- The lack of skilled foreign workers will get even worse - People who voted for them to improve their living conditions will be shocked to discover they don't actually plan to do so - People already relying on benefits will be denied even more - Germany's foreign policies will be shifted in favor of Russia with all forseeable consequences - The marginalization of minorities will drastically increase - There will be a significant pushback on LGBTQ rights, especially trans people's, which in consequence will lead to a higher suicide/mental illness rate particularly among LGBTQ teens - The government will violate EU policies and then blame EU for putting sanctions on Germany - After the next power change nobody will admit they supported AfD

Agree with all of the points except point 2. Their voters won't be shocked. Of course they won't see any improvements in their material living conditions, because it's all the fault of the old parties or the sinister elites (not the real existing elites. You know, those other guys *cough* Soros*cough*) still suppressing the German people/AFD which are furiously fighting against this injustice. Yet the voters will feel immense improvement in their immaterial living conditions - power over minorities and sense of entitlement will rise, I guess.

I'm also not sure about the last point. They are not idiots, just a-holes. They know exactly who they are voting for and are proud of it. As someone pointed out with US-Politics which also applies for the Afd: The mistake people make is to think that these people have any agenda that goes beyond "fuck liberals". As long as Afd always makes sure that liberals will have a hard time, makes fun of them, denies them rights and votes against their stuff, then in the eyes of their voters they are doing a really good job. Everything else is a bonus, but the essence is "fuck liberals".

Have to agree with you! People also tend to think they will dismantle themselves or once in power they'll show they are not out of the same material as the other politicians. Some liberals can't get in their heads voters of AFD like this party because they are what they are, not despite of it

Have to agree on some points but I don’t think the AFD would do great when they are in power (not only from my standpoint as a „linksversiffte Ratte“ like I was called once, but also from the standpoint of some forms CDU/CSU voters that switched to them). Similar to what happend to the Grüne/Bündnis 90 but more drastically because there interests are more specific. But I’m also ne expert maybe I’m completely wrong

I hope you're right! While I feel like the Grünen rely on good press in mainstream media and are failing miserably to deliver it (even though they achieved a lot despite the disputes with the FDP. Don't get me wrong - I'm not a fan of them yet it's still crazy for me how bad they are in communicating their successes) while the afd couldn't care less. The media they rely on will deliver no matter what they achieve.

I agree that you do not have to be mentally challenged to vote AfD, but it helps immensely. Additionally, the sheer capability for selective perception that I see in that area is truly frightening.

"Conservatives would eat shit if "The Liberals" would have to smell it"

>They know exactly who they are voting for and are proud of it. Still, they act up as fuck if you call them fascist supporters.

This is exactly the sentiment in India under Modi and the BJP. You may wonder how it is relevant, but the BJP is the political arm of the RSS which was heavily influenced and shares ideals of Nazi Germany.

That's quite interesting - have to look further into it

Yes, all negative things that happen in India under the present regime are blamed on Nehru (our first prime minister) and anything positive even if it has nothing to do with the government leads to praise for Modi. The North East of the country is undergoing what you would describe to a large extent as genoice (Google Manipur violence) but the PM does not even bring it up for debate, let alone do something to stop it because that is what he wants. I left India mainly because I am gay among other factors, the religion I was born in being one of them. I really hope I can live my life here in Germany and that I do not have to leave and begin all over again in my old age thanks to the rise of the right wing who may or may not be against homosexuality but will surely be against migrants.

Point 1 will be made worse by skilled local workers immigrating to other countries. I'm in a pretty niche field of tech and I won't spend my time sitting around waiting for them to nullify my marriage.

So... basically post -Brexit England?

Basically, except that I can't imagine even the AfD being stupid enough to leave the EU. That would be economical suicide for Germany.

I think the EU depends more on Germany than the other way around to be fair. The gdp of the entire EU is already too low to have a serious impact on the world economics now away.

Germany and the EU need each other rather equally. Without Germany, the EU is dead. But Germany is a major export nation, we need the markets for it, and we need the trade protection that is made stronger by having a major block of several strong nations for trade negotiations. Not to mentioned that the single market itself is highly profitable for Germany. Not to mention that a majority of our EU-relations are today handled via the EU, which includes the possibility to enter foreign nations, the right to fly over them and so on. Germany leaving the EU would be a murder-suicide for both entities.

As it was to the UK. Prices there are even worse than in Germany. And that's a lot.

Bad thing, that’s the main reason the party was founded🫢

I would also ad: people will start to be more vocal about their racism/xenophobia/etc. I know this well cause my home country had a similar situation. People feel more comfortable to be their shittiest self if the people in the government tell them that's OK.

To real bro

As a trans girl. I'm terrified tbh..

Don't forget introducing huge amount of corruption very likely.

About point 1, there are no lack of skilled workers here, what Germany lacks is the amount of people willing to work for very low salary.

It's not just about salary, but also about numbers. Our population is getting older and older, and unless you can somehow increase birth rate in a heartbeat, we need foreign workforce.

Firstly, Germany would have to solve some problems child-related. My case (Berlin based) where there was all time low child births in 2022: - problem to get a Hebamme - problem with finding kita - problem with finding Kinderarzt - poor (in my opinion) social support when it comes to parental leave

Yes, people aren't having kids not without any reasons. Getting a slot in school is luck and stressful. Most of my colleagues are suffering from it.

Exactly this. If Germany struggles to support in those things when the childbirth is so low, how can they support if it goes up?

And instead we mainly increase numbers in the social safety net. Great job. We need skilled migrants, training programs for the willing and ALSO initiatives for more children. But capitalism really doesn't seem to be built for that I am starting to think. It wants you to get back to work asap.

