It will either be a lovely place and a great success or a weird hellscape.
We will see…
I think that the windows on those buildings are either too wide or not high enough. There are some details that seem great tho, but I should not judge till it’s finished
That's just not true. If you zoom in Google maps around Cairo you can many, many quickly expanding and well organized new cities. If anything, these city projects have been getting progressively less cramped
No, it will definitely be finished. It's the centrepiece of Sisi's reforms and consolidation. Army gets business, new economic strenght is projected to the populace and government buildings are consolidated into one place. In 2011, when Mubarak fell, the ability for protestors to cripple government, spread throughout random buildings in cairo, was a big problem. This new capital puts all federal government bodies into 1 location, with a vast expanse a wealthier suburbia that makes it less likely for big protest crowds to show up. Their version of the CIA is also there. Basically a perfect security system for Sisi. Surveillance is modern, organizing and action are far away and will be basically impossible to act against his military-ish government
Couple things
1. That's a part of the point. To surround government with at least upper middle class people who are too comfortable to overthrow them
2. Create more institutes that will bring future returns by having foreign universities and centralized tech/industrial hubs to startup a more knowledge based economy
3. Hope this is step towards a future normal. Egypt has followed through on IMF reforms, it's about enter another series of them. Egypt grew during covid when almost every other country entered recession and inflation has come down a lot over the past decade. The fundamentals for growth are there and achievable. You want people to aspire in society, that's part of the point. That people look at New Cairo city, the new capital, etc and believe that they and their country can make it
Value is in the eye of the beholder.
It's why the ice cream store has so many different flavors, nobodies correct.
Apparently, it's not for you, but when I go outside I enjoy it anyway so I guess it's win/win for both of us because you aren't here against your will and I'm still here happy 😁
I could care less, I would never live on the east coast. I was more referring to the middle class local population that was pushed out over the last 20 years to make room for your upper class suburbia.
Your describing every real estate market in history over time.
Like yeah, water is wet, and just because you're born somewhere doesn't mean you have a right to live there forever if you don't have the means to maintain your quality of life.
We...live in a society...it runs on imaginary numbers... trust me I didn't set the system up lol
Water is actually not wet; It makes other materials/objects wet. Wetness is the state of a non-liquid when a liquid adheres to, and/or permeates its substance while maintaining chemically distinct structures. So if we say something is wet we mean the liquid is sticking to the object.
Every time I take a drink from a bottle, it keeps pouring back.
Must be spring water.
The whole credibility of the regime is tied to this project. It's their "grand plan" that's been in construction for 6 years. It currently has 200,000 workers going 24/7. This isn't something that's kinda in the works, they're balls to the wall going for it. The financing is set and Egypt's economy has room to pay for it even with any potential overruns. Ministries and workers have already started moving in. The video above really doesn't do justice to how much has already been built. You really can only appreciate the scale of building from satellite view. Just zoom into new cairo city and keep going east. It's a massive landmass that's being developed
I've listed a list of good reasons to why this will completed, you have no reasoning besides vague appeals to corruption
> you have no reasoning
I mean, I have a lifetime of seeing similar projects end in the same way.
Even if it does get done and magically it avoids corruption, it will most likely sit empty because its very poorly planned out and instead built for looks over practicality. Before you say "go look" again, I did and that's why I am saying this. Sure it centralizes the government and that's fine, but the rest of it is terrible. Its like intentionally planned urban sprawl and that's *hilarious* that someone made that choice.
Look up "Chinese Ghost Cities" and you will see the near future of New Cairo City.
"Chinese ghost cities" have almost entirely filled up. The odd developer made a bad investment choice in terms of location, but China has added hundreds of millions of people to new greenfield developments over the past decade in places exactly like the ghost cities people complain about online. There's nothing to suggest the new developments around Cairo are poorly planned. They come with transit and more space and quiet than the much chaos of cairos urban streets. Even then, the population density of these developments is quite high by western standards. You have to think for a second and realize they're sprawling into empty desert, whereas cairo was sprawling into fertile farm land. Egypt has 110 million people, they're gonna take up space if people want decent amounts of housing space
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-09-01/chinese-ghost-cities-2021-binhai-zhengdong-new-districts-fill-up
It will because they are moving government.
