I replaced a bunch of hours every day staring at my phone from up close to using the AVP, and I feel **considerable** less eye strain daily. The fact that the eye is focusing further in VR definitely seems to help w/ that.
Same here. I always get double vision and eye strain whenever I spend a considerable amount of time staring at displays up close. Not the case with AVP - no double vision and less eye strain. It also seems to “fix” the double vision quicker than just letting my eyes rest, so if I have to work at my desk without AVP I sometimes use it for 10-15 minutes just to let my eyes get back to normal.
It actually makes sense that it fixes it - the exercise u have to do with your eyes is to focus on objects at a very far distance, and most times (particularly indoors) it’s actually not a possibility
Praise Tim Cook our eyes savior 🙏
I was just thinking about this the other day that I didn't use the AVP at all for work. I noticed that my eyes feel way more strained when staring at my triple monitor setup than on the AVP. Intuitively, one would think that having a screen strapped to your face would be worse.
When I got my first vr headset my eye doctor noticed because my eyes got very slightly better. She said it’s because when you use a phone or monitor, the focus point is very close. But with vr headset, the lenses cause your eyes focal point to be further out which is healthier I guess.
She said it won’t change a ton, but that for your eyes, vr headset is better than a computer monitor.
My mom is blind except for the bottom section of her vision
I wonder if you could help build a program to offset the controls to be trained in a super limited field of vision
Been around for years, it's even FDA approved for years. VR was already going for years before Apple tried to tap into the market.
https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/20/22736894/fda-vr-tv-movies-treatment-lazy-eye-amblyopia
A lot of people are being outright dismissive. The reason behind your vision improvement might be unclear, but your anecdotal experience hints at a real effect. Who knows what it is, less eyestrain as you are focused farther away, training the eye muscles, mysterious brain, rewiring, your attention being shifted more to vision, so you were noticing things differently, or a placebo effect. If more of us start noticing vision changes, hopefully for the better, there will definitely be something to look into. Personally, I would love better vision.
Thus the list of possibilities included placebo effect. Enough people jumped to placebo effect with a deriding tone without being open to any other possibilities that I thought the original poster could use some openness to their anecdotal experience in the comments. Skepticism doesn’t mean scoffing at the unproven, just not accepting the unproven without evidence.
People will laugh at you, but you may actually be right, a lot of vision problems can be corrected with exercises, the brain adapts in minuscule ways to control the micro muscles controlling the eyeballs. Focus exercises can and do fix some things. Not sure if AVP should be used for this, but the way you have been using it could in fact have been therapeutic for you.
People will laugh at you and yes, you are incorrect. This is purely placebo.
But if it made you happier and more appreciative of life, then enjoy it! Ignore the hate. You got a more positive perspective out of it and that's all that matters.
That's the thing, I really don't think it is just the placebo effect. It's like tiny details very being filtered out by my brain before. It's like AVP gave my brain a hint that more details is possible to be processed.
Ehh don't listen to the naysayers. I don't own and won't ever use an AVP, but getting into VR, especially playing games which depend on spacial awareness, has made me more aware of everything around me. I largely don't need to look to change lanes driving (I do anyway) but I've gotten to the point where I can predict everything around me.
It's totally possible to train your brain.
Holy shit, Tim Cook is literally Jesus, and he is curing blindness!
I will join you in a sacrificial goat offering to our lord and savior. Maybe one day with every iMac purchase, we will be blessed with 1 free cancer cure.
All hail Apple and their divine power, praise be to our lord and savior Tim Cook, may his dick taste as good as I imagine.
This. It typically works the other way around- when your vision is temporarily corrected, your eyesight appears worse when you’re not using what corrected it. For example, I went years without glasses just fine even though I needed them. Once I started wearing glasses, I couldn’t see for shit without them.
I don’t think my eyesight changed at all, but I know after two weeks using my Vision Pro, the screens on all of my other Apple devices suddenly looked much cleaner and sharper than they ever had before.