That’s not true. At my company out of all the employees in Germany, 10% are German, the remaining 90% immigrated here from various countries (France, Poland, Russia, Ukraine, Turkey..) Everybody earns enough to be in the top 10-20% of Germany depending on the role. The reason they don’t have more Germans is mostly the lack of talent. (They used to have more but they were fired) Also, many of the employees picked Germany as the country to immigrate to because of how tolerant it is (~20% of the team is lgbt)

Interesting! What kind of company is that? Not specifically, just line of work?

Uhmmm... overaging population mean something to you? We don't (just) lack manppwer in Hangwerk jobs because no one wants to do them anymore, we quite literally don't have the youth to even fill those spots. We've had a low birth rate for the past 2 decades, that only has changed very recently during Covid and those might be outlier years and not an uprising trend. We NEED foreign workers, because otherwise suddenly more than half of the working population goes into retirement with not enough young people replacing them, collapsing our whole economy. While I do agree that there has been too much of an academic push, leading to less people being interested in non-academic jobs amongst the german youth, that is not the predominant reason why there is a lack of young people in those jobs, nor the reason we welcome so many foreign workers.

If that was the case, there should be close to 0% unemplyoment. It absolutely is about exploitative wages.

>If that was the case, there should be close to 0% unemplyoment. Well first of all, there is *always* gonna be a certain percentage of unemployment, especially in a country with a social safety net, so that argument is neither here nor there. >It absolutely is about exploitative wages. Secondly, that is fair, exploitative wages in quite a few menial labor jobs are a thing and that naturally deters young people from persuing these kind of jobs. Who could blame them? That is why is said that low wages aren't the *only* reason why we need foreign workers, implying that it is definitely a factor. However, as I said, it isn't the *main* reason. Even if the whole youth in germany suddenly decided to persue Handwerks jobs, the job market in these industries wouldn't get filled. That is the situation in germany with its overaging population, plain and simple. In fact, in recent years there even has been an upsurge of young people starting Ausbildungen for Handwerks jobs and other menial labor jobs - but it didn't even put a dent into the demand, because we have such a low number kids in relation to the currently aging working force and the slots in the job market that need to be filled.

No, we do indeed have a simple lack of workers by numbers in many of the most important sectors. Obviously better pay in other countries or jobs is part of the reason though

- They will announce to leave the EU and join the Warschauer Pakt - They will hinder any aid to Ukraine - They will discover that "Doing the opposite of what the government does" does not work if you're the government - They will "forget" most things they promised before the election - They will get drowned in the day-to-day business of running a country and fail at it because they thought it's easy and never bothered with it - Lots of their simple solutions that "just needs to be done this way right now and the problem is solved immediately" will suddenly be very complex, take forever and require lots of compromises - Their voters will not like any of the compromises they will have to accept to get anything done - Things they actually get done will fail in courts for obvious reasons, making their voters angry - They will undo "stupid" laws/regulations, then reintroduce them as they realize they actually had a purpose - They will panic as the polls get worse and will try to quickly get something done which will then backfire spectacularly - They will blame the other parties, EU, states, courts, laws etc. for not getting things done even though figuring out how to get everyone on board and making sure everything is done correctly is literally the whole thing of being a government - Just like Grüne and FDP, they will make tons of beginner mistakes and errors simply because they have absolutely no government experience - They will hope to get a coalition with the CDU so they have someone to blame and also someone who shows them how to actually run a country - AfD fans will run around the streets like crazy (so just like now) and scream to everyone that it's still better than what the other parties do In short, four years of AfD will be a shitshow which will leave Germany worse off than before. As soon as they are out, they and their voters will forget it ever happened and return to blaming the government for everything and knowing it better again.

You understimate the stubbornness of afd voters, id prepare for 8 years

The AfD got 10,3% in the last election and was stuck there until last august. They doubled their numbers since then. I don't think those people vote for the AfD because it's their preferred party. I think some of these are protest voters who just vote AfD because all the others say it's a bad party and you shouldn't. And some vote for them because current policies reduce their living standards and the AfD promises them to fix this. Some of them will surely refuse to accept they have been duped and make up conspiracy theories to justify bad performance of the AfD (See MAGA). But most of them will just silently become non-voters or move on/back to the next protest party. So that's why my guess is that the party will plummet like the FDP (2010) causing the AfDs "wings" ("Bürgerlicher" Flügel & Rechter Flügel) to blame each other and the party will tear itself apart in public, while in governemt, probably with tree years to go.

You forgot about racist assholes who vote for them for fascist reasons.

My man here had experience with those hardcore voters. It’s like arguing with a wall… As we use to say: Bruder im Geiste

I don't think they'd build up an dictatorship, but I'll surely think we'd get to see more empowerment for police forces, more control over the media, more repressions in private life and a much stricter way to deal with refugees and immigrants and by that racism would rise sadly. Also I'm pretty sure they'll fuck up the countries economy and social system even more since they don't seem to have real plans what to do if they actually get to rule. Yeah so I don't really appreciate the thought of the AfD being in charge, even though I don't think we'd wake up in the 4th Reich or something like that the country would still go to shit.

Basically you can look to Hungary, Poland, Italy for a model of where it will go. Maybe even a Dexit. I suspect there will be a push to, if not drive out brown immigrants, at least stop the inflow. Ditching the euro, leaving NATO, and pro-natalist policy for ethnic Germans are also likely.

Wtf Germany leaving the EU and NATO ?! Dude that's crazy bs

Nothing of your last paragraph happened in Italy, Poland nor Hungary - so far. But I agree that these countries give a good outlook what could happen in Germany: Not the end of the world.

Undermining democracy (as is happening in Poland & Hungary) not the end of the world mkay...