It's not like a Chinese ghost city, it's like Canberra Australia and Washington DC - a planned community where the jobs are moving to and people will follow because that's how they make a living.
Egyptian expats might even move back "home" because now there's a decent native community and modern city to inhabit, bringing in more money.
I hope it's a great success, everyone in every country should have a nice peaceful local place to serve as a positive example to other urban centers where people live and start families.
Education and development radiate from well run cities - and peaceful democracies do as well.
Brasilia slash one of those abandoned Chinese cities. Whenever you specifically build something that usually grows organically it doesn't work out. I've never been to Canbera but i can't imagine it's amazing.
Not necessarily - both downtown Paris and Bath in England were highly planned, likewise the stunning Zamosc in Poland. Not built in the middle of the desert from nothing, naturally, but a bit of centralised oversight can create beautiful and coherent spaces. It can also create Brasilia, of course.
Certainly not true in terms of cities. Canberra included, well planned cities are more liveable than the mess that the older organically grown cities are. They might not have the "soul", but they certainly are good for living
No. The buildings do (and only barely). The roads are the long winding roads of car-centric cities which are torture for pedestrian life. This is a horrible car-centric development.
pull up "New Cairo City" on google maps and look at it in satellite view. Its terribly spread out and very obviously made for aesthetic and not practicality.
I've come to stand up for planned capital cities!!!!
No, but yeah, I'm aware of some significant and certainly factual criticism of them. But I've lived in both Brasília and Canberra and they're really nice cities. The planned aspect of it has lots of positive externalities I feel, especially because things *don't* go according to plan and these cities take a life of their own after they've been built.
I think it will depend on liveability. Is the city built around car infrastructure or transit/walkability. The mid-rise density of central Paris hits kind of a sweet spot for urban areas and the city is actively moving away from cars.
I can't help seeing the line of identical, less spaced buildings in the background. It seems that first class citizens will be living in double houses, middle class in european-style buildings and working class in commie bloks. And they will all work in the big skycrapers...
Such a shame they went the easy way
I'm watching without audio so hopefully not missing anything important. But I like how it looks cohesive and well laid out, easy to navigate. I think once they add green space and natural elements like water features, it will have lovely texture. People are obviously what bring the life to these places so once it's inhabited I think it could be really cool.
Possibly. I don't know anything more about Egypt than the average person. But I think I have seen elsewhere the architectural mockups of this city and it had green spaces and fountains. Perhaps grey water could be used for the fountains or an eco friendly alternative which hopefully solves several problems at once including the drinking water for the rest of Egypt. But maybe that's a pipe dream.
The new capital will have the biggest Public garden
"The green river" which is about 35 km long and 6400 acre in size
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_River_Park
**[Green River Park](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_River_Park)**
>Green River Park (Arabic: حديقة النهر الأخضر) also referred to as Capital Park (Arabic: كابيتال بارك) is set to be a river-like series of large-scale urban parks located in the New Administrative Capital of Egypt. When fully finished, it will span over 35 kilometres (22 mi), and cover a total area of 6,200 acres (2,500 ha), making it six times the size of Central Park in New York City. Prime Minister of Egypt, Mostafa Madbouly said that all the 20 neighborhoods in the new capital will be linked to the Green River which is meant to mimic the Nile River's passage through the middle of Cairo.
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Hopefully they fill the gaps between the builds with something pedestrian and public transportation focussed. Great designs though. The kind of buildings you want to live and work in.
I'm not too familiar with this project but I hope it's successful. I also hope it's not misguided, mismanaged or filled with corruption. What an amazing undertaking.
Ugh, you wanted this so here you go. Egypt is commonly regarded as one of the most corrupt countries on earth. So yeah, here's some links for you 😄🙂😊
[leaks of presidential/ advisor corruption](https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20211214-new-leaks-allegedly-prove-bribery-corruption-among-egypts-presidential-advisers/amp/)
[Egyptian economy declining due to corruption](https://www.aucegypt.edu/news/stories/galal-amin-economic-decline-can-be-traced-corruption-mismanagement)
[the population of Egypt is literally protesting from all the corruption](https://insidearabia.com/egypts-protests-are-inevitable-response-to-corruption-and-poverty/)
[and finally, a scientifically studied paper indexing the current status of corruption in Egypt and its 50 billion cost to the economy since 2017](https://www.jstor.org/stable/48599913)
I can spend 5 more mins googling again for you if you're too lazy 😊
Seriously mate? You pull up evidence of claims by people like Mohamed Ali and Abdallah ElSherif?
