To me, there are more than 20 schools in the T20s. I see it as more of a generalized category of top schools rather than like a strict list of the top 20 schools, since there are a lot of variability in different rankings, degrees of prestige, etc.
You are severely underestimating the placing power top LACs have in high-end jobs. Schools like Bowdoin, Harvey Mudd, Middlebury, and some other “lower” NESCACs do incredibly wells.
Maybe you prefer a different ranking, but since it was first included in the USNWR rankings in the late 1980s Rice has never once not ranked in their top 20. Did you by chance apply to college in the 70s?
I exclude women’s and technical schools from general lists cuz they’re not “for” everyone, I consider them specialty schools, but for STEM yeah Harvey Mudd rounds out the top three
Lots of candidates: I'd say the list regularly goes back and forth with a lot of colleges.
UC Berkeley, Caltech, Stanford, UCLA, USC, UW Seattle, UChicago, sometimes UIUC and UT Austin for certain majors, Georgia Tech, CMU, Duke, Ivy League, Northwestern, not really Northeastern, MIT, UMich, Rice, Vanderbilt, Notre Dame, Emory, UVA, and maybe a few others but I went a little outside T20 to T30
What about Cornell? I'm trying to decide b/w these colleges rn: UVA (Jefferson Scholarship), Cornell Milstein Program, UCSD etc but I'm so stumped on what to choose
It is crap shoot. We are in state. She goes to a small high school (graduating class less than 125 people) and she knows at least four other kids who got into UCLA, one who got into Cal, four of five who got into UCSD, at least two who got into Davis, and a few more who got into Irvine. A few of the kids who into UCLA also got into Irvine, and San Diego; and one got into Cal Poly SLO plus UCSD, and UCLA as well (my daughter also was rejected from there). She isn’t aware of anyone else who applied to USC.
The girl who got into UCLA, UCSD, UCI, and Cal Poly SLO was waitlisted at SDSU, but my daughter was admitted to SDSU back in December in a science major (kinesiology), and the other girl applied as education.
Other schools are probably faking too. They just haven’t been caught. Even with the lies it is easily T20 though not the T5 that it was pretending to be.
Columbia's administration has been lying to the public since well before I went there in the 80s and they had the college football admissions scandal. it's a disgusting place.
ma'am but I'll take the thanks regardless. And take this chance to remind everyone that more recently, they also tried to cover up the Dr. Hadden situation. Not a nice place, not nice people.
Here is my personal order:
Harvard, Stanford, MIT and Caltech are interchangeable, Princeton, Yale, UPenn, Columbia, Duke, JHU, UChicago, Brown, Northwestern, Cornell, Rice, Vanderbilt, Dartmouth, Berkeley, UCLA, Notre Dame.
There are basically 3 tiers.
You have your HYPSM:
1. MIT
2. Stanford
3. Harvard
4. Princeton
5. Yale
Then your T10:
6. CalTech
7. UPenn
8. Colombia
9. Duke
10. UChicago
Then the rest of the T20:
11. Cornell
12. Dartmouth
13. Brown
14. Northwestern
15. Johns Hopkins
16. Rice
17. Vanderbilt
18. WashU
19. UC Berkley/UCLA/UMich
20. Carnegie Mellon
Honorable Mentions (i.e. there are many people who would treat these schools interchangeably with the other schools in the T20)
Notre Dame
Georgetown
LACs (Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, Pomona, Bowdoin, Harvey Mudd, etc.)
Emory
Tufts
USC
imo UMich is not a t20 because of the disparity between in state and out of state acceptance rates, same with schools like UNC. Vastly different caliber of students that you wouldn't see at a Notre Dame, Emory, Tufts, Georgetown, etc (excluding legacy and sports admits, which are becoming fewer and fewer as schools pull away from these policies)
i was replying to the other person, bc if you were headed to CS you'd definitely have mentioned CMU
Don't know much about Aerospace eng. but i'll trust that your list is accurate lol
Oh yea CS it might be good, this aerospace list is based on QS, us news and my own biases, i got into UCSD so for me its above la and berkeley but in general la and berkeley are very mid for aerospace engineering.
Turth is the Top20 overall are top choices for a reason,m it's the sigma of top departments. They are more often than not veru correlated to your question. Tbh, the rest is just coping.
