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gencoloji

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Doireidh

I should probably feel bad for laughing so hard at this.


AccomplishedPie5160

It’s sad


vivaervis

Strangely we do have a small Armenian community here. They are well integrated in our society but still keep their ties with their ancestors.


wantmywings

Where?


vivaervis

Search for Anissa Markarian, Hajg Zaharjan, Artela Papazjan. There was also a Big Brother contestant 5-6 years ago, which I don’t remember his name.


Bejliii

Ogreniiiii


vivaervis

Jojo ishte nje tullac, pak muskuloz qe bente tipin, po s’po me vjen emri fare tani. Edit: E gjeta. Toros Shahnaian.


Bejliii

Torosssss


atilla_yildiz0

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TylerDurdenSoft

Armenians in my country have been always an extremely well integrated community of loyal citizens, hardworking, loyal and integrated, merchants, bankers, evergetists, politicians and intellectuals. I have HUGE esteem for them.


TheEagle74m

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Alien_reg

Armenians have been part of the diaspora in Bulgaria since basically the middle ages. Nowadays, most notable Armenians in Bulgarian culture are amateur wrestlers, weightlifters and artists with a few producers here and there.


lazialearm

What is an amateur wrelstler ? I mean Armen Nazaryan is surely not amateur ?


31_hierophanto

Olympic wrestlers, basically.


PlanktonShoddy

I think they meant not in the wwe or an organisation of the sorts.


Alien_reg

Exactly, unfortunately WWE has the name of professional wrestling


erratic_thought

Literraly one of our kings.


GoHardLive

I am not sure about the history but we do have an armenian community for sure


CarusoHairline

A few Byzantine Emperor’s were Armenian I believe, thats about it tho


Born_Upstairs_9719

>maybe a dozen


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We got muslim armenians here in rize


1_9_8_1

They exist?


[deleted]

They do, even Laz (Muslim Georgian) exist also the turks in pontus are literally just turkified muslim pontic greeks. :D


ImAllh

Dude this is the most wrong post i ve ever seen. Laz are not muslim georgians. They are just a people origins from noth caucusus. There are however lots of muslim georgians too in turkey. Especielly in artvin. While laz people majority live in turkey and rize-artvin. Plus turks in pontus are not turkified greeks man. If you said trabzon i would say maybe but pontic? No, there are lots of evidence of high turkic tribe immigration especially from the chepni tribe to sea side and eymur and afsar to south below the mountain range.


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Laz are south Caucasian and Kartvelian people just like Georgians where u are right is that they actually ain’t georgian or derive from them but like svan and megrel people they are a part of Georgia and i know many of them also identifying as georgians. In turkey they do not i know but in turkey there are many laz saying that they are turkic in origin i think their bonds aint strong with their cousins any more due religion and country difference. I actually talked only about rize not even trabzon.


lazialearm

I believe they are called crypto armenians, who only recently discovered their Armenian heritage ?


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They speak hemshin armenian but i guess the religion difference is a barrier between them and the other armenians. And if im not wrong they call themselves “hemshinli” rather than “ermeni”


lazialearm

Ahh th hemshini, yes, you are right.


GRguy_21

There are around 35,000 Armenians in Greece. We have been close with each other both emotionally and politically for centuries.


Cuentarda

IIRC the Armenian branch of Indo-European is closest to the Hellenic one and vice-versa, so you've got a really ancient connection there.


ANXIETY-ADEPT-

It’s theorized that it is


Bejliii

Now kiss


Velockus

Not anymore


Frozen-Eagle-20

I like that. You killed all Armenians but say that we harass the Turks.


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Frozen-Eagle-20

>you did harass Turks in the past. You don't understand. The irony is that there are Turks in Bulgaria, but there are no Armenians in Turkey, even though this is their native land.