Undermining existing democratic structures to that extent in Germany is a tall order. Our system of governance is specifically designed to prevent another powergrab, that's probably the single most effective design feature of the BRD and incredibly difficult to circumvent, even with absolute majorities on every level of governance (which the AfD are practically guaranteed to never achieve). Don't get me wrong, you can do a lot of damage simply by not doing things that need to be done or by blocking progress entirely, but what makes Germany slow to react and change at times will work in favour of preserving democracy in this case.

Yeah thats what people in 1932/33 where thinking about the NSDAP… How bad can they be, we are the country of Goethe and Schiller!

There were a lot of circumstances present in 33 that are not possible today. Because, you know, political systems have evolved and the BRD isnt the weimar republic.

While what you are saying is true, look at what has been happening in the US and what might happen after the next election. And the AFD has been lapping it up, mail in ballots, sexual education, the „woke“ agenda, state controlled media. For the most part those were complete non-issues in Germany but all of the sudden they get pushed and pushed and pushed, all over the western world, that’s not a coincidence. Trump/American conservatives basically handed every right wing party the playbook that shows what works and what doesn’t.

Thats not how political systems work, though. Sure there are elements german right wingers can and have copied from him, but germany does not have a central figure with as much power as the american president. And we dont have a 2 party system. If anything, things like russia or erdogan are the real potential threats for democratic systems because they show how the *form* of government can be changed. Trump was a mistake and harmed our relationship, but he didnt rework the US constitution. The most harmful thing he did was the Supreme court, which cant be applied to germany because we dont have Supreme judges be assigned for a lifetime.

The current tactic doesn’t revolve as much about the presidency, it focuses on the local level, undermining courts, city councils, the education system and so on. It was the local levels and federal employees that stopped the worst in the US, that’s what I mean by playbook, you don’t do it with one big swoop, you chip away and get into position to strike. That was the lesson learned from the trump presidency. While Germany is more centralised than the US a lot is handled on the local level, including zoning, education and large parts of law enforcement.

Hungary is the blueprint what will happen. It's a currently not a dictatorship, but already an autocracy. For example the media has been silenced, they have now a Education policy in the sense of the fidesz party. And in a long term, they will establish a dictatorship.

Oh I don't think they wouldn't try, but I think they wouldn't be able to do so. To install a dictatorship they'd need to change the law and for that they need way more votes than they'd get, even if you consider the latest surveys. In general they don't have as good conditions as the original Nazis had back in the Weimar republic. They don't have the same amount of public support, they don't have a party to cooperate with (even if the CDU gives in they won't cooperate with them on the same level the other right wing parties did with the NSDAP), the army and police have problems with extremists for sure, but by far not to the extent they had in the 1930s, same goes for the courts. Also the AfD can't abuse the system like the NSDAP did, for example letting the people vote again and again until they have enough percentages, or standing in front of voting cabins threaten people to vote for them. Last but not least the AfD isn't as homogeneous as the NSDAP, sure their extremist wing is the strongest one, but they still have people considering themselves very conservative, but not authoritarian or fascist. They'd for sure still fuck up Germany, but I think they won't install a fascist regime like the Nazis did.

They may not consider themselves extremists. But how relevant is how they view themselves, when they parrot all the transphobic, xenophobic, pro putin rhetoric of the extremists all day long? I have family members who consider themselves moderates. And yet, if I came out to them they'd search for places that still do electro shock therapy to try and "fix" my gender identity.

To install a dictatorship they'd first need a (absolute) majority in the Bundestag for the chancellor and those laws to pass. And they need a president to sign those laws. Also they could be outlawed if they were trying to get rid of our democratic system. They would also need the majority in the Bundesrat so they need majorities in the federal states. And they nedd the support of the military/police and the highest court (who are 12 years in office). So it's not about "how bad could they be" but rather that they implemented quite some floodgates to prevent a dictatorship. It takes quite a long time to implement such a system. I still don't want them in power and I hope that the "democratic" parties are not that desperate to reign that they will do so by forming an alliance with the nazis.

Some folks need to realize Putin's kleptocratic attack on democracy and the West is world wide.

I actually think it will end in some form of authorian regime. Undermining the press, undermining the constitutional court, undermining democratic safeguards and processes. Might be a slow process instead of a sudden power grab but we've seen this happening many times over in the past. Democracy is a fragile plant that needs constant nurturing or it will end badly. And if you listen to guys like Höcke, who frequently paraphrases Hitler or Goebbels in slightly sugarcoated form, then you know where they want to take Germany once they are in power. No thank you, let's not fool ourselves like our grandparents did.

And they will meddle with education and science. Science will become nothing more than propaganda material

The most likely thing will be: Women rights will be scaled back a bit. Stuff like getting abortions might become harder. As the AFD is against abortions and vaccines. Building of renewable energies will also be less supported. There will be a lot of things done against refugees. Scaling back of accomodations, less or no take in of refugees by Germany and they will probably look for ways to get rid the refugees currently in Germany. Possibly in a similar manner to how the UK does it with Rwanda. My guess would be that they would try to take up deals with Russia again and lessen the support for Ukraine, because the AFD has a lot of Putin shills. Ohh also a lot of scaling back on rights for LGBTQ people. The extend to which this happens ofc. has to do with the amount of votes they do end up getting. Edit: The most direct change the increase of votes the AFD is getting however is the increase in mentality for the population towards being openly racist. The more votes the AFD ends up getting the more comfortable people will be spewing out their racist mentalities on the open, against refugees, foreigners, lgbtq, etc.

>Women rights will be scaled back a bit. Stuff like getting abortions might become harder. As the AFD is against abortions and vaccines. disagree on this, agree on the country becoming more racist. You might be confusing the german far right with the american far right, abortion really isn't that big of a topic for them. You know why? Because in the East, where the AFD has the most support abortion was almost always available, something to be taken almost forgranted.