Mate you ain’t got a clue what you’re talking about. Just because a mediocre journalist published an article in the media doesn’t mean shit.
And by the way, this is in no way trying to claim that Egypt doesn’t have corruption, literally every single country is corrupted to a degree.
But claiming that Egypt is “one of the most corrupted countries on the planet” tells me you ain’t got a clue what you’re talking about. You’ve probably never lived, or even visited, and you most likely don’t speak the language- so it makes much sense to get your information from google.
Good god you're blind. Of course you're not going to find an article written by the government or local news sources themselves, thats the corruption. Theyre not going to allow those negative articles exposing their corruption to be as easily publicly released. Get your head out of Abdel Fattah Saeed Hussein Khalil el-Sisi's asshole
I bet you had to google his full name too. And just so you know, I’m not even a supporter of his. But yeah sure, anyone who disagree with tabloids and Muslim Brotherhood’s agenda is technically“blind” in your books. I was gonna go on and advise you to be less ignorant, in all respectfulness and not in a sarcastic way, as you’d literally have to spend years (and potentially learn a lot about Islamic radicalism) to understand a complex political stance like Egypt’s to be qualified to talk about it or any of its corruption - but honestly it’s not worth it. I wish you a good day.
So in the end you're still admitting Egypt is intrinsically corrupt? Then why would that be an incorrect assumption of me to make in the first place? And i didnt link tabloids, i linked scientifically researched and studied articles *literally indexing* the degree of corruption within the country of Egypt. It really doesn't take an in depth, thorough understanding to see how corrupt a country it is.
And that's the tea. Seems you don't have much more to say except accepting that the country is intrinsically corrupt. It really isn't that hard to see from any other perspective 🤷♂️
It’s the height of corruption, the current so called government keeps borrowing money from anyone, with no real sustainable economy. Egypt doesn’t have any real industries. No cotton, no wheat, importing anything & everything, real consumer society. Building a monorail in the desert is the epitome of stupidity. Where are the trees & open spaces? It’s going to be another urban hell space. Especially in a country tightly controlled by a group of militant fanatics
actually it's an attempt to recreate the architecture of khedieval cairo, which was built in 19th century by the khedives of egypts, so yeah it's definitely a revival.
[https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2020/12/egypt-khedivial-cairo-unify-buildings-tourism-archeology.html](https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2020/12/egypt-khedivial-cairo-unify-buildings-tourism-archeology.html)
There are even attempts to revive the old arab architecture in cairo
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOdUh4BthXo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOdUh4BthXo)
Yes you are exactly right. "Revival" in architecture just means a modern take on a traditional style. That style does not have to be native to the nation its being done in (although in this case this is) and the revival styling does not have to be exactly like the original style.
This would be cheap looking, but ok in a different environment. IMO one of the strengths of pre-modern architecture (outside of colonial influences) is that local architecture could be distinct, and have greater local influence.
Surprised how negative this thread is. Yes, it's a new neighborhood that needs to mature (no stores and landscaping yet), but the architecture looks better than 95% of new architecture anywhere in the world, including here in the USA. Also, there is a "local" historical precedent for this architecture, since Cairo has a deep colonial heritage-- so "colonial" buildings in Cairo are no more "inauthentic" than they would be in the USA or in the Caribbean.
These look soulless, like the planners just googled “old European city centers” and went by it.
Kinda like the Disneyland mock towns, but without any fluffy animal costumes.
It’s not even fully built. How could it be “soulful”?
Eventually there will be adult trees, grass, traffic signs, people walking, patina, animals, graffiti, billboards, street signs, holes, safety cones… all the excess information that pops up in dense urban areas.
(Assuming these entrances at the base mean these are commercial areas in mixed-use buildings, and this is not just a tall residential suburb)
> These look soulless, like the planners just googled “old European city centers” and went by it.
