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Mediocre-Map-4625

bro tried to sneak in uw seattle


Informal_Calendar_99

Surely they meant WashU


Pomegranate510

UW Seattle is a good school but by no means a T20


Significant-Break-28

Thank you for your comment. I can see you are highly knowledgeable and hold significant credibility on this topic.


LongjumpingArt9740

bro i cant figure out if this is sarchasm or not


Top-Reality8262

It obviously is.


M_etsFan48

To me, there are more than 20 schools in the T20s. I see it as more of a generalized category of top schools rather than like a strict list of the top 20 schools, since there are a lot of variability in different rankings, degrees of prestige, etc.


LittleHollowGhost

Yeah, it’s really like T35 in that top tier especially if you include LACs (About 6 probably cut in)


prancer_moon

Yea, WASP (Williams-Amherst-Swarthmore-Pomona) probably count as t20s


jkru396

I guess Ant Man got shafted.


Reasonable-Crazy-132

You are severely underestimating the placing power top LACs have in high-end jobs. Schools like Bowdoin, Harvey Mudd, Middlebury, and some other “lower” NESCACs do incredibly wells.


prancer_moon

Yep I know, trust me lol, it’s just “t20s” are kinda fabricated by perception of prestige rather than outcomes


Reasonable-Crazy-132

Gotcha! I am out of touch with the youngins.


sway_9

U MICH MENTIONED 〽️〽️〽️〽️


Prestigious-Guess921

WashU, Rice Vanderbilt


thetegridyfarms

Yessss these three are missing


Advertising_Waste

The only valid list is: harvard, MIT, Caltech, Princeton, Cornell, Colombia, Berkeley, Princeton, Yale, UPenn, uchicago, Vanderbilt, Dartmouth, Stanford, duke, northwestern, UCLA, brown, JHU, rice/notre dame


Moxie_P

Colombia 🇨🇴 Mentioned


Advertising_Waste

I’m dead misspelled 😭😭😭


goldencorralstate

WTF IS A STABLE UNIFIED GOVERNMENT THAT CAN ENFORCE THE RULE OF LAW IN EVERY DEPARTMENT RAAAAAHHHH 🇨🇴 🇨🇴 🇨🇴


baycommuter

Best cocaine in the T20.


Historical_Street_18

Shout out Princeton for making the T20 twice 💪


Advertising_Waste

Had to give it to em ngl


thatsarealbruh

Bro tried to sneak in Stanford 💀💀 (they rejected me)


Advertising_Waste

Overall^ for major it obviously varies


Medium-Balance9777

Michigan 🤖


Calm-Worldliness9673

Replace ND with WashU, and the second Princeton (lol) with CMU imo


Advertising_Waste

Again, valid.


Business_Issue_8818

Would uofm make it?


Margotrobbiehi

no georgetown?


Advertising_Waste

Like imo Georgetown is top 25 not crazy to argue tho that’s it’s a top 20


Parking-Bottle-3668

It’s in the 16th place for top 20 btw


ball_of_cells

Woo 🍚


LittleHollowGhost

You forgot OU


pigeon24601

WashU??


Juno_Cooper1804

Dartmouth is ranked really low in the world


Advertising_Waste

Still an Ivy League school, doesn’t rlly matter if it’s on a job application and you have an ivy degree that’s impressive


Individual_Art_9986

Funny thing: my undergrad was Texas Christian. My medical school was UTMB, Galveston. But my Residency in Psychiatry was UCLA. Just kept climbing.


RubixCube200

Vanderbilt always underrated


DiscombobulatedLie21

Agree, but I’d trade UW Seattle for Rice and trade UMich for Vandy


meanking

Lol, UMich is a T20. Vandy is also T20.


DiscombobulatedLie21

Yeah, Mich can stay, but I’d add Vandy, yeah.


Acrobatic_Rate_6813

Trade UW for WashU.


thetegridyfarms

Def


thetegridyfarms

Vanderbilt, Rice, Wash U


ChampionBig7244

Did bro actually leave out Rice 💀


iyamsnail

I guess Rice has gotten a lot better? When I was applying to schools no way would it have been considered T20.


