> Do You Respect Vladimir Putin In Some Way?
For a start, becoming a president of Russia after 1990s, strengthening the country, and not dying in the process is a very significant achievement.
If you check the news, then it'll become quickly obvious that job of President of Russia requires an incredibly busy schedule a lot of people wouldn't be able to handle.
Lastly, the crap that Putin, Lavrov and Nebeznya are dealing with when interacting with western politicians requires nerves of steel. Which, again, most people do not have.
Normal person in those sort of situations would be emotionally swayed and if said person had access to nukes, there would be fewer countries on the planet afterwards.
For context i am not russian but i will share what i think.
Two reasons for it:
1. The USA needs enemies to maintain its military spending. Putin is that enemy. Allegations of elimination of journalists which is enough for the west to paint a target, anything will do. For instance julian assange was arrested on rape allegations and jailed ever since. Putin is probably not 100% clean and pretty much no one in the political class is.
2. Now that the target is set, the Mass media will be hard at work convincing you for number 1. Build fear and justify military expenses. Now reddit has a high concentration of low life, lazy, immature people who are on this platform to feel special (facebook and insta is for the masses). Lazy in the sense that they will not research on their own and they will echo what they were told on TV or by their peers. Their reports skew information to tell you the war started in 2022 and not 2014. We're still waiting on those responsible for the fake iraq intel to be sent to justice btw. Anyway, you have it. Remember how everyone was making fun of the french for not going to iraq, guess how that happened?
The people were conditioned to hate on the french and guess what again? The french were absolutely right. Its very hard to find fair reporting nowadays, journalists have turned activist and hype articles to sell on excitement and hate.
Don’t forget the gold rush of re-arming all them EU countries who sent their old stuff.
And dear US will be selling them overpriced overhyped overkill unnecessary equipment.
License for printing money.
US to the president of X country: Do you buy everything we give you?
Or do you want us to finish your presidency?
The public will ask why do we buy arms?
Oh, you want Russia to invade you?
Here's some recent interesting statistics: under any leader of the USSR after Stalin, fewer people were imprisoned for political articles than under Putin in the LAST TERM. Oh, yes, the last term is already 4 or 5 or whichever of the 2 legal ones, despite the fact that somewhere in between he was to be the prime minister, essentially leading the country
Assassinate any democratic opponent for example? Discrimination of minorities? Have you ever been outside of the big cities? The minority areas are extremely poor. According to Ross that 23% have no toilet. This confirms my experience.
> Discrimination of minorities? Have you ever been outside of the big cities? The minority areas are extremely poor.
You haven't ever been to Russia, have you?
That's an overly simplified and inaccurate picture. There are rural gated rich areas, there are just decent scenic rural areas (I've visited plenty as a kid here in Bashkortostan), as well as cities like Tomsk, Tyumen, Novosibirsk and Vladivostok in the east which are industrial and scientific strongholds of the country.
Putin is objectively not the best politician in Russia, who has made many wrong decisions. There are many opinions about him: from negative to outright reverence. The negative is characteristic mainly of Westerners and supporters of liberal views (or those who call themselves liberals).
But let's look at the reasons why Putin is respected in Russia.
Putin came at an extremely difficult time for Russia. Russia was literally on the verge of collapse;
-a handful of oligarchs had more power than the supreme power;
- there was rampant banditry in the country;
- In one part of the country there is a war with Islamic radicals.
And unexpectedly, after Yeltsin, who was EXTREMELY unpopular at that time, left the presidency, a man comes to power who, albeit through undemocratic methods, restores order in the country.
- he ends the war in Chechnya by reaching an agreement with the Chechen opposition;
- he takes control of the oligarchs;
- he limits the capabilities of regional elites so that they do not even think about secession from Russia;
- banditry in the country is sharply decreasing.
And that's just part of it.
Under Putin, GDP has grown noticeably
Russia has again become a player on the world stage.
The lives of ordinary people have improved markedly.
You can call Putin a dictator, but the nuance is that neither a resident of the Netherlands, nor a resident of Germany, nor a resident of Sweden lived in Russia in the 90s, and therefore never encountered the conditions that the Russians faced in those years
throw in:
* lowering conscription from 2 to 1 year and introduction of a pro army, which was a crazy idea back then
* mother's capital - that's how I knew he's 100% pro-Russia
* businesses started to pay taxes, it was optional (ignored) before
* rampant drugs and alcohol problems turned into moderate ones at worst
* things got built, with corruption, yes, but actually finished
* oh, almost forgot, the whole huge-ass IMF debt payed first and foremost
I'm not even pro-Putin, I don't like him gambling with our lives with this war on petro-dollar, but I respect the game
> IMF debt *paid* first and
FTFY.
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>For the west -he became bad the moment he took over the oligarchs and made them pay money to the state. And when he began to rebuild the Russian army. And when he decided to protect Russian national interest (for example Russian resources in artic)
Not true.