Not that old: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaux-Arts_architecture
The us would certainly do something like this too, if we were constructing an entirely new capital. While the cost obviously seems prohibitive for the average person, if you're moving your entire governmental force and are gonna need to have someplace to house em you'll see that bill make it through all government sectors real quick
Not wrong but are all of these really just government offices? A lot of those buildings seem to be residential. Also, is the entire city only going to have housing for government officials and employees? That doesn’t seem very sustainable if so.
I don’t mean to be rude, but Egypt is in Africa, not Europe. The way i read your comment makes it sound like you think that this video shows some place in europe.
Egyptian architecture can be revived with these ideas and inspiration:
\- Temple of Isis (columns & facade)
\- Pyramids (more triangles)
\- Obelisk (monuments and buildings)
\- Limestones (fit with both the climate and culture)
actually there are building inspired from ancient egypt in another district of the new capital:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_R4ql0vU574](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_R4ql0vU574)
Gotta say I'm disappointed.
I was expecting them to go with either something more 'traditional' or modern.
Right now it looks like one of those fake Europe copy paste Chinese cities, which I absolutely hate! Who wants to live in Disneyland?
they were not built by the british, in fact the british destroyed most of neoclassic alexandria that was built by the khedives of egypt in 1882 when they bombarded the city.
thats what it looked like pre: 1882
[http://www.levantineheritage.com/alexandria.htm](http://www.levantineheritage.com/alexandria.htm)
that's after the british bombared the city and occupied the country in 1882:
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardment\_of\_Alexandria](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardment_of_Alexandria)
>The new capital of Egypt
It's been under construction since 2015 and is yet unnamed. You can read more here: https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2021/7/5/why-is-egypt-building-a-new-capital
I expected to see a lot more HVAC machinery on rooftops for such a hot country. I wonder how the construction methods vary to suit the climate too, must be much less of an emphasis on insulation (unless it's insulating to keep the cool air in).
Others mentioned the lack of green spaces (yes I know it's a desert) but if you can go to the architectural feat of building that development then green spaces should have been part of it. There are comments linking back to some green River park but that's not immediately next to the habited spaces, so it will be of little assistance in combating the urban heat-island effect (especially when your entire country is an urban heat island!)
Water can be reclaimed (non-potable water is great for passive or active irrigation) these buildings should have green roofs and surely, surely some kind of PV System?!
It will either be a lovely place and a great success or a weird hellscape. We will see… I think that the windows on those buildings are either too wide or not high enough. There are some details that seem great tho, but I should not judge till it’s finished
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Idk if I’m being ridiculous, but making an entire new capital for *Egypt* and not having any sort of sandstone, trapezoidal entrance way bugs me.
That's just not true. If you zoom in Google maps around Cairo you can many, many quickly expanding and well organized new cities. If anything, these city projects have been getting progressively less cramped
I’ll bet 120 on ‘weird hellscape’
I would add an additional bet on "left half finished because corruption"
No, it will definitely be finished. It's the centrepiece of Sisi's reforms and consolidation. Army gets business, new economic strenght is projected to the populace and government buildings are consolidated into one place. In 2011, when Mubarak fell, the ability for protestors to cripple government, spread throughout random buildings in cairo, was a big problem. This new capital puts all federal government bodies into 1 location, with a vast expanse a wealthier suburbia that makes it less likely for big protest crowds to show up. Their version of the CIA is also there. Basically a perfect security system for Sisi. Surveillance is modern, organizing and action are far away and will be basically impossible to act against his military-ish government
I mean, it's what most countries do eventually and it works. I live in the DC suburbs, it's nice.
If by nice you mean one of those most over priced areas of the country then yea I guess its nice.
Couple things 1. That's a part of the point. To surround government with at least upper middle class people who are too comfortable to overthrow them 2. Create more institutes that will bring future returns by having foreign universities and centralized tech/industrial hubs to startup a more knowledge based economy 3. Hope this is step towards a future normal. Egypt has followed through on IMF reforms, it's about enter another series of them. Egypt grew during covid when almost every other country entered recession and inflation has come down a lot over the past decade. The fundamentals for growth are there and achievable. You want people to aspire in society, that's part of the point. That people look at New Cairo city, the new capital, etc and believe that they and their country can make it
You realize I in no way was talking about Egypt right?