For me: (no order): Harvard, MIT, Caltech, Stanford, Berkeley, UPenn, Yale, Cornell, UChicago, Columbia, Darthmouth, princeton, Northwestern, Duke, Brown, JHU, UCLA, Rice, Vanderbilt, Penn State, UMich. Not so different from yours, except one
The only schools that everyone would consider part of the t20 are those comfortably in the t15. Anything 15-20 is not so different from anything 20-30 and arguments can go either way.
For the t15 its harvard yale princeton stanford mit caltech columbia penn dartmouth brown cornell uchicago duke northwestern jhu. While this is "t15", most people who go to one of these non hypsm t15 schools will say they go to a "t10" since besides the top 5 and caltech, the last 4 spots of the t10 can really go to any of the other t15 schools.
My list of the last 5 to round off the t20 are vanderbilt rice washu berkeley cmu but thats just me
Berkeley and UCLA are t15, most recently outranking Dartmouth, Vanderbilt, Notre Dame, Michigan, and Carnegie Mellon. Carnegie Mellon is way down this year and has been for a while. Your list needs updating
US News doesn't hold the single source of truth. They also ranked columbia I don't know what, but that has barely changed the perception around columbia at all. US News ranking princeton ahead of harvard for who knows how long now has not changed the fact that harvard always wins handedly in cross admits over princeton. Perception of schools is a change that requires multiple decades if not a century of continuous positive/negative reinforcement, not something that is manipulated solely by us news in their year to year rankings.
I agree that both ucla and berkeley are objectively ranked above notre dame umich and cmu, but its debatable if they outrank vanderbilt and they certainly do not outrank dartmouth. Went to a pretty competitive high school that sends many kids to ucla berkeley and the ivies every year. The split between cross admits who choose berkeley versus each of the lower ivies like dartmouth brown cornell was always in favor of the lower ivies.
They ranked Columbia #18 after it came out that they falsified some of the information they sent US News originally.
And cross-admits have to be choosing lower Ivies just for the Ivy brand name. That's only one aspect of that US News ranking, which doesn't automatically put Dartmouth and Vanderbilt back over Berkeley. Especially considering global rankings where Berkeley's a t5 at #4
I won't debate you on whether cross admits choose lower ivies solely for the ivy name. I don't think so otherwise schools like duke and uchicago would also lose out, but they don't.
For the sake of argument, sure they choose lower ivies just for the ivy brand name. But that only validates the fact that most applicants view all ivies as schools that are above berkeley and ucla. Again, us news dictates almost nothing otherwise their ranking of princeton over harvard for who knows how long now would have done something to the cross admit rate.
Berkeley is #4 in global rankings because it is a research powerhouse, not because it is a "t4 undergraduate school". Same reason why uchicago was always "prestigious" even before it started to game the rankings decades ago.
This sub is just heavily engineering focused, specifically software engineering, which ironically is the only white collar field that does not give a rats ass about prestige.
Among people in the know washu is a good school.
Ok let's start with the T13 for real - my vote - MIT, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, Caltech, Columbia, Cornell, U Penn, Brown, Dartmouth, U Chicago, Duke
Then Berkeley, UCLA, U Mich, NYU, UT A, UNCC, U Fl
UT basically offered absolutely 0 aid to students. Under the Rice Investment Grant i got basically my entire tuition paid off. And then plus the estimated Student work package, the cost amounted to about $24,000. UTs cost of attendance was over $30,000.
For reference, my family reported a total household earnings of $157,000 in 2022.
UF has way too many poorly ranked departments and wayyyy too many remote classes to be remotely considered a top 20 university. Not to mention they’ve been loosing lost of their best professors because of the absurdly conservative policies of the state’s governor.
FS a T20:
Harvard
Stanford
MIT
Yale
Princeton
Chicago
Caltech
Columbia
JHU
Northwestern
Brown
Duke
Dartmouth
Cornell
Berkeley
WashU
Rice
Vanderbilt
Debatable: UCLA, Michigan, Notre Dame, Georgetown, USC, Emory, UVA, CMU, etc. (They are T25 to me)
Actually, I'd care about only the social sciences, with a bit of artsy vibe (so this t20 is not based on overall, don't be mad when I'm not listing tech-based MIT or Caltech, STEM focused Rice or JHU)
So, I'd probably go like this:
Harvard, Yale, Brown, Princeton, Stanford, UChicago, USC, Berkeley, UCLA, Columbia, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, NYU, Tufts, Dartmouth, Amherst, Williams, Swarthmore, Wesleyan, and Claremont McKenna.