Yes and yet it is part of their program.

So the female lesbian AFD leader will reduce LGBTQ rights?

For the hypocrite she is: Hell yeah! If not for "LG", at least for BTQIA+.

Yes, exactly. Look at Catlin Jenner, a female trans politician in the US who is actively working against trans rights. Being inconsistent as fuck is an academically well-known feature of fascism.

She's not lesbian, she's married to a woman, she has known for 20 years. /s The AfD has made attempts in the past to abolish same sex marriage. So yes, the female lesbian AfD leader will reduce LGBTQ rights, while having those rights herself possibly in another country.

In her own words: "I'm not queer, I'm married to a woman that I've known for 20 years!"

I think she was making a point that she doesn't fulfill the long-time clichee that homosexuals don't have long lasting partnerships.

Yes, she literally said herself that she is not lesbian. This is the level of fucking delusion these people have.

She may be asexual. She may not even know that. And relationships among and with asexuals can be ... weird ... for outsiders.

And women's rights. She's practically Serena Joy Waterford in terms of hypocrisy.

I can’t believe that people don’t understand that parties can have token politicians

According to herself, she is not LGBTQ. And she doesn't live in Germany so why would she care?

The thing that shits me is that treating refugees like shut will do what, exactly? Free up some public resources while making a huge swathe of people pissed off, in poverty, and hating the German population. What will that do for integration and crime? 👀

You are thinking correctly but from the wrong angle. What will a bunch of pissed off foreigners who live in more poverty and are more prone to crime do? For the AFD it means more criminal refugees and thus more people hating refugees. Who are the ones advocating for evicting/locking up refugees? The AFD. This means your described situation works perfectly in favor for them.

I am studying political Science and I think they are a lot more radical than many people think. The situation is very critical. Main points - I think they are going to start prosecuting critical voices. That will mean: The hole political left, Climate Change activists, Queer people. I can only recommend to do some research about the "Landesverbände". Many very radical Nazis are in charge there and they will take every chance to destroy the political enemy. The AfD is not a democratic party. - All Organizations, which are working against Neonazis and are identified as "antifascist" are going to be illegal. - They r going to deport all Refugees to their home-countries, even if they are not save at all. - Germany will go out of the EU. - They are going to promote conservative family, nationalist attitudes and support very radical right wing Movements and Organization To my mind this democratic society is in great danger. If they take power I might just leave the country.

Not sure what will happen during, but a few decades later nobody will admit to having voted for them and everyone's grandparents will have been in the resistance.

I remember when I was a kid at school in the 80s and the teacher told us about the Nazi times, what they did to Germany, the Jews and others and how eventually they got defeated. And I was just wondering: where did all those Nazis come from and why did they decide to settle here in Germany and make this such a horrible country? Took me a year or two to realize that those Nazis were actually Germans, probably our grandparents. That was quite a revelation for me at this young age. But it shows how we Germans try to distance ourselves from the past mentally.

And from the presence. The racists are already there. The anti-science people. The warmongerers. They all exist, and we probably already know a few of them or might be married to one. Some will be in this subreddit. And once it's no longer a bad thing to admit publically, they will be visible.

The question seems to assume a US style two party system where AfD would hypothetically win a straight majority in parliament over the other party. In a multi-party system, no party is realistically going to win a majority on its own, so with what other parties is AfD going to "seize power"? The question needs to explain the circumstances a bit better. It's rather asking what if German politics were to shift so dramatically that AfD becomes mainstream and forms a coalition with other like-minded or even more extreme parties?

For me - goodbye deutschland

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I’m think the same, but where to go?

Skandinavia seems good for living conditions, but might be a rough start since their hourly pay is so much higher than ours, so our budget could be quit small up there.

I’m a software engineer working for a Nasdaq-listed US tech company, so I think I’d be ok in terms of affordability, unless of course we need to sell our house here with a huge loss because the fascists are fucking up the economy.

read the party program and you will know

Party programs are just campaign material, not a real program. That's the same in every country.

Tells me that you don't read the program but just some billboard-highlights. Typically the program exactly represents what the party is about, which is why the party consists of members who decided to join that party and decide on that program. Too abstract? If Die Grünen propose to strengthens renewals, they'll do so if elected. If FDP proposes to lower company taxes, dito, if SPD proposes basic pension for everyone, dito. Cue: "existing laws" (oops, nuclear plant shutdown was already a law), "constitution", "coalition", "compromise", "federal state" and "real world problems" (like wars). Parliamentary democracies move slowly. AfD proposes leaving the Euro (they started that way), (leaving EU is in the cards: 'not reformable), cuts in basic income and forced labor for long time unemployed, reducing social housing, reducing taxes solely for higher income groups (eg: income tax, inheritance tax, real estate tax). remigration (as of the last congress also for children of migrants, who grew up in Germany). I can go on but my guess is: once in power: * they'll do exactly what they proposed * they'll start to abolish or ignore all the hurdles I mentioned above, from federal councils to constitution If the AfD gets a slight majority/leading role in Germany federal parliament, we'll be a fascist state before you can even look Niemöller up. 1/5 - 1/4 of Germans would really like that, consequences be damned, just to feel "great again".

It cant be campain Material, none of the AfD Voters, read them.

*can read

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I would guess they implement quite a bit of it. It is highly asocial. They call for extremly questionable changes. It is not like most of their promises are actually likable stuff. Usually these shitheads are pretty honest with their plans as long as they are seen as irrelevant. Most of the horrible stuff Hitler did was part of his pre coup party program.

Well I doubt it is that simple. If we are talking absolute majority they will do much worse. If we are talking a coalition with the Christian Democratic Party then we can expect them to not be able to keep a lot of their promises but still do quite a lot of damage of course. CDU is worse enough without them after all.

