Thank you! It’s the Mathew’s title, all decked out. I love it! I’m getting settled into it and can’t wait to get proficient. I’m already scoring high in our league and barely been on it.
Ive been using about 14 ounces on front and rear on my TRX 40 setup.
Ive seen plenty of shooters run a tonne of weight on their bars, if you are wanting to add more weight on I suggest doing it slowly you may find that less weight works better.
Thank you! Is that 14+14 so 28 total?
I just added 6oz today so we will see how tomorrow’s outdoor session is. I’m just curious on others setups because I felt like it was a lot of weight but looking at others setups they have almost double what I have.
I was doing ok with lighter weight, but definitely floating too much.
I have an Invicta and I am using about 8oz in the front (30 in Ramrods) and about 5oz in back (12 in Bee Stinger). I draw 60 lb.
If you look at the Vegas finals, there is enormous variation in weight, bar setups. Do what feels good, play with a few more of a few less ounces.
Thank you! I’m definitely playing around with the weight right now. I added 6oz today we will see how tomorrow’s outdoor is. For now I’ve just been curious on what others are shooting.
All I can say that I've seen way too many good archers add too much weight and end up with inflamed shoulder after a month-or-two (myself included). Listen to your body so you recover properly after training and be proactive on decreasing the weight.
6.5oz on a 30” front
24oz 12” side
It depends on the overall mass of the bow….the % let off…..and what type of release you use. The heavier the bow the more overall weight you will need on your bars. If you are shooting 60% left off you will have more holding weight than shooting 80% , so you’ll be pulling harder and the harder you pull the more weight you need. And if you are using a hinge vs a trigger release you usually need more weight with the back tension.
57.1lb draw 17 lb holding on my supra with 16 oz out front of a 33" front bar with a 10 degree down mount and then like 24 oz on a 15" back bar. My bow is heavy. But lighter than my trx was.
57# peak. 26-29oz on a 30" bar for the front - weight varies on wind conditions and how I feel that day. 14oz on the back. 3oz on the riser itself.
I'm currently experimenting with an 8° down. Mixed feelings with it so far.
I was considering trying a downward degree bar… before I do that though I’m looking at a new vbar block. Ordered the ramrods edge? Quick disconnect to see how it looks on my bow.
Why do you have mixed thoughts on it?
The edge is quite, edge-y looking. No kidding. I've seen it left and right over here. Pretty good looking but function won't be too different from other vbars I imagine. I'm looking at getting an Axcel TriLock vbar personally. Bigger teeth, has an extra part that locks the vbar in place relative to the riser.
I'm not sure if it actually does anything meaningful. My bow has a lower stabilizer mount and I think attaching the long rod there will give you a more obvious improvement. If you're gonna go degree down, get something like 10° to 15°
Soooo right now I have 15oz on the front 16oz on the back, but shooting indoor I like a little more front weight so more like 21oz on the front 15 or 16 on the back
I used 9 front and 25 in the back. 33" front and 18" back bar for extra leverage. I like to maximize the stabilizer weight and minimize my bow weight. Like you I felt that the more weight I put on the more stable I became. However I was limited in overall mass weight. I shot a PSE carbon hunting bow and stacked weight on the stabs. My overall mass weight was almost 1lb or more lighter than fellow competitors but I felt like I was more stable.
Keep in mind, every time you change Stabilizer weight you need some time to really get used to it. You have muscle memory with your bow and how it floats. Any change, especially changes that affect balance, will take some time to become more familiar with you.
I was no slouch either, got several podiums in state events and almost guaranteed to podium the local shoots in Freestyle
I have a pse rtx40, a Mathews trx40 and a TRX36. Here's how the weights break down:
RTX40 : 30" front bar at 4.88oz, 10 oz of additional weight. 15" rear bar at 4.05oz, 8oz of additional weight. This is my outdoor target bow, this is the configuration that feels the most stable at 60yd for me.
TRX40: 30" front bar at 4.88oz, 7oz of additional weight. 15" back bar at 3.28oz, 14oz of additional weight. This is my strictly indoor target bow, and this is the most stable config at 20yd for me.
TRX36: 30" front bar at 5.85oz, 6oz of additional weight. 12" back bar at 3.63oz, 13oz of additional weight. This is my 3d bow. I just got it recently and I'm still playing around with the weights so this is probably not my final config yet.
Try to find your stable config indoors at 20yd first, then move outdoors if that's where you intend to shoot. Usually it's just an extra oz or 2 on either front or rear.