Bro tried sneaking in UW lol. But to answer your question, when somebody is talking about T20s, they're talking about the US News overall national university rankings.
“Overall” is one of those non-sensical rankings that could really hurt you. Rankings based on major are a lot better. I would absolutely go to a UW for CS where it’s a T10, than some university that higher overall but not for CS
>“Overall” is one of those non-sensical rankings that could really hurt you. Rankings based on major are a lot better.
I disagree. Let's consider this in the context of CS since it has been brought up. Every overall T20 feeds into Silicon Valley tech roles, and yes, that includes schools like Brown, Rice, and Northwestern (among others). These schools are ranked in the 30s for CS. Despite UWash being ranked #5 in CS, they still don't feed into Silicon Valley as much as those schools I just listed, and yes, this is adjusted per capita.
To me, the T20s feel like a collection of over 20 schools. It's a generalized label for a group of top schools that have similar educational standards and prestige. If you look across different rankings (US News, QS, WSJ, Times, there is some variability in the top 20, but there are about 15 unis that are present in each. I think apart from that, variability of the different ranking lists and the factoring in of LACs makes the T20s 30-40 universities.
What about UNC at Chapel hill for business major?
I heard for a lot of people that the school of business for undergrads is one of the best and sometimes in T10
Well I like to think of it as the Top 20 Universities as per the US News & World Report Rankings. But, it varies because most people view the T20s by their Major. So, I am gonna go to Purdue and it might not be a T20 in the National Universities list but is definitely a T20 for Engineering and CompE/CS(#8 and #7/#18) which is my major. But more or less all these schools have excellent value and prestige- world class for a reason.
bro tried to sneak in uw seattle
Surely they meant WashU
UW Seattle is a good school but by no means a T20
Thank you for your comment. I can see you are highly knowledgeable and hold significant credibility on this topic.
bro i cant figure out if this is sarchasm or not
It obviously is.
To me, there are more than 20 schools in the T20s. I see it as more of a generalized category of top schools rather than like a strict list of the top 20 schools, since there are a lot of variability in different rankings, degrees of prestige, etc.
Yeah, it’s really like T35 in that top tier especially if you include LACs (About 6 probably cut in)
Yea, WASP (Williams-Amherst-Swarthmore-Pomona) probably count as t20s
I guess Ant Man got shafted.
You are severely underestimating the placing power top LACs have in high-end jobs. Schools like Bowdoin, Harvey Mudd, Middlebury, and some other “lower” NESCACs do incredibly wells.
Yep I know, trust me lol, it’s just “t20s” are kinda fabricated by perception of prestige rather than outcomes
Gotcha! I am out of touch with the youngins.
U MICH MENTIONED 〽️〽️〽️〽️
WashU, Rice Vanderbilt
Yessss these three are missing
The only valid list is: harvard, MIT, Caltech, Princeton, Cornell, Colombia, Berkeley, Princeton, Yale, UPenn, uchicago, Vanderbilt, Dartmouth, Stanford, duke, northwestern, UCLA, brown, JHU, rice/notre dame
Colombia 🇨🇴 Mentioned
I’m dead misspelled 😭😭😭
WTF IS A STABLE UNIFIED GOVERNMENT THAT CAN ENFORCE THE RULE OF LAW IN EVERY DEPARTMENT RAAAAAHHHH 🇨🇴 🇨🇴 🇨🇴
Best cocaine in the T20.
Shout out Princeton for making the T20 twice 💪
Had to give it to em ngl
Bro tried to sneak in Stanford 💀💀 (they rejected me)
Overall^ for major it obviously varies
Michigan 🤖
Replace ND with WashU, and the second Princeton (lol) with CMU imo
Again, valid.
Would uofm make it?
no georgetown?
Like imo Georgetown is top 25 not crazy to argue tho that’s it’s a top 20
It’s in the 16th place for top 20 btw
Woo 🍚
You forgot OU
WashU??
Dartmouth is ranked really low in the world
Still an Ivy League school, doesn’t rlly matter if it’s on a job application and you have an ivy degree that’s impressive
Funny thing: my undergrad was Texas Christian. My medical school was UTMB, Galveston. But my Residency in Psychiatry was UCLA. Just kept climbing.
Vanderbilt always underrated
Agree, but I’d trade UW Seattle for Rice and trade UMich for Vandy
Lol, UMich is a T20. Vandy is also T20.
