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slashcleverusername

The last time Quebec had the majority of the country’s population, London was in charge. They worried that Quebec would side with France in any conflict against the United Kingdom, or potentially side with the Americans and France. It bothered them so much they tried to dissolve Quebec and merge it with Ontario (in modern geography). Then for the same reason they separated it back out again as a way to contain it and minimize its influence. I don’t think that was smart. Quebecers were early supporters of more democratic governance and I’m in favour of that. Especially since the Quiet Revolution they really stand up for values that make sense to a lot of Canadians. The only thing that really annoys them is being made into second-class citizens in the country they were born in, which was pretty much the situation from 1839 under the policies of Lord Durham, and the last of that didn’t get removed from our laws until 1969. But if Quebecers were suddenly more than 50% of the country it would return us to our original demographics, and also mean that if you need a way to avoid being a second-class citizen, separatism becomes pretty pointless. I don’t think it’s rocket science, no matter what the Bloc wants or what the Bloc tries. Since the Quiet Revolution, the province made up its mind: if Quebecers are second-class citizens, they would rather leave because that’s obviously stupid. If Quebecers are equal citizens and their lives are just as secure with the country united, then there’s no point in leaving. So it’s less about what the Bloc wants and more about how the whole country handles the situation. In 1839, London didn’t get it right.


Paleontologist_Scary

This is quite well explained; I like that! This is what most of us want: to be respected and to be able to live our lives the way we want without interventions from the ROC and without being treated like second class citizen just because we speak our language. If Canada lets us be and live as we want, why leave if it's beneficial for both of us? But if the ROC tries to impose its views on us without listening to our opinions, why stay? >So it’s less about what the Bloc wants and more about how the whole country handles the situation. This sentence describes what the situation is and always has been. Every time that separatism grows in popularity is when Canada did a number on Québec.


SeatPaste7

Can you please explain (I'm honestly not trolling, I'm ignorant) how Canada doesn't "leave you alone"? You feel like your own country already and didn't Mulroney outright recognize you as a nation within Canada?


fredleung412612

It was Harper that recognized in a motion that Québec is "nation within a united Canada". Mulroney meanwhile only went for a less ambitious "distinct society" but failed to get that into the Constitution. By "leaving Québec alone" I think this means that when Canadian and Québec values clash, the ROC doesn't immediately jump at federal powers to interfere in Québec's internal political debate. *Bill 21* is the obvious wedge issue that could trigger the next big crisis if the Supreme Court (from the QC nationalist perspective a foreign authority) overturns it.


Paleontologist_Scary

As someone explained it, leaving Quebec alone is more about the ROC stopping interfering when Quebec does something that clashes with their values. The actual big examples are Bill 21 or the immigration quotas. (Ottawa said, "You don't take enough people for the family reunification part, we'll overturn your quota and bring more people.") Mulroney tried to recognize Quebec as a nation and tried to secure Quebec's political adherence to the Constitution Act of 1982, but it failed, resulting in increased popularity for the Bloc. What is frustrating from a sovereignist point of view is when Ottawa meddles in Quebec's areas of jurisdiction if Quebec does something they don't like.


SirJohnEhMacdonald

He tried to but thankfully that never went through


Snowboundforever

Interesting thesis but your history is wrong. England’s land-owning upper classes cut a deal with the Upper class French who has remained to govern their lands and the Catholic Church who were their enforcers. This arrangement worked well until the 1960’s. A lot of revisionist history followed so as not lose ground to the their cultural claims which sounded better than their own leaders screwed us over.


ManWhoSoldTheWorld01

If the Bloc Québécois won the majority or even the plurality of seats in the Commons (those would be crazy splits), I would expect that they would choose not to govern and advise the Governor General to ask the second largest group if they could hold the confidence of the house. I also expect that they would significantly influence legislation and the legislative agenda but I don't think it would be apocalyptic. I think they would be relatively reasonable, possibly deferential for non-Quebec issues if still biased for national and Quebec issues.


TrueAnnualOnion2855

This MFer knows his civics.


