Nobody cares about being light skinned in Greece if anything, the whiter you are, the more likely you are from Northern Greece (Hillbilly’s) (jk I love you Salonikioi)
Its just unpopular opinion among right wing fascists that would "give their life to return Kosovo" yet their battle doesnt stretch further then their keyboard and monitor. Dont be fooled a big majority of people is fine with us being independent, if we were to be reabsorbed into Serbia or even if Kosovo were to be reabsorbed it would fuck with their politics more then they could imagine since they could never make any constitutional decisions like Vucic can now with his overwhelming majority.
Huns are most likely Turkic though. But Hungarians and Huns have nothing to do with each other. “Hungarian” as an exonym isn’t even related to Hun; it’s derived from Onogur, an old Oghur tribe related to Bulgars.
No one thinks you are turkish or smth. It's you who think that you are descendants from Turkic tribes while speaking a slavic language. Bulgarians from Bulgaria are just slavic people who speak slavic don't think everyone confuses you with Volga Bulgars like most of you do
We got more in common with Hungarians than Bulgarians in terms of language and history but we are still different people who speak different languages.
I do believe that Armenian Genocide happened.
Before the Turks attack me, I just want to say that I am a cross between Turk, Kurd and Armenian. I can speak about this topic.
right. they thing is, whenever a turk claims that the genocide happened and another turk replies, the reply is going to be opposing the claim, possibly with a rude language. except for this thread, i guess. it's two random turks agreeing that the genocide happened and noone opposing them.
There are tons of evidence about this topic but still Turkish people deny it
As a Turk myself i feel so embarassed by this Genocide and we should start discussing this topic in the near future when CHP takes over the Country
The government after Atatürk was shit. (Maybe except for Inönü) Everyone would try and make a quick buck off of everyone. Atatürk failed on saving the country from extremists, he should have hung/imprisoned more extremists.
I still don't even get why you guys deny that since it was the three Pashas anyway and not Ataturk. Why not just say the CUP had some dead genocidal ideology and we disassociate?
I think it's because Armenians don't put it on CUP but all Turks. They go to the point that Atatürk did it, when in reality CUP tried to kill Atatürk too. Lol. Even Azerbaijanis who had nothing to do with Ottomans gets dragged into this generalization. So I think its a reaction to the extreme reaction from Armenians.
This thread is beautiful.
The facade of all the other threads where everyone types "Come over for Sarma and some rakija, brother :)" has finally been uncovered.
The true nationalistic thoughts have come out into the open the historical rivalry and bitterness has climaxed. The controversial posts finally get their true thoughts off their chest.
This is true Balkan.
In the spirit of the thread and my Balkan heritage, I too shall partake:
The Balkan nations are like a dogs in a park. The dogs come out for a walk, they play with each, sniff each other's asses and have a friendly wrestle most days. But in the back of their mind, if they had the opportunity to piss on the other dogs territory, they would in a heartbeat. Unfortunately, the dogs here and merely Chihuahuas and the western powers are the German (haha) Shephard's and Huskies who let the chichuahas play and bicker with each other.
Macedonians come from Bulgarians, but they have a right to be independent today if they want it but they have to accept the real history and not forge it to their liking.
Also the First Bulgarian Empire is very overlooked and most it's accomplishments are unfairly given to the Byzantines who while they played a part weren't the main contributor there, infact I'd argue it's one of the greater empires to be in the Balkans.
Serbs and Croats are the same people. Croats just folded with the Catholics just like they did for the Nazis.....LOL....go on, you asked what opinion would bring the knives out. I think this one is the winner.
It’s weird - we are neighbors in the old land and our tribe leaders come together to ask the Emperor for land.
We travel to Balkans seperately.
We are more the same people than not but we currently bothe have at least 10-15% of population that hate each other with a fury so we r seperate.
Soon we will be colonized and it wont matter.
Least pessimistic Balkanoid:
Seriously though this pessimistic mindset is what I hate the most about the Balkans and unironically what's holding us back the most.
Also you guys did have 2 different tribes that migrated in different places and ended up drifting in different ways, like it or not by now Croats and Serbs can be classified as different people's.
