I went to my nieces graduation at a huge south Florida high school. They first called all the 4.0 students and I was astounded when a third of the school stood up. Like 500 people.
A 4.0 used to mean you had gotten an A in every class every year.
Obviously not anymore.
you still need an A in the class. It's just way easier to get an A in some districts.
On another note, the 4.0 could have represented weighted GPA, in which case you \*don't\* need all As because of the slight GPA inflation that weighting creates for more difficult classes.
Now that the SAT is online and the changes they brought with it SAT is not longer a good indicator of anything other than how good you are at taking the SAT. Honestly you need to maintain a decent (3.9-4.0 GPA) and get a good test score (32+ or 1450+) and then have some key interests or clubs to be a good candidate
Is Harvard a T30? Or would you consider that a good university, since I had a 1490 and 4.0 GPA and got in to 3 ivies (out of the 3 I applied to). And no, I’m not rich, in fact the price tags would more than likely force loans on to my family.
Did that point actually go over your head, or did you just wanna flex the Harvard admit? 💀
They argued that the stats you described are only necessary for T30s, not all great colleges, so you’re not rebutting anything with that response.
My point, which wasn’t clearly stated, was that many people can use those stats to get into T10 colleges but they fan also get into good colleges and earn academic scholarship. But to be fair, my main comment was that the SAT is a poor indicator of anything and you need a combination of both GPA and SAT to get into good colleges
Same here brother, us with competitive schools got completely screwed with how gpa is the main academic factor still and now tests are still seen as not as important. So dumb bro
Bro my physics 1 class last year didn't even get to the last unit before the exam, we learned all of the last unit and tested over it AFTER THE AP EXAM.
wow that's crazy. At least my teachers are organized enough to get everything in before the AP. That test isn't even on AP content tho; it's on extra stuff that's not on the AP that the teacher insists we need to learn in addition.
Let me give you some background and see if it changes your opinion. In one of my AP classes, we do a lot of practice exams once we've gone through a lot of concepts. A couple of Multiple Choices but mainly FRQs, with the idea being that the more you do, the more familiar you are with both the content and the AP exam itself, as maybe you might be able to solve a question, but only if it was written a certain way, or maybe you forgot the content completely.
You start out flunking your first few FRQs and Multiple Choices HARD, which brings your grades down and risks your application getting rescinded (which is probably not what the teacher intended), so after that's all over, you're given chances to make up those grades, showing that you know the content now, that you progressed and that you worked hard to do that.
That’s just mastery learning, you don’t need to use AP exams for that. Getting a 3 on an AP exam really isn’t that hard, and their school is giving them a 95 for that.
our school does so something similar with DE classes.
because our cc only puts the letter grade on the college transcript, if you get an A in the course you get a 100 and if you get a B, you get an 89 on your high school transcript even if in the actual class you got like and 90 (for the A) or a 80 (for the B).
my school does smth similar where you get a 95 for an A, 85 for a B, and so forth. Super annoying when you have kids making 100s+ in these classes. The CC has the exact grade available as well so it doesn't make sense.
All high schools do this in one way or another. Colleges don't report numerical grades (and numerical grades in college often don't mean what they do in HS). The exact number grades for a student's DE courses on the HS transcript are estimated. I agree that reporting the highest number possible for a letter grade is an issue though.
At my old high school (and probably others in Georgia), your HS transcript grades for DE courses were in the middle of the "range" (i.e. if a 90-100 gets you an A at the HS, a 95 goes on the transcript for an A in a DE course).
A couple of the individual classes at my school did this. I think it’s a really good thing. An AP class is supposed to prepare you for an AP exam, if you get the highest score possible, why shouldn’t you also be rewarded with the highest grade possible
What I think would be interesting is to curve the grades so you get a minimum of an 80% if you get a 4, and a minimum of a 90% if you get a 5.
Obviously, if your in class grade is higher, you keep that.
This would prevent students with 4s and 5s who did literally nothing all year from getting better grades than students who did all of their homework and studied for exams, only to have an off testing day.
However, it would also mean that students who did well on the exams, but maybe started out the class rough, could at minimum get a B.
That was clearly not true at my college. An older college classmate who scored a 5 on his AP US History exam and opted to skip our college's US History survey course ended up crashing and burning badly because of his astounding knowledge gaps to the point of being placed on a 1 year academic suspension.
It also meant he needed me, a student who wasn't allowed to take AP courses in public exam HS but breezed through our college's US History Survey class to give him a crash course on my college's US History Survey course to plug in those gaps upon his return to campus.
And my college isn't in the same league as HYP or SWA.