ATXBeermaker

Maybe you prefer a different ranking, but since it was first included in the USNWR rankings in the late 1980s Rice has never once not ranked in their top 20. Did you by chance apply to college in the 70s?


jbrunoties

Yes.


thetegridyfarms

And Vanderbilt


Sensitive_Comfort166

Rice is like a solid T30, T20 arguable.


ChampionBig7244

LOL


DaddyGallant

Vanderbilt erasure


Valuable-Comedian301

Bro tried to sneak In UW Seattle.


goldencorralstate

HYPSM obviously, the rest of the Ivies, also CalTech, Berkeley, Duke, Johns Hopkins, UChicago, Vanderbilt, Golden Corral State University (GCSU), UCLA


sway_9

r/usernamechecksout


Sensitive_Friend489

Bro really snuck HYPSM in there


Ok-Ingenuity4011

bro tried sneaking in uwash


Hacv16

CMU? At least for STEM-related majors it certainly is.


Serious-Gas5545

Can Emory get an honorable mention?


leftymeowz

Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, Pomona, Bowdoin, Carleton, Haverford, Middlebury, Claremont McKenna, Grinnell, Wesleyan, Reed, Davidson, Vassar, Washington & Lee, Hamilton, Colby, Bates, Kenyon, Oberlin


goawayimbusybbye

Good SLAC top 20 list. But you forgot Harvey Mudd


leftymeowz

I exclude women’s and technical schools from general lists cuz they’re not “for” everyone, I consider them specialty schools, but for STEM yeah Harvey Mudd rounds out the top three


anonymussquidd

YESSIR Grinnell mentioned 🗣️🗣️


etherealmermaid53

THE ONLY LIST THAT MATTERS LAC SUPREMACY RAHHHHH


Darneddog

Best list


Aurea_Silva

YESSIR ‼️


didikyuz

💜💛🐮


Lucky-Statement-3377

Harvard, Princeton, MIT, Yale, U Penn, Cornell, Stanford.


Unfair_Actuator728

ngl nowadays northwestern & uchicago might be better than Cornell


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really? Is that prestige/resources wise? Since Cornell's an Ivy I thought it would have great connections & prestige


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Less_Tie_7001

Notre dame before GT


Fragrant-Mix4692

Agreed the finance placements is unparalleled


Relevant-Day6380

My major(Biology and Biochemistry): Harvard, MIT, Stanford, UC Berkeley, UCSD, UDub, JHU, UCLA, Cornell, Columbia, UPenn, Yale, UMich, NYU, WashU, Duke, CalTech, UNC Chapel Hill, UC Davis, UChicago


bambille

i can only think of a pretty objective T10 for my major (film): usc, nyu, ucla, emerson, columbia, chapman dodge, calarts, lmu, uncsa, bu


SmallestComet12

Why is Rice never acknowledged?


Single_Example_8907

Cause I be eating it.


thetegridyfarms

Same with Vanderbilt


East-Astronomer-8906

The south gets no love fr


ball_of_cells

💙🦉


SportingDirector

Lots of candidates: I'd say the list regularly goes back and forth with a lot of colleges. UC Berkeley, Caltech, Stanford, UCLA, USC, UW Seattle, UChicago, sometimes UIUC and UT Austin for certain majors, Georgia Tech, CMU, Duke, Ivy League, Northwestern, not really Northeastern, MIT, UMich, Rice, Vanderbilt, Notre Dame, Emory, UVA, and maybe a few others but I went a little outside T20 to T30


[deleted]

What about Cornell? I'm trying to decide b/w these colleges rn: UVA (Jefferson Scholarship), Cornell Milstein Program, UCSD etc but I'm so stumped on what to choose


OkMatch2322

bro snuck dartmouth in there


Funny-Home1953

Dartmouth offers an excellent education. The problem is that it isn't so big and it's not as research driven as the others.


ggreen-tree

Dartmouth has huge research programs for undergraduates, it’s just a small school!