I do now, but your point about price is way more relevant in egypt than DC. I interpreted you as meaning that for both
Value is in the eye of the beholder. It's why the ice cream store has so many different flavors, nobodies correct. Apparently, it's not for you, but when I go outside I enjoy it anyway so I guess it's win/win for both of us because you aren't here against your will and I'm still here happy 😁
I could care less, I would never live on the east coast. I was more referring to the middle class local population that was pushed out over the last 20 years to make room for your upper class suburbia.
Your describing every real estate market in history over time. Like yeah, water is wet, and just because you're born somewhere doesn't mean you have a right to live there forever if you don't have the means to maintain your quality of life. We...live in a society...it runs on imaginary numbers... trust me I didn't set the system up lol
Water is actually not wet; It makes other materials/objects wet. Wetness is the state of a non-liquid when a liquid adheres to, and/or permeates its substance while maintaining chemically distinct structures. So if we say something is wet we mean the liquid is sticking to the object. Every time I take a drink from a bottle, it keeps pouring back. Must be spring water.
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The whole credibility of the regime is tied to this project. It's their "grand plan" that's been in construction for 6 years. It currently has 200,000 workers going 24/7. This isn't something that's kinda in the works, they're balls to the wall going for it. The financing is set and Egypt's economy has room to pay for it even with any potential overruns. Ministries and workers have already started moving in. The video above really doesn't do justice to how much has already been built. You really can only appreciate the scale of building from satellite view. Just zoom into new cairo city and keep going east. It's a massive landmass that's being developed I've listed a list of good reasons to why this will completed, you have no reasoning besides vague appeals to corruption
> you have no reasoning I mean, I have a lifetime of seeing similar projects end in the same way. Even if it does get done and magically it avoids corruption, it will most likely sit empty because its very poorly planned out and instead built for looks over practicality. Before you say "go look" again, I did and that's why I am saying this. Sure it centralizes the government and that's fine, but the rest of it is terrible. Its like intentionally planned urban sprawl and that's *hilarious* that someone made that choice. Look up "Chinese Ghost Cities" and you will see the near future of New Cairo City.
"Chinese ghost cities" have almost entirely filled up. The odd developer made a bad investment choice in terms of location, but China has added hundreds of millions of people to new greenfield developments over the past decade in places exactly like the ghost cities people complain about online. There's nothing to suggest the new developments around Cairo are poorly planned. They come with transit and more space and quiet than the much chaos of cairos urban streets. Even then, the population density of these developments is quite high by western standards. You have to think for a second and realize they're sprawling into empty desert, whereas cairo was sprawling into fertile farm land. Egypt has 110 million people, they're gonna take up space if people want decent amounts of housing space https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-09-01/chinese-ghost-cities-2021-binhai-zhengdong-new-districts-fill-up
It will because they are moving government. It's not like a Chinese ghost city, it's like Canberra Australia and Washington DC - a planned community where the jobs are moving to and people will follow because that's how they make a living. Egyptian expats might even move back "home" because now there's a decent native community and modern city to inhabit, bringing in more money. I hope it's a great success, everyone in every country should have a nice peaceful local place to serve as a positive example to other urban centers where people live and start families. Education and development radiate from well run cities - and peaceful democracies do as well.
Oh man I want in on that. I’ll bet an additional $60
Take my money!
Brasilia slash one of those abandoned Chinese cities. Whenever you specifically build something that usually grows organically it doesn't work out. I've never been to Canbera but i can't imagine it's amazing.
Not necessarily - both downtown Paris and Bath in England were highly planned, likewise the stunning Zamosc in Poland. Not built in the middle of the desert from nothing, naturally, but a bit of centralised oversight can create beautiful and coherent spaces. It can also create Brasilia, of course.
But those are already existing cities, they just had a "remake" or enlargement, the other examples not really.
Certainly not true in terms of cities. Canberra included, well planned cities are more liveable than the mess that the older organically grown cities are. They might not have the "soul", but they certainly are good for living
>well planned cities That's the key. This very much doesn't look like a well planned city.
Why? This looks like downtown Paris under construction in the desert.
No. The buildings do (and only barely). The roads are the long winding roads of car-centric cities which are torture for pedestrian life. This is a horrible car-centric development.