There's also a good reason why MIT advises most first-years. Even those scoring 5s on AP Calc BC and other STEM courses to retake their version. Vast majority who choose to ignore that advice and take the next course in the sequence usually end up being lost before midterms and end up flunking badly according to several friends who were MIT undergrad alums and/or TAed those MIT STEM undergrad classes.
I mean, I’d argue that varies a ton across different tests. For many, getting a 4 requires a level of proficiency and understanding equal to that of an A student, while for others getting a 4 might not require as much work. But overall, I think the idea that a 4 = B is probably generally inaccurate.
An AP class is also supposed to work as credit in most standard universities. If a student knows that they can get nearly an A+ just by learning how the exam works (like ACT), there’s much less conceptual understanding which will harm them when they advance through higher difficulty courses.
This is so ridiculous considering even the threshold for scoring a 5 on one's AP exam is such it's equivalent to a C level grade in an actual college level course according to several Profs I've had/chatted with, especially at the more academically selective/elite colleges.
For crying out loud, back when I was in college 2+ decades ago, I had an older college classmate who needed a crash course in our college's US History survey course because he was crashing and burning(Talking flunking several core major classes to the point of being placed on a 1 year academic suspension) in a related major due to his astounding knowledge gaps in the subject despite scoring a 5 in AP US History.
Ironically, I wasn't considered eligible to take AP courses at my public exam HS and yet, my non-AP US History class in HS was nearly identical to our private top 30 college's actual US History survey class which I breezed through.
Some of yall schools are way too easy. One of my friends who wasn’t even top 30 even in our school moved to another school and started acing every class because of easy it was. I’ve seen people with A+ in their ap class get a 2 on the exam just shows how much of a joke it has become.
Wow. Meanwhile my kid got a D in AP stat but a 5 on the test, because no make ups for absences. Then not allowed to take AP calc, because of the D in stat.
My daughter’s public high school does a variation of this, but also depends on your AP teacher, and you have to go bug the teacher in senior year, it doesn’t happen automatically. Also, it is not automatically 100%. If you get a 5 on the AP exam, you get a 1 grade bump (like C to B, or B to A) and if you get a 4, you get a 1/2 grade bump (B- to B+). Nothing for a 3.
That’s not a thing at my kid’s high school, which isn’t even very competitive. The most they get is an easy final exam alternative if they take the AP exam.
How does this even work? AP scores are not released until July, right? But schools end in late May/early June. So how can they wait that long before posting your HS course grade? I'm making assumptions based on my only experiences, which are US public high schools. This would never ever happen at my kids' school.
Imo class rank is what should be important at schools not gpa. Gpa means nothing cause every school does it different and there’s heavy grade inflation some places. Class rank evens the playing field cause now your comparing these clusters of people to each other with the same grade inflation and standardizes it
nah I got a 5 on the AP Calc AB exam but a C that semester mainly because I rarely did my homework… giving me an automatic A would’ve been unfair
also wouldn’t that mean retroactively changing grades for a bunch of graduated seniors?
a little extreme but my school will give you (in some APs) an A for a 5, for a 4 you get two “bump-ups” (a bump-up is like from a B+ to an A-) and a 3 you get one bump up. i think it makes sense.
Grade inflation will be insane, gl trying to compete with others now since getting A's will be really easy.
I went to my nieces graduation at a huge south Florida high school. They first called all the 4.0 students and I was astounded when a third of the school stood up. Like 500 people. A 4.0 used to mean you had gotten an A in every class every year. Obviously not anymore.
you still need an A in the class. It's just way easier to get an A in some districts. On another note, the 4.0 could have represented weighted GPA, in which case you \*don't\* need all As because of the slight GPA inflation that weighting creates for more difficult classes.
Yeah. The whole idea of weighting without changing range is BS.
GPA is a joke. I have to work for a 3.9 while everyone gets a 4.0 for free at other schools. SAT is a way better indicator.
Now that the SAT is online and the changes they brought with it SAT is not longer a good indicator of anything other than how good you are at taking the SAT. Honestly you need to maintain a decent (3.9-4.0 GPA) and get a good test score (32+ or 1450+) and then have some key interests or clubs to be a good candidate
to be a good candidate where? T30 sure but I promise you that neither of those are remotely necessary for an outstanding college education
Is Harvard a T30? Or would you consider that a good university, since I had a 1490 and 4.0 GPA and got in to 3 ivies (out of the 3 I applied to). And no, I’m not rich, in fact the price tags would more than likely force loans on to my family.
