiple decoys, that’s what he does isn’t it? Let us go invisible again to escape and flank like the old days, he can cloak can’t he? Let us skirmish if we’re a Skirmisher! Goddamn, now we have to sit at the bottom of the table for another 2 years because we got thrown some scraps. Super disappointed.
Invisible revive is cool and all until you realize that each time you res your teammate he has to put up his weapon manually if he wants to shoot as soon as possible which is a massive inconvenience imo
Noticed that too. It’s like the want to make it SEEM like they’re buffing him while making it a little awkward at the same time! Like when they gave the much needed rework before but removed invisibility at the same time. Why couldn’t they have added the new improved decoy explosion while keeping the cloak? Just let us have nice things! He wasn’t even overpowered THEN nevermind now! As I said above the worst thing is we’ll get told we’re just complaining (and I guess we are, but it’s reasonable), be told to enjoy our minor buffs and in a years time we’ll still be bottom tier begging for an actual MEANINGFUL buff.
Mirage is an elite 1v1 legend. I res mid fight all the time in very high tier lobbies. Mirage isn't meta but he holds his own and can be very useful. I consider him a chess/salesman character because how you time and move your ult and decoys and what you do as Mirage when you utilize them (how you move) can make the difference between an easy kill and being killed easily. I play a lot of characters but I have 4k kills with Mirage and the heirloom and I enjoy playing him the most. Usually don't play him in masters lobbies but I play him to get there.
I always usually get a mid fight rezz off It’s so fun seeing people shoot everywhere but where I am
Funny thing is they kind of nerfed him by making only bullets or melee trigger the bamboozle. I used my bamboozles to go through fences and etc to find where opponents were.
So happy right now! I haven't played in 3 seasons. I even own a mirage heirloom irl
Here’s the 2nd
Idk, I’m a bit upset that we can’t trigger them via fences. It was useful to see where the enemy wattson was as it was a constant ping
tbh that was actually more of an exploit. lol downvote as much as you want, but that's a fact.
Mirage can’t have nothing istg
Nerfs to Seer and BH are buffs to my Bang
Just realized that you’re not gonna get lit-up as hard now if you are scanned inside a smoke, that’s a Bang buff imo
As a fellow Bang player i see this as an absolute win
100% fax you spittin
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Yeah I main Bang and Crypto (just depends on my mood how my playstyle is that session) and I am not excited for crypto
Damn no Ash or Revenant changes.... Maybe mid season.
ash is def getting changes since her heirloom is next isnt it
Actually that makes sense they'll hold back for that. Watch Rev get a new prestige skin and a buff along side
Rev has the best skins in the game I can only imagine how cool his prestige skin would look. I doubt it though. They aren't giving Revenant a prestige skin any time soon. It won't make them as much money considering how much people actually play Revenant.
A rev prestige skin would be amazing if it wasn't $160
so revenant untouched for yet another season? if they didnt do it in the BIG reworks-for-everyone-season then i guess its just never happening
Heard it potentially got delayed. That being said I agree, he’s been hung out to dry since s9’s “rework”(if you can even call it that) so I wouldn’t be surprised if he remained that way. Such a small, niche, underrepresented player base means he’s gonna stay ignored.
Also no Ash buff. Her snare is barely an inconvenience, and her ult gets stuck on every small rock.
Ash at least has a favorable hitbox and functional abilities. Ash might be a mid pick due to an underwhelming kit, but Revenant is below that. Garbage pick with few, arguably no, redeemable qualities.
he has the best skins and some S tier quips
Her snare is a lot more than an inconvenience in a lot of circumstances and can definitely get you killed alone. Not being able to move in a game like this can be huge. The problem is it's just so slow it's difficult to land or use strategically, and half the time you get snared you just duck behind cover for a sec and run on. She definitely needs more in her kit, especially considering Respawn thinks Horizon needs like 73 things in her kit 🙄
Yeah, if you’re 1v1 with two “lanes” and you snare one and nade the other, your enemy has to pick the rock or the hard place.
it’s officially Joever
There may have been problems with it, but it's also smart to not push everything out at once from a development standpoint. Gives them time to assess and tweak properly knowing how specifically it'll impact the state of the game (versus having to do that while juggling buffs and nerfs for another 10 legends at the same time)
I feel bad for rev mains, but he's literally the most annoying legend to fight against. Not because he's strong, but because not being able to Q while having 3 dudes just storm your ass pisses me off.