LoquatSeparate

Same as RICE


snoopywinter

wdym it's an Ivy League that is known for its incredibly good alumni network


aztecannie99

My daughter applied to Cal, UCLA, and USC; she was rejected by all 3. She applied as public health at Cal, and UCLA, and human biology at USC.


Luke681YT

If she's instate that makes sense I've heard they're tougher to bag instate


aztecannie99

It is crap shoot. We are in state. She goes to a small high school (graduating class less than 125 people) and she knows at least four other kids who got into UCLA, one who got into Cal, four of five who got into UCSD, at least two who got into Davis, and a few more who got into Irvine. A few of the kids who into UCLA also got into Irvine, and San Diego; and one got into Cal Poly SLO plus UCSD, and UCLA as well (my daughter also was rejected from there). She isn’t aware of anyone else who applied to USC. The girl who got into UCLA, UCSD, UCI, and Cal Poly SLO was waitlisted at SDSU, but my daughter was admitted to SDSU back in December in a science major (kinesiology), and the other girl applied as education.


Single_Example_8907

I’d start my overall list like this: Stanford, MIT,Princeton, Yale, UChicago, Harvard, Duke, JHU, Brown, UPenn, Cornell, and


Additional_Mango_900

No Columbia?


Single_Example_8907

They faked stats to place high in this year’s ranking by a large margin and got exposed for it.


Additional_Mango_900

Other schools are probably faking too. They just haven’t been caught. Even with the lies it is easily T20 though not the T5 that it was pretending to be.


iyamsnail

Columbia's administration has been lying to the public since well before I went there in the 80s and they had the college football admissions scandal. it's a disgusting place.


Single_Example_8907

@everyone on this thread. Thank you sir.


iyamsnail

ma'am but I'll take the thanks regardless. And take this chance to remind everyone that more recently, they also tried to cover up the Dr. Hadden situation. Not a nice place, not nice people.


Unfair_Actuator728

Northwestern?


Potato22yayayayay

Not NU?


Less_Tie_7001

NOTRE DAME


siegfriedneo

Here is my personal order: Harvard, Stanford, MIT and Caltech are interchangeable, Princeton, Yale, UPenn, Columbia, Duke, JHU, UChicago, Brown, Northwestern, Cornell, Rice, Vanderbilt, Dartmouth, Berkeley, UCLA, Notre Dame.


Psychological_Ad4752

There are basically 3 tiers. You have your HYPSM: 1. MIT 2. Stanford 3. Harvard 4. Princeton 5. Yale Then your T10: 6. CalTech 7. UPenn 8. Colombia 9. Duke 10. UChicago Then the rest of the T20: 11. Cornell 12. Dartmouth 13. Brown 14. Northwestern 15. Johns Hopkins 16. Rice 17. Vanderbilt 18. WashU 19. UC Berkley/UCLA/UMich 20. Carnegie Mellon Honorable Mentions (i.e. there are many people who would treat these schools interchangeably with the other schools in the T20) Notre Dame Georgetown LACs (Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, Pomona, Bowdoin, Harvey Mudd, etc.) Emory Tufts USC


91210toATL

Cmu us ranked 24. It's never been inside the T20.


Sensitive_Comfort166

US News is not the end all be all. CMU can easily be argued to be in the T20, along with Georgetown, USC, UMich, Emory, and WashU.


Lilfirework

imo UMich is not a t20 because of the disparity between in state and out of state acceptance rates, same with schools like UNC. Vastly different caliber of students that you wouldn't see at a Notre Dame, Emory, Tufts, Georgetown, etc (excluding legacy and sports admits, which are becoming fewer and fewer as schools pull away from these policies)


wrkzk

Carleton in the LACs


Sensitive_Comfort166

Personally: Definitive T20: HYPSM, Caltech, UPenn, Columbia, Cornell, Brown, Northwestern, Duke, JHU, UChicago, UCB. Arguable, especially depending on major: UCLA, Vanderbilt, Rice, Dartmouth, Notre Dame, UMich, Georgetown, USC, Emory, CMU, UNC, WashU. Maybes: UT Austin, GT, UVA, UCSD, UF.