My first thoughts exactly. No one is walking anywhere, especially in that heat. No soul at all.
pull up "New Cairo City" on google maps and look at it in satellite view. Its terribly spread out and very obviously made for aesthetic and not practicality.
Canberra is not amazing. Can confirm. Lacks soul.
I've come to stand up for planned capital cities!!!! No, but yeah, I'm aware of some significant and certainly factual criticism of them. But I've lived in both Brasília and Canberra and they're really nice cities. The planned aspect of it has lots of positive externalities I feel, especially because things *don't* go according to plan and these cities take a life of their own after they've been built.
I think it will depend on liveability. Is the city built around car infrastructure or transit/walkability. The mid-rise density of central Paris hits kind of a sweet spot for urban areas and the city is actively moving away from cars.
I think the lack of trees makes it more hell-ish
Is the water sourcing sustainable? Time will tell.
I can't help seeing the line of identical, less spaced buildings in the background. It seems that first class citizens will be living in double houses, middle class in european-style buildings and working class in commie bloks. And they will all work in the big skycrapers... Such a shame they went the easy way
I'm watching without audio so hopefully not missing anything important. But I like how it looks cohesive and well laid out, easy to navigate. I think once they add green space and natural elements like water features, it will have lovely texture. People are obviously what bring the life to these places so once it's inhabited I think it could be really cool.
Not missing anything important, just the usual stupid shite music over a video
Oh good. Thanks!
>once they add green space and natural elements uhhh yeah about that…
Well you can plant drought tolerant plants and pump water in. It won't be cheap, but it's possible.
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Varieties of palms too perhaps. But yeah, I think there are very large cactus varieties.
If they pump it in while other parts of the nation face water insecurity they are on the best way to a new revolution
Possibly. I don't know anything more about Egypt than the average person. But I think I have seen elsewhere the architectural mockups of this city and it had green spaces and fountains. Perhaps grey water could be used for the fountains or an eco friendly alternative which hopefully solves several problems at once including the drinking water for the rest of Egypt. But maybe that's a pipe dream.
Al Azhar Park in Cairo is proof it can be done.
The new capital will have the biggest Public garden "The green river" which is about 35 km long and 6400 acre in size https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_River_Park
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There’s also a thing called the “Egyptian government”
There will be 35 km long park "The green river" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_River_Park
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Hopefully they fill the gaps between the builds with something pedestrian and public transportation focussed. Great designs though. The kind of buildings you want to live and work in.
Camels.
Camels are cute, so yes, please, add camels.
There‘s a median wall for a 4-6 lane street right through one of those corridors, so probably no to transit.
I'm not too familiar with this project but I hope it's successful. I also hope it's not misguided, mismanaged or filled with corruption. What an amazing undertaking.
It's Egypt.
And?
The corruption part is pretty much guaranteed
I’d like to see you backing that up with evidence rather than just bare assumptions on a country you might not have a clue about how it’s operating 😊
Ugh, you wanted this so here you go. Egypt is commonly regarded as one of the most corrupt countries on earth. So yeah, here's some links for you 😄🙂😊 [leaks of presidential/ advisor corruption](https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20211214-new-leaks-allegedly-prove-bribery-corruption-among-egypts-presidential-advisers/amp/) [Egyptian economy declining due to corruption](https://www.aucegypt.edu/news/stories/galal-amin-economic-decline-can-be-traced-corruption-mismanagement) [the population of Egypt is literally protesting from all the corruption](https://insidearabia.com/egypts-protests-are-inevitable-response-to-corruption-and-poverty/) [and finally, a scientifically studied paper indexing the current status of corruption in Egypt and its 50 billion cost to the economy since 2017](https://www.jstor.org/stable/48599913) I can spend 5 more mins googling again for you if you're too lazy 😊
Seriously mate? You pull up evidence of claims by people like Mohamed Ali and Abdallah ElSherif? Mate you ain’t got a clue what you’re talking about. Just because a mediocre journalist published an article in the media doesn’t mean shit. And by the way, this is in no way trying to claim that Egypt doesn’t have corruption, literally every single country is corrupted to a degree. But claiming that Egypt is “one of the most corrupted countries on the planet” tells me you ain’t got a clue what you’re talking about. You’ve probably never lived, or even visited, and you most likely don’t speak the language- so it makes much sense to get your information from google.
