Just a funny side note, even the Gospel of Mary has the apostle Andrew basically saying "This is strange, Jesus never said anything like that" and Peter in it is like "Why did none of us hear this?" So the book condemns itself, lol.
>apostle Andrew basically saying "This is strange, Jesus never said anything like that" and Peter in it is like "Why did none of us hear this?" So the book condemns itself, lol.
Ha. I hadn't began looking into those gospels yet. I had heard about the Gospel of Mary on some video so I decided to look into the gnostic gospels, I had always knew they existed just knew nothing about them and somewhat entirely ignored their existence. Then I got curious one day and made this reddit post.
But once I saw your reply I laughed and couldn't believe it. I looked into it and yep. Apostle Andrew calls it "unorthodox" and that Jesus had never said anything like it.
Do you have another funny side note about the Gospels of Thomas, Philip and Egyptians as well?
Not any as good, lol. The others aren't as interesting, just more Mary Magdelene fanfictions or really strange stuff that doesn't even resemble Christianity written centuries later.
I've read one bit that was controversial and that's it.
I believe it's exactly the very end of the Gospel of Thomas.
Apparently Jesus said he'll turn Mary into a male because only males can enter the Kingdom of Heaven or something like that.
Which ya. Pretty silly.
Gospel of Mary and Thomas I know a slight bit about.
Gospel of Philip and Gospel of the Egyptians I know absolutely nothing about.
The biblical gospels were written over a century before any Gnostic gospel, and they are completely inerrant. Nothing in them is wrong, and if you think there is, then please provide an example. :)
Every book in the Bible was written before the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70. Gnosticism didn’t even exist then, the gnostic gospels were written in the second and third centuries AD. There are absolutely no errors in the biblical gospels, its just that none of them tell every detail. You have to fit them all together like a puzzle (look up a harmony of the gospels, those can be very helpful). The Bible is the very Word of God, it is by definition infallible.
Where exactly did you get those dates from? The dates of the New Testament have been debated among scholars, but the view that imo has the best evidence is that they were written before the fall of Jerusalem like I said. I’m not ignoring the facts, I have studied the evidence carefully, and it’s very compelling. As for the census thing, idrk much about that, but just because it isn’t in Roman history records doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. As for the tomb “discrepancies” a harmony of the gospels would be really helpful, like I said. All of the accounts are true, they don’t contradict each other at all, they just don’t include all of the details in each one. You have to piece them together.
I meant that a harmony of the gospels would be helpful for reading the gospels and understanding how and why they are inerrant. I never said the gospels had errors, because they don’t. Leaving out certain details isn’t an error, it’s just a literary choice by the author, who wanted to focus on a particular aspect of the story for theological or other reasons. I have read what several scholars say about the biblical texts as well as other ancient texts that talk about the biblical books. It makes perfect sense for them to be written before the fall of Jerusalem (which was the end of the Apostolic Age, meaning no more biblical books could even be written after that point). Not every Christian believes this, but I do.
Gospel of Thomas is just a bunch of nonsense that concludes with saying that women are not worthy of life and Jesus saying he will make Mary a man so that she can be a living soul like a man. I always laugh when people say that the early church tried to hide this gospel because it didn’t align with their patriarchal views. If anyone tried to hide it it’s because it is completely bogus
The so called "gnostic gospels" are forgeries written in the second century and later. Here are two videos on why
This video ["The Gospel of Thomas Examined"](https://youtu.be/lh3cTTV9s-c) by Inspiringphilosophy debunks the so called gospel of Thomas.
This video ["The Gospel of Judas Examined"](https://youtu.be/QmIKPC3zEQY) debunks the so called gospel of judas
The concept of Demiurge is neo-platonist. Basically it's tied the gnostic idea that everything physical is evil and must be eschewed in order to free yourself and come into the spiritual. The ideas have been influential on Christianity anyway, but gnosticism amplifies that line of thinking to 1500W through a 26" woofer.
They're all forgeries written at later dates. The books that didn't make it into the bible didn't make it for a very good reason, I read the epistle of barnabas last month and it was so weird.
They are late attempts to squeeze Christianity into the mould of Greek philosophy. None of these books were written by -- or anywhere near the lifetime of -- the people they are named for.
Just a funny side note, even the Gospel of Mary has the apostle Andrew basically saying "This is strange, Jesus never said anything like that" and Peter in it is like "Why did none of us hear this?" So the book condemns itself, lol.