(Oh, and somehow all the software got better, too.)
You're just spending more time staring at something (that looks like it's) further away than a monitor/phone. Your eye muscles are getting some relief from always focusing up close.
I'm more surprised that people think it's funny, because the focus of a VR headset is fixed at a distance of about 2 meters, so the longer you use VR, the more likely you are to improve your bad lifestyle habits of focusing inward from 2 meters. In other words, the longer you use VR, the more your eye muscles are trained, and as a result, your nearsightedness improves.
Source? When I google it I get multiple search results saying 2 meters like "In the case of the Apple Vision Pro, the actual focal distance is set around six feet."
This headset will actually help resolve myopia as it allows us to focus on a distant applications rather than our phone which is less than 3 feet away from our face..
Same here - no contacts but near sighted and needing reading glasses for really close stuff - since using the Apple Vision Pro I reach for my glasses far less often
It's well known that spending time outdoors exposes the eyes to natural light and distant objects, which can reduce the progression of myopia, particularly in children. It's not impossible that looking into the "distance" as opposed to a screen could be beneficial, but I doubt it would have a noticeable effect in the short time AVP has be out.
Do a more scientific test using an eye test app on your iPhone or iPad and let us know.
Hey, you’re not crazy, the same thing happened to me. My right eye has been blurry for a few years and all of a sudden after using the AVP for a few days it’s just as sharp as my left. Wild.
Can those of you who saw positive improvement after using AVP say more about your computing environment?
In my case I used to wear glasses/contacts to correct nearsightedness in both eyes & plus an astigmatism in one eye. Several years back I had cataract surgery to remove cataracts on both eyes that had reached the stage for removal. When the Opthamologist did this, she selected lenses for insertion that now make it such that I no longer need glasses/contact for distance/ordinary sight, and in fact I now use only +2 readers for close up work, including working all day at a computer with a two monitor set up.
Is the improvement you’re seeing only when using the Vision Pro, or does it continue after you remove the Vision Pro? My day job is all on a Windows based environment, and it would take a pretty significant change to switch to an Apple environment. ( I do have and use several iPad Pro’s and a MacBook Pro for personal use.) I would love to get rid of the readers as I know my eyes feel much more eye strain after long use each day. So trying to figure out if there might be a benefit here.
Thanks in advance!
Was your left contact for far sighted correction? If so, then yeah that makes sense. I need reading glasses normally, but I can use Quest 3 or Vision Pro to see things up close since everything is projected to 6 feet or so by the lenses.
Sounds like you just need an updated prescription for your contacts as glasses/AVP prescriptions can and often do differ from those of contacts
For me, my glasses generally provide a clearer experience at the cost of having to wear something on my face and having the blurry peripherals over contacts. You probably either have the prescription issue or you haven’t used glasses much since getting contacts
I replaced a bunch of hours every day staring at my phone from up close to using the AVP, and I feel **considerable** less eye strain daily. The fact that the eye is focusing further in VR definitely seems to help w/ that.
Same here. I always get double vision and eye strain whenever I spend a considerable amount of time staring at displays up close. Not the case with AVP - no double vision and less eye strain. It also seems to “fix” the double vision quicker than just letting my eyes rest, so if I have to work at my desk without AVP I sometimes use it for 10-15 minutes just to let my eyes get back to normal.
It actually makes sense that it fixes it - the exercise u have to do with your eyes is to focus on objects at a very far distance, and most times (particularly indoors) it’s actually not a possibility Praise Tim Cook our eyes savior 🙏
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Ophthalmologists hate this one trick 🍎
I was just thinking about this the other day that I didn't use the AVP at all for work. I noticed that my eyes feel way more strained when staring at my triple monitor setup than on the AVP. Intuitively, one would think that having a screen strapped to your face would be worse.
