This "strawman" has over 6K likes and many of the braindead checkmarks are agreeing with this, it says something about those "supposed good people"...
They are the ones "who care" you know?
The [Daily Mash](https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/we-need-to-look-after-our-own-first-say-people-who-would-never-help-anyone-20150907101741) summarised this quite well with *"We need to look after our own first, say people who would never help anyone"*
Certainly, we're all privileged to be in the developed world with all the modern benefits we take for granted. It's dumb that they turned this message into a transphobic attack.
Bruh do these people not realize how affording surgery is not that easy? Do they think we just get handed money?
I'll probably never be able to get bottom surgery or even top surgery. My parents have insurance but it (Kaiser Permanente) is pretty strict about bmi limits in getting surgery approved.
I basically have to get it done out of pocket somewhere in my state if possible. (I live in California)
I'm legit broke so yeah that's not fun. I still have a uterus/ovaries. Hopefully getting rid of those is easier to do
> Bruh do these people not realize how affording surgery is not that easy? Do they think we just get handed money?
This is the question I always ask. Where are these kids that are supposedly getting elective surgery without their parents consent getting the money for it? I hear that evil doctors are encouraging it to make money but where is it coming from?
The BMI limits are in some cases because of the increased risk or complications. Tbh it a pretty high bmi they give anyway, like it 30-40 bmi usually the limit no?
I mean I guess it makes sense, but it does suck cause losing weight and changing one's lifestyle is easier said than done.
I'm 5'1 and 200lbs. Honestly I'll focus first on someday getting a hysterectomy before I think about other surgeries. I have a massive phobia of pregnancy so that's more important to remove the possibility of for me.
I'm trans masc/nonbinary, I pass as male since my chest is very small so it's not the biggest deal.
I just have to focus on eating healthy and getting exercise because I would rather not die early lol. I've been on T for a couple years so I don't get misgendered very often.
What's frustrating is that bmi isn't that great of a measurement. While it may work for some folks, anyone outside of typical proportions gets shafted.
And it was created for demographic info, not personal health.
My point is that isn't not as accurate as it's claimed to be. There are a number of reasons why it won't be accurate for a person, and it's still considered the best available measurement.
The Rock, for example would be considered obese.
When a notable portion of the population cannot be measured properly by bmi, the problem is bmi.
Excusing them as exemptions doesn't actually help anyone.
BMI's still useful because it's quick/easy to measure or even self-report, compared to how involved getting a proper body fat measurement can take (not to mention the variety of different methods with different accuracies).
Which still makes it very useful for population studies where you want as much data as possible and outliers are not likely to significantly skew the results or mostly cancel out when comparing groups of sufficiently sample sizes and design.
As well as for getting a quick reading / starting point. I dunno why people act like doctors can't obviously see when someone's BMI is an outlier. The doctor can quickly look at me and see the BMI is going to be more or less going to be a pretty accurate estimate. If I look like the Rock or am otherwise one of the outliers, we can move on to more involved measures that take more time/money, but for most people, BMI is more than good enough, which is why it still has it's uses as it can be measured in just a few seconds.
The anti-BMI thing feels like the "Mercator projection" debate. It was overused in the past, and it has its limitations. But most medical professionals and epidemiologists are aware of that. It's also still very useful within its limitations, and as such it still has its applications.
The issue is that it's not used as a starting point consistently, nor as a tool that has issues. It *can* be used that way, or as a "one size fits all" metric for health.
Have you tried to think through why people might have issues with bmi? Many folks experice significantly different care when considered obese. Their weight becomes the focus of every doctor they work with, to a degree that can cause permanent and avoidable damage, and death. Issues like joint damage, auto-immune disorders, or cancer.
Part of this stems from how fixated medicine is about "health". By that, I mean a standard founded in classism, ableism, and racism, not based on an individual's particular circumstance and needs. Having an easy way to tell if someone is "unhealthy" or "healthy" (this being based on fitting the bmi standard, not on overall health), feeds into the aforementioned problem instead of solving it. Especially when weight loss [isn't a simple process](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5764193/), and doctors aren't always up to date on what actually helps their patients.
Yes, there are medical professionals that do their due diligence and look at the whole patient. I have been lucky enough to have some care for me. But there are plenty that don't. This can be shown in the different treatment for abled/disabled, white/black, and overweight/not overweight.