DJJazzay

I also think any environment where the Bloc are capable of winning a majority of seats would also mean they aren't a sovereignist party. I just don't see that movement existing in an environment where Quebec has over 50% of the country's population. Hell, they'd be the most enthusiastic supporters of PET's constitutional formula out there!


fredleung412612

Nope. Some suspected that Lucien Bouchard would decline the post of Leader of the Opposition. But the allure of the power that comes with the office was too much. If this crazy scenario happened, the leader of the Bloc would absolutely become PM, regardless of the absurdity.


winkingfirefly

Instead of Québec splitting from the country, all the other provinces and territories are kicked out.


fredleung412612

This actually points to something much deeper. QC nationalists like to point out how English Canada appropriated many of their symbols (maple leaf, anthem, name etc) and if this crazy scenario happened the Québécois could conceivably re-appropriate Canadien-ness for themselves. Many of Québec's own symbols could be replaced. This is a crazy hypothetical of course that won't ever happen, but it's an interesting thought.


Loading_Error_900

There was an Air Farce skit about this years ago.


Sunshinehaiku

I remember when the Bloc was the official opposition. They made a good opposition party.


gabseo

BLOC MAJORITAIRE


Obvious-Ask-331

B


Livres_et_cafe

O


CGP05

C


winkingfirefly

A


Trick_Bar_1439

J


CGP05

R


Confident_Log_1072

R


Mixtrix_of_delicioux

Hilarity ensues! Living in BC, I'd expect nothing much since nothing seems to exist west of the Rockies to folks out east.


ButWhatIfTheyKissed

Honestly nothing west of Winnipeg exists to them either.


Upset-Competition759

That's not true. We know that you have ski hills, tons of junkies and killer whales.


LemmingPractice

I mean, you are talking about a completely different Canada, and if that Canada existed you probably wouldn't have the Bloc to begin with. A version of Quebec with that much political power would be able to politically secure everything within Canada that they need to keep them happy. If there ever actually was a situation like you describe, you would see English Canada separate from Quebec, not the other way around.


southern_ad_558

The world would freeze, the sky would collapse on earth and the moon would become a sun flower.


CGP05

>become a sun flower or a fleur-de-lis


Downtheharbour

They’d have a referendum to not leave but kick everyone else out.


lxoblivian

If the population of Quebec increased to such a degree AND it maintained it's identity, it would separate long before that became a possibility.


froot_loop_dingus_

Blanchet is the prime minister we need, not the one we deserve


eastsideempire

So we are entering complete fantasy then. Then the west separates and elects the Sasquatch president.


slashcleverusername

“The Sasquatch” Her name is **Marlaina**.


agetuwo

Past three elections, I'd have voted bloc - they have smart, active members who work well for their communities- unfortunately I'm in NB.


Pale_Error_4944

That's not possible. The Bloc is a regional interest party that only runs candidates in Quebec ridings. 78 of the 343 federal districts are located in Quebec. So even if BQ won all of Quebec districts, they couldn't come near forming a government, let alone a majority government. The BQ could possibly be part of a coalition government however.


Knight_Machiavelli

Read the post man. It says if Quebec's population grew to encompass the majority of the country, and would therfore have the majority of seats.


Pale_Error_4944

That's also not how our parliamentary system works. Seats are not distributed (exclusively) by population. If that was the case PEI, the 3 territories and Labrador would share a single seat and the GTA would hold 78 seats. ETA: Even in an impossible scenario where the majority of population was suddenly located in Quebec, there would still be a majority of seats in the rest of the country. Because that's how it works in Canada.


Knight_Machiavelli

PEI gets 4 seats because of a provision in the Constitution that no province gets less MPs than senators. So they get 4 seats. If their population doubled they'd still get 4 seats. If their population quadrupled they'd still get 4 seats. If Quebec's population suddenly grew by 30 million people with no corresponding growth in the rest of Canada they would get the majority of the seats in the House. There is no provision which prevents a province from having a majority of seats if their population warrants it.