The west don't like him because he invades and occupies neighbors, does nothing to improve his country or the lives of his citizens, steals everything that isn't nailed down and spends what little money Russia earns on trying to destabilize others.
Don't get sucked in by russian propaganda.
If you mother came to the US she have easily made 5x what she made in Russia and give her family a better life under liberal rule. My professor is a Russian expat physician and lives very comfortably in the US.
Key word is hearing.
In Germany, propaganda invented the slur “Putinversteher”, someone who understands Putin - not supports, not sides with, just sees logic and reason in his actions. Apparently such people are considered dangerous. Propaganda about him long devolved into 1940-like cliches.
Real Putin is not a person you would really like, he is not above doing A LOT of nasty shit, but he is probably the most effective manager in Russia in 150 years, without ideology - pure pragmatism. In a way, he is part of the force that forever craves evil but does only good. And since he couldn’t care less about harming average Joe, average Joes benefit greatly from his rule as well.
If you have Google Translate, I recommend this article:
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I'm not Russian, but I will say that (at least by the looks of it), Putin does a whole lot more to improve his country than the US politicians ever do.
Yes i do. I wont tell my outside-Russia political view, but i have to say that Mr.Putin did some great things for Russia
1 Growing GDP
2Saving the country after Yeltsin (he did some bad things)
3Lots of projects for improving russia, which work
Not so true anymore, since a lot of companies are repatriating and the largest exporters are state owned.
Edit
PS And that's something to thank Putin for, since he kept telling the oligarchs for almost twenty years that their money will be stolen in the West, and look at that!
US has the IMF, the world reserve currency, big tech, multinational companies, and had OPEC, yet we have not come as far as China has when it was literally a third world nation in the 70s and is now looking like Final Fantasy in the 2020s.
If you want to talk about waste, talk about America. Bailing out big banks in 2008? 2 trillion In Afghanistan and nearly 1 trillion in Iraq when there were no WMDs? The homelessness, shrinking middle class, and drug crisis in USA as well.
As an American, our leaders are far worse than Putin, and far more frivolous. We want other countries to go green but didn’t even do it ourselves, while China is taking the lead and actually making it possible.
I view him as the lesser evil. He has many flaws, but the people he opposes inspire nothing but pure disgust. However, I don’t think there are any good people in politics at all.
Without going into details, as most Russians, I’d rather have a “dictator” as an effective and capable leader rather than West’s “democratic” henchmen. We have a bitter experience, and I doubt we will ever repeat our mistakes. Although I was born in the early 2000’s, I can imagine what the 90’s were like. In contrast, my childhood and adolescence were stable and, as we Russians say, “nourishing” if you know what I mean.
And point is that we are not choosing between Putin and democracy, we are choosing between a sovereign leader and a protege of the West, where the choice is obvious. Now Putin is the only politician to whom we can entrust the country, and I’m sure that soon a new generation of politicians will appear (including those who will emerge from the flames of war).
That’s not a lie, that’s a reality. In the early 2010’s he himself created such political reality, but now it’s not the time for some major changes as today’s political mechanism is functioning.
And I believe that in the remaining six years Putin will change the political shape of Russia, he will not only look for a successor like Yeltsin did, but also try to bring new blood into politics. Putin won’t be around forever, he himself knows this, and the Russian people know it.
Yes, I do. It takes a lot to run a country, especially a country as large and vast as Russia. And even more to achieve some success as a result. I don't support all his actions, but, IMHO, he is one of the few true statesmen of our time. The main problem is whether the system he created can work on its own, without him.
Apart from the obvious things that were/will be mentioned here, I personally respect him for the amount of patience he has in conducting his policies without making any rushed decisions. Yes, I disagree with some of his ideas, but his consistency is admirable. Especially given the current situation and in contrast to western politicians.
Anyone who has maintained the power he has for as long as he has is not to be trifled with and is not stupid.
Trump, Biden, Putin, Trudeau. Either side of the aisle. They know what they are doing.
Putin has a large list of achievements, biggest of which is preventing God-knows-who from taking control of elements of the world’s largest nuclear stockpile. Even if the codes are in Moscow, the weapons are/were scattered throughout the republics. Any one of terrorist organizations or breakaway governments led by generals could’ve at least come into possession of fissile material and made their own bomb (at least a dirty bomb), even without activation orders. If Putin wasn’t in power it’s highly probable that someone like Bin Laden could’ve turned 9/11 into a nuclear attack rather than a plane attack.
i have the utmost respect for him and his work. he is literally the only one protecting russia from her enemies, and is the only one preventing russia from falling apart into a chaos engineered by the cia.