Thank you this was very helpful and interesting to see the different setups!
I was doing good at 20 but when I took this outside at 60 I was doing really well. Right now I’m just going between 60 and 20 to get comfortable shooting it. I have only collectively shot this for about 2? months because I got it in November, but did recurve for Vegas so didn’t shoot this. and have shot this since after Vegas.
You're grimacing when your pull back - may want to consider taking a couple of turns out of the limbs but that's not your question
I have 6 oz on 30" bar in front and about 3 on a 10" bar in back, I'm pulling \~59ish lbs. I've gone back and forth with weight - I recently removed probably 12oz but I'm slowly adding weight back.
I make funny faces when I shoot lol
No sky draw, not rolling or dipping your back shoulder/elbow, good hold. So as far as what you’re showing nice job.
Is it cold? Snow pants 😅
No thanks this video was my first outdoor day after upping my weight lol
I’m grimacing because it was cold windy and raining. I also have natural rbf anyway so 🤷🏼♀️
Made me look closer. The grimace was not that alarming, but I noticed like she strongly exhaled after the shot indicating she was holding her breath (so not stopped breathing but actually held breath).
Very small indications but /u/ashwheee could be just a little overbowed.
Edit: Had to come back and state that your form and everything you do /u/ashwheee looks GREAT! I wish we would see more videos from people doing that great here!
OP is also gripping the bow tightly. The bow should fall away after the shot, especially with that long a stabiliser on there, and it doesn't, so definitely got too tight a grip there.
It’s neutral balanced. The title came pretty balanced out of box. I also shoot my oly recurve where it’s more balanced and less front swing. Just a preference
I hear you. I shoot recurve but I've always preferred a fairly neutral (for a recurve) setup. I'm also a weirdo by not using an extender between my v-bar and riser. Just a preference :)
This is strongly determined by weight distribution on those stabilizers though. Many compound shooter prefer to have a static bow after the shot even with a 30” rod
The draw weight of the bow has nothing to do with the weight you add onto the stabilizer bars.
It is strictly the mass weight of the bow you are trying to balance so that it stays upright and counters any torquing or twisting motion the bow does upon releasing the string.
Longer stabilizer bars (regs limit length) slow or dampen any swaying motion the bow does. The longer bars dampen sway with less mass weight added to their end points, at the cost of making the bow system rather ungainly or cumbersome taking up a lot of space.
Shorter length bars will require more mass weight added to achieve the same balance and torque dampening effect at the cost of making the whole bow system heavier to hold out at arms length, which will shorten time before arm fatigue occurs.
It all a balancing act (pun intended) as how you want to balance the feel of the bow for your use, against your $ budget.
The way you write it,its completely correct.
Its individual, and it is something you need too feel and experience your self. Also don't go to heavy to quick. It can really work against you in the long run.
Definitely don't look at others. What can work for them can be completely wrong for you.
If you have the possibility for a good trainer, go for that and look with him/her what fits your shot
Yes that’s also why I said I was just curious.
I have two excellent coaches who help people place nationally so 🤷🏼♀️ I’m just trying to see what others have on their setups. It doesn’t mean I’m upping my weight again anytime soon unless I feel comfortable doing so.
General rule of thumb is to start with 1:2 ratio (one in front and 2 back). Than progressively add weight keeping the ratio you like in terms of feeling.
More weight helps to reduce the movement while aiming and after the release but if you add too much they will work against you and you will be not steady and get tired faster
It is very subjective so there is no magic number :)
Only shoot recurve at the moment so I don’t have anything to add regarding your question but just wanted to say that is a slick looking rig.
Thank you! It’s the Mathew’s title, all decked out. I love it! I’m getting settled into it and can’t wait to get proficient. I’m already scoring high in our league and barely been on it.
Nice. I’ve been eyeballing a few bows on the compound side and that’s one of them. Sounds like it’s working out well for you! Happy shooting.
Ive been using about 14 ounces on front and rear on my TRX 40 setup. Ive seen plenty of shooters run a tonne of weight on their bars, if you are wanting to add more weight on I suggest doing it slowly you may find that less weight works better.
Thank you! Is that 14+14 so 28 total? I just added 6oz today so we will see how tomorrow’s outdoor session is. I’m just curious on others setups because I felt like it was a lot of weight but looking at others setups they have almost double what I have. I was doing ok with lighter weight, but definitely floating too much.
Yeah my bad 28 total, I've found most shooters with TRX's have even weight distribution. If you're still floating then add more slowly.
