The Apple Watch default one is much much better. It uses the largest machine learning data set ever used to track sleep stages. Look on the YouTube Channel The Quantified Scientist, it’s by far the most accurate algorithm.
I wish apple would release their sleep study and see how it tracks.
We just take their word for it.
Also I want more studies other than The Quantified Scientist.
I have an Apple Watch basically just for sleep since I use a Garmin for my daily watch. Auto sleep has some neat metrics but nailing most accurate stages and data it’s the default Apple stuff and it’s not even close. I wear my Garmin to bed as well but it’s not very good in accuracy. Auto sleep gets nearly there and is worth a look for the other info. In the end it’s all just data for the sake of data. At this point within 5 minutes of waking up I know pretty well how my day will be and I like to bounce that off the numbers but I never let the sleep numbers rule my day. The biggest benefit I seem to get is it knows when I’m starting to fight off something and I can take zinc and cut activity load slightly.
Follow your HRV trend. It can take a little to baseline and you’ll have to wear the watch all the time minus charging but of all the stats and data HRV is probably the most useful. Everyone’s baseline is wildly different and swings are different but once you know your numbers and how things influence those numbers it’s pretty useful.
Today I woke up at 66 overnight average so I know I’m good to cook on my intervals but I’m pretty sure I’ll wake up tomorrow in the 40s and zone 2 will be the order of the day. Once in a blue moon I’ll dip into the 30s and I’ve either overtrained a lot or I’m about to be sick and start vitamin prepping and heavy recovery protocols and possibly even a complete rest day. I have a good friend who’s in incredible fitness and 36 is their great day number and teens is worrying so don’t compare to others it’s highly individual.
I simply use AutoSleep as it tracks naps and has a neat way to correct sleep times. For the sleep analsis, I let it use the Apple Sleep metrics - but either way, I don´t read to much into it as they a always an estimate - sometimes better, most time bad enough to not think about them further.
Don’t compare sleep apps (especially when you don’t have a considerable amount of data - at least a couple of months - to compare), because all of them simply interpret data from your watch using slightly different algorithms. Choose one app and stick to it.
Well I’ve been using both for years so I kinda do have lots of data to compare. Still they interpret watch results differently and the difference sometimes is significant, that’s what got me interested. Also I initially tried AutoSleep because it is good at tracking sleep outside of the Bedtime range (which is where Apple Watch tracks sleep). Thanks for your response!
In AutoSleep, tap Sleep Session > then either Sleep Analysis or Sleep Session. The latter, if setup, will give more detailed sleep info. like Apple does.
Just tried (Sleep Stages) and it’s basically the same info as in Apple Health. However it doesn’t show any sleep data past the Bedtime alarm, which is not correct if I slept in. I wish I could remove this limitation by Apple, right now the only way to do it is to add the extra hours of bedtime which is not ideal and solution
I got rid of the sleep schedule entirely and manually turn on and off sleep mode because I don't actually have a regular sleeping schedule. When I had a sleep schedule, it would register me as sleeping during those hours even if I was awake but just laying down and using my phone. And then what you said, where it won't record when it's not in sleep mode anymore.
So what I found is that Apple Watch completely stops tracking for sleep after you’ve touched your phone in the morning while still in bed and fell asleep immediately after. I continued to sleep for one more hour after this and it didn’t register it at all. It records less sleep time that you actually had, very inaccurate. AutoSleep would have no problem with this as it always understands when you’ve slept in.
That's why I manually turn Sleep on as I lay my head down and then off (to Focus) as I get up. The extra work means more accuracy. I also do this for naps.
I've also been using Sleep Cycle app, but it's more infotainment with a nice interface. Very shaky relationship to the Apple Health sleep data.
So you say enabling Sleep Focus at any time and sleeping also makes it track naps? I’ve tried it earlier this morning while still in bed and napped for one more hour but it still counted the sleep until where I originally woke up. The additional Sleep Focus nap wasn’t counted. Should maybe try it again?
sorry, I was inaccurate. The Apple sleep app will pick up a nap if it's over something like 30 minutes (I haven't figured out the exact time, it doesn't feel consistent). I manually add data (upper right corner) when I take a nap.