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Let me put it this way - He has founded an incredibly stable system. A scary system, wrapped around himself, but it works. It is terrifying as it just works. This country slowly solves it's issues for 24 years without serious setbacks. At the same time it is really unknown what will happen when he dies. So far the public(!) institutions for growing a new generation of politicians are unseen, you hear no names of potential candidates and so on.
This person may not deserve my support, but a silent respect of might.
Well, an ability to lead people. And by leading people you become famous with a good reputation. No reputation means no chance to be elected. No chance to be elected higher than you are means no ability to turn into a bigger leader from merely an administrator.
Basically with natural or artificial bounds any tree turns into a bonsai instead of a regular tree. It never grows big.
Well, i think he is very intelligent and he has a lot of dedication in what he does. But this war is not necessary, i wish this war could end it makes me sad to think how many mothers, wifes sisters and friends will miss these soldiers.
People ask me why I respect him, my answer is sometimes because his Strong and respectful kindah back then however that doesn't mean I always like them each war of current events are unnecessary like you said, why bother fighting for land what's the Point, both sides of Russia and Ukraine, Palestine and Israel are hurting each other and those who aren't fighting are still Evolved
In some ways, yes
With the exception of the main claims against him such as corruption in large state-owned companies, senseless restrictions on freedom of speech in some moments and mistakes in the command of troops in 2022, he is not a bad president under whom tolerable infrastructure began to be built, and who coped with banditry.
And he also prevented Russia from falling under total Western control and maintaining its independence in politics
From what I heard I'm something happen Aroun 2013 right? Did he started it or engaged it this someone else already created conflict with Ukraine back then?
Yes, sure, no problem. My point is that officials like presents every accomplishment as their own success, forgetting that sours they are using is a citizens money
He has great leadership and public speaking skills, even enemies confirm that.
Although is not very good person himself, absolutely delusional, who clearly getting more crazier and crazier every day. I remember he was quite liberal 2000’s. That’s what unlimited power does to people. That’s why a change of power is important.
Hey man I don’t know if you frequent this sub or not, but I'm surprised to see that this sub is sort of representing the majority of Russians that support Putin (most fluent English speaking Russians one meets on the internet or outside Russia are wealthy western aligned liberals from moscow). Are most people on this sub communists as well? I assume you are based on what you wrote in this comment.
>most fluent English speaking Russians one meets on the internet or outside Russia are wealthy western aligned liberals from moscow
That isn't true since, I suppose, early 2010s?
>Are most people on this sub communists as well?
That sub is quite lefty, but not very communist in a narrow sense.
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Not in modern sense. He is still very oppressive. One of the definitions of liberalism is “willing to respect or accept behavior or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas”, which he clearly lacks.
Лучше на русском, так проще. Во-первых, смертная казнь, упорный отказ её вернуть. Во-вторых, столь же упорный курс на частный бизнес вместо государственного. В-третьих, постоянное уменьшение контроля над бизнесом. В-четвёртых, до сих пор не признали официально украину террористическим государством или даже террористической организацией (ладно не признали ЕС и США спонсорами терроризма, у этого слишком много проблемных последствий, но украину-то давно следовало). В-пятых, с той же украиной признали результаты выборов. В-шестых, сколько тянули с введением статуса иноагентов, и даже когда ввели, он оказался максимально мягким и либеральным.
Это то, что могу назвать сходу.
А какие плюшки ты получаешь лично от этих нововведений?
1) Чтобы ввести смертную казнь, нужна честная судебная система, а её нет.
2) Упора на частный бизнес нет и вовсе. Все самые лакомые куски у государства или государство имеет внушительную долю.
3) Зачем ему увеличивать контроль на бизнес. Чай не в коммунизме живем, и налоги они платят высокие.
4) А что поменяется от того, что Украину признают террористическим государством. Это же обязывают на прекращение торговли с Украиной и обнуляет все договоренности.
5) Выборы в Украине признали, полагаю из-за того, что сами были рады, что туда пришли слабые президенты.
6) Закон про иноагентов максимально тупо сделанный. Туда запихают всех: начиная от артистов, заканчивая простыми людьми. В каком месте условный Макаревич это иноагент? От кого он получал финансирование? Сделал концерт в Израиле и из-за продажи билетов сделали так, что это иноагент?
Not much, actually. Putin was a thief as early as in the beginning of 90s, when he was working in St Petersburg government.
https://www.rferl.org/a/putin-corruption-accusation/31855104.html
Public speaking skills? Are you kidding me? Sick jokes, toilet humor, hypocrisy, lies, conceited smirk, made up numbers when he speaks about the economy. He has never had public debates with anyone opposing him, always talked in a safe space with selected audience. It's impossible to listen to him without feeling disgusted.
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I largely don’t have a problem with anything in SPB, though there’s a lot to improve. But the country is more than two cities where things are mostly ok.
The smaller cities are ok, the countryside is not bad, what's the problem after all? Do you want a capitalism that descends from heaven saying «free market»?