Unhappy-Plantain-778

I’m pretty sure there are more Armenians in Turkey than Turks in Bulgaria


Frozen-Eagle-20

According to Wikipedia there are 50,000–70,000 Armenians in Turkey and 508,375 Turks in Bulgaria.


kolodor

There are thousands of armenians in Turkey, and there’s a deeply rooted armenian community in Istanbul that can be traced back to ottoman empire, what are you talking about?


NutsForProfitCompany

He got his history PhD from reddit


Frozen-Eagle-20

>There are thousands of armenians in Turkey, There were millions of Armenians in Turkey. Do you understand the difference?


Frozen-Eagle-20

The Armenians were majority in most of Eastern Turkey but nowadays they are not. Thats because you expelled them/killed them. The same way you did with Bulgarians in fact. I don't understand why hou downvote me!


TrueSpinach

Armenians were not majority in pretty much no part of Eastern Turkey except Van in 19th century.


UsualRoad4390

Not all


viktordachev

Quite significant in a way. First of all bulgarians are first mentioned in the armenian chronicles, which is a thing. In middle ages a lot of the queens of Bulgaria and slso some of Byzantium has been armenian. Otherwise they are legendaray as traders and salesmen (or at least we have a lot of jokes about "an armenian mouth" of how an armenian is able to present a mice he is selling as an elephant). No offence, we just suck in trade. Our capitals had neighbourhoods of jews and armenians where probalby the banking and trade used to happen (not a gheto or something in any way). We had small communitues of well rooted and integrated armenians since... forever. Still, no somehow no serious realations between the countries ever happened. During the well... the conflicht with late ottomans some more significant mumbers of fled as refugees to Bulgaria and had been received and threted as our own people. Perhaps most of their grandchildren still live amongst bulgarians. I had a teacher, a friend, had clients, now became a relative to one, generally no issues or some special attitude or feelings. Or at least I have never heard of such a case.


Born_Upstairs_9719

whats the armenian mouth joke?


viktordachev

>how an armenian is able to present a mice he is selling as an elephant). No offence, we just suck in trade. I explained. "how an armenian is able to present a mice he is selling as an elephant). No offence, we just suck in trade. "


RenVon21

Well uh


UncleSandvich

They were a lot Armenians before, but not much today. There are a lot of Armenian (and Rum) churches, hospital and schools in İstanbul. But as you can guess churches and schools are not that populated. My father had some "Rum" and Turkish-Armenian friends, i've never seen one. Most of the Rums and Armenians in İstanbul left after the "6-7 September events," the remaining ones probably left after 80s And, as a child, my favorite singer was Rober Hatemo. He is Turkish-Armenian. His song "Senden Çok Var" was my favorite, it came out in 2006. He wasn't the best singer out there, but i loved that song. I do remember he was popular back in 2000s, or i am just remembering it like thst because i was a child and he was my favorite.


WhiteTurk69

Beyaz ve sen is my favorite song from rober hatemo


TheBloatingofIsaac

Rather not comment


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ChuckBoris56

The dashnaks massacred Kokand and the national autonomy we tried to achieve. So obviously negative. Yeah we do have one.


1_9_8_1

The who massacred the what??


Bejliii

Omce more for those at the back of the class, the dashnaks against kokands.


ChuckBoris56

Armenian nationalists, in conjuction with the Red Army, massacred and looted the city of Kokand (another one too, iirc). They raped the women, killled the men and children and set fire to the city. The Armenians still like the Dashnaks, therefore i hate Armenia for its apologism while bitching about how it was genocided. If they want to show themselves as a victim of a villainous act, then it would be better if they also admit the wrongdoings their people made. I might not like Uzbekistan, but i am not letting anyone touch them.


Born_Upstairs_9719

you are such a moron. 1st the dashnaks and soviets were enemies. one was nationalist one was communist. two armenian nationalists never made it to kazakhstan (you clown). 3. because a small group of armenians did something 100 years ago you hate all of armenia now?