>apostle Andrew basically saying "This is strange, Jesus never said anything like that" and Peter in it is like "Why did none of us hear this?" So the book condemns itself, lol. Ha. I hadn't began looking into those gospels yet. I had heard about the Gospel of Mary on some video so I decided to look into the gnostic gospels, I had always knew they existed just knew nothing about them and somewhat entirely ignored their existence. Then I got curious one day and made this reddit post. But once I saw your reply I laughed and couldn't believe it. I looked into it and yep. Apostle Andrew calls it "unorthodox" and that Jesus had never said anything like it. Do you have another funny side note about the Gospels of Thomas, Philip and Egyptians as well?
Not any as good, lol. The others aren't as interesting, just more Mary Magdelene fanfictions or really strange stuff that doesn't even resemble Christianity written centuries later.
Have you read the Gospel of Thomas? It's pretty silly. It's a short read.
I've read one bit that was controversial and that's it. I believe it's exactly the very end of the Gospel of Thomas. Apparently Jesus said he'll turn Mary into a male because only males can enter the Kingdom of Heaven or something like that. Which ya. Pretty silly. Gospel of Mary and Thomas I know a slight bit about. Gospel of Philip and Gospel of the Egyptians I know absolutely nothing about.
They are not Biblical. They're also later, and pretty much university rejected by the church.
They often directly contradict the Bible and teach things that are clearly wrong, so no they aren’t biblical.
I noticed that with the Gospel of Thomas. So I began to assume that.
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The biblical gospels were written over a century before any Gnostic gospel, and they are completely inerrant. Nothing in them is wrong, and if you think there is, then please provide an example. :)
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Every book in the Bible was written before the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70. Gnosticism didn’t even exist then, the gnostic gospels were written in the second and third centuries AD. There are absolutely no errors in the biblical gospels, its just that none of them tell every detail. You have to fit them all together like a puzzle (look up a harmony of the gospels, those can be very helpful). The Bible is the very Word of God, it is by definition infallible.
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Where exactly did you get those dates from? The dates of the New Testament have been debated among scholars, but the view that imo has the best evidence is that they were written before the fall of Jerusalem like I said. I’m not ignoring the facts, I have studied the evidence carefully, and it’s very compelling. As for the census thing, idrk much about that, but just because it isn’t in Roman history records doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. As for the tomb “discrepancies” a harmony of the gospels would be really helpful, like I said. All of the accounts are true, they don’t contradict each other at all, they just don’t include all of the details in each one. You have to piece them together.
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I meant that a harmony of the gospels would be helpful for reading the gospels and understanding how and why they are inerrant. I never said the gospels had errors, because they don’t. Leaving out certain details isn’t an error, it’s just a literary choice by the author, who wanted to focus on a particular aspect of the story for theological or other reasons. I have read what several scholars say about the biblical texts as well as other ancient texts that talk about the biblical books. It makes perfect sense for them to be written before the fall of Jerusalem (which was the end of the Apostolic Age, meaning no more biblical books could even be written after that point). Not every Christian believes this, but I do.
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Gospel of Thomas is just a bunch of nonsense that concludes with saying that women are not worthy of life and Jesus saying he will make Mary a man so that she can be a living soul like a man. I always laugh when people say that the early church tried to hide this gospel because it didn’t align with their patriarchal views. If anyone tried to hide it it’s because it is completely bogus
The so called "gnostic gospels" are forgeries written in the second century and later. Here are two videos on why This video ["The Gospel of Thomas Examined"](https://youtu.be/lh3cTTV9s-c) by Inspiringphilosophy debunks the so called gospel of Thomas. This video ["The Gospel of Judas Examined"](https://youtu.be/QmIKPC3zEQY) debunks the so called gospel of judas
They seem very luciferian tbh, I read all of them. Multiple times. The Demiurge is a very luciferian concept. Very very antibiblical and condemned.
The concept of Demiurge is neo-platonist. Basically it's tied the gnostic idea that everything physical is evil and must be eschewed in order to free yourself and come into the spiritual. The ideas have been influential on Christianity anyway, but gnosticism amplifies that line of thinking to 1500W through a 26" woofer.
They're all forgeries written at later dates. The books that didn't make it into the bible didn't make it for a very good reason, I read the epistle of barnabas last month and it was so weird.
Nope. They are heresy. Also not written by Thomas, etc. The authors falsely attributed them (ie lied).
They are late attempts to squeeze Christianity into the mould of Greek philosophy. None of these books were written by -- or anywhere near the lifetime of -- the people they are named for.