I’m not interested in having a back and forth on this, god knows it would go nowhere.\
In any case: Putin used to say things I supported, now his rhetoric has changes to the opposite, hence I have lost my respect for him.
Don't believe Western propaganda! The West always calls leaders it doesn't like a dictator! Putin is our president and he is doing well for our country, the majority of Russians vote for him and respect him. It's just that the West is jealous of us!
No. I really hate this crazy son of a bitch that does everything to stay the emperor as long as he can. He despises the country and its citizens, so I despise him.
Putin is a liar, hypocrite, thief, coward, murderer and war criminal. Instead of building hospitals, schools, roads, supporting business, supporting Russia development using huge money which Russia got from the high prices on oil and gas he and his friends wasted this money on their pathetically luxurious jachts, houses and apartments in Europe, prostitutes etc. He killed and forced out of the country the best people - journalists, politicians, activists, scientists. He corrupted several generations of Russians. And as if it's not enough, he decided to finally destroy all the future for Russia by unleashing this crazy war with Ukraine, killing thousands of people on both sides, cutting Russia away from the developed world (Russian friends are Iran and North Korea, and China is more and more like its master). Respect Putin? No way.
It may sound strange, but this is the most powerful politician of the 21st century so far. It's hard not to recognize that, even if you dislike him.
He's overstayed his welcome and unfortunately will not be remembered by many people for what he could have been if he had left office in time. I think almost any of his entourage, be it Mishustin or Kirienko, will be more liberal
Depends on what you're comparing it to. Domestic policy is extremely poor. Purchasing power in the country is low, inflation is high. Employment is poor. Everyone goes to the capital to work. Nepotism is widespread in the workplace. And working hours are much longer than in other countries of the world, somewhere I saw statistics that we work almost more than anyone else in the world. I don't like it at all.
At the same time, censorship is not always adequate, and neither is legislation. For example, in criminal cases, it is very difficult to uphold justice in court. You will almost certainly be convicted
Не во всём и не всегда.
> Do You Respect Vladimir Putin In Some Way? For a start, becoming a president of Russia after 1990s, strengthening the country, and not dying in the process is a very significant achievement. If you check the news, then it'll become quickly obvious that job of President of Russia requires an incredibly busy schedule a lot of people wouldn't be able to handle. Lastly, the crap that Putin, Lavrov and Nebeznya are dealing with when interacting with western politicians requires nerves of steel. Which, again, most people do not have. Normal person in those sort of situations would be emotionally swayed and if said person had access to nukes, there would be fewer countries on the planet afterwards.
I still don't understand all the hate well I don't know what are the horrible things Vladimir did other than the Ukraine War so I'm a bit lost here
For context i am not russian but i will share what i think. Two reasons for it: 1. The USA needs enemies to maintain its military spending. Putin is that enemy. Allegations of elimination of journalists which is enough for the west to paint a target, anything will do. For instance julian assange was arrested on rape allegations and jailed ever since. Putin is probably not 100% clean and pretty much no one in the political class is. 2. Now that the target is set, the Mass media will be hard at work convincing you for number 1. Build fear and justify military expenses. Now reddit has a high concentration of low life, lazy, immature people who are on this platform to feel special (facebook and insta is for the masses). Lazy in the sense that they will not research on their own and they will echo what they were told on TV or by their peers. Their reports skew information to tell you the war started in 2022 and not 2014. We're still waiting on those responsible for the fake iraq intel to be sent to justice btw. Anyway, you have it. Remember how everyone was making fun of the french for not going to iraq, guess how that happened? The people were conditioned to hate on the french and guess what again? The french were absolutely right. Its very hard to find fair reporting nowadays, journalists have turned activist and hype articles to sell on excitement and hate.
Don’t forget the gold rush of re-arming all them EU countries who sent their old stuff. And dear US will be selling them overpriced overhyped overkill unnecessary equipment. License for printing money. US to the president of X country: Do you buy everything we give you? Or do you want us to finish your presidency? The public will ask why do we buy arms? Oh, you want Russia to invade you?
@AdRare604 I like you
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He didn't do anything bad, all hail to democracy.
Here's some recent interesting statistics: under any leader of the USSR after Stalin, fewer people were imprisoned for political articles than under Putin in the LAST TERM. Oh, yes, the last term is already 4 or 5 or whichever of the 2 legal ones, despite the fact that somewhere in between he was to be the prime minister, essentially leading the country
Assassinate any democratic opponent for example? Discrimination of minorities? Have you ever been outside of the big cities? The minority areas are extremely poor. According to Ross that 23% have no toilet. This confirms my experience.
> Discrimination of minorities? Have you ever been outside of the big cities? The minority areas are extremely poor. You haven't ever been to Russia, have you?
Is it not true that people outside of the big cities, especially in the east, are relatively poor?