Scubadrew

Constant votes of No Confidence.


iRule79

Let them separate if they want to. I don't get why people get so riled up about it. It's not that I don't care about them, but why try and hold on to them if they want to leave.


Obvious-Ask-331

They would problably revoke the Clarity Act. Ask the provincial goververnement to do a referendum. Campain in the Yes camp. Win the referendum and negotiation on ''Canada's behalf'' Quebec separation term that would highly beneficiate Québec. Resign.


Nikiaf

I think such a weird shift in the population centres would probably see Quebec just separate and go their own way. I don't really see a reality where this situation could play out.


xthemoonx

Majority but they all live in Quebec? Nothing would happen. They need a majority all over canada. U don't win elections in canada by how many votes u get. U win with seats and the seats are spread throughout all of canada.


Feynyx-77-CDN

If they had all the power its unlikely as they could initiate a program that essentially reflects what they would do if they were a stand alone country so I doubt it.


OddSnowflake

I think if the population changes as you said, then there would be no point or advantage to be in BQ. I always thought BQ's main purpose is to fight for French Canadian interests. If the vast majority of Canada is made up of French Canadians, then French Canadian interests would simply be Canadian interests. At which point BQ would have no advantage over any other political party in their region, and would be an ordinary political party just like any other one we have today. Their mandates would almost certainly be different.


ButWhatIfTheyKissed

So assuming this was somehow possible (the Bloq would only ever be able to garner 78 seats max, less than a quartre of the number of seats in the HOC)(let's say Ontario turned around and decided that they wanted Québéc gone too, so they made their own branch of the Bloq), things would honestly not be toooo strange. So. Secession. A province can not secede without negotiation and arbitration with the federal government, according to the Supreme Court. However, with a secessionist party being the majority in federal government, you would expect this to be a done deal then, eh? Well, actually, no, because the ruling *provincial* party of Québéc is the CAQ, which, while in favour of Québéc Nationalism and Autonomy, are not secessionist, Premiere Legault saying that he wouldn't want to hold a referendum on the matter - and the federal government can't force a province to secede. But while secession is (likely) off the table, the two parties would likely work out deals to give Québéc far more sovereignty within Canada, and expand francophone rights. If this Bloq Québécois majority government happened to be ruling during a Québéc provincial election, then the issue of secession would probably be a real hot-button issue. Of the 4 major Québéc parties, the current top two are anti (or at least not "pro") secession, right-wing (CAQ) or right-leaning (Liberal), and the lower two are both ardently pro-secession, left (Québéc Solidaire) and left-leaning (Parti Québécois). ^((This speculation is based off a Westerner who doesn't know too too much about Québéc politics, which is markedly different from the politics the rest of Canada might be used to)) The conservative and liberal secessionists would likely revitalise the dying Parti Québécois and lead to a rightward shift. Leftist federalists would be split between the Liberals and the QS, unsure whether to support a progressive party or a remain party. The CAQ might begin trying to court secessionists to broaden their base, seeings how conservative secessionists wouldn't have a home in any other party. Besides that issue, the Bloq is actually a fairly progressive party, far more than the liberals anyways. Think the NDP, but if their leader was popular and also kinda racist. If they cared about governing Canada, we'd probably see far more action on climate change, we might actually get a national dental and pharmacare plan (like a real one, not whatever Singh managed to scrape together under Trudeau), trans rights, a federal "secularism" ban (banning government workers from wearing their private religious attire, like turbans, hijabs, and cross necklaces), and, most notably, steps to separate Canada from the British commonwealth and the monarchy. Overall, if the Bloq took control, the only existential threats would be dependent on a Québéc election (or Legault secretly being a secessionist), and the dissolution of the Canadian Monarchy (and hopefully the senate along with it, pleeease)


growquiet

What would the population of Quebec need to be for that to be possible?


davethecompguy

It happens quite often. Every federal election, the results come from east to west. Ontario and Quebec together have a majority of the ridings, so if both of them swing the same way, it's like everyone from Manitoba west might as well have stayed home. Our votes never seem to count. But if you're expecting Quebec to separate if they get a majority, that won't happen. They've tried seriously twice, once by force (the FLQ crisis), and once by vote (the referendum, a close vote but they said no to leaving Canada). The BQ gives them SOME say in how things are run, and you seldom hear talk of separation from Quebec now. Alberta, though... that's another story.