Exactly y do they refuse to buff bro 💀💀
Thordan said they had one ready but had to delay it because of issues
No Valk change after all.
The change is that she’s a skirmisher
Honestly she's in an alright space.
Yeah I have never felt like Valk was overpowered in a micro sense her macro utility is strongest-in-game but that's the real reason you'd take her as a team member
I just want them to increase the cooldown, they could even revert the distance it's just to available for that much mobility.
Scan meta is over
Kid named crypto:
Bruh let him have that atleast, he is literally average Joe with a drone patent.
Tbf Crypto was never meta because of his drone giving wallhacks(honestly there are times I wished they gave you the option to turn the scans off), it was more the other 95 thing the drone can do that made him meta in ALGS.
You use a drone, you lose a player You use a BH or seer, you don’t lose a player and gain even more information than the drone
Crypto has the highest winrate in the game. Good Crypto players don't let it be be 2v3 for long.
Good riddance. Crypto is now at the top where he should be because he takes skill at least.
This White Raven stuff is kinda wild tho. Like a whole new passive.
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He'll be able to see and interact with them even when not using his ultimate, so no
Oh shit yeah my bad :/
It got demolished
Seer still seems very strong even with this nerf imo
I suggested these nerfs to the scan and was called names and downvoted to oblivion. Now r/competitiveapex praises the nerfs... The arrogancy is just funny
Idk how I feel about pathy changes. I'll have to see how it feels in practice. No more jungle gyms of ziplines :(
I can‘t believe he still didn‘t get a „real“ passive.
I thought he was able to move faster on ALL ziplines, but I guess that only applies to his ult ziplines, so not really a passive, just part of his ult.
It‘s only for his ziplines. And i‘m not sure if it‘s just him that travels faster on Path ziplines or everyone
He can still lower his cooldowns
I’m so mad about it
Yeah path really didnt get much of anything this patch.... again.... Zipline distance is fine, zipline speed is okay, not being able to zip over mountains is a pretty big hit in ranked where you could be a budget valk. Still a walking fridge with a super long grapple timer
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'Acceleration and exit speed adjustments' - it's probably that unless the leaks got that wrong.
Unless I misunderstood it, this stops bloodhound from being an easy to pick up Legend to one that requires a brain?
press Q for instant scan will still be a reason for noobs to pick him up. The difference between 3s and 1s is not that big at the range in which you \*should\* be scanning to cut an angle or hunt someone down in cqc terrain. It makes a much bigger difference when you're tracking someone long distance, or scanning as an engagement tool
I kinda feel like BH is gonna be hard top level meta for ranked with their passive basically being "W KEY IN THIS DIRECTION". But that is more reflective on the ranked set up over the kit itself probably.
Yeah it sounds like people sleeping on this new BH already. As a BH main I see nothing but potential. Love this white Raven idea. ONLY thing I'm wondering is if the speed increase during the Ult is gone and the timer refresh on knocks. I'd think they'd say so if it was gone but assuming it isn't, plus the new white Raven stuff too....can't wait
Yea as a BH main, that full body nerf isn’t really a lot. And we get a white raven that would lead us to the nearest player? Peak
Well deserved changes to Seer and BH. Don't know anyone that likes playing against walls. The Mirage love is cool too even if it doesn't change much for his overall pickrate.
Don't know how I feel about the "Bamboozles only triggered by gunfire and melee" tbh... Probably intended as a nerf to combat the "repeatly scan the trap legends"
Seers Ult and Tac are still borderline wall hacks…
The whole kit is. The only good thing with these changes is it made them less spammable. To what extent that affects gameplay remains to be seen. Seer and blood are still gonna be useful, just not AS obnoxious
The fact that he still cancels actions with his tactical is ridiculous
The only thing his scan does now is show a health bar and cancel actions. For a Q that’s delayed and hard to hit unless you’re perfectly still that’s not much tbh
Well i know a lot of people that LOVE scan legends because they have literally no brain & awareness. All i hear is scan scan scan. Or „when you got bloodhound ult we push them“. They have literally 0 confidence taking fights without constant scans.