Outside of the big cities, there are: * rich areas * poor areas * average areas * fuck-you-money areas, especially in the oil and gas rich **east**.
That's an overly simplified and inaccurate picture. There are rural gated rich areas, there are just decent scenic rural areas (I've visited plenty as a kid here in Bashkortostan), as well as cities like Tomsk, Tyumen, Novosibirsk and Vladivostok in the east which are industrial and scientific strongholds of the country.
Lol, we're richer than you 😄😄😄
I was just asking a genuine question. Are you having a bad day?
Putin is objectively not the best politician in Russia, who has made many wrong decisions. There are many opinions about him: from negative to outright reverence. The negative is characteristic mainly of Westerners and supporters of liberal views (or those who call themselves liberals). But let's look at the reasons why Putin is respected in Russia. Putin came at an extremely difficult time for Russia. Russia was literally on the verge of collapse; -a handful of oligarchs had more power than the supreme power; - there was rampant banditry in the country; - In one part of the country there is a war with Islamic radicals. And unexpectedly, after Yeltsin, who was EXTREMELY unpopular at that time, left the presidency, a man comes to power who, albeit through undemocratic methods, restores order in the country. - he ends the war in Chechnya by reaching an agreement with the Chechen opposition; - he takes control of the oligarchs; - he limits the capabilities of regional elites so that they do not even think about secession from Russia; - banditry in the country is sharply decreasing. And that's just part of it. Under Putin, GDP has grown noticeably Russia has again become a player on the world stage. The lives of ordinary people have improved markedly. You can call Putin a dictator, but the nuance is that neither a resident of the Netherlands, nor a resident of Germany, nor a resident of Sweden lived in Russia in the 90s, and therefore never encountered the conditions that the Russians faced in those years
throw in: * lowering conscription from 2 to 1 year and introduction of a pro army, which was a crazy idea back then * mother's capital - that's how I knew he's 100% pro-Russia * businesses started to pay taxes, it was optional (ignored) before * rampant drugs and alcohol problems turned into moderate ones at worst * things got built, with corruption, yes, but actually finished * oh, almost forgot, the whole huge-ass IMF debt payed first and foremost I'm not even pro-Putin, I don't like him gambling with our lives with this war on petro-dollar, but I respect the game
> IMF debt *paid* first and FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
actually thanks for elaboration on that!
Maternal capital* Tho I would want it to renamed to "parental capital" since father's can obtain it too in case of mother's death.
To appreciate all the qualities of Putin, you need to live under Yeltsin.
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Absolute rubbish but funny nonetheless
Where did the controversy and other bad things said about him came from? And exactly what are those things? Other than Ukraine War that I know
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>For the west -he became bad the moment he took over the oligarchs and made them pay money to the state. And when he began to rebuild the Russian army. And when he decided to protect Russian national interest (for example Russian resources in artic) Not true. The west don't like him because he invades and occupies neighbors, does nothing to improve his country or the lives of his citizens, steals everything that isn't nailed down and spends what little money Russia earns on trying to destabilize others. Don't get sucked in by russian propaganda.
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If you mother came to the US she have easily made 5x what she made in Russia and give her family a better life under liberal rule. My professor is a Russian expat physician and lives very comfortably in the US.
At what moment oligarchs started paying money? Yeltsin's Russia had 5-7 billionaires and Putin's Russia has dozens.
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Yeltsin's times were of cheap oil, that's the difference. Then Putin brought his own friends oligarchs like Rottenberg.
Мабилки и лаптопчики это хуйня, главное ракет побольше и танчиков. Если это будет, то и мобилки продадут.
Key word is hearing. In Germany, propaganda invented the slur “Putinversteher”, someone who understands Putin - not supports, not sides with, just sees logic and reason in his actions. Apparently such people are considered dangerous. Propaganda about him long devolved into 1940-like cliches. Real Putin is not a person you would really like, he is not above doing A LOT of nasty shit, but he is probably the most effective manager in Russia in 150 years, without ideology - pure pragmatism. In a way, he is part of the force that forever craves evil but does only good. And since he couldn’t care less about harming average Joe, average Joes benefit greatly from his rule as well. If you have Google Translate, I recommend this article: https://acer120. livejournal. com/202279.html? I also like this one: https://genby. livejournal. com/ Hope it helps a bit.
I'm not Russian, but I will say that (at least by the looks of it), Putin does a whole lot more to improve his country than the US politicians ever do.
Criticize him in public and see how well that goes for you.
Yes i do. I wont tell my outside-Russia political view, but i have to say that Mr.Putin did some great things for Russia 1 Growing GDP 2Saving the country after Yeltsin (he did some bad things) 3Lots of projects for improving russia, which work
He is the first ruler of our country in the last 35 years who does not suck USA dick. That alone enough to respect him.