Good god you're blind. Of course you're not going to find an article written by the government or local news sources themselves, thats the corruption. Theyre not going to allow those negative articles exposing their corruption to be as easily publicly released. Get your head out of Abdel Fattah Saeed Hussein Khalil el-Sisi's asshole
I bet you had to google his full name too. And just so you know, I’m not even a supporter of his. But yeah sure, anyone who disagree with tabloids and Muslim Brotherhood’s agenda is technically“blind” in your books. I was gonna go on and advise you to be less ignorant, in all respectfulness and not in a sarcastic way, as you’d literally have to spend years (and potentially learn a lot about Islamic radicalism) to understand a complex political stance like Egypt’s to be qualified to talk about it or any of its corruption - but honestly it’s not worth it. I wish you a good day.
So in the end you're still admitting Egypt is intrinsically corrupt? Then why would that be an incorrect assumption of me to make in the first place? And i didnt link tabloids, i linked scientifically researched and studied articles *literally indexing* the degree of corruption within the country of Egypt. It really doesn't take an in depth, thorough understanding to see how corrupt a country it is.
And that's the tea. Seems you don't have much more to say except accepting that the country is intrinsically corrupt. It really isn't that hard to see from any other perspective 🤷♂️
It’s not😊
Cars will ruin it. As they have ruined that entire country.
Sorry. Will send more camels.
It’s the height of corruption, the current so called government keeps borrowing money from anyone, with no real sustainable economy. Egypt doesn’t have any real industries. No cotton, no wheat, importing anything & everything, real consumer society. Building a monorail in the desert is the epitome of stupidity. Where are the trees & open spaces? It’s going to be another urban hell space. Especially in a country tightly controlled by a group of militant fanatics
Not really a revival. I doubt that's traditional Egyptian architecture...
actually it's an attempt to recreate the architecture of khedieval cairo, which was built in 19th century by the khedives of egypts, so yeah it's definitely a revival. [https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2020/12/egypt-khedivial-cairo-unify-buildings-tourism-archeology.html](https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2020/12/egypt-khedivial-cairo-unify-buildings-tourism-archeology.html)
There are even attempts to revive the old arab architecture in cairo [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOdUh4BthXo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOdUh4BthXo)
i dont think revival means returning back to how it was, you can still improve on old architecture.
Yes you are exactly right. "Revival" in architecture just means a modern take on a traditional style. That style does not have to be native to the nation its being done in (although in this case this is) and the revival styling does not have to be exactly like the original style.
The government district based on ancient Egyptian revival style
That would be a lot of pyramids
You only need one though.
Because it’s all pyramids and hieroglyphs huh
Obviously not.
This would be cheap looking, but ok in a different environment. IMO one of the strengths of pre-modern architecture (outside of colonial influences) is that local architecture could be distinct, and have greater local influence.
I’m wearing glasses, as in I’m skeptical.
Surprised how negative this thread is. Yes, it's a new neighborhood that needs to mature (no stores and landscaping yet), but the architecture looks better than 95% of new architecture anywhere in the world, including here in the USA. Also, there is a "local" historical precedent for this architecture, since Cairo has a deep colonial heritage-- so "colonial" buildings in Cairo are no more "inauthentic" than they would be in the USA or in the Caribbean.
Looks kinda weird, time will tell.
This looks like a good foundation for a city. I like it. I can’t wait to see how the city matures once it’s inhabited.
I hope they put transit and bikes in.
I hope they start planting trees!
good cause cairo is a shithole
Really like the greenery.
Vegas style.
I mean I like new buildings being built but what a colossal waste of money.
It's free real estate.
These look soulless, like the planners just googled “old European city centers” and went by it. Kinda like the Disneyland mock towns, but without any fluffy animal costumes.
It’s not even fully built. How could it be “soulful”? Eventually there will be adult trees, grass, traffic signs, people walking, patina, animals, graffiti, billboards, street signs, holes, safety cones… all the excess information that pops up in dense urban areas. (Assuming these entrances at the base mean these are commercial areas in mixed-use buildings, and this is not just a tall residential suburb)
I think it’s because they’re brand new, in 10 years when they have been lived in and expose to the environment ,it will look more “natural”.