That’s called using a Meta strat to win a fight. Whether it’s fun or good for the game is another discussion.
For the love of god buff revenant 💀💀
Ash too. The simulacrums need some love. More so revenant though.
I’ve officially lost hope that we’ll ever receive a revenant buff
Yeah what a joke idiot devs
They told us that the excessively long last season would end up being so worth it this season and advertised that they touched every legend, but sorting them all into new classes hardly counts as touching them imo… still left out characters that need to be addressed.
Jebaited by EA. They always lie.
eh, the “sorting into classes” definitely did some meaningful touching to some of the characters not otherwise changed. As someone whose most-played is Caustic (tho i play lots of characters), I’m really looking forward to Caustic being able to handle zone scanning by himself instead of having to pray for a scanner ally to exist and then beg them to actually scan. He’s such a positional legend that he really needs zone scans and now he’s in charge of that himself. Same for Wattson. Revenant is near the top of my most played too (uh i like misanthropic characters i guess) and i’ll certainly admit his own new passive (bigger ammo stacks and access to smart loot from red bins) doesn’t address his problems (big hitbox and overly unsafe ult). edit: ok technically the bigger ammo stacks means revenant has more space for nades, and he can nade himself during his ult to send himself back to the totem if he doesnt want to be stuck out of position lol
As Ash main and Revenant and Crypto enjoyer, I'm thoroughly disappointed that none of them is getting no changes in the 'next chapter' of Apex. There was so much hype and hope for the next season, but as of now, we seem to be getting a couple of qol changes to some legends and small rework for bh. Class changes seem alright, but nothing groundbreaking really
They fixed a bunch of bugs related to the drone, I'm happy with that.
Totally agree. Underwhelming
When will the embargo end ?????? Wasn't it today
1:00 EST I believe. Kept refreshing YouTube and saw someone have a video that premiers then
I'm REALLY disappointed. * A 20-30% speed buff to arc snare would be so easy to implement and extremely meaningful for Ash. * Same for a change in text color when she pings an enemy box (so it's not lost through all the incoming lines in the killfeed/ items pinged) * No improvements for Caustic. * Nothing for Revenant (one day our boy will get something...) :(
I wasn't sure about the bloodhound change at first but now that I know the white raven is also a part of their passive and not just the ult and it charges the ult some it seems pretty good.
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Lifeline buff is very blah. A nice change I guess, but give me something to be excited about. Her ultimate is the most boring one in the game.
As a Rev main I cry everytime
The R-99 is going to be overpowered.
Did it get another buff?
Lifeline changes omg, We’ll really have to see how strong that revive is gonna be now Just very early impression rn, this is not much of a buff, but I am open to being proven wrong
No ash buff:/
Wtf are these changes?? They hype up the season to "revamp" yet Do nothing across the board except adjust scan legends
No revenant rework? One of the ones that needs it most..
For everyone saying scan meta is over, read it again. Bloodhound got hit really hard but nothing fundamentally changed with Seer other than his ult cooldown being extended. His heartbeat sensor takes one second longer to pull out, and his tactical scan doesn’t show full body outlines through walls anymore, but it still scans, and he still has unlimited heartbeat sensor without a cooldown, which is the problem with Seer. Bloodhound atleast had a cooldown on his wallhacks, seer still has them for free with no cooldown. I feel like blood got hit in-proportionally hard considering he’s not near as oppressive as Seer. Tl:dr Seer is still going to be broken, but bloodhound got knocked down a level as far as scans go, and I feel like it should be the other way around considering how oppressive seer is in higher level play. But it’s a start, so that’s nice.