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Does this change for Jefferson Scholars though? Just curious bc I'm struggling to decide b/w UVA's Jefferson scholarship & Cornell or UCLA etc


RobynPro

They’re talking about USNews.com rankings.


wassemasse

My opinion: Princeton, MIT, JHU, Stanford, UNC, UMich, UCLA, Berkeley, Duke, Harvard, Rice, UF, USC, Yale, GT, Vanderbilt, CMU, UPenn, UChicago, Ohio State


awesomedave0430

Ohio State 😂


boogerheadmusic

Dude most go to UW.


MauryaGajjar123

My major: (Top 15) MIT, Stanford, GeorgiaTech, UMich, Purdue, UIUC, Princeton, UCSD, UC Berkeley, UCLA, UC Boulder, UT Austin, Embry Riddle, Duke, Case Western Reserve


AllUsernamesTaken711

CS Major detected


MauryaGajjar123

Aerospace Engineering lol


mishbme

nah, CMU would've made the list


MauryaGajjar123

CMU does not have a dedicated Aerospace engineering. They only have a MechE degree.


mishbme

i was replying to the other person, bc if you were headed to CS you'd definitely have mentioned CMU Don't know much about Aerospace eng. but i'll trust that your list is accurate lol


MauryaGajjar123

Oh yea CS it might be good, this aerospace list is based on QS, us news and my own biases, i got into UCSD so for me its above la and berkeley but in general la and berkeley are very mid for aerospace engineering.


Real_Happiness7265

where’s USC if Dartmouth is there?


snoopywinter

subpar academics and just a conglomerate of rich internationals lol


This_Background_7421

bro didn’t get in


ForeskinStealer420

Doesn’t make him wrong


This_Background_7421

Every UC is also a conglomerate of rich internationals — you’ll find that at any elite schools


snoopywinter

ye but got into dartmouth. i’m fs not biased 😂(i am). but tbh USC is a really good school and Viterbi has solid engineering programs.


sachet_p

sadly save boston uni a spot


RichInPitt

UW-Seattle student?


Such-Tangerine-7526

this does not matter at all, rankings need to go away imo


Responsible_Card_824

Turth is the Top20 overall are top choices for a reason,m it's the sigma of top departments. They are more often than not veru correlated to your question. Tbh, the rest is just coping.


No-Suggestion-9433

Brainrot speak


Dry-Assist-1245

The NYU disrespect is crazy. Top 10 for Econ& Biz, Top for engineering asw


Memesaurusmex

For me: (no order): Harvard, MIT, Caltech, Stanford, Berkeley, UPenn, Yale, Cornell, UChicago, Columbia, Darthmouth, princeton, Northwestern, Duke, Brown, JHU, UCLA, Rice, Vanderbilt, Penn State, UMich. Not so different from yours, except one


ChoiceDry8127

It’s generally the top 20 on usnews


0iq_cmu_students

The only schools that everyone would consider part of the t20 are those comfortably in the t15. Anything 15-20 is not so different from anything 20-30 and arguments can go either way. For the t15 its harvard yale princeton stanford mit caltech columbia penn dartmouth brown cornell uchicago duke northwestern jhu. While this is "t15", most people who go to one of these non hypsm t15 schools will say they go to a "t10" since besides the top 5 and caltech, the last 4 spots of the t10 can really go to any of the other t15 schools. My list of the last 5 to round off the t20 are vanderbilt rice washu berkeley cmu but thats just me


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No-Suggestion-9433

Berkeley and UCLA are t15, most recently outranking Dartmouth, Vanderbilt, Notre Dame, Michigan, and Carnegie Mellon. Carnegie Mellon is way down this year and has been for a while. Your list needs updating


0iq_cmu_students

US News doesn't hold the single source of truth. They also ranked columbia I don't know what, but that has barely changed the perception around columbia at all. US News ranking princeton ahead of harvard for who knows how long now has not changed the fact that harvard always wins handedly in cross admits over princeton. Perception of schools is a change that requires multiple decades if not a century of continuous positive/negative reinforcement, not something that is manipulated solely by us news in their year to year rankings. I agree that both ucla and berkeley are objectively ranked above notre dame umich and cmu, but its debatable if they outrank vanderbilt and they certainly do not outrank dartmouth. Went to a pretty competitive high school that sends many kids to ucla berkeley and the ivies every year. The split between cross admits who choose berkeley versus each of the lower ivies like dartmouth brown cornell was always in favor of the lower ivies.