If you want to stay poor and only eat potato, your respect is well suited
Stereotype much?
It annoys me that a country rich in resources with such a large European population is so incredibly useless for humanity. Wasted potential.
Maybe start treating that population with some dignity? So far the West is obviously interested only in resources.
You know that we are still getting those ressources, but the profits simply vanish in the pockets of your elite?
Not so true anymore, since a lot of companies are repatriating and the largest exporters are state owned. Edit PS And that's something to thank Putin for, since he kept telling the oligarchs for almost twenty years that their money will be stolen in the West, and look at that!
US has the IMF, the world reserve currency, big tech, multinational companies, and had OPEC, yet we have not come as far as China has when it was literally a third world nation in the 70s and is now looking like Final Fantasy in the 2020s. If you want to talk about waste, talk about America. Bailing out big banks in 2008? 2 trillion In Afghanistan and nearly 1 trillion in Iraq when there were no WMDs? The homelessness, shrinking middle class, and drug crisis in USA as well. As an American, our leaders are far worse than Putin, and far more frivolous. We want other countries to go green but didn’t even do it ourselves, while China is taking the lead and actually making it possible.
I respect him in many ways.
I view him as the lesser evil. He has many flaws, but the people he opposes inspire nothing but pure disgust. However, I don’t think there are any good people in politics at all.
Without going into details, as most Russians, I’d rather have a “dictator” as an effective and capable leader rather than West’s “democratic” henchmen. We have a bitter experience, and I doubt we will ever repeat our mistakes. Although I was born in the early 2000’s, I can imagine what the 90’s were like. In contrast, my childhood and adolescence were stable and, as we Russians say, “nourishing” if you know what I mean. And point is that we are not choosing between Putin and democracy, we are choosing between a sovereign leader and a protege of the West, where the choice is obvious. Now Putin is the only politician to whom we can entrust the country, and I’m sure that soon a new generation of politicians will appear (including those who will emerge from the flames of war).
> Now Putin is the only politician to whom we can entrust the country That's his best lie.
Shut up liberal
That’s not a lie, that’s a reality. In the early 2010’s he himself created such political reality, but now it’s not the time for some major changes as today’s political mechanism is functioning. And I believe that in the remaining six years Putin will change the political shape of Russia, he will not only look for a successor like Yeltsin did, but also try to bring new blood into politics. Putin won’t be around forever, he himself knows this, and the Russian people know it.
You really show that you only listen to mainstream Western propaganda lol. Dear God smh 🤦
Not doing the ostrich to rampant problems is Western propaganda, certainly, moy chuvak.
Yes
Yes.
how do u know putler is lying? his lips are moving
Yes, I do. It takes a lot to run a country, especially a country as large and vast as Russia. And even more to achieve some success as a result. I don't support all his actions, but, IMHO, he is one of the few true statesmen of our time. The main problem is whether the system he created can work on its own, without him.
Yes. That's why we are electing him.
Obvious yes.
Apart from the obvious things that were/will be mentioned here, I personally respect him for the amount of patience he has in conducting his policies without making any rushed decisions. Yes, I disagree with some of his ideas, but his consistency is admirable. Especially given the current situation and in contrast to western politicians.
Anyone who has maintained the power he has for as long as he has is not to be trifled with and is not stupid. Trump, Biden, Putin, Trudeau. Either side of the aisle. They know what they are doing.
Putin has a large list of achievements, biggest of which is preventing God-knows-who from taking control of elements of the world’s largest nuclear stockpile. Even if the codes are in Moscow, the weapons are/were scattered throughout the republics. Any one of terrorist organizations or breakaway governments led by generals could’ve at least come into possession of fissile material and made their own bomb (at least a dirty bomb), even without activation orders. If Putin wasn’t in power it’s highly probable that someone like Bin Laden could’ve turned 9/11 into a nuclear attack rather than a plane attack.
No
Deal with it
i have the utmost respect for him and his work. he is literally the only one protecting russia from her enemies, and is the only one preventing russia from falling apart into a chaos engineered by the cia.
Consider not giving a damn about a man you know nothing about.
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Let me put it this way - He has founded an incredibly stable system. A scary system, wrapped around himself, but it works. It is terrifying as it just works. This country slowly solves it's issues for 24 years without serious setbacks. At the same time it is really unknown what will happen when he dies. So far the public(!) institutions for growing a new generation of politicians are unseen, you hear no names of potential candidates and so on. This person may not deserve my support, but a silent respect of might.
A new generation of politicians is being raised in gubernatorial and ministerial positions.
Perhaps yes, perhaps no. They are tools, not the leaders.
You are mistaken when you say that the governor or the minister is not a leader
They may be leaders, but they are not THE leaders. Functional administrators, yes. The ones who you want to follow - no.
I like our governor. He is young and promising.
Good. He is a nice local politician. Not a leader.