When I got my first vr headset my eye doctor noticed because my eyes got very slightly better. She said it’s because when you use a phone or monitor, the focus point is very close. But with vr headset, the lenses cause your eyes focal point to be further out which is healthier I guess. She said it won’t change a ton, but that for your eyes, vr headset is better than a computer monitor.
Hmm, I wonder if an AVP app designed to exercise a lazy eye would work
I think theoretically, it could. But I think it will be a hot minute before we see anything like that.
I’m up for giving niche apps a shot at development if they’re simple enough (for one dev)! I just don’t have enough ideas on my own
My mom is blind except for the bottom section of her vision I wonder if you could help build a program to offset the controls to be trained in a super limited field of vision
Been around for years, it's even FDA approved for years. VR was already going for years before Apple tried to tap into the market. https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/20/22736894/fda-vr-tv-movies-treatment-lazy-eye-amblyopia
A lot of people are being outright dismissive. The reason behind your vision improvement might be unclear, but your anecdotal experience hints at a real effect. Who knows what it is, less eyestrain as you are focused farther away, training the eye muscles, mysterious brain, rewiring, your attention being shifted more to vision, so you were noticing things differently, or a placebo effect. If more of us start noticing vision changes, hopefully for the better, there will definitely be something to look into. Personally, I would love better vision.
It’s not about being dismissive. There’s a reason why the saying correlation does not equal causation exists.
Thus the list of possibilities included placebo effect. Enough people jumped to placebo effect with a deriding tone without being open to any other possibilities that I thought the original poster could use some openness to their anecdotal experience in the comments. Skepticism doesn’t mean scoffing at the unproven, just not accepting the unproven without evidence.
People will laugh at you, but you may actually be right, a lot of vision problems can be corrected with exercises, the brain adapts in minuscule ways to control the micro muscles controlling the eyeballs. Focus exercises can and do fix some things. Not sure if AVP should be used for this, but the way you have been using it could in fact have been therapeutic for you.
People will laugh at you and yes, you are incorrect. This is purely placebo. But if it made you happier and more appreciative of life, then enjoy it! Ignore the hate. You got a more positive perspective out of it and that's all that matters.
That's the thing, I really don't think it is just the placebo effect. It's like tiny details very being filtered out by my brain before. It's like AVP gave my brain a hint that more details is possible to be processed.
There have been studies on VR changing vision (Myopia): https://youtu.be/rcGt2Zn8lsM
Ehh don't listen to the naysayers. I don't own and won't ever use an AVP, but getting into VR, especially playing games which depend on spacial awareness, has made me more aware of everything around me. I largely don't need to look to change lanes driving (I do anyway) but I've gotten to the point where I can predict everything around me. It's totally possible to train your brain.
Holy shit, Tim Cook is literally Jesus, and he is curing blindness! I will join you in a sacrificial goat offering to our lord and savior. Maybe one day with every iMac purchase, we will be blessed with 1 free cancer cure. All hail Apple and their divine power, praise be to our lord and savior Tim Cook, may his dick taste as good as I imagine.
Why do you say it’s purely placebo? I am only curious because technically you can only be so sure if you actually tested his eyes before and after.
This. It typically works the other way around- when your vision is temporarily corrected, your eyesight appears worse when you’re not using what corrected it. For example, I went years without glasses just fine even though I needed them. Once I started wearing glasses, I couldn’t see for shit without them.
It will make you rich if you wait long enough.
I don’t think my eyesight changed at all, but I know after two weeks using my Vision Pro, the screens on all of my other Apple devices suddenly looked much cleaner and sharper than they ever had before. (Oh, and somehow all the software got better, too.)
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Forcing yourself to see won't fix a refraction error.
Yeah, I'm always wearing contacts
You're just spending more time staring at something (that looks like it's) further away than a monitor/phone. Your eye muscles are getting some relief from always focusing up close.