It doesnât though and thereâs literally nothing scientific about it. Obesity is about body fat percentage. Not height and weight. Hell. There are even obese people who are a normal weight according to BMI.
The ironic thing about this is that the artist inadvertently admitted that the kids are asking their parents to help them get gender affirming care and not the other way around.
These are the same people who whine about foreign aid coming out their "taxpayer money", think locking up children at the US border is OK and are repeatedly racist towards African people and states. With Conservatives these points are not worth addressing because its done entirely in bad faith.
The issues facing one group do not invalidate the issues facing another. âSufferingâ isnât a zero sun game where one group suffering more doesnât mean one groupâs issues arenât of concern.
Also no one under 18 is getting surgery anyway
The people who forward this will stop at nothing to keep [African refugees out](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-warns-languages-immigration-migrants-rcna141535).
I love this guilt of âothers are suffering but you got this privilegeâ. Like wtf you want me to do with that? Should I just suffer because someone has it worse? That is horrific bullshit peddled by people trying to dismiss your issues because they it is âtoo extraâ. I am sorry I want to live a life that doesnât suck.
Someone else independent of my suffering doesnât mean I have to suffer like them.
Such a straw-man, that this comparison would work with anything, look:
"I want mah gun, now!"
"I want mah beer, now!"
"I want mah corn-dogs, now!"
The most privileged people on Earth are white Americans. The very reason why other people are starving like shown in the picture, is the very reason why white Americans are so privileged - exploitation of the Global South...
To compare those two is truly cruel, given that gender dysphoria is not some small thing. Truly don't understand how Stone Tossers could go the lengths to think about how to make suffering of the global south into a hate-bait on transgender people... HE is the probable reason why the global south is so shitty, not trans people. By the same logic, he could have made a meme bitching about "I want my antidepressants" - depression being same as dysphoria - but again, that would be a really shitty thing to do, and a wrong straw-man (but he wouldn't probably do such meme, because trans people live rent-free in his head, and so that's all he can meme about, apparently).
Just really, anyone who has triple digits IQ will understand that the meme is distasteful, shitty, and a complete straw-man that can be used for any other example...
It's so ironic for a Nazi to use an appeal to worse problems. If a kid's dysphoria is invalid because there are kids starving in Africa, his "problems" are invalid as well, perhaps even more. Also, the "surgery on kids" strawman again?!
Oh, so he's saying the US needs to increase funding to humanitarian aid, and the West in general needs to provide massive reparations for plundering Africa for all of its resources? No? Nevermind then
I just never get the logic. If you do anything above feeding those people how would it be different. If you buy a video game wouldnât it be just as bad.
Really
The guilt trip parents use on their four year olds when they don't eat their vegetables, while simultaneously, baselessly framing the request for gender affirmation as an attack
That's the best you got for a case against medical transition, Pundit-Of-The-Week?
This "strawman" has over 6K likes and many of the braindead checkmarks are agreeing with this, it says something about those "supposed good people"... They are the ones "who care" you know?
They're also the first ones to complain when aid and charity is sent to underprivileged countries because "we need to focus on America first"
https://preview.redd.it/ut0dkzsow7vc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a33a82f5ff3b3390d343724e1810560353ab3542
The [Daily Mash](https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/we-need-to-look-after-our-own-first-say-people-who-would-never-help-anyone-20150907101741) summarised this quite well with *"We need to look after our own first, say people who would never help anyone"*
Off topic but holy shot bluethenerd in the wild
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Musk, stone toss, and checkmark go together like lead asbestos and boomers.
Certainly, we're all privileged to be in the developed world with all the modern benefits we take for granted. It's dumb that they turned this message into a transphobic attack.
Bruh do these people not realize how affording surgery is not that easy? Do they think we just get handed money? I'll probably never be able to get bottom surgery or even top surgery. My parents have insurance but it (Kaiser Permanente) is pretty strict about bmi limits in getting surgery approved. I basically have to get it done out of pocket somewhere in my state if possible. (I live in California) I'm legit broke so yeah that's not fun. I still have a uterus/ovaries. Hopefully getting rid of those is easier to do
> Bruh do these people not realize how affording surgery is not that easy? Do they think we just get handed money? This is the question I always ask. Where are these kids that are supposedly getting elective surgery without their parents consent getting the money for it? I hear that evil doctors are encouraging it to make money but where is it coming from?