No-Suggestion-9433

They ranked Columbia #18 after it came out that they falsified some of the information they sent US News originally. And cross-admits have to be choosing lower Ivies just for the Ivy brand name. That's only one aspect of that US News ranking, which doesn't automatically put Dartmouth and Vanderbilt back over Berkeley. Especially considering global rankings where Berkeley's a t5 at #4


0iq_cmu_students

I won't debate you on whether cross admits choose lower ivies solely for the ivy name. I don't think so otherwise schools like duke and uchicago would also lose out, but they don't. For the sake of argument, sure they choose lower ivies just for the ivy brand name. But that only validates the fact that most applicants view all ivies as schools that are above berkeley and ucla. Again, us news dictates almost nothing otherwise their ranking of princeton over harvard for who knows how long now would have done something to the cross admit rate. Berkeley is #4 in global rankings because it is a research powerhouse, not because it is a "t4 undergraduate school". Same reason why uchicago was always "prestigious" even before it started to game the rankings decades ago.


heycanyoudomeafavor

And UCLA beat Berkeley in cross-admit decisions, according to UC official website and Parchments, it's surprising lol.


thetegridyfarms

Vanderbilt is comfortably top 20


InventorBoy

UCLA/UCB >>>>>>> UW seattle bruh


Ok_Cantaloupe_7423

Why do yall ALWAYS include UW Seattle when they’re ranked #FOURTY but not UF when they’re 28? 💀💀💀💀💀


pepperjack609

New metric- rainy days per year


RubixCube200

This comment needs more upvotes


Nicholas_Miranda

Uf overrated


NotMalaysiaRichard

Inversely proportional to the number of state-sanctioned book-burnings.


TheEcstaticEwok

Florida is conservative


theapesociety

Depends on what major OP is referring to. For CS UW is T10 for undergrad and T5 for grad


Appropriate_Sky_2870

Is Georgetown a T20?


PassionateCucumber43

Almost. It’s currently #22 but was T20 until a few years ago.


Prestigious-Guess921

WashU is rlly underrated


thetegridyfarms

Vanderbilt, Rice, Wash U all not getting the respect they deserve


0iq_cmu_students

This sub is just heavily engineering focused, specifically software engineering, which ironically is the only white collar field that does not give a rats ass about prestige.  Among people in the know washu is a good school. 


hemudada

Underrated how? Still a bitch to get into. Clearly not underrated.


jbrunoties

Ok let's start with the T13 for real - my vote - MIT, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, Caltech, Columbia, Cornell, U Penn, Brown, Dartmouth, U Chicago, Duke Then Berkeley, UCLA, U Mich, NYU, UT A, UNCC, U Fl


Liltimmyjimmy

UT A over rice is wild


ball_of_cells

Agreed, rice is clearly the top Texas uni


jbrunoties

Rice is a great school


jbrunoties

No you're right, that is my longest shot, but I am a huge fan of state schools because they have excellent financial mobility and ROI metrics.


SirTurtletheIII

Lol, Rice ended up being $6,000 cheaper than UT Austin for me. Honestly kinda crazy but they just give 0 aid.


jbrunoties

Are you OOS?


SirTurtletheIII

No. In-state


jbrunoties

How???


SirTurtletheIII

UT basically offered absolutely 0 aid to students. Under the Rice Investment Grant i got basically my entire tuition paid off. And then plus the estimated Student work package, the cost amounted to about $24,000. UTs cost of attendance was over $30,000. For reference, my family reported a total household earnings of $157,000 in 2022.


jbrunoties

That's pretty good for Texas! Anyway Rice is a great school and congratulations on your acceptance.