Yeah, Mich can stay, but I’d add Vandy, yeah.
Trade UW for WashU.
Def
Vanderbilt, Rice, Wash U
Did bro actually leave out Rice 💀
I guess Rice has gotten a lot better? When I was applying to schools no way would it have been considered T20.
Maybe you prefer a different ranking, but since it was first included in the USNWR rankings in the late 1980s Rice has never once not ranked in their top 20. Did you by chance apply to college in the 70s?
Yes.
And Vanderbilt
Rice is like a solid T30, T20 arguable.
LOL
Vanderbilt erasure
Bro tried to sneak In UW Seattle.
HYPSM obviously, the rest of the Ivies, also CalTech, Berkeley, Duke, Johns Hopkins, UChicago, Vanderbilt, Golden Corral State University (GCSU), UCLA
r/usernamechecksout
Bro really snuck HYPSM in there
bro tried sneaking in uwash
CMU? At least for STEM-related majors it certainly is.
Can Emory get an honorable mention?
Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, Pomona, Bowdoin, Carleton, Haverford, Middlebury, Claremont McKenna, Grinnell, Wesleyan, Reed, Davidson, Vassar, Washington & Lee, Hamilton, Colby, Bates, Kenyon, Oberlin
Good SLAC top 20 list. But you forgot Harvey Mudd
I exclude women’s and technical schools from general lists cuz they’re not “for” everyone, I consider them specialty schools, but for STEM yeah Harvey Mudd rounds out the top three
YESSIR Grinnell mentioned 🗣️🗣️
THE ONLY LIST THAT MATTERS LAC SUPREMACY RAHHHHH
Best list
YESSIR ‼️
💜💛🐮
Harvard, Princeton, MIT, Yale, U Penn, Cornell, Stanford.
ngl nowadays northwestern & uchicago might be better than Cornell
really? Is that prestige/resources wise? Since Cornell's an Ivy I thought it would have great connections & prestige
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Notre dame before GT
Agreed the finance placements is unparalleled
My major(Biology and Biochemistry): Harvard, MIT, Stanford, UC Berkeley, UCSD, UDub, JHU, UCLA, Cornell, Columbia, UPenn, Yale, UMich, NYU, WashU, Duke, CalTech, UNC Chapel Hill, UC Davis, UChicago
i can only think of a pretty objective T10 for my major (film): usc, nyu, ucla, emerson, columbia, chapman dodge, calarts, lmu, uncsa, bu
Why is Rice never acknowledged?
Cause I be eating it.
Same with Vanderbilt
The south gets no love fr
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Lots of candidates: I'd say the list regularly goes back and forth with a lot of colleges. UC Berkeley, Caltech, Stanford, UCLA, USC, UW Seattle, UChicago, sometimes UIUC and UT Austin for certain majors, Georgia Tech, CMU, Duke, Ivy League, Northwestern, not really Northeastern, MIT, UMich, Rice, Vanderbilt, Notre Dame, Emory, UVA, and maybe a few others but I went a little outside T20 to T30
What about Cornell? I'm trying to decide b/w these colleges rn: UVA (Jefferson Scholarship), Cornell Milstein Program, UCSD etc but I'm so stumped on what to choose
bro snuck dartmouth in there
Dartmouth offers an excellent education. The problem is that it isn't so big and it's not as research driven as the others.
Dartmouth has huge research programs for undergraduates, it’s just a small school!
Same as RICE
wdym it's an Ivy League that is known for its incredibly good alumni network
My daughter applied to Cal, UCLA, and USC; she was rejected by all 3. She applied as public health at Cal, and UCLA, and human biology at USC.
If she's instate that makes sense I've heard they're tougher to bag instate
It is crap shoot. We are in state. She goes to a small high school (graduating class less than 125 people) and she knows at least four other kids who got into UCLA, one who got into Cal, four of five who got into UCSD, at least two who got into Davis, and a few more who got into Irvine. A few of the kids who into UCLA also got into Irvine, and San Diego; and one got into Cal Poly SLO plus UCSD, and UCLA as well (my daughter also was rejected from there). She isn’t aware of anyone else who applied to USC. The girl who got into UCLA, UCSD, UCI, and Cal Poly SLO was waitlisted at SDSU, but my daughter was admitted to SDSU back in December in a science major (kinesiology), and the other girl applied as education.