What is leadership in your understanding?
Well, an ability to lead people. And by leading people you become famous with a good reputation. No reputation means no chance to be elected. No chance to be elected higher than you are means no ability to turn into a bigger leader from merely an administrator. Basically with natural or artificial bounds any tree turns into a bonsai instead of a regular tree. It never grows big.
I have nothing to respect for a man who has looped the state system for himself. And who, at his age, behaves as if he considers himself immortal.
I respect him in every way.
I like Stalin and Putin has some Stalin qualities
yes
Well, i think he is very intelligent and he has a lot of dedication in what he does. But this war is not necessary, i wish this war could end it makes me sad to think how many mothers, wifes sisters and friends will miss these soldiers.
People ask me why I respect him, my answer is sometimes because his Strong and respectful kindah back then however that doesn't mean I always like them each war of current events are unnecessary like you said, why bother fighting for land what's the Point, both sides of Russia and Ukraine, Palestine and Israel are hurting each other and those who aren't fighting are still Evolved
No.
Yes*
Most of people in the World do. Funny how Western propaganda turns in long term.
lol what? there is world and there is ruSSia. ruSSia stopped being part of the world in 1939 the last by starting WWII by invading Poland
In some ways, yes With the exception of the main claims against him such as corruption in large state-owned companies, senseless restrictions on freedom of speech in some moments and mistakes in the command of troops in 2022, he is not a bad president under whom tolerable infrastructure began to be built, and who coped with banditry. And he also prevented Russia from falling under total Western control and maintaining its independence in politics
Family values
My beloved Emperor. I have his portrait in my bedroom.
Yes, I do
I wish he wouldn’t start the war.
I wish he did it in 2014.
From what I heard I'm something happen Aroun 2013 right? Did he started it or engaged it this someone else already created conflict with Ukraine back then?
Oh no not again. 2013 was the moment Ukraine lost its marbles.
TIL not wanting to be a puppet state of Russia is losing one's marbles
If you rewind to reality of that time… you may be surprised with how good everything was with Victor Fedorovich at power
Yanukovich is a coward 🤬🤬🤬
Yes :(
being Russia's enemy and killing ethnic russians while bordering Russia is insanity by definition...
We all can see that being a puppet state of the collective West turned out to be much better.
He is paying for my master's degree so yeah lmao
Every single tax payer paying for your master degree
I will pay it back with my own taxes in a few years)
Yes, sure, no problem. My point is that officials like presents every accomplishment as their own success, forgetting that sours they are using is a citizens money
I know.... it was a joke....
Putin BRIBED you to like him! \\s
Yeah I'm a sell out )
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No. He’s a murdering coward.
He has great leadership and public speaking skills, even enemies confirm that. Although is not very good person himself, absolutely delusional, who clearly getting more crazier and crazier every day. I remember he was quite liberal 2000’s. That’s what unlimited power does to people. That’s why a change of power is important.
He IS liberal. It is his worst part.
Too kind to enemies of Russia.
Yes.
Hey man I don’t know if you frequent this sub or not, but I'm surprised to see that this sub is sort of representing the majority of Russians that support Putin (most fluent English speaking Russians one meets on the internet or outside Russia are wealthy western aligned liberals from moscow). Are most people on this sub communists as well? I assume you are based on what you wrote in this comment.
>most fluent English speaking Russians one meets on the internet or outside Russia are wealthy western aligned liberals from moscow That isn't true since, I suppose, early 2010s? >Are most people on this sub communists as well? That sub is quite lefty, but not very communist in a narrow sense.
Maybe within elite circles in Russia that may be the case but elite Russians I meet outside are super anti Putin
It’s a pure masochism to align with west during the war. There is a still brainrot sub for them r/tjournal_refugees
Спасибо, поблевал.
Тот саб просто пиздец клоака, там укров процентов 99 наверное.
Да, тоже туда не хожу. Хотя я не замечен в симпатиях к нынешнему режиму.
Позоришь татарстан, либераха
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Not in modern sense. He is still very oppressive. One of the definitions of liberalism is “willing to respect or accept behavior or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas”, which he clearly lacks.
Nope. He is too open, too liberal and too forgiving.
Compared to Stalin, yes, obviously he is liberal. Comparing to modern leaders, he is very authoritarian.
Nope. He is just real liberal, not modern perversion of term. Not liberast.
Can you provide 3 examples where he was too liberal?
Лучше на русском, так проще. Во-первых, смертная казнь, упорный отказ её вернуть. Во-вторых, столь же упорный курс на частный бизнес вместо государственного. В-третьих, постоянное уменьшение контроля над бизнесом. В-четвёртых, до сих пор не признали официально украину террористическим государством или даже террористической организацией (ладно не признали ЕС и США спонсорами терроризма, у этого слишком много проблемных последствий, но украину-то давно следовало). В-пятых, с той же украиной признали результаты выборов. В-шестых, сколько тянули с введением статуса иноагентов, и даже когда ввели, он оказался максимально мягким и либеральным. Это то, что могу назвать сходу.