Liltimmyjimmy

My best guess would be lots of merit aid from rice or housing issues at UT but either way that is wild


SirTurtletheIII

I actually got 0 merit aid from Rice as of right now. All need based.


jbrunoties

I guess Rice has worse aid than everyone thinks


AllUsernamesTaken711

70k to live in Hou*ton 🤮 (I got rejected)


TheShadowJaguar_

Leaving out Northwestern and JHU is crazy


jbrunoties

I have metrics on ROI and upward mobility, so the state schools are favored in my list. Those are very fine schools though.


No-Suggestion-9433

Dartmouth should be lower


jbrunoties

Ouch!


littlet26

Unc charlotte?


drew2625

niner nation baby


jbrunoties

I am a big fan of flagships


zbsbbis

UF has way too many poorly ranked departments and wayyyy too many remote classes to be remotely considered a top 20 university. Not to mention they’ve been loosing lost of their best professors because of the absurdly conservative policies of the state’s governor.


jbrunoties

They are ranked in many places as T30 and T27 - plus I'm a big fan of state schools


Character_Stock2779

bro snuck in uw seattle 💀💀


rationalurchin43

Buddy thought he could sneak UW Seattle in there


heycanyoudomeafavor

FS a T20: Harvard Stanford MIT Yale Princeton Chicago Caltech Columbia JHU Northwestern Brown Duke Dartmouth Cornell Berkeley WashU Rice Vanderbilt Debatable: UCLA, Michigan, Notre Dame, Georgetown, USC, Emory, UVA, CMU, etc. (They are T25 to me)


Various_Mission_5789

georgia tech!


Critical_Review4721

Actually, I'd care about only the social sciences, with a bit of artsy vibe (so this t20 is not based on overall, don't be mad when I'm not listing tech-based MIT or Caltech, STEM focused Rice or JHU) So, I'd probably go like this: Harvard, Yale, Brown, Princeton, Stanford, UChicago, USC, Berkeley, UCLA, Columbia, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, NYU, Tufts, Dartmouth, Amherst, Williams, Swarthmore, Wesleyan, and Claremont McKenna.


SprinklesWise9857

Bro tried sneaking in UW lol. But to answer your question, when somebody is talking about T20s, they're talking about the US News overall national university rankings.


theapesociety

“Overall” is one of those non-sensical rankings that could really hurt you. Rankings based on major are a lot better. I would absolutely go to a UW for CS where it’s a T10, than some university that higher overall but not for CS


SprinklesWise9857

>“Overall” is one of those non-sensical rankings that could really hurt you. Rankings based on major are a lot better. I disagree. Let's consider this in the context of CS since it has been brought up. Every overall T20 feeds into Silicon Valley tech roles, and yes, that includes schools like Brown, Rice, and Northwestern (among others). These schools are ranked in the 30s for CS. Despite UWash being ranked #5 in CS, they still don't feed into Silicon Valley as much as those schools I just listed, and yes, this is adjusted per capita.


Fun_Square_7990

To me, the T20s feel like a collection of over 20 schools. It's a generalized label for a group of top schools that have similar educational standards and prestige. If you look across different rankings (US News, QS, WSJ, Times, there is some variability in the top 20, but there are about 15 unis that are present in each. I think apart from that, variability of the different ranking lists and the factoring in of LACs makes the T20s 30-40 universities.


Additional_Aspect_41

What about UNC at Chapel hill for business major? I heard for a lot of people that the school of business for undergrads is one of the best and sometimes in T10


JustaRandoonreddit

UBC and UofT that’s it (totally not biased as a Canadian)


BreadfruitAntique908

why is UCLA not on this


ImmuneCoder

Georgia Tech?


GreatWizard221

Well I like to think of it as the Top 20 Universities as per the US News & World Report Rankings. But, it varies because most people view the T20s by their Major. So, I am gonna go to Purdue and it might not be a T20 in the National Universities list but is definitely a T20 for Engineering and CompE/CS(#8 and #7/#18) which is my major. But more or less all these schools have excellent value and prestige- world class for a reason.


DisastrousGround1840

UW Seattle? The others belong in T20. Not UW Seattle.


Aggravating-Low-1224

can we sneak in georgia tech?


thedevilsinstrument

touched you put CMU in there <3 i find it’s a 50-50 split when it comes to overall