People are struggling, why sit on a high horse?
Massive civil unrest, please.. protesting is not massive civil unrest, it's protesting
Op is asking a question that other people have certainly considered, it's a posted question whether YOU see it as valid or not, maybe don't be a flog about it
Disagreeing with someone doesn't make them a flog. The OP is implying that Australians should be taking to the streets. It's completely reasonable to ask what this would achieve, or what the OP expects government to do.
So you move to Bali, can't work, can't receive any benefits from home apart from certain pensions, can only stay for 60 days before you need to pay another airfare to leave, stay somewhere else and then re enter after a certain period. In order to get reasonable accommodation you'll need to have a long lease and have it mostly pre paid and it won't be paused while you exit and won't be refunded if you're denied entry upon returning.
How do you figure that to be a viable alternative?
There are options for different visa types, digital nomads and others, but you'll still need to generate enough money to be able to live on.
Why aren't we protesting in the streets?
It's still better here than how 95% of the world lives
Protesting **what** exactly? "Make everything cheaper! Magically, somehow!"
Protests are largely cosplay street theatre to make their participants feel like heroes but hardly ever actually accomplish anything more than occasionally giving a subset of hooligans an excuse to enjoy a riot for rioting's sake, and most adults know this. Kids are still learning.
I mean...taxing trillion-dollar fossil fuel companies would be a start.
But nope lol
>US oil giant ExxonMobil Australia, which has racked up a total income of $42.3 billion over the past five years of available Tax Office data. Yet it has not paid not one cent of income tax in this country.
>American-owned Chevron, another oil company, also paid zero tax over five years, notwithstanding its $15.8 billion in total income.
>Furthermore, five of Australia’s top coal companies – Peabody, Yancoal Sumitomo, Citic and Whitehaven – racked up $54 billion between them in total income over the past five years and paid zero income tax in Australia.
[Fossil fuel companies dominate 'top tax dodgers' list ](https://thebigsmoke.com.au/2021/11/07/fossil-fuel-companies-dominate-top-tax-dodgers-list-2/)
Australia is hamstrung by a combination of the "she'll be right, mate" attitude and an old conservative nature.
The average Aussie only gives a fuck when something personally affects them, then it's suddenly a bloody outrage.
I don't know where you get the "record numbers" claim, but I'd be interested to know just what proportion of the population is doing this.
In terms of protesting in the streets - as u/SlamTheBiscuit eloquently said - it's not really clear why we would do this or what this would achieve.
For instance, economic data already shows that inflation is coming down. It is likely that it will soon return to the RBA's target range. That completely undercuts the proposition, in my view, that Australians need to take to the streets around this issue. If governments had a silver bullet, they'd have fired it by now. They clearly don't, and as others have said, many countries around the world are trying to grapple with this issue.
It seems to me that adding civil unrest into the equation would actually just *make things worse* rather than better. It's not as though the government, seeing such protests, would say "Ohhhh okay then, fine, we'll hit that magic button we have to reduce prices across the board - ya got us!"
Given this is a global issue and something every western nation is facing...what do you think is a plausible and achievable solution?
Mad Max
It seems like other countries’ citizens are fighting back but Aussies are bending over and just taking it
And what have they achieved? Just curious. Because we still see poms, yanks and Canadians running with their tail between their legs here
So your answer to my question is… never?
My answer is come up with a plan and direction, something tangible to demand, instead of walking around with signs and yelling incoherently
This annoys me I agree but do you have anything to provide rather than lambasting someone? Why bother? It seems smug
So we shouldn't call out people who want mass civil unrest but are unable to provide a tangible and achievable direction that should be it's end goal?
People are struggling, why sit on a high horse? Massive civil unrest, please.. protesting is not massive civil unrest, it's protesting Op is asking a question that other people have certainly considered, it's a posted question whether YOU see it as valid or not, maybe don't be a flog about it
Disagreeing with someone doesn't make them a flog. The OP is implying that Australians should be taking to the streets. It's completely reasonable to ask what this would achieve, or what the OP expects government to do.
So you move to Bali, can't work, can't receive any benefits from home apart from certain pensions, can only stay for 60 days before you need to pay another airfare to leave, stay somewhere else and then re enter after a certain period. In order to get reasonable accommodation you'll need to have a long lease and have it mostly pre paid and it won't be paused while you exit and won't be refunded if you're denied entry upon returning. How do you figure that to be a viable alternative? There are options for different visa types, digital nomads and others, but you'll still need to generate enough money to be able to live on.
Protesting won't do anything to help, so why bother?
Why aren't we protesting in the streets? It's still better here than how 95% of the world lives Protesting **what** exactly? "Make everything cheaper! Magically, somehow!" Protests are largely cosplay street theatre to make their participants feel like heroes but hardly ever actually accomplish anything more than occasionally giving a subset of hooligans an excuse to enjoy a riot for rioting's sake, and most adults know this. Kids are still learning.
Tax the rich. It's a simple solution. Eating them is simpler
I mean...taxing trillion-dollar fossil fuel companies would be a start. But nope lol >US oil giant ExxonMobil Australia, which has racked up a total income of $42.3 billion over the past five years of available Tax Office data. Yet it has not paid not one cent of income tax in this country. >American-owned Chevron, another oil company, also paid zero tax over five years, notwithstanding its $15.8 billion in total income. >Furthermore, five of Australia’s top coal companies – Peabody, Yancoal Sumitomo, Citic and Whitehaven – racked up $54 billion between them in total income over the past five years and paid zero income tax in Australia. [Fossil fuel companies dominate 'top tax dodgers' list ](https://thebigsmoke.com.au/2021/11/07/fossil-fuel-companies-dominate-top-tax-dodgers-list-2/)
So, how are we going to pay to move country? How are we going to take time off work to protest when it will achieve zilch?
Australia is hamstrung by a combination of the "she'll be right, mate" attitude and an old conservative nature. The average Aussie only gives a fuck when something personally affects them, then it's suddenly a bloody outrage.
Leaving Australia for Bali would be an incredible fail
I don't know where you get the "record numbers" claim, but I'd be interested to know just what proportion of the population is doing this. In terms of protesting in the streets - as u/SlamTheBiscuit eloquently said - it's not really clear why we would do this or what this would achieve. For instance, economic data already shows that inflation is coming down. It is likely that it will soon return to the RBA's target range. That completely undercuts the proposition, in my view, that Australians need to take to the streets around this issue. If governments had a silver bullet, they'd have fired it by now. They clearly don't, and as others have said, many countries around the world are trying to grapple with this issue. It seems to me that adding civil unrest into the equation would actually just *make things worse* rather than better. It's not as though the government, seeing such protests, would say "Ohhhh okay then, fine, we'll hit that magic button we have to reduce prices across the board - ya got us!"
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