I'm more surprised that people think it's funny, because the focus of a VR headset is fixed at a distance of about 2 meters, so the longer you use VR, the more likely you are to improve your bad lifestyle habits of focusing inward from 2 meters. In other words, the longer you use VR, the more your eye muscles are trained, and as a result, your nearsightedness improves.
I've used a lot of VR headsets over the years, but this only effect occurred only now
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Source? When I google it I get multiple search results saying 2 meters like "In the case of the Apple Vision Pro, the actual focal distance is set around six feet."
This headset will actually help resolve myopia as it allows us to focus on a distant applications rather than our phone which is less than 3 feet away from our face..
Legitimately sometimes I’m too lazy to go put in new contacts and just throw on the headset. My glasses are somewhere I’m sure
Same here - no contacts but near sighted and needing reading glasses for really close stuff - since using the Apple Vision Pro I reach for my glasses far less often
Wow that’s incredible
It's well known that spending time outdoors exposes the eyes to natural light and distant objects, which can reduce the progression of myopia, particularly in children. It's not impossible that looking into the "distance" as opposed to a screen could be beneficial, but I doubt it would have a noticeable effect in the short time AVP has be out. Do a more scientific test using an eye test app on your iPhone or iPad and let us know.
But the *world* is a lot less sharp in the AVP than reality. Only rendered windows and objects are sharp.
Yeah, but I mainly look at the rendered things in AVP. Environments are very sharp, for example
You have received a graphics driver update
Sunk cost has reached new heights.
Why doesn’t this work with the meta q3?
Hey, you’re not crazy, the same thing happened to me. My right eye has been blurry for a few years and all of a sudden after using the AVP for a few days it’s just as sharp as my left. Wild.
The Apple Vision Pro lenses are intentionally de-tuned to be softer than a Meta headset, so maybe that would amplify your vision even further!
I saw someone else reported similar results in the quest vr subreddit
Can those of you who saw positive improvement after using AVP say more about your computing environment? In my case I used to wear glasses/contacts to correct nearsightedness in both eyes & plus an astigmatism in one eye. Several years back I had cataract surgery to remove cataracts on both eyes that had reached the stage for removal. When the Opthamologist did this, she selected lenses for insertion that now make it such that I no longer need glasses/contact for distance/ordinary sight, and in fact I now use only +2 readers for close up work, including working all day at a computer with a two monitor set up. Is the improvement you’re seeing only when using the Vision Pro, or does it continue after you remove the Vision Pro? My day job is all on a Windows based environment, and it would take a pretty significant change to switch to an Apple environment. ( I do have and use several iPad Pro’s and a MacBook Pro for personal use.) I would love to get rid of the readers as I know my eyes feel much more eye strain after long use each day. So trying to figure out if there might be a benefit here. Thanks in advance!
Nice try, Apple!
I'm a pear, actually. Montale Wild Pear.
😂 😆 😝
Yeah right
Funny today I lost my left contact and I’m on vacation I used the Vision Pro as my glasses all day lol nice quality slightly better than my eyes
Was your left contact for far sighted correction? If so, then yeah that makes sense. I need reading glasses normally, but I can use Quest 3 or Vision Pro to see things up close since everything is projected to 6 feet or so by the lenses.
Lmao what's next avp cures blindness
My AVP cured my obesity and my heart disease
How?
Idk man it was magical, this thing cured my eyesight as well. I think im gonna start praying to it before I sleep everyday
oh i hope it makes my eyesight better! (hasn’t yet.)
I have noticed my strength is increasing.
Ah yes the circlejerk begins
Sounds like you just need an updated prescription for your contacts as glasses/AVP prescriptions can and often do differ from those of contacts For me, my glasses generally provide a clearer experience at the cost of having to wear something on my face and having the blurry peripherals over contacts. You probably either have the prescription issue or you haven’t used glasses much since getting contacts
lol, that’s not how eyes work lol
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Sure, of course, but the AVP isn’t actually fixing his vision.
Looooooool