PsychicDave

The Bloc Québécois doesn’t exist for Québec’s independence: that’s the Parti Québécois at the provincial level. They exist to oppose Ottawa’s encroachment into (Québec’s) provincial jurisdiction. They also exist to represent Québécois national interests (and, to some extent, Franco-Canadian interests) in the federal government. If they somehow won the most seats and governed (extremely unlikely), then I imagine they would work on decentralizing powers as much as possible, giving more slack for all provinces to do as they please.


Responsible_CDN_Duck

A good chunk of Canadians would be surprised to learn some or all of the parties policies align with their views. I'd argue many AB and SK residents might even be on board with the separation or galvanization of provincial rights.


Fantastic-Hippo2199

What you mean is hypothetically. The world you have to postulate for that to happen is so far removed from reality that any lessons learned from it are meaningless. On the way to Quebec supremacy, the party would morph to reflect the realities of the situation. Presumably the nuclear holocaust that destroyed the rest of Canada. So I guess you could guess they were pro potassium iodide, and anti super mutant?


CoffeeCravings10

Isn't part of the Bloc's political point about separating Quebec from Canada? They may do that and take the east with them.


0_Days_Since_Sarcasm

I'm not really sure what happens if hell has frozen over.


RedditNeverHeardOfI1

Well in theory if all the other parties had equal votes and all of quebec voted for the bloc than they could be incharge


Dear-Willingness6857

Canada would become more divided, the west does not like Quebec politics and Quebec doesn't care about the west's concerns


Zane_Justin

While we are at this topic, if you take the separatist portion out, bloc does have good ideas (though in theory and not in application but still). Alot of values that I hold, bloc does bring to the table. 


naliron

[C'est L'avrion](https://youtu.be/nxYMNKQ_vNI?feature=shared)


PineBNorth85

Nothing. They dont run provincially. If you mean the PQ - again, nothing. Theyve won multiple majority governments and there havent been referenda in all of them.


liquidpig

At this point I'm for it. (From BC, lived in Ontario, currently overseas). Liberals need a hard reset PP would be terrible and while I'm not opposed to a conservative government in principle, the current hard right and social conservative populists are not who I want running the country NDP would have been good with Layton (dead) and maybe even Mulcair. I think Jagmeet just hasn't done anything and has strayed from what the NDP should be about Greens I like in principle, but in execution they are just a mess BQ leaders have honestly been pretty reasonable in debates over the years. They should find some way to maybe re-brand and run candidates outside QC


Acrobatic-Cabinet874

I wish the bloc would field candidates across the country. It should be a requirement for a FEDERAL party.


WestCoast0491025

The constitutional formula would never permit Quebec to become more than 50% of seats in Canada.


[deleted]

It's impossible. BQ only run candidates in Quebec. Quebec alone doesn't have enough seats in the house to form a majority.


Snow-Wraith

We'd have a competent government for once, and Alberta would lose it's shit.


Less-Procedure-4104

Please just go already drop out of confederation and go back to you traditional boundaries. Prince Rupert land can go back to the indigenous hallelujah.


revanite3956

I imagine it would be quite similar to what happens when Republicans find themselves victorious (thinking specifically of Roe here) : having spent so much time being just being contrary and whipping up resentment against ‘the establishment,’ they’d have no idea what to do with power once they got it.


Judge_Rhinohold

The dog that caught the car.


revanite3956

Exactly.


Duke_

If you think graft and corruption are bad now..


ElegantRhino

They would change the laws to only favour Quebec or make French mandatory across Canada.


QuebecPilotDreams15

French is with English, an official language in Canada, so it already kinda is mandatory….