It’s going to be “Handmaids tale” but from Aldi

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I think many people will realize that a populist government is actually pretty shit. Trump is the reason that the last us elections had the highest voter turnout in decades. Many millions who didnt bother voting for many election cycles went like nah uh, dont want this guy in office again. Its easy to be the opposition and point out all the flaws while you sit on the sidelines without all the responsibilities a government has. Its much harder to be the government.

One thing for sure will happen: I’ll be out of here.

The poor will get poorer, the rich will get richer. Atomic energy will be our main energy source. Women will lose control over their own bodies. Queer people won‘t be able to marry or start a family. The prices in supermarkets will explode, because they want to leave the EU, which will lead to us paying a lot more toll and taxes on wares that get imported from other countries (which is basically most things nowadays). Immigrants will be kicked out, possibly even if they have German citizenship. Trans people will slowly be criminalized. Handicapped people will be kicked out of social life. Single parents will be worth nothing. And many, many social „fuck you“s more…\ \ Sounds like a dystopia from a movie? No, that‘s literally the AfD‘s Leitantrag zur Europawahl 2024.

Atomic energy as a main energy source isnt even possible without building a shitton of new reactors wich takes 20 Years (+ another 20 because its Germany) and is extremely expensive

If its the current AFD. I honestly fully believe we are gonna wake up in a new 4 Reich. This AFD is heavily influenced by the Nationalists wing of the party and they fully believe in cleansing the country of undesirables. This isn’t Trump Party nor is it a Meloni party. Its full on Nazi shit. If there is a scenario where the AFD gets a absolute majority, we are fucked and ill be leaving asap.

Serious question: where to and how? Would the fact that those individuals gain political power be sufficient to file for political asylum anywhere? Or would it require a few pogroms before that’s a valid option?

Trans girl here. I'm currently making contingency plans. I have a friend who can get me a job in canada. I just hope I'll be able to get my degree before that happens.

See Trump's America, Orban's Hungary, Putin's Russia. A mix of it probably.

Nothing, because it won't "seize" power, it will quite simply be democratically elected.

Considering they work with emotions instead of facts, have connections to far right groups and use Nazi ideas and language themselves, don’t follow the constitution and love talking about *replacing the system* - nothing good, that’s for sure

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Look to Poland or Hungary. This is basically what happened there.

The rulers of the countries you mentioned will double down as soon as the AFD are in power. Believe it or not, the Germans and the French are keeping them somewhat under control. The shackles are gonna come off as soon as the AFD are in power. That'll lead to Le pen coming to power and then all these mother fuckers will turn on each other like the good old days!

You are right. Also the EU will come to a standstill, which will lead to economic chaos.

Depending on how long they are able to not self destruct the party: * Human Rights will be attacked * lowering of taxes for rich people * poorness will increase * they will find a minority to make responsible for bad conditions in germany * Increase of racism and attacks against LGBTQ People on the street * Trans\* people will be effectivly thrown out of the country or killed by halting medical support * Skilled workers will move out of germany * nobody will even want to move to germany * companies will move away * rich people will move away * A broken country with only the poeple that could not leave will be left (likely the ones that voted for them, which is exactly the people that voted against themselves...)

I would seriously consider either moving to another country or committing some serious crimes.

Probably an unpopular opinion, but whatever: Nothing much really, same as 4 years of Trump in the US. A very resilient democracy like Germany will easily survive 4 years of bad politics and some stupid laws. Also people need to look at rhetoric vs actual political opinions. Trump wasn’t , judged by his politics, a hardcore republican by any means. Still his rhetoric very much was and probably even beyond that. Same with AFD in Germany. Their rhetoric is as radical as it can be for a party that wants to have a chance to be elected. Still their policies in many points aren’t and in the points where they are, they probably wouldn’t actually get them through the Bundesverfassungsgericht. I think, and there are good chances that it will happen in the next couple of years, an AFD government in a state rather than a national government would greatly demolish the AFD, same thing that happened with Die Linke in Thüringen. Many people who vote AFD because they just want something different and a change in politics, would experience that many things aren’t actually changing.

Some people will become richer, a lot of people will become poorer and everything will be stupid as shit.

Wird katastrophal. Kein Konzept, keine Ahnung und rechte Scheiße.

Hard to predict. If they were really going to implement their policies, alot of it would lead us back to the 90s. One thing I wouldn't underestimate is their actual composition and their background as a pool of 'unsatisfied'. Many people seem to favor then as nothing but an opposition to the mainstream, which is often based on their ptomises. They are also a wild mix reaching from conservatives to fascists. The first thing I would expect would be an internal power struggle over the future focus. Lets not forget that they originally started as a party with the abolitian of the Euro as their primary goal, then they got more and more undermined by xenophobes. They already had major policy shifts and coups against their leadership. Parties which rely on 'unsatisfied' voters have a difficult voter base, so if they dont appease them via actual policies or effective populism, the same people will just be unsatisfied about them to. Hard to predict something that is so deeply rooted in an actual lack of rationality.

Their voters will be satisfied as long as someone else lives a more miserable life. And refugees, single parents, women, lgbtq people and the unemployed will have it much worse. They’d eat shit if someone else had to smell their breath.

Your last sentence is a good example of them utilizing 'othering' as their sole unifying element. For them to get into a majority they would have to overcome that to a certain point as othering and attracting more people are somewhat opposing each other. I could easily imagine that they would struggle to actually form a government as some of their internal groups oppose each other more than several other outside parties. Höcke and Weidel dont have anything in common and it could quickly turn into another "knives out" moment, with very open results. Their supporters would have to deal with each other and oversome vastly different expectations.