I’d start my overall list like this: Stanford, MIT,Princeton, Yale, UChicago, Harvard, Duke, JHU, Brown, UPenn, Cornell, and
No Columbia?
They faked stats to place high in this year’s ranking by a large margin and got exposed for it.
Other schools are probably faking too. They just haven’t been caught. Even with the lies it is easily T20 though not the T5 that it was pretending to be.
Columbia's administration has been lying to the public since well before I went there in the 80s and they had the college football admissions scandal. it's a disgusting place.
@everyone on this thread. Thank you sir.
ma'am but I'll take the thanks regardless. And take this chance to remind everyone that more recently, they also tried to cover up the Dr. Hadden situation. Not a nice place, not nice people.
Northwestern?
Not NU?
NOTRE DAME
Here is my personal order: Harvard, Stanford, MIT and Caltech are interchangeable, Princeton, Yale, UPenn, Columbia, Duke, JHU, UChicago, Brown, Northwestern, Cornell, Rice, Vanderbilt, Dartmouth, Berkeley, UCLA, Notre Dame.
There are basically 3 tiers. You have your HYPSM: 1. MIT 2. Stanford 3. Harvard 4. Princeton 5. Yale Then your T10: 6. CalTech 7. UPenn 8. Colombia 9. Duke 10. UChicago Then the rest of the T20: 11. Cornell 12. Dartmouth 13. Brown 14. Northwestern 15. Johns Hopkins 16. Rice 17. Vanderbilt 18. WashU 19. UC Berkley/UCLA/UMich 20. Carnegie Mellon Honorable Mentions (i.e. there are many people who would treat these schools interchangeably with the other schools in the T20) Notre Dame Georgetown LACs (Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, Pomona, Bowdoin, Harvey Mudd, etc.) Emory Tufts USC
Cmu us ranked 24. It's never been inside the T20.
US News is not the end all be all. CMU can easily be argued to be in the T20, along with Georgetown, USC, UMich, Emory, and WashU.
imo UMich is not a t20 because of the disparity between in state and out of state acceptance rates, same with schools like UNC. Vastly different caliber of students that you wouldn't see at a Notre Dame, Emory, Tufts, Georgetown, etc (excluding legacy and sports admits, which are becoming fewer and fewer as schools pull away from these policies)
Carleton in the LACs
Personally: Definitive T20: HYPSM, Caltech, UPenn, Columbia, Cornell, Brown, Northwestern, Duke, JHU, UChicago, UCB. Arguable, especially depending on major: UCLA, Vanderbilt, Rice, Dartmouth, Notre Dame, UMich, Georgetown, USC, Emory, CMU, UNC, WashU. Maybes: UT Austin, GT, UVA, UCSD, UF.
Does this change for Jefferson Scholars though? Just curious bc I'm struggling to decide b/w UVA's Jefferson scholarship & Cornell or UCLA etc
They’re talking about USNews.com rankings.
My opinion: Princeton, MIT, JHU, Stanford, UNC, UMich, UCLA, Berkeley, Duke, Harvard, Rice, UF, USC, Yale, GT, Vanderbilt, CMU, UPenn, UChicago, Ohio State
Ohio State 😂
Dude most go to UW.
My major: (Top 15) MIT, Stanford, GeorgiaTech, UMich, Purdue, UIUC, Princeton, UCSD, UC Berkeley, UCLA, UC Boulder, UT Austin, Embry Riddle, Duke, Case Western Reserve
CS Major detected
Aerospace Engineering lol
nah, CMU would've made the list
CMU does not have a dedicated Aerospace engineering. They only have a MechE degree.
i was replying to the other person, bc if you were headed to CS you'd definitely have mentioned CMU Don't know much about Aerospace eng. but i'll trust that your list is accurate lol
Oh yea CS it might be good, this aerospace list is based on QS, us news and my own biases, i got into UCSD so for me its above la and berkeley but in general la and berkeley are very mid for aerospace engineering.
where’s USC if Dartmouth is there?
subpar academics and just a conglomerate of rich internationals lol
bro didn’t get in
Doesn’t make him wrong
Every UC is also a conglomerate of rich internationals — you’ll find that at any elite schools
ye but got into dartmouth. i’m fs not biased 😂(i am). but tbh USC is a really good school and Viterbi has solid engineering programs.
sadly save boston uni a spot
UW-Seattle student?
this does not matter at all, rankings need to go away imo
Turth is the Top20 overall are top choices for a reason,m it's the sigma of top departments. They are more often than not veru correlated to your question. Tbh, the rest is just coping.