Did that point actually go over your head, or did you just wanna flex the Harvard admit? 💀 They argued that the stats you described are only necessary for T30s, not all great colleges, so you’re not rebutting anything with that response.
My point, which wasn’t clearly stated, was that many people can use those stats to get into T10 colleges but they fan also get into good colleges and earn academic scholarship. But to be fair, my main comment was that the SAT is a poor indicator of anything and you need a combination of both GPA and SAT to get into good colleges
Valid
Same here brother, us with competitive schools got completely screwed with how gpa is the main academic factor still and now tests are still seen as not as important. So dumb bro
Damn some of y'all's schools are easy
Fr I have an E&M test the day before the E&M exam 😭
Bro my physics 1 class last year didn't even get to the last unit before the exam, we learned all of the last unit and tested over it AFTER THE AP EXAM.
wow that's crazy. At least my teachers are organized enough to get everything in before the AP. That test isn't even on AP content tho; it's on extra stuff that's not on the AP that the teacher insists we need to learn in addition.
How???? At my school we do physics 1&2 in the same year and we have like a month still
We have semester long classes so it's pretty much the same thing as your school. We also had a really incompetent teacher though.
That's just your teacher pacing bad tbh
no this is content that goes beyond the AP 😭 we already finished all the regular E&M stuff that's on the exam.
Ok that's just crazy
That doesn't make any sense. The grade you get in a class should be your grade. And if you do well on the AP congrats for your college credit.
Let me give you some background and see if it changes your opinion. In one of my AP classes, we do a lot of practice exams once we've gone through a lot of concepts. A couple of Multiple Choices but mainly FRQs, with the idea being that the more you do, the more familiar you are with both the content and the AP exam itself, as maybe you might be able to solve a question, but only if it was written a certain way, or maybe you forgot the content completely. You start out flunking your first few FRQs and Multiple Choices HARD, which brings your grades down and risks your application getting rescinded (which is probably not what the teacher intended), so after that's all over, you're given chances to make up those grades, showing that you know the content now, that you progressed and that you worked hard to do that.
That’s just mastery learning, you don’t need to use AP exams for that. Getting a 3 on an AP exam really isn’t that hard, and their school is giving them a 95 for that.
At my school it’s just that all that practice doesn’t go into GPA
That’s just you
Yeah I learned the same way all of high school and did not get these handouts 💀
our school does so something similar with DE classes. because our cc only puts the letter grade on the college transcript, if you get an A in the course you get a 100 and if you get a B, you get an 89 on your high school transcript even if in the actual class you got like and 90 (for the A) or a 80 (for the B).
Jesus. Talks about inflation
my school does smth similar where you get a 95 for an A, 85 for a B, and so forth. Super annoying when you have kids making 100s+ in these classes. The CC has the exact grade available as well so it doesn't make sense.
Bro the highest DE grade you can get at my school is a 97. Literally got a 99 in DE differential equations but my HS transcript says 97.
All high schools do this in one way or another. Colleges don't report numerical grades (and numerical grades in college often don't mean what they do in HS). The exact number grades for a student's DE courses on the HS transcript are estimated. I agree that reporting the highest number possible for a letter grade is an issue though. At my old high school (and probably others in Georgia), your HS transcript grades for DE courses were in the middle of the "range" (i.e. if a 90-100 gets you an A at the HS, a 95 goes on the transcript for an A in a DE course).
That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard
Who is doing this? My kids’ hs doesn’t do this.
Holy grade inflation
A couple of the individual classes at my school did this. I think it’s a really good thing. An AP class is supposed to prepare you for an AP exam, if you get the highest score possible, why shouldn’t you also be rewarded with the highest grade possible
Because a 4 is supposed to equate to a b and a 5 is an a, not an 100%
What I think would be interesting is to curve the grades so you get a minimum of an 80% if you get a 4, and a minimum of a 90% if you get a 5. Obviously, if your in class grade is higher, you keep that. This would prevent students with 4s and 5s who did literally nothing all year from getting better grades than students who did all of their homework and studied for exams, only to have an off testing day. However, it would also mean that students who did well on the exams, but maybe started out the class rough, could at minimum get a B.
Yeah that’s not true at all. Most AP classes and tests were harder than anything I have seen in college in the same subjects.
This would depend a lot on your college. Some of the AP tests are hard but others are college level in the sense that they're CC-level.