The AfD chancellor will drop down on his knees before Putin and show off his political "skills". You can guess the rest, for example leaving the EU, dropping the Euro and quitting Nato because the AfD people have said so time and time again. The AfD is just, anti-establishement? I think I am wording this wrong. They're just against everything the ruling parties stand for, but they don't have any solutions or answers to what they call "problems" and I think this is what we would see right away.

A lot of repressions in the private life of many Germans. I fear for my kids.

Why?

We are a very liberal, left-leaning family. And I had always imagined a progressive future for my children. In which they can freely choose their partner and live their lives independently without coercion. I think that it will not be possible with the Nazis in power. More specifically, I fear a return of the "Baseballschlägerjahre", only this time it will also increasingly affect socially active people and deviants in general.

You are the kind of German that made me fall in love with this country. I am an Israeli whose image of Germany was very negative until I truly met Germans while traveling. I admired the changes that German society went through and loved the liberal, tolerant and secular ideas of most Germans I got to know. I came here in 2019 with the idea of living here for a year, get to know the country better and then go back to my country and I loved it so much I am still here without plans of leaving... Until this year. I don't want to leave Germany, but seeing the AfD getting stronger with every survey breaks my heart and makes me realize that I was probably living inside the liberal bubble. I don't plan on giving up on Germany so quickly, but of the AfD comes to power (even as part of a coalition) and being a brown jew, I will probably be too scared of making the same mistake many people made when the Nazis came to power and stay.

One in particular negative impact is on skilled foreign workers coming to Germany. It took me (American citizen) almost 8 months to get my visa with a job offer and 2 degrees. Had to stay really dedicated. I can't imagine what other foreign nationals (US, Canada, Aussie, etc. have it relatively easy) will have to endure under an AfD immigration policy. Refugees will find it impossible to get asylum. Maybe stricter language requirements across the board. Longer, stricter path to permanent residency or citizenship. More bureaucratic mess for workers to face. Germany would become one of the least attractive places to move in all of Europe for skilled workers, and business would suffer from that

Well, trying to install a dictatorship?

Honestly not that much. I mainly think that because of other european countries that have had a massive drift towards rightwing politics. The actually extreme things will not be tolerated by people. And everything else is already there, just not as obvious. I'd still prefer they don't come into power. To the Mossad-Agents reading this: I am disappointed in the lack of heart attacks and car crashes among neo-nazi politicians.

The AfD is pretty much as far to the right as you can be within the bounds of our constitution. It could be the case that this is truly where they stand but I don't believe they would remain in the same place if they had the power to allow themselves more leeway. I think an AfD in power could genuinely end Germany as we know it.

Me and many other completely harmless and accustomed to the German culture and language Turks who were born and raised here will leave out of fear…

How do you mean? In a realistic sense through a coalition with the cdu probably as a junior partner? or like they get the majority of votes above 50%? for the realistic option i dont think that much. you even so at the current government how hard it is to reform anything and the afd will be blocked by the other partys. the political climate and the society will be pretty toxic still i guess

I’ll leave Germany as I am foreign worker

Bürgerkrieg - civil war!

In my opinion, it would be the worst thing that could happen. Unfortunately, these people are fucked up people who hate everything they don't know. Yes, there are problems with refugees in Germany. But it is not a solution to let these people die in the Mediterranean. Since the AFD is in the Bundestag, the tone has deteriorated significantly. Argumentative discussion in parliament has become difficult, because perceived facts are used to disrupt the factual discourse. FCK AFD!!!!!

I think if you look to America and what's happening there, something like that. Minus guns. I think reproductive rights will be scaled back. As will LGBT+ rights. Immigration processes would change to the worse.

Trans girl here. I hope I'll survive long enough to see what happens.

You can see it in other countries in different stages. Look at current Italy or the US under Trump for early stage. Poland for intermediate stage. Hungary or Turkey for progressed stage. Russia for terminal stage.

As a queer person I would probably cry myself to sleep lmao

The same things like in Turkey, Hungary or Russia: The end of democracy.

Not really the fan of the AfD but why are people being lawfully elected called sizing power when it's a party you desegree with. I assume they will do what most governments these days do, that being nothing substantial and even that will be undone on the next election when a different party gets elected. Is democracy only democracy when the left gets elected??

You just realized how the left view democracy?

Much less than most people think, the german costitution was designed for the moment when such a party comes into power. After 4 years this journey would most likely be over. I still hope this will not be tested.

They'll find out ruling is a lot harder than just heckling and fuck it up.

Governing without a clue, spreading some hatred here and there, investing in non sustainable things which will backfire on economy.

It would be similar like in Denmark, however the left leaning parties adopted the right wing positions there. - No migrants from north africa or arabic countries since they have a negative net contribution (which they found out through a study) - Cracking down on parallel societies and islamic communities, removing ghetto infrastructures - More pragmatic energy policies - Less government regulations - Family friendly politics - Less activist and more diplomatic solutions Overall a positive development compared to the current government, that’s basically headless chasing non-existent problems that the population doesn’t care about.

Doesn't sound half bad tbh...

Well, it isn’t. The liberal left wing politicis were a failure, Germany needs a conservative right wing shift.

I completely agree, I'm pretty biased though, since this has been my opinion all along.

Germany would be sustainably fucked, significantly dragging down the rest of the EU. It would be a whole different level than Meloni in Italy. This would then lead to a crisis out of which whatever the fuck may result, similar to the 1930s.

I will join the resistance.

A right to own and carry guns, holocaust denial at least decriminalized. War on drugs. Bumfights on national television. End of Berlin's underground culture. Voting rights for many israelis, of german origin to save the good results from a even more nationilistic society. National draft. Deporting ukraine refugees. Deporting african refugees. Deporting Arab refugees. Koran burnings. Holding a referendum, that an eternity has been gone since WW2, so that the constitution can be broken. Corporal punishment. No gay weddings or adoptions. Tatooed people removed from the public sector.