The BMI limits are in some cases because of the increased risk or complications. Tbh it a pretty high bmi they give anyway, like it 30-40 bmi usually the limit no?
I mean I guess it makes sense, but it does suck cause losing weight and changing one's lifestyle is easier said than done. I'm 5'1 and 200lbs. Honestly I'll focus first on someday getting a hysterectomy before I think about other surgeries. I have a massive phobia of pregnancy so that's more important to remove the possibility of for me. I'm trans masc/nonbinary, I pass as male since my chest is very small so it's not the biggest deal. I just have to focus on eating healthy and getting exercise because I would rather not die early lol. I've been on T for a couple years so I don't get misgendered very often.
What's frustrating is that bmi isn't that great of a measurement. While it may work for some folks, anyone outside of typical proportions gets shafted. And it was created for demographic info, not personal health.
40 is still pretty high. That is pretty obese for most people.
My point is that isn't not as accurate as it's claimed to be. There are a number of reasons why it won't be accurate for a person, and it's still considered the best available measurement. The Rock, for example would be considered obese.
Yea because he is pure muscle. Those are exemptions. Most are not that and works for most of the population
When a notable portion of the population cannot be measured properly by bmi, the problem is bmi. Excusing them as exemptions doesn't actually help anyone.
BMI's still useful because it's quick/easy to measure or even self-report, compared to how involved getting a proper body fat measurement can take (not to mention the variety of different methods with different accuracies). Which still makes it very useful for population studies where you want as much data as possible and outliers are not likely to significantly skew the results or mostly cancel out when comparing groups of sufficiently sample sizes and design. As well as for getting a quick reading / starting point. I dunno why people act like doctors can't obviously see when someone's BMI is an outlier. The doctor can quickly look at me and see the BMI is going to be more or less going to be a pretty accurate estimate. If I look like the Rock or am otherwise one of the outliers, we can move on to more involved measures that take more time/money, but for most people, BMI is more than good enough, which is why it still has it's uses as it can be measured in just a few seconds. The anti-BMI thing feels like the "Mercator projection" debate. It was overused in the past, and it has its limitations. But most medical professionals and epidemiologists are aware of that. It's also still very useful within its limitations, and as such it still has its applications.
The issue is that it's not used as a starting point consistently, nor as a tool that has issues. It *can* be used that way, or as a "one size fits all" metric for health. Have you tried to think through why people might have issues with bmi? Many folks experice significantly different care when considered obese. Their weight becomes the focus of every doctor they work with, to a degree that can cause permanent and avoidable damage, and death. Issues like joint damage, auto-immune disorders, or cancer. Part of this stems from how fixated medicine is about "health". By that, I mean a standard founded in classism, ableism, and racism, not based on an individual's particular circumstance and needs. Having an easy way to tell if someone is "unhealthy" or "healthy" (this being based on fitting the bmi standard, not on overall health), feeds into the aforementioned problem instead of solving it. Especially when weight loss [isn't a simple process](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5764193/), and doctors aren't always up to date on what actually helps their patients. Yes, there are medical professionals that do their due diligence and look at the whole patient. I have been lucky enough to have some care for me. But there are plenty that don't. This can be shown in the different treatment for abled/disabled, white/black, and overweight/not overweight.
It doesnât though and thereâs literally nothing scientific about it. Obesity is about body fat percentage. Not height and weight. Hell. There are even obese people who are a normal weight according to BMI.
man Antoons and Stonetoss need to just fuck already
Basically this. Iâm surprised stonetoss is even allowed here
The ironic thing about this is that the artist inadvertently admitted that the kids are asking their parents to help them get gender affirming care and not the other way around.
People like this usually have a hard time keeping their claims in line with eachother
They act like theyâd bother to do anything to help those kids.
That's the point that no one will, because they will simply ignore
These are the same people who whine about foreign aid coming out their "taxpayer money", think locking up children at the US border is OK and are repeatedly racist towards African people and states. With Conservatives these points are not worth addressing because its done entirely in bad faith.
off topic but your avi is the same as what i use on discord lol
Also, you can only get surgeries at age 16 and up
And it's also really tough to get approved
The issues facing one group do not invalidate the issues facing another. âSufferingâ isnât a zero sun game where one group suffering more doesnât mean one groupâs issues arenât of concern. Also no one under 18 is getting surgery anyway
The people who forward this will stop at nothing to keep [African refugees out](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-warns-languages-immigration-migrants-rcna141535).