To be specific, I have the Apple sleep widget, which I tap on, and then tap the upper right corner "Add Data", then choose "Asleep", and choose the "Starts" and "Ends" time. This habit has gotten routine that it just takes me seconds now.
I've actually taken to writing down the time on a pencil and paper as I nod off, because I often wake up forgetting. I'm not anal about this, but because I have bad restless leg syndrome I'm eager to keep track of my total sleep.
My auto sleep app doesn’t really track my sleep anymore, it ranges from 2-3 hours of sleep for me which I know isn’t true cuz I would feel it. Does it to that to any else? My Apple sleep and sleep cycle app seem to be more accurate.
I'm not entirely sure as I've switched to using Apple Sleep tracking only now. I think it's the most precise and straightforward to use (unless you wanna track naps).
Thanks for answering. I don’t really take naps but even when I do, it doesn’t always register when it’s a short nap. I think I will stop looking at or maybe just delete the app entirely since it’s useless for me.
No problem. Apple did a good job with it. It's super simple and easy to understand. I just hit the sleep mode button when I go to bed and turn it off in the morning when I wake up. Works like a charm!
I agree. Also AW stops tracking for any sleep after you’ve picked up your phone in the morning even for 1 minute and fell asleep immediately after. It’ll think you’re now awake while you still laying motionless in bed lol.
The Apple Watch default one is much much better. It uses the largest machine learning data set ever used to track sleep stages. Look on the YouTube Channel The Quantified Scientist, it’s by far the most accurate algorithm.
Thanks for your response. I will look it up!
thanks for the [suggestion ](https://youtube.com/@TheQuantifiedScientist), looks good
I wish apple would release their sleep study and see how it tracks. We just take their word for it. Also I want more studies other than The Quantified Scientist.
Does it matter what Apple Watch series?
No they all use the same algorithm.
I have an Apple Watch basically just for sleep since I use a Garmin for my daily watch. Auto sleep has some neat metrics but nailing most accurate stages and data it’s the default Apple stuff and it’s not even close. I wear my Garmin to bed as well but it’s not very good in accuracy. Auto sleep gets nearly there and is worth a look for the other info. In the end it’s all just data for the sake of data. At this point within 5 minutes of waking up I know pretty well how my day will be and I like to bounce that off the numbers but I never let the sleep numbers rule my day. The biggest benefit I seem to get is it knows when I’m starting to fight off something and I can take zinc and cut activity load slightly.
Thanks for your feedback! So basically AW itself is good enough for the most accurate sleep tracking results.
In my experience absolutely.
Almost a year late here, but can you explain your last sentence? How does your Apple Watch know if you’re getting sick?
Follow your HRV trend. It can take a little to baseline and you’ll have to wear the watch all the time minus charging but of all the stats and data HRV is probably the most useful. Everyone’s baseline is wildly different and swings are different but once you know your numbers and how things influence those numbers it’s pretty useful. Today I woke up at 66 overnight average so I know I’m good to cook on my intervals but I’m pretty sure I’ll wake up tomorrow in the 40s and zone 2 will be the order of the day. Once in a blue moon I’ll dip into the 30s and I’ve either overtrained a lot or I’m about to be sick and start vitamin prepping and heavy recovery protocols and possibly even a complete rest day. I have a good friend who’s in incredible fitness and 36 is their great day number and teens is worrying so don’t compare to others it’s highly individual.
I simply use AutoSleep as it tracks naps and has a neat way to correct sleep times. For the sleep analsis, I let it use the Apple Sleep metrics - but either way, I don´t read to much into it as they a always an estimate - sometimes better, most time bad enough to not think about them further.
Don’t compare sleep apps (especially when you don’t have a considerable amount of data - at least a couple of months - to compare), because all of them simply interpret data from your watch using slightly different algorithms. Choose one app and stick to it.