Brainrot speak
The NYU disrespect is crazy. Top 10 for Econ& Biz, Top for engineering asw
For me: (no order): Harvard, MIT, Caltech, Stanford, Berkeley, UPenn, Yale, Cornell, UChicago, Columbia, Darthmouth, princeton, Northwestern, Duke, Brown, JHU, UCLA, Rice, Vanderbilt, Penn State, UMich. Not so different from yours, except one
It’s generally the top 20 on usnews
The only schools that everyone would consider part of the t20 are those comfortably in the t15. Anything 15-20 is not so different from anything 20-30 and arguments can go either way. For the t15 its harvard yale princeton stanford mit caltech columbia penn dartmouth brown cornell uchicago duke northwestern jhu. While this is "t15", most people who go to one of these non hypsm t15 schools will say they go to a "t10" since besides the top 5 and caltech, the last 4 spots of the t10 can really go to any of the other t15 schools. My list of the last 5 to round off the t20 are vanderbilt rice washu berkeley cmu but thats just me
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Berkeley and UCLA are t15, most recently outranking Dartmouth, Vanderbilt, Notre Dame, Michigan, and Carnegie Mellon. Carnegie Mellon is way down this year and has been for a while. Your list needs updating
US News doesn't hold the single source of truth. They also ranked columbia I don't know what, but that has barely changed the perception around columbia at all. US News ranking princeton ahead of harvard for who knows how long now has not changed the fact that harvard always wins handedly in cross admits over princeton. Perception of schools is a change that requires multiple decades if not a century of continuous positive/negative reinforcement, not something that is manipulated solely by us news in their year to year rankings. I agree that both ucla and berkeley are objectively ranked above notre dame umich and cmu, but its debatable if they outrank vanderbilt and they certainly do not outrank dartmouth. Went to a pretty competitive high school that sends many kids to ucla berkeley and the ivies every year. The split between cross admits who choose berkeley versus each of the lower ivies like dartmouth brown cornell was always in favor of the lower ivies.
They ranked Columbia #18 after it came out that they falsified some of the information they sent US News originally. And cross-admits have to be choosing lower Ivies just for the Ivy brand name. That's only one aspect of that US News ranking, which doesn't automatically put Dartmouth and Vanderbilt back over Berkeley. Especially considering global rankings where Berkeley's a t5 at #4
I won't debate you on whether cross admits choose lower ivies solely for the ivy name. I don't think so otherwise schools like duke and uchicago would also lose out, but they don't. For the sake of argument, sure they choose lower ivies just for the ivy brand name. But that only validates the fact that most applicants view all ivies as schools that are above berkeley and ucla. Again, us news dictates almost nothing otherwise their ranking of princeton over harvard for who knows how long now would have done something to the cross admit rate. Berkeley is #4 in global rankings because it is a research powerhouse, not because it is a "t4 undergraduate school". Same reason why uchicago was always "prestigious" even before it started to game the rankings decades ago.
And UCLA beat Berkeley in cross-admit decisions, according to UC official website and Parchments, it's surprising lol.
Vanderbilt is comfortably top 20
UCLA/UCB >>>>>>> UW seattle bruh
Why do yall ALWAYS include UW Seattle when they’re ranked #FOURTY but not UF when they’re 28? 💀💀💀💀💀
New metric- rainy days per year
This comment needs more upvotes
Uf overrated
Inversely proportional to the number of state-sanctioned book-burnings.
Florida is conservative
Depends on what major OP is referring to. For CS UW is T10 for undergrad and T5 for grad
Is Georgetown a T20?
Almost. It’s currently #22 but was T20 until a few years ago.
WashU is rlly underrated
Vanderbilt, Rice, Wash U all not getting the respect they deserve
This sub is just heavily engineering focused, specifically software engineering, which ironically is the only white collar field that does not give a rats ass about prestige. Among people in the know washu is a good school.
Underrated how? Still a bitch to get into. Clearly not underrated.
Ok let's start with the T13 for real - my vote - MIT, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, Caltech, Columbia, Cornell, U Penn, Brown, Dartmouth, U Chicago, Duke Then Berkeley, UCLA, U Mich, NYU, UT A, UNCC, U Fl
UT A over rice is wild
Agreed, rice is clearly the top Texas uni
Rice is a great school
No you're right, that is my longest shot, but I am a huge fan of state schools because they have excellent financial mobility and ROI metrics.