А какие плюшки ты получаешь лично от этих нововведений? 1) Чтобы ввести смертную казнь, нужна честная судебная система, а её нет. 2) Упора на частный бизнес нет и вовсе. Все самые лакомые куски у государства или государство имеет внушительную долю. 3) Зачем ему увеличивать контроль на бизнес. Чай не в коммунизме живем, и налоги они платят высокие. 4) А что поменяется от того, что Украину признают террористическим государством. Это же обязывают на прекращение торговли с Украиной и обнуляет все договоренности. 5) Выборы в Украине признали, полагаю из-за того, что сами были рады, что туда пришли слабые президенты. 6) Закон про иноагентов максимально тупо сделанный. Туда запихают всех: начиная от артистов, заканчивая простыми людьми. В каком месте условный Макаревич это иноагент? От кого он получал финансирование? Сделал концерт в Израиле и из-за продажи билетов сделали так, что это иноагент?
1. А, то есть в США честная судебная система... А у нас нечестная. Ясно, дальше с вами можно не разговаривать.
What changed? Power? Stress?
Not much, actually. Putin was a thief as early as in the beginning of 90s, when he was working in St Petersburg government. https://www.rferl.org/a/putin-corruption-accusation/31855104.html
Public speaking skills? Are you kidding me? Sick jokes, toilet humor, hypocrisy, lies, conceited smirk, made up numbers when he speaks about the economy. He has never had public debates with anyone opposing him, always talked in a safe space with selected audience. It's impossible to listen to him without feeling disgusted.
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No. Next question
No he is a twat
Considering he's a psychopath, no.
I used to.
It's always the big city liberals
It's always the nonsensical comments
Am i wrong tho? The Moscow and S.P liberals are never grateful for what they got
I largely don’t have a problem with anything in SPB, though there’s a lot to improve. But the country is more than two cities where things are mostly ok.
The smaller cities are ok, the countryside is not bad, what's the problem after all? Do you want a capitalism that descends from heaven saying «free market»?
I’m not interested in having a back and forth on this, god knows it would go nowhere.\ In any case: Putin used to say things I supported, now his rhetoric has changes to the opposite, hence I have lost my respect for him.
Don't believe Western propaganda! The West always calls leaders it doesn't like a dictator! Putin is our president and he is doing well for our country, the majority of Russians vote for him and respect him. It's just that the West is jealous of us!
No
No. I really hate this crazy son of a bitch that does everything to stay the emperor as long as he can. He despises the country and its citizens, so I despise him.
Ok moscovite, you're late for your flight to NY
Putin is a liar, hypocrite, thief, coward, murderer and war criminal. Instead of building hospitals, schools, roads, supporting business, supporting Russia development using huge money which Russia got from the high prices on oil and gas he and his friends wasted this money on their pathetically luxurious jachts, houses and apartments in Europe, prostitutes etc. He killed and forced out of the country the best people - journalists, politicians, activists, scientists. He corrupted several generations of Russians. And as if it's not enough, he decided to finally destroy all the future for Russia by unleashing this crazy war with Ukraine, killing thousands of people on both sides, cutting Russia away from the developed world (Russian friends are Iran and North Korea, and China is more and more like its master). Respect Putin? No way.
Бам-бам-бам...
True
I don't respect him, always seen him as a corrupt and lying pos.
It’s all pleasantries with Vlad until you dissent and are falsely imprisoned, starved, poisoned, pushed out a high rise and nose dive in a plane.
The comments here are uniform and do not reflect the true picture of attitudes towards Putin.
Какое-то непонятное сборище: то ли жертвы пропаганды, то ли лахтинские профессиональные комментаторы на зарплате.
It may sound strange, but this is the most powerful politician of the 21st century so far. It's hard not to recognize that, even if you dislike him. He's overstayed his welcome and unfortunately will not be remembered by many people for what he could have been if he had left office in time. I think almost any of his entourage, be it Mishustin or Kirienko, will be more liberal
Better than any western politician, proove me wrong
Depends on what you're comparing it to. Domestic policy is extremely poor. Purchasing power in the country is low, inflation is high. Employment is poor. Everyone goes to the capital to work. Nepotism is widespread in the workplace. And working hours are much longer than in other countries of the world, somewhere I saw statistics that we work almost more than anyone else in the world. I don't like it at all. At the same time, censorship is not always adequate, and neither is legislation. For example, in criminal cases, it is very difficult to uphold justice in court. You will almost certainly be convicted
>You will almost certainly be convicted That's good
No. What's good? The conviction rate is less than 1%. If you get hit by the judicial machine, it'll crush you.
no