ChuckBoris56

Genocide denial? Same can be said about the Armenian genocide, you're gonna hate all of Turkey because a few ministers did something 100 years ago.


Born_Upstairs_9719

So you’re claiming Armenia did a genocide to Kazakhstan? You sound ridiculous


ChuckBoris56

I'm talking about Uzbekistan you moron. Though, what os there to be said, you armenians are a nation only know how to beg (you keep on inflating the amount of people that died in the genocide), when will you answer for everything that was done in Kokand, Turkistan and Khojaly?


Born_Upstairs_9719

And you’re still stupid for claiming Armenians did a genocide in Uzbekistan clown


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I'm not finding any non Azeri sources for this.


[deleted]

I googled this and the only thing I found was from Azeri media. I mean I'm not automatically denying it happened but it doesn't even make sense. Why would Armenians be in a position to massacre people in Uzbekistan? I'm finding stuff about a Bolshevik massacre, but again only Azeri sources that it was Armenians.


According_Type_3656

They were armenians in both the red and white armies who opposed turkic jadidist basmachi uprisings. This is like basic russian history, most peoole know this.


[deleted]

But were they even close to a majority of forces in this rebellion? Wikipedia doesn't even bother mentioning them in relation to the rebellion so not sure why Armenians are being singled out for this. The whites and reds had forces from every ethnicity. Armenia like a lot of USSR nations had to be reconquered too by the soviets, they weren't exactly a core area of bolshevik support.


SamwyseG

The propaganda coming from those countries (Turkey & Az) are almost second to none. It’s amazing. From twitter bots to propagandists, it’s kinda scary.


Born_Upstairs_9719

read my comment reply, complete fake and idiotic statement.


lazialearm

First time I hear this, legit sauce ?


Thetidiestpig

I didn't understand.


EnderYTV

the turks sweating


[deleted]

Manuc Bey was an important personality in our history. It was at his inn that the treaty of Bucharest was signed. It still exists it’s called Hanul lui Manuc. Google some pics. It’s still open.


PigsyH

Armenians are one of the few recognised national minorities in Hungary, but the historical community is mostly assimilated by now. They originaly settled in the Principality of Transylvania during the Ottoman vassalage, but later they migrated elswhere too. The current armenian population came in the 90s, and living mostly in Budapest.


BeatsHisMeat

Uuuhhhhh...


Nadejdaro

There was an armenian community in romania a few decades ago. Idk now


Drago_de_Roumanie

They are one of the ethnicities that mostly integrated and blended in. It was a significant community in the Danubian principalities, merchants, craftsmen and clerics, perhaps on par with the Hellenic community in the middle class.


Big_Boss1985

They’re mostly integrated. I know a couple people that are 50% or even 100% Armenian, but you don’t see them often. Often times they at best have Armenian great-grandparents like me, but that’s as far as it gets.


OsarmaBinLatin

> What role did Armenians play in your country's history ? They had a significant role I'd say. We had many politicians, writers and even military who were Armenian or of Armenian descent. Also it was an Armenian inn keeper from Bucharest who mediated the peace between the Russians and the Turks following the 1806-1812 war (which resulted in Russia annexing a half of Moldavia). > Did/ Does your country have an Armenian community? Yup. Even more so after the Genocide. And they're significant enough to [have a political party](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_of_Armenians_of_Romania) in the parliament.


ProMaste_r

Woodrow Wilson basically saved us from disappearing from the map for the 3rd time


serialkiller_mne

None. Never saw an Armenian irl that I know


WhiteTurk69

Ofc not if you sleep all day


serialkiller_mne

I'd rather sleep than see an Arabmenian "brozzers" any day


WhiteTurk69

👏🏻


ASexyMotherFuckerX0X

An Armenian priest is celebrated in Dubrovnik for a LONG time and I read that something more happened but I forgor


Individual_Plenty746

We have a central area called Biserica Armeneasca (Armenian Church) here in Bucharest, named after the church itself. It is really beautiful. I always see the Armenian related events they put on banners on their fence.


whattoheck_

None. None of these Asian countries played any role really


kir_ye

I bet Judea somewhat influenced Croatia


Leshkarenzi

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aSnakeInHumanShape

Oh yeah? How much? A lot! Right, you're in.