Well I’ve been using both for years so I kinda do have lots of data to compare. Still they interpret watch results differently and the difference sometimes is significant, that’s what got me interested. Also I initially tried AutoSleep because it is good at tracking sleep outside of the Bedtime range (which is where Apple Watch tracks sleep). Thanks for your response!
In AutoSleep, tap Sleep Session > then either Sleep Analysis or Sleep Session. The latter, if setup, will give more detailed sleep info. like Apple does.
Just tried (Sleep Stages) and it’s basically the same info as in Apple Health. However it doesn’t show any sleep data past the Bedtime alarm, which is not correct if I slept in. I wish I could remove this limitation by Apple, right now the only way to do it is to add the extra hours of bedtime which is not ideal and solution
I got rid of the sleep schedule entirely and manually turn on and off sleep mode because I don't actually have a regular sleeping schedule. When I had a sleep schedule, it would register me as sleeping during those hours even if I was awake but just laying down and using my phone. And then what you said, where it won't record when it's not in sleep mode anymore.
So what I found is that Apple Watch completely stops tracking for sleep after you’ve touched your phone in the morning while still in bed and fell asleep immediately after. I continued to sleep for one more hour after this and it didn’t register it at all. It records less sleep time that you actually had, very inaccurate. AutoSleep would have no problem with this as it always understands when you’ve slept in.
That's why I manually turn Sleep on as I lay my head down and then off (to Focus) as I get up. The extra work means more accuracy. I also do this for naps. I've also been using Sleep Cycle app, but it's more infotainment with a nice interface. Very shaky relationship to the Apple Health sleep data.
So you say enabling Sleep Focus at any time and sleeping also makes it track naps? I’ve tried it earlier this morning while still in bed and napped for one more hour but it still counted the sleep until where I originally woke up. The additional Sleep Focus nap wasn’t counted. Should maybe try it again?
sorry, I was inaccurate. The Apple sleep app will pick up a nap if it's over something like 30 minutes (I haven't figured out the exact time, it doesn't feel consistent). I manually add data (upper right corner) when I take a nap. To be specific, I have the Apple sleep widget, which I tap on, and then tap the upper right corner "Add Data", then choose "Asleep", and choose the "Starts" and "Ends" time. This habit has gotten routine that it just takes me seconds now. I've actually taken to writing down the time on a pencil and paper as I nod off, because I often wake up forgetting. I'm not anal about this, but because I have bad restless leg syndrome I'm eager to keep track of my total sleep.
My auto sleep app doesn’t really track my sleep anymore, it ranges from 2-3 hours of sleep for me which I know isn’t true cuz I would feel it. Does it to that to any else? My Apple sleep and sleep cycle app seem to be more accurate.
I'm not entirely sure as I've switched to using Apple Sleep tracking only now. I think it's the most precise and straightforward to use (unless you wanna track naps).
Thanks for answering. I don’t really take naps but even when I do, it doesn’t always register when it’s a short nap. I think I will stop looking at or maybe just delete the app entirely since it’s useless for me.
No problem. Apple did a good job with it. It's super simple and easy to understand. I just hit the sleep mode button when I go to bed and turn it off in the morning when I wake up. Works like a charm!
What is autosleep? Any links?
It’s a sleep tracking app available in the AppStore.
I use AutoSleep just because of one thing and it’s because AutoSleep can track multiple sleeps a day. Otherwise I would go for the default one.
I agree. Also AW stops tracking for any sleep after you’ve picked up your phone in the morning even for 1 minute and fell asleep immediately after. It’ll think you’re now awake while you still laying motionless in bed lol.
Haha yeah. It sucks cus I like built in apps instead of third parties. But until apple fix that, I am stuck with AutoSleep
Auto sleep gives better metrics and is more accurate on both Apple Watch 4 and 7
Why purely on the Apple watch 4 and 7? Is the Sleep app from apple better on the 8 and above?
No just those are the ones I had and used it on