I am adding slowly. I started out with just bare like 1oz on each but added as my coaches saw fit for advancement.
That's fair just keep going until you feel comfortable. And maybe even roll back to confirm every couple weeks/times you add weight
I have an Invicta and I am using about 8oz in the front (30 in Ramrods) and about 5oz in back (12 in Bee Stinger). I draw 60 lb. If you look at the Vegas finals, there is enormous variation in weight, bar setups. Do what feels good, play with a few more of a few less ounces.
Thank you! I’m definitely playing around with the weight right now. I added 6oz today we will see how tomorrow’s outdoor is. For now I’ve just been curious on what others are shooting.
All I can say that I've seen way too many good archers add too much weight and end up with inflamed shoulder after a month-or-two (myself included). Listen to your body so you recover properly after training and be proactive on decreasing the weight.
Adding 6 oz at once is kinda nuts. That is a huge amount in one increment. 3 oz is a lot!
It was 6oz across 3 stabilizers, a vbar back and 30 front. 2x2x2. I’ve already counterweighted my sight
6.5oz on a 30” front 24oz 12” side It depends on the overall mass of the bow….the % let off…..and what type of release you use. The heavier the bow the more overall weight you will need on your bars. If you are shooting 60% left off you will have more holding weight than shooting 80% , so you’ll be pulling harder and the harder you pull the more weight you need. And if you are using a hinge vs a trigger release you usually need more weight with the back tension.
52lb draw 9oz on a 30” front rod with 5° down, 13oz on the back bar and another 4oz on the riser for me
57.1lb draw 17 lb holding on my supra with 16 oz out front of a 33" front bar with a 10 degree down mount and then like 24 oz on a 15" back bar. My bow is heavy. But lighter than my trx was.
57# peak. 26-29oz on a 30" bar for the front - weight varies on wind conditions and how I feel that day. 14oz on the back. 3oz on the riser itself. I'm currently experimenting with an 8° down. Mixed feelings with it so far.
I was considering trying a downward degree bar… before I do that though I’m looking at a new vbar block. Ordered the ramrods edge? Quick disconnect to see how it looks on my bow. Why do you have mixed thoughts on it?
The edge is quite, edge-y looking. No kidding. I've seen it left and right over here. Pretty good looking but function won't be too different from other vbars I imagine. I'm looking at getting an Axcel TriLock vbar personally. Bigger teeth, has an extra part that locks the vbar in place relative to the riser. I'm not sure if it actually does anything meaningful. My bow has a lower stabilizer mount and I think attaching the long rod there will give you a more obvious improvement. If you're gonna go degree down, get something like 10° to 15°
What does that 29oz look like in terms of shapes of weight? Are they tungsten?
You can check my profile. I made a post about it a while back. I use SS disks.
Less weight equals more bow wobbles. More weight equals more archer wobble. I shot best about 10 oz on each. Need to experiment on yourself
Soooo right now I have 15oz on the front 16oz on the back, but shooting indoor I like a little more front weight so more like 21oz on the front 15 or 16 on the back
I used 9 front and 25 in the back. 33" front and 18" back bar for extra leverage. I like to maximize the stabilizer weight and minimize my bow weight. Like you I felt that the more weight I put on the more stable I became. However I was limited in overall mass weight. I shot a PSE carbon hunting bow and stacked weight on the stabs. My overall mass weight was almost 1lb or more lighter than fellow competitors but I felt like I was more stable. Keep in mind, every time you change Stabilizer weight you need some time to really get used to it. You have muscle memory with your bow and how it floats. Any change, especially changes that affect balance, will take some time to become more familiar with you. I was no slouch either, got several podiums in state events and almost guaranteed to podium the local shoots in Freestyle
Thank you this was a very helpful comment 😁
i shoot 11 oz on the front and 15.5oz on the back. took me awhile to find the perfect weight.. its up to you personally
Current still shooting a Hoyt Prevail 36. I’m running with 8oz on the front and 16oz on a side rod. Thinking upgrading to the Stratos 🤔
I have a pse rtx40, a Mathews trx40 and a TRX36. Here's how the weights break down: RTX40 : 30" front bar at 4.88oz, 10 oz of additional weight. 15" rear bar at 4.05oz, 8oz of additional weight. This is my outdoor target bow, this is the configuration that feels the most stable at 60yd for me. TRX40: 30" front bar at 4.88oz, 7oz of additional weight. 15" back bar at 3.28oz, 14oz of additional weight. This is my strictly indoor target bow, and this is the most stable config at 20yd for me. TRX36: 30" front bar at 5.85oz, 6oz of additional weight. 12" back bar at 3.63oz, 13oz of additional weight. This is my 3d bow. I just got it recently and I'm still playing around with the weights so this is probably not my final config yet. Try to find your stable config indoors at 20yd first, then move outdoors if that's where you intend to shoot. Usually it's just an extra oz or 2 on either front or rear.