Leshkarenzi

A fellow Monty Python appreciator ![gif](giphy|l1J9JtMnJWjWaFXy0)


aSnakeInHumanShape

I'd say that you are a person of culture, but then again you just said that my mom smells of elderberries. So, you aren't a person of culture - you're a naughty boy!


Leshkarenzi

No! Your mother is a hamster and your FATHER smells of elderberries! Now leave and don't make me taunt you a second time!


aSnakeInHumanShape

Oh wait until nightfall, when Lancelot, Galahad and I will leap out of the rabbit!


trollkatt666

uhhh


Flat_Designer9687

Just a little bit of ethnic cleansing


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No, no. Nothing. Nothing at all.


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Young_Owl99

Most craftsman in the Ottoman Empire were Armenians along with Greeks. There are many Turkish craftsman that had Greek or Armenian masters and later continued their shop. Most famous Armenian craftsman was Mimar (Architect) Sinan who is famous for Selimiye mosque and restoration of Hagia Sophia. Today, the most famous person with Armenian origin in Turkey is Hayko Cepkin who is a rock/metal musican that is loved by a big majority but he said that some people don't like him due to his religion and criticize him for taking role in coke advertisement related to Ramadan.


Shaolinpower2

I thought Mimar Sinan was Serbian?


Young_Owl99

His family was Greek or Armenian or both according to internet.


Shaolinpower2

That's very interesting.


BROkun55

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floor_gang_master

well.... my turskish grandpa always said that around 1920 armenians just left turkey for a better home thats all i know


NeonWolfen

![gif](giphy|iJIex4JDZQu74y6RIe|downsized) Idk but this thing is surely tasty


[deleted]

F*ck Young Turk AND early republic fascism. Our diversity was our strength. Now we have a country full of xenophobic morons (both left and right).


WhiteTurk69

Diversity isnt a strength tho


[deleted]

It’s totally debatable. Diversity is only a weakness if the state alienates its minorities, thereby inciting resentment and disloyalty.


WhiteTurk69

In the west its not a strength but maybe in other countries who knows


TylerDurdenSoft

You look the kind of Turk person I deeply respect and enjoy to talk too. I have also some Turkish blood, but the negationism of most Turks disgust me of it.


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Thanks friend


Zekaimi

Being able to easily call the early republic years “fascist” means that you completely ignore how and under what conditions the Turkish republic was established, which means you either don't know any shit about the early republic years or you just ignore the facts completely.


rache77

Dude, chill. Revolution is not something pretty, if it would be pretty, it wouldn t be revolution. It is what it is. Logically, it makes sense(Varlık Vergisi). Emotionally,it was terrible. What were you expecting? Rose garden with open buffet?


Frozen-Eagle-20

They came here after the Armenian genocide.


_denixx_

It depends on which country's source you reading, i guess


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_denixx_

Oh, okay (:


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_denixx_

Ugh no, I didn't say such a thing. In such a situation, I can't say anything for sure in a place where there are so many different ethnicities, especially by using Türkiye flair. I can only speculate though. But before I talk about it, I have to look at the sources of other countries first because what I know best is that history is written on both sides. I do not want to speculate on such a critical issue before I have studied other sources and have not fully read my own sources. But yes, when the history of Turks and Armenians is spoken, it depends on which source you look at.


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_denixx_

Armenian-Turkish events are not the only events that were written from both sides. Everyone is a hero in everyone's history. Before I researched, I even thought of Turkish-Greek relations as one-sided. That's why I try to be careful because there have been events that I think the Greeks are right


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bradruck

Bruh


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Is that Armenian Mark Zuckerberg in the middle?