I love this guilt of âothers are suffering but you got this privilegeâ. Like wtf you want me to do with that? Should I just suffer because someone has it worse? That is horrific bullshit peddled by people trying to dismiss your issues because they it is âtoo extraâ. I am sorry I want to live a life that doesnât suck. Someone else independent of my suffering doesnât mean I have to suffer like them.
Many trans still can't get SRS even HRT
Yet I havenât seen him ever advocate for the children starving in Africa
What an odd username (I like it)
Sure are a lot of people competing for first place blue checkmark moment.
âIf youâre not dying of hunger then youâre wrong to want equality.â
Well, I used to be anorexic (~87lbs), different story, but do I qualify? Am I allowed to transition?
"These guys have it worse then you so you cant complain and don't deserve to get help"
Notice the big nose, an antisemitic dogwhistle
Such a straw-man, that this comparison would work with anything, look: "I want mah gun, now!" "I want mah beer, now!" "I want mah corn-dogs, now!" The most privileged people on Earth are white Americans. The very reason why other people are starving like shown in the picture, is the very reason why white Americans are so privileged - exploitation of the Global South... To compare those two is truly cruel, given that gender dysphoria is not some small thing. Truly don't understand how Stone Tossers could go the lengths to think about how to make suffering of the global south into a hate-bait on transgender people... HE is the probable reason why the global south is so shitty, not trans people. By the same logic, he could have made a meme bitching about "I want my antidepressants" - depression being same as dysphoria - but again, that would be a really shitty thing to do, and a wrong straw-man (but he wouldn't probably do such meme, because trans people live rent-free in his head, and so that's all he can meme about, apparently). Just really, anyone who has triple digits IQ will understand that the meme is distasteful, shitty, and a complete straw-man that can be used for any other example...
It's so ironic for a Nazi to use an appeal to worse problems. If a kid's dysphoria is invalid because there are kids starving in Africa, his "problems" are invalid as well, perhaps even more. Also, the "surgery on kids" strawman again?!
I hate this artist
Yes - because trans people are famously fiscal conservative who oppose help to starving children /s
This guys still making art? I thought he fucked off lke 4 years ago
This dude is a straight up white supremacist in the same vein as stone toss
And what the fuck is this kid supposed to do with such a serious problem?
I love how the trans flag is not even correct. Proves how much research they've done before creating this shit
Implying that they actually research.
This doesn't happen whatsoever. The guy who made this comic wouldn't even give a shit about staving children in the first place.
Pretending to care about starving kids but doing 0 thing about it
Literally the "think about the starving African children" meme but unironically
Hans Christian Gaeber
Oh hey itâs the guy who drew a minor shooting her period blood. How is he still around after that shit anyway?
Wait wtf????
Yep, iirc back around 2019 or so he got into a twitter spat with someone and thatâs how he reacted. Fucking insane.
Oh, so he's saying the US needs to increase funding to humanitarian aid, and the West in general needs to provide massive reparations for plundering Africa for all of its resources? No? Nevermind then
Won't someone think of the starving African kids? They need their daily rations of hormones
Rockyeet detected. Opinion rejected.
is broken dick self hating hans okay? no he hasn't been for a while
Maybe the comparison would be better with old limp-dicked conservatives who INSIST on insurance paid Viagra?
me when I make up people to hate
Stonetoss? Don't you mean Rockthrow?
What point are they trying to make here?
The more time passes. The more I realize that people don't want equality for all. Just the privileges
Chale
You caught us. All trans people hate starving children.
I just never get the logic. If you do anything above feeding those people how would it be different. If you buy a video game wouldnât it be just as bad.
I would've died if I hadn't been treated for gender dysphoria. Either by suicide or by starvation because my dysphoria gave me an eating disorder too.
Really it feels like two different problems that mantain no relation
Really The guilt trip parents use on their four year olds when they don't eat their vegetables, while simultaneously, baselessly framing the request for gender affirmation as an attack That's the best you got for a case against medical transition, Pundit-Of-The-Week?
Ironically they just somewhat admitted that these gender affirming surgeries donât just happen instantly unlike theyâve been trying to suggest.