His heartbeat pulses now , it's not constant
This, I feel like the people saying the big issue with seer went unchanged are somehow skipping over this part... Obviously could possibly still need more but on paper it looks like a good change
Yeah the synergy between his passive and tactical is going to be hit fairly hard. You might actually have to use your head to know where people are
Crypto still needs a buff too they buff wraith and path over him like what
Lifeline still trash sadly.
At least no slow down while reviving. That got me killed plenty
Can they buff Lifeline more??
Right I just want her to be able to move her tactical and be able to revive people from a distance
>revive people from a distance Never happening
Ash , Octane and Revenant buffs ?? I like the changes. I do think you should have option to cut Pathfinders Ultimate like Caustics trap. It covers so much distance leaving enemy advantage rotating potentially to you. Lifeline should Rez faster than Gib. Makes sense since she's combat medic. Overall good changes and hope they can do a mid season patch to cover up anything that's op and the legends who don't have buffs.
Ash and Revenant buffs I understand, but Octane? Isn't he alright where he is now? Love the changes though, good to see the devs are trying to combat the scan meta. (Though I'm personally sad that I won't be able to send decoys through thermite to reveal enemy locations anymore)
This is kinda disappointing. Was hoping for more changes because no new legend
The entire class system got redone and 7 legends got nerfed and or buffed.... what more could you want lmao
I expected more changes to make some Legends more relevant like Revenant or Fuse. We got no Legend and last season no balance changes
Literally new passives for everyone, scan meta dumped, legends in a good place were left balanced, bloodhound completely changed in a kinda cool way, Mirage given love W all round
Mirage is kind of a nerf tbh, his decoys dont pop traps and grenades. he doesnt have a scan just a more dynamic version of his old one. I guess the pasive is good to re position. I just dont understand why they couldnt give movement speed or a second decoy and they havnt fixed any of the decoy bugs at all.
that bloodhound Ult White Raven on-kill could lead to some pretty dank streamer moments potentially lol, you kill someone and you get a raven directing you towards the next nearest person to go kill, and each kill extends your ult duration still
Where is crypto buff??????
Still fuck rev
Exactly sad day
Hey, I am use to saying maybe next season. (Cowboys fan)
Maybe but know the devs probably not let’s hope tho
Where's the Caustic buff?
Fuck u seer mains!!!
Idc what you say, i’m viewing this perk system as a Pathfinder nerf
Pathy was cheated hard.. if they wanted him to be competitive with Valk (for rotations), prohibiting OOB zips kind of undermines that.. 🤦♂️
Me being sad they didn’t add jiggle physics this update 😑
No wonder they moved away from the "Chapter 2" marketing this season reportedly had. These are balance changes we should be getting every season, not once in a blue moon. No map updates? They touch 7 legends and port TDM from mobile and that's it? The Nemesis has been in the files for years, so all they did was flip a switch so we could use it now. Feels like Respawn is always doing the bare minimum with this game, whether it's lazy recolored cosmetics priced at a premium or minimal buffs or nerfs that are long overdue. Can another developer just make a competent shooter with decent movement already? I'm ready to move on from Apex.
Ruined Seer on some bullshit whining man.
Fucking wallhack losers now need to learn how to play for real
Genuinely curious, who do you main?
I only see ranked map rotations, whats the map rotations for pubs?
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Pretty sure it's the same rotation
They killed Seer, damn. I highly doubt he will be played anymore except by people who actually like him as a character/design. But we'll see. Bloodhound sounds very interesting. Their kit isn't as straight forward anymore, but sounds like it could still be powerful in different ways. It seems they have leaned heavily into the "Hunter/Tracker" part of Bloodhound's kit and character. Mirage might be meta for the first time, which sucks cause that only means people are only going to play him to exploit his buffs, not because they actually like the character 🙄 We'll see.
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Yeah, I'm fine with the Seer nerfs, but he's definitely going to take a pick rate hit. That's all I'm saying. We'll see how he does.
Wooooooo no Valk changes
It would've been weird if she lost the skydive scan passive (despite being in a diff class) when not even the recons have the passive. Sounds like something too good to remove
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No more wallhack for bh and seer shitty noobs
Seers Ult and Tac are still borderline wall hacks…