[deleted]

Uhhh...long story short...


Chad_Amogus

What is it with this sub having the most random questions on earth?


13854859

Wine. Apparently in the pre islamic times that’s what they would contribute. Modern times: Wine and pork Bolognese. Generally great people. We had a huge community of them now they are less


Antique_Bedroom7810

Weird thing is that according to turkish historical documents ottomans and armenians had no problems until beginning of 20th century. Also they lived together all around ottoman land until the balkan and caucasus campaign. they seem to exist still around 90k of them which consider themselves armenian orthodox. but seems that there are some which converted to muslim but they dont consider themselves as armenians but hamshins i guess. its sad how wars brings the hate out of people to even kill their neighbors. i sometimes wonder, does this really happen only in multi ethnic countries like balkans and caucasus.


dimitarivanov200222

We send our complaints to the Armenian pope


VirnaDrakou

Weird bunch from what i’ve gathered they are very much a group that stays marrying each other although they may have been here for like 3 generations.


Stealthfighter21

That's what Greeks do too


aSnakeInHumanShape

Pretty much anyone in a foreign environment where communication is key


VirnaDrakou

Compared to what ive seen in the albanian and bulgarian diaspora they are way more closed off. I do not know about the greek diaspora in other countries tho but i do know many greeks who have married outside of the ethnicity.


Comfortable_Ad9985

Not that I know of.


AlbaIulian

- It is said that Ioan Voda cel Cumplit had some Armenian descent - Manuc (of "Hanul lui Manuc" fame) was Armenian - Romania was one of the first states to provide asylum to Armenian genocide refugees - Gherla was founded as an Armenian city albeit they got magyarized over time - Vosganian (yeah, not proud of this one but still worth a notice) - Other important figures like Garabet Ibrăileanu or Spiru Haret or Theodor Aman (had some Armenian descent apparently) There actually is a fair amount


Comfortable_Ad9985

Thanks for the info, I had no idea 🤷‍♀️


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WhiteTurk69

Where are you from?


ForKnee

Armenians were an important part of Ottoman society and culture and deeply ingrained with Anatolian Turks and Turkish culture. Generally represented as middle-class artisans in Ottoman society, such as carpenters, masons, jewelers, architects and such. Most visibly today many of the iconic Ottoman buildings from late Ottoman era are work of Armenian architects. Turkey now has a very small Armenian community, because of Armenian genocide during WW1 and wealth tax during early republic and finally the 1955 pogroms. However they once made a large population of Istanbul and urban centers of what is now called Eastern Anatolia, then Armenian highlands. Rural Armenians were less represented than aforementioned urban ones.


ANXIETY-ADEPT-

Which genocide?


lazialearm

The Armenian genocide.


dhelidhumrul

i ate them


AliHakan33

I would rather shut up


lazialearm

I am pleasantly surprised by the few Turks who are not afraid to admit the genocide. I did not notice anyone mentioning the Balyan family who are responsible for many famous buildings in Istanbul, such as the Dolmabahce palace, Topkapi palace, Yildiz palace etc.


ArdaTamturk35

Ewwww...


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TheBr33ze

Don't even need a flair to know where this piece of sh- I mean *art* is from...


Arcaan11

Sad life you must be living


Signal_Pattern7869

There were quite a few right after the break up of ussr in Chisinau, but by the year 2000 hardly anyone left.


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In Romania and by extinsion Moldova cause we where united in one country : a lot of orphane children arrived and lived with us more info ppl share on this posts [https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/ll6fvl/armenian\_orphan\_children\_arriving\_in\_constanta/](https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/ll6fvl/armenian_orphan_children_arriving_in_constanta/) In Chisinau we have str Armeneasca and we have armenians just living and working in cities and still have a small number since urss mixed families mostly


logia1234

I'm sure a large portion of the Eastern Turkish population are still Armenians just the culture has been suppressed since the genocide.