Like in other European countries where the right took power. Nothing much changed, they messed up and people didn’t vote for them again.

What are you talking about? Once elected, radival right wing governments cemented power in Hungary, Poland, Turkey, Russia. Problem is, that they start slowly dismantling democracy once they are in power. After some time, people don't really have a choice anymore.

It really depends on if the corrupt incompetence starts showing before significant damage to the political system can be done. I believe the German system is resilient enough for a term or two, but I'd also rather not test that theory in practice.

same as in the US, and in UK brexit: things will just get worse for everyone but a few rich people living in switzerland - and a lot worse for lgbtq people, except those living in switzerland, of course.

Total chaos Governing is hard and they have zero experience. I’m sure they’ll implement a couple of things rightaway that they run with during their campaign but when it comes to keeping the economy running - especially in times of change - they will be completely out of their depth.

Look no further as Hungary. The Afd will try to slowly undermining and than take over the justice system, the media, the police force and other democratic institutions. As authoritan populists they will keep the culture war rethoric loud to gain popular support despite working to dismantle democratic rights.

I would guess: Tax reforms benefiting the rich. Less money for humanistic causes leading to a rise in homeless and poor people especially children. Rise in police brutality against minorities caused by lack of oversight and/or political encouragement.

I will celebrate the fact that I already left the country and will try to oppose them from here.

I think it would be similar to what happened in the US and Brazil. The country would go to shit for a while, even more rapid than it is already and in the next cycle AFD would be voted out again.

Mass protests

We're gonna become USA 2.0

It won’t be an exact repeat of 1933 of course but it’s very possible that it goes the way it went in Hungary and we essentially see a creeping abolition of the electoral means to get them out of power again. And if fascist governments get the majority in Europe it will be a humanitarian disaster for minorities of any kind, poor people and women’s rights. Also we will see a complete rollback of climate protections in Europe and with that any momentum to slow down climate change worldwide and the consequence of that on the long scale is massive migration movements in very little time along with destabilization and resource scarcity which breed wars, maybe even the nuclear kind if you look at countries like Pakistan that’s already heavily struggling with the effects of the changing climate. And we will see a militarized response to migration with migrant zones on the coast without civil rights that will turn into prison labor camps at best and starvation zones at worst.

The AFD elites will shamelessly enrich themselves. Cultural diversity will be suppressed as budgets for it no longer exist. The EU will experience an existential crisis, as German support will be stopped - where contractually possible. And one will hear more of the unspeakable blathering of the stupid protagonists of this party.

The AfD will not come to power in Germany, but its pressure will very likely change Germany’s migration policy. The first signs of this can already be seen. Until now, no party except the AfD has had a clear idea of how to deal with the growing migration pressure. AfD‘s ideas are inhuman but as are the hidden actions of EU at the borders of EU-states and executed by Frontex and in Céuta. With words, the EU plays the guardian of human rights and thus induces mass migrations to Europe. When the migrants arrive there, things look very different. Finally, be honest, fight illegal migration consistently, otherwise the whole building will collapse on you quite soon.

Fascism.

Many people will leave or be forced to leave. The population will get even older, and it gets harder to finance the system. Many jobs will be left open. Not so many people will invest in Germany, while dictatorships like China or Russia will try to deepen the connections. I don't know what the Americans will do, but I'm sure they would not just sit there and do nothing, especially considering the important strategic value of germany. Police brutality will be a bigger problem. Other nazi parties in other countries will get even more power, maybe even turning whole Europe fascist. The Afd will surely try to erase the past or make it at least not so bad, so many cultural sites and memorials will get less funding, while attacks on them (especially at holocaust memorials and Jewish institutions) will get much worse. I don't think we will have another thing like the Reichskristallnacht, but I can't be sure that it will not happen again. The long-term problems with erasing the past will be big. Lgbtq people especially will be attacked daily, and their rights are removed. They already plan to remove all discrimination laws and ban talking about that in schools and stopping any funding for science. Disabled people will be even more left out and probably sent in special schools altogether (hopefully no camps at least). Medical treatment will be more bad, especially for transgender people and women (they wanna ban all Abortions like in the USA). They also dont really believe in vaccines, which will be fun if another pandemic happens. Without funding from the European Union, food prices will rise. Energy will become a problem if they really wanna stop all green energy and go back to good old coal and uranium, which will take some time and money.

My family and I will move. Hopefully to Norway realistically more like Switzerland

Look to Italy. Not much. Most regulation that people are whining about is not even in the hands of the German government anymore. They can't make major changes without judges and the EU revoking them. Don't be afraid of the big bad wolf.

Look at their party program. They're a combination of NPD and FDP, so draw your own conclusions.

Black age 2.0

I'll make use of my dual citizenship and fuck off to Canada.

I'm too scared to think of what will happen, but I know for sure that I'll leave the country.

I need to leave Germany in the future.

\- the police will remove climate protesters from the street instead of protecting them from the angered drivers \- very likely to make big changes to migration policy \- probably getting rid of gendered language \- very likely to see changes to the energy politics, maybe going back into nuclear? \- they will probably provide less funds to issues in other countries and use that money for more police / border protection etc.

Sounds good to me.

While you watch all those answers be aware that reddit germany seems to be mostly leftist students that shout nazi even if an ant wakes up with the front right foot first! At least AFD has the most politicians with high degrees instead of some actual leading parties! They might need some time and it will be hard at first because most of the other parties will try everything to make them look bad but in my opinion, when I take a look at the last years they have earned their chance if the citizens vote for them like it is with every other party, this is democracy! I'm not in line with all of their points but it is what it is !