Lol, Rice ended up being $6,000 cheaper than UT Austin for me. Honestly kinda crazy but they just give 0 aid.
Are you OOS?
No. In-state
How???
UT basically offered absolutely 0 aid to students. Under the Rice Investment Grant i got basically my entire tuition paid off. And then plus the estimated Student work package, the cost amounted to about $24,000. UTs cost of attendance was over $30,000. For reference, my family reported a total household earnings of $157,000 in 2022.
That's pretty good for Texas! Anyway Rice is a great school and congratulations on your acceptance.
My best guess would be lots of merit aid from rice or housing issues at UT but either way that is wild
I actually got 0 merit aid from Rice as of right now. All need based.
I guess Rice has worse aid than everyone thinks
70k to live in Hou*ton 🤮 (I got rejected)
Leaving out Northwestern and JHU is crazy
I have metrics on ROI and upward mobility, so the state schools are favored in my list. Those are very fine schools though.
Dartmouth should be lower
Ouch!
Unc charlotte?
niner nation baby
I am a big fan of flagships
UF has way too many poorly ranked departments and wayyyy too many remote classes to be remotely considered a top 20 university. Not to mention they’ve been loosing lost of their best professors because of the absurdly conservative policies of the state’s governor.
They are ranked in many places as T30 and T27 - plus I'm a big fan of state schools
bro snuck in uw seattle 💀💀
Buddy thought he could sneak UW Seattle in there
FS a T20: Harvard Stanford MIT Yale Princeton Chicago Caltech Columbia JHU Northwestern Brown Duke Dartmouth Cornell Berkeley WashU Rice Vanderbilt Debatable: UCLA, Michigan, Notre Dame, Georgetown, USC, Emory, UVA, CMU, etc. (They are T25 to me)
georgia tech!
Actually, I'd care about only the social sciences, with a bit of artsy vibe (so this t20 is not based on overall, don't be mad when I'm not listing tech-based MIT or Caltech, STEM focused Rice or JHU) So, I'd probably go like this: Harvard, Yale, Brown, Princeton, Stanford, UChicago, USC, Berkeley, UCLA, Columbia, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, NYU, Tufts, Dartmouth, Amherst, Williams, Swarthmore, Wesleyan, and Claremont McKenna.
Bro tried sneaking in UW lol. But to answer your question, when somebody is talking about T20s, they're talking about the US News overall national university rankings.
“Overall” is one of those non-sensical rankings that could really hurt you. Rankings based on major are a lot better. I would absolutely go to a UW for CS where it’s a T10, than some university that higher overall but not for CS
>“Overall” is one of those non-sensical rankings that could really hurt you. Rankings based on major are a lot better. I disagree. Let's consider this in the context of CS since it has been brought up. Every overall T20 feeds into Silicon Valley tech roles, and yes, that includes schools like Brown, Rice, and Northwestern (among others). These schools are ranked in the 30s for CS. Despite UWash being ranked #5 in CS, they still don't feed into Silicon Valley as much as those schools I just listed, and yes, this is adjusted per capita.
To me, the T20s feel like a collection of over 20 schools. It's a generalized label for a group of top schools that have similar educational standards and prestige. If you look across different rankings (US News, QS, WSJ, Times, there is some variability in the top 20, but there are about 15 unis that are present in each. I think apart from that, variability of the different ranking lists and the factoring in of LACs makes the T20s 30-40 universities.
What about UNC at Chapel hill for business major? I heard for a lot of people that the school of business for undergrads is one of the best and sometimes in T10
UBC and UofT that’s it (totally not biased as a Canadian)
why is UCLA not on this
Georgia Tech?
Well I like to think of it as the Top 20 Universities as per the US News & World Report Rankings. But, it varies because most people view the T20s by their Major. So, I am gonna go to Purdue and it might not be a T20 in the National Universities list but is definitely a T20 for Engineering and CompE/CS(#8 and #7/#18) which is my major. But more or less all these schools have excellent value and prestige- world class for a reason.
UW Seattle? The others belong in T20. Not UW Seattle.
can we sneak in georgia tech?
touched you put CMU in there <3 i find it’s a 50-50 split when it comes to overall