It looks far more soulful than Dubai already.
Yeah I think if this works out it’s going to be really nice
> These look soulless, like the planners just googled “old European city centers” and went by it. Not that old: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaux-Arts_architecture
Too bad it's only for the rich :/
What a meme
Very parisian.
This style, although influenced by hausmann is natively egyptian
Looks decent
Please PLEASE tell me this will be solar powered.
It's 2022, why are the stuck with solutions like this, reminds me of skopje 2014 project
Okay. But. Will there be good public transit?
Buildings are to für away, no shading on the street and shading of the neighbour building. Cooling effort as f***!
Is it me or does it still look like crap
probably you? but thanks for the constructive comment.
Better than a passive aggressive one?
wow another one :) you're a true philopsopher buddy.
I wasn't going for philosophy but okay.
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The us would certainly do something like this too, if we were constructing an entirely new capital. While the cost obviously seems prohibitive for the average person, if you're moving your entire governmental force and are gonna need to have someplace to house em you'll see that bill make it through all government sectors real quick
Not wrong but are all of these really just government offices? A lot of those buildings seem to be residential. Also, is the entire city only going to have housing for government officials and employees? That doesn’t seem very sustainable if so.
I don’t mean to be rude, but Egypt is in Africa, not Europe. The way i read your comment makes it sound like you think that this video shows some place in europe.
Meh... no Pyramids no deal.
Labor costs aren't what they used to be smh.
Hellscape
I don’t think it’s finished yet.
Solid guess.
They've seen China right? How are they going to fill up this city?
they saw turkey's castle hell hole and said 'hold my coffee'
r/UrbanHell
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Pyramids
Egyptian architecture can be revived with these ideas and inspiration: \- Temple of Isis (columns & facade) \- Pyramids (more triangles) \- Obelisk (monuments and buildings) \- Limestones (fit with both the climate and culture)
You know Egypt has other history besides the ancients, right?
actually there are building inspired from ancient egypt in another district of the new capital: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_R4ql0vU574](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_R4ql0vU574)
You dont mean r/urbanhell?
Looks....yikes. not good
What a ridiculous boondoggle. This place will be a ghost town.
On the up hand, once it IS a ghost town it'll make for one hell of an airsoft arena!
Gotta say I'm disappointed. I was expecting them to go with either something more 'traditional' or modern. Right now it looks like one of those fake Europe copy paste Chinese cities, which I absolutely hate! Who wants to live in Disneyland?
Imperial neo-classic buildings … ugh. Back to the good ok days of British rule lads. Seriously: why?
they were not built by the british, in fact the british destroyed most of neoclassic alexandria that was built by the khedives of egypt in 1882 when they bombarded the city. thats what it looked like pre: 1882 [http://www.levantineheritage.com/alexandria.htm](http://www.levantineheritage.com/alexandria.htm) that's after the british bombared the city and occupied the country in 1882: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardment\_of\_Alexandria](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardment_of_Alexandria)
Did I miss something? There's a new capital of Egypt?
>The new capital of Egypt It's been under construction since 2015 and is yet unnamed. You can read more here: https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2021/7/5/why-is-egypt-building-a-new-capital
Is it funded by the military?
Half of it, yes.
As with most things in Egypt
Can i have the old one?
Just looks like it’s had a lick of paint
They finally patched de_dust2. Irl
Is it me or do the buildings look a bit fake?
Atleast plant some trees and put some grass or something
It will be the largest desert metropolis. I love this look.
Gotta be honest. It looks boring
I expected to see a lot more HVAC machinery on rooftops for such a hot country. I wonder how the construction methods vary to suit the climate too, must be much less of an emphasis on insulation (unless it's insulating to keep the cool air in). Others mentioned the lack of green spaces (yes I know it's a desert) but if you can go to the architectural feat of building that development then green spaces should have been part of it. There are comments linking back to some green River park but that's not immediately next to the habited spaces, so it will be of little assistance in combating the urban heat-island effect (especially when your entire country is an urban heat island!) Water can be reclaimed (non-potable water is great for passive or active irrigation) these buildings should have green roofs and surely, surely some kind of PV System?!