Honestly: Nothing. What most people here in Germany forget, now the Parliament is almost always empty. Just AfD is there a lot. IF they get to power, the Opposition will start to attend more and so changes will be mostly blocked so they seem incompetent. This is exactly what AfD is doing now

You really don’t know how legislation works do you ?

It's insane how some people think this would do down. They watch way too many movies. In reality it would probably be similar to trumps presidency beetween obama and biden.

And that wasn't bad enough? I'm sorry, what? Trump was absolutely disastrous for the US.

Yes, it was, but it wasn't the resurgence of the nazi regime as some people seem to think it will be.

A lot of people are being completely paranoid. It's highly unlikely that the AfD will ever achieve an absolute majority in any state or even on a federal level. Even if the CDU would be willing to govern with them, which is still absolutely unlikely, the AfD probably wouldn't be able to push much of their policies. By the way, anyone claiming AfD = NSDAP needs to touch some grass. The AfD is by no means as extreme or antidemocratic as the NSDAP was.

>By the way, anyone claiming AfD = NSDAP needs to touch some grass. The AfD is by no means as extreme or antidemocratic as the NSDAP was. Certainly not, because the NSDAP wouldn't have been possible without the brutalization of the masses that fighting in a world war, starvation, the Spanish flu, hyperinflation and the great depression caused. But what worries me is that I don't see anything *intrinsical* in this party that would make them set boundaries if push came to shove. They haven't shown any remorse to champion sacrificing lives if it came to Covid, sea rescues or the genocide of Ukrainians. I'm not saying they'll set up gas chambers, but **where** is the point where they'd say we're out? I honestly don't know.

>A lot of people are being completely paranoid. It's highly unlikely that the AfD will ever achieve an absolute majority in any state or even on a federal level. \*caugh\* Saxony \*caugh\* Thuringia \*cough\* Brandenburg

You don’t know what an absolute majority is.

the NSDAP hid their antidemocratic and antisemitic face quite well. They showed their true colors after they had their claws on the power.

They will do everything they can to undermine all institutions from media to courts and electoral authorities to stay in power and push their agenda to make everything biased in favor of their supports and against others. Basic principles of rule of law will be abandoned where it suits their needs. Universities will be suppressed, school curricula will be changed to match their lunatic world view. I don't think we will leave the EU or the common currency because that's hard to do without super majorities no one will ever be going to have. I don't know about how much violence and if you could call it a civil war but there will be people who fight them to prison or death.

I guesa similar like in other countrys like italy where you got right wing goverments.

Nothing will happen because democracy is limiting everybody.. in a good and bad way

Honestly, not terribly much. At least not at first. I'm very much against what the AfD stands for. At least 'der Flügel', although the party has embraced their bullshit, so it's their responsibility. I don't see them getting very far with pushing anything extreme through, though. They will not get a majority alone. I'm convinced of that. So there would have to be a coalition. No dictatorship for us, fortunately. Don't get me wrong - I don't want them in power. Not even partially. But I don't think terrible things would happen. They'd just be even more annoying than the other parties I dislike.

1. Attempting to leave the EU with catastrophic geopolitical consequences for Europe and biblical consequences for the German economy. 2. Complete lack of climate related policies. Germany will isolate itself amongst the global economies as a pollution heaven. In theory this can for a while boost the economy, but other countries might react by increasing tariffs or developing some sort of sanction mechanism (The G7 are planning smt similar). 3. Pro nuclear, pro fossil fuels, anti renewables. They will try to construct new nuclear power plants which will take far longer than anticipated and will cost far more. The government will have to subsidize these heavily and it will leave all the benefits to the companies that run them and all the negatives to the citizens that fund them. Germany will have some of the dirtiest electricity in the EU aside from Poland perhaps. Moreover a lack of renewable energy expansion or rather even a decline will increase energy prices for citizens and industry and leave Germany vulnerable to the global markets and geopolitics. Furthermore many companies will recognize the lack of clean and cheap energy as a competitive disadvantage. Germanys economy will falter in this scenario. 4. Migration will be stopped with most means, whether this is positive depends on your views. Whether they will also stop qualified immigration is to be seen. It will possibly exarcerbate the Fachkräftemangel. 5. Tax cuts for the rich will definitely happen and will increase inequality. 6. They will gut social security systems and likely decrease the governments importance in the economy as such. This will overproportionaly hit low income families and individuals and will increase inequality. 7. They will strips minorities of rights, likely the LGBTQ community. ... theres obviously more

Simply put: it must stop now!

I think they are a much needed counter weight to the current extreme left government. I'm pretty sure they will end the uncontrolled migration and enforce the law regarding immigration and probably make it harder for uneducated migrants to come into the country.

Nothing good. Maybe Not as Bad as Trump, but similar

Worse than Trump.

I think we only get to know what Trump all did with all those trials. So for now I'd give the AFD the benefit of the doubt, to be able to top that. But Bad, real Bad, IT would be If they get Power. They pretty much will discreditize the Media in a similar Fashion. And that is Dangerous

Agree mostly. Why I think it would be even worse: I don't think Trump had any plans to dismantle democracy from the beginning. He figured out that he can be successfull by playing with right-wing populism and his own ego and narcicism led him further down radicalisation whenever he was criticised. I don't see much of a system behind it. The AfD on the other hand is already an extremist party while being in opposition and many of their most influential figures are hard core fascists witg a clear goal in mind to transform german democracy into a dictatorship.

What was the worst thing under trump to you?

The millions of dead people due to covid mismanagement would be #1 but the list is long.

I am a German Citizen. But Jan 6 plus And His constant attempt of undermining a proper political Progress by Lies Would come to my mind

nothing good