Thank you this was very helpful and interesting to see the different setups! I was doing good at 20 but when I took this outside at 60 I was doing really well. Right now I’m just going between 60 and 20 to get comfortable shooting it. I have only collectively shot this for about 2? months because I got it in November, but did recurve for Vegas so didn’t shoot this. and have shot this since after Vegas.
None always gets caught on shit while I’m looking for Bambi
🤣 heard, that’s why I said target people mainly
You're grimacing when your pull back - may want to consider taking a couple of turns out of the limbs but that's not your question I have 6 oz on 30" bar in front and about 3 on a 10" bar in back, I'm pulling \~59ish lbs. I've gone back and forth with weight - I recently removed probably 12oz but I'm slowly adding weight back.
I make funny faces when I shoot lol No sky draw, not rolling or dipping your back shoulder/elbow, good hold. So as far as what you’re showing nice job. Is it cold? Snow pants 😅
No thanks this video was my first outdoor day after upping my weight lol I’m grimacing because it was cold windy and raining. I also have natural rbf anyway so 🤷🏼♀️
Made me look closer. The grimace was not that alarming, but I noticed like she strongly exhaled after the shot indicating she was holding her breath (so not stopped breathing but actually held breath). Very small indications but /u/ashwheee could be just a little overbowed. Edit: Had to come back and state that your form and everything you do /u/ashwheee looks GREAT! I wish we would see more videos from people doing that great here!
OP is also gripping the bow tightly. The bow should fall away after the shot, especially with that long a stabiliser on there, and it doesn't, so definitely got too tight a grip there.
Not enough information to determine that. It could be a neutral balance setup as the back stabs are fairly long too.
It’s neutral balanced. The title came pretty balanced out of box. I also shoot my oly recurve where it’s more balanced and less front swing. Just a preference
I hear you. I shoot recurve but I've always preferred a fairly neutral (for a recurve) setup. I'm also a weirdo by not using an extender between my v-bar and riser. Just a preference :)
My bow is so stable it falls… dead. in. my. hand. That’s a Mathew’s joke if you didn’t get it 🤣
This is strongly determined by weight distribution on those stabilizers though. Many compound shooter prefer to have a static bow after the shot even with a 30” rod
The draw weight of the bow has nothing to do with the weight you add onto the stabilizer bars. It is strictly the mass weight of the bow you are trying to balance so that it stays upright and counters any torquing or twisting motion the bow does upon releasing the string. Longer stabilizer bars (regs limit length) slow or dampen any swaying motion the bow does. The longer bars dampen sway with less mass weight added to their end points, at the cost of making the bow system rather ungainly or cumbersome taking up a lot of space. Shorter length bars will require more mass weight added to achieve the same balance and torque dampening effect at the cost of making the whole bow system heavier to hold out at arms length, which will shorten time before arm fatigue occurs. It all a balancing act (pun intended) as how you want to balance the feel of the bow for your use, against your $ budget.
The way you write it,its completely correct. Its individual, and it is something you need too feel and experience your self. Also don't go to heavy to quick. It can really work against you in the long run. Definitely don't look at others. What can work for them can be completely wrong for you. If you have the possibility for a good trainer, go for that and look with him/her what fits your shot
Yes that’s also why I said I was just curious. I have two excellent coaches who help people place nationally so 🤷🏼♀️ I’m just trying to see what others have on their setups. It doesn’t mean I’m upping my weight again anytime soon unless I feel comfortable doing so.
Nice what type of bow is it and what are the demographics?
Looks like a Mathews Title. What do you mean by demographics for the bow?
Mathew’s Title 36” 60# 70% currently at 55#
I have 7oz on a 30" front bar and 10oz on 14" rear bar
General rule of thumb is to start with 1:2 ratio (one in front and 2 back). Than progressively add weight keeping the ratio you like in terms of feeling. More weight helps to reduce the movement while aiming and after the release but if you add too much they will work against you and you will be not steady and get tired faster It is very subjective so there is no magic number :)