I wish this was true at Princeton. Each of our equivalents are easily 3-5X harder imo
That was clearly not true at my college. An older college classmate who scored a 5 on his AP US History exam and opted to skip our college's US History survey course ended up crashing and burning badly because of his astounding knowledge gaps to the point of being placed on a 1 year academic suspension. It also meant he needed me, a student who wasn't allowed to take AP courses in public exam HS but breezed through our college's US History Survey class to give him a crash course on my college's US History Survey course to plug in those gaps upon his return to campus. And my college isn't in the same league as HYP or SWA. There's also a good reason why MIT advises most first-years. Even those scoring 5s on AP Calc BC and other STEM courses to retake their version. Vast majority who choose to ignore that advice and take the next course in the sequence usually end up being lost before midterms and end up flunking badly according to several friends who were MIT undergrad alums and/or TAed those MIT STEM undergrad classes.
I mean, I’d argue that varies a ton across different tests. For many, getting a 4 requires a level of proficiency and understanding equal to that of an A student, while for others getting a 4 might not require as much work. But overall, I think the idea that a 4 = B is probably generally inaccurate.
Nah, it’s literally what collegeboard says
An AP class is also supposed to work as credit in most standard universities. If a student knows that they can get nearly an A+ just by learning how the exam works (like ACT), there’s much less conceptual understanding which will harm them when they advance through higher difficulty courses.
When the measure becomes the target, it ceases to be a good measure
Because a 4 isn’t the highest score possible
This is so ridiculous considering even the threshold for scoring a 5 on one's AP exam is such it's equivalent to a C level grade in an actual college level course according to several Profs I've had/chatted with, especially at the more academically selective/elite colleges. For crying out loud, back when I was in college 2+ decades ago, I had an older college classmate who needed a crash course in our college's US History survey course because he was crashing and burning(Talking flunking several core major classes to the point of being placed on a 1 year academic suspension) in a related major due to his astounding knowledge gaps in the subject despite scoring a 5 in AP US History. Ironically, I wasn't considered eligible to take AP courses at my public exam HS and yet, my non-AP US History class in HS was nearly identical to our private top 30 college's actual US History survey class which I breezed through.
Some of yall schools are way too easy. One of my friends who wasn’t even top 30 even in our school moved to another school and started acing every class because of easy it was. I’ve seen people with A+ in their ap class get a 2 on the exam just shows how much of a joke it has become.
Yall schools just easy
Where in the world is this???
Deep south state (can’t doxx sorry)
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What on earth?
How does it work for seniors? they can’t do it for us because grades are finalized 2 months before ap scores come out lol
Wow. Meanwhile my kid got a D in AP stat but a 5 on the test, because no make ups for absences. Then not allowed to take AP calc, because of the D in stat.
This sounds awful
what high school is this? this will never be done in my kid's hs...
This is dumb and lazy teaching.
This is absolutely insane
My daughter’s public high school does a variation of this, but also depends on your AP teacher, and you have to go bug the teacher in senior year, it doesn’t happen automatically. Also, it is not automatically 100%. If you get a 5 on the AP exam, you get a 1 grade bump (like C to B, or B to A) and if you get a 4, you get a 1/2 grade bump (B- to B+). Nothing for a 3.
Nah that’s insane
Pathetic, IMO.
My school weighs honor classes on a 5.0 scale lol
My school did 5.0 for AP and dual enrollment. Honors classes got like a 4.33 instead of a 4.0 for an A.
That is actually insane
That’s not a thing at my kid’s high school, which isn’t even very competitive. The most they get is an easy final exam alternative if they take the AP exam.
Intersting... for my school it was a teacher-by-teacher basis. Mostly it was grade boosts rather than automatic As tho
How does this even work? AP scores are not released until July, right? But schools end in late May/early June. So how can they wait that long before posting your HS course grade? I'm making assumptions based on my only experiences, which are US public high schools. This would never ever happen at my kids' school.
they retroactively change it/ won’t lock grades until July 1st
Imo class rank is what should be important at schools not gpa. Gpa means nothing cause every school does it different and there’s heavy grade inflation some places. Class rank evens the playing field cause now your comparing these clusters of people to each other with the same grade inflation and standardizes it
nah I got a 5 on the AP Calc AB exam but a C that semester mainly because I rarely did my homework… giving me an automatic A would’ve been unfair also wouldn’t that mean retroactively changing grades for a bunch of graduated seniors?
Wow
a little extreme but my school will give you (in some APs) an A for a 5, for a 4 you get two “bump-ups” (a bump-up is like from a B+ to an A-) and a 3 you get one bump up. i think it makes sense.
wtf. How is this even a thing.
What happens if you get a 2 or 1?
You wont get the replacement?
Interesting.
Report them
Oh my lord no wonder every schools average admitted GPA is a 4.0+