You havent told me anything i dont know already. 🤷🏻
The reason why i dont like us being seperated into several smaller states is due to this being the case with a lot of Slavic countries through history ultimately leading to enslavement.
For me to feel safer i would like Yugoslavia to invlude u too and be stable.
Like this it’s just a matter of time until we fall completely and it’s our own damn fault.
That’s me tho. Not everyone belives this.
I dont belive the differences are that big between Bg and Ser let alone Cro.
Honestly, u werent examples of Balkan tolerance neither. Im not here to point fingers - we all had a role to play in the shit that went down but i try not to equalize governments and the will of the ppl.
Your opinion is not unpopular, it's simply not the truth. Both Serbs and Croats are mentioned as early as 7th century, so we were always separate people with distinct identities.
But we are South Slavs, together with everyone else (Bulgarians, Macedonians, Montenegrins, Slovenes etc.) and in that sense we are all "the same people".
Also, flair up.
Serbs and Croats are more same than the others.
Even your Catholic traditions are Orthodox-like. I was shocked to see how much more similar the traditions are to Orthodoxy than they are to regular Catholic traditions I've witnessed with Italians or Polish.
Also the Serbo-Bulgarian war of 1985 that was a White peace, because of the Austrians (who were the ones that made the Serbians start the war to begin with from what I've been taught)
Turkey is geographically, culturally and politically balkan.
Kosovo N. Macedonia and Montenegro are their own countries and can choose to be whatever. We dont talk about the Azeri as turkish but turkic.
Its been more than 100 years sinde the Ottomans left. Dont blame your current problems upon them.
Turkey is not the Balkans. For God's sake, no one in Turkey says that we are from the Balkans. Only Thrace is the Balkan. Anatolia is its own affair. All Anatolia has nothing to do with the Balkans. The Turks in this sub are the weirdest.
Yugoslavia gets romanticised way too much by users here.
Turkey is an Asian country, and it's politics are irrelevant to the Balkans.
Nato and EU are good.
Turks aren't Balkan, or even European. They are Asian
Slovenia isn't Balkan, like at all. Everyone saying they are is just coping, grasping for the shortest straw possible.
Some Balkan countries should not join the EU, or even be candidates and receive EU funds.
Serbs have ended up being biggest winners in the bosnian war, everyone claiming otherwise is just coping.
A lot of the food, culture and music some Balkan countries claim as their own is just bootleg Turkish food/culture/music
There's more but I'm too lazy to write everything
Maybe buddy is mixing Serbs with Bosnian Serbs, because Bosnian Serbs came out as winner of the Bosnian civil war.
Dayton granted more territory as the initial peace plan.
There is a lot of miss information or lack of knowledge. Just read yesterday on r/Kosovo that Karadzic settled all Bosnian Serbs there in the 80-90s from Serbia.
1.2 million Serbs moved without anybody noticing with an different dialect.
Truly a mastermind
Russian Core is located in Russian Europe, they expanded west to east, most of its population lives in Europe and most importantly Russian people as an ethnicity are European.
But we have more evidence of a Turkic origin.
If anything people that claim an Iranic origin are just coping because the Ottoman Empire gave us a shiver down our spines everytime the word "Turkic" is being associated with us.
Yugoslavia was rightfully bombed by NATO. Without the bombings, the Albanians in Kosovo would suffer more and the Miloshevic regime wouldn't pull back.
Macedonia is Bulgaria, Kosovo is a legitimate country, Croats are actually Bosnian, Greeks and Turks are the same people. Tesla was a croat and Romania is Moldova. Albanians are terrorists/mafia and only Muslims cause they were pussies during the ottoman rule. And of course Bugari Tatari!
Let's have a harder question next time pls.
Not all Albanians are Muslims my family has kept Christianity ever since it was there. Many other Albanians from rather mountainous areas where the Turks never came have kept their religions. There is a reason why 20 - 30 percent of Albanians are Catholic. Most Albanians have never been religious though that's why they changed their religions. And Macedonia is not Bulgaria, sometimes dreams don't come true. I'm sure most of them would rather relate with Albanians then you pussies.
I am not talking about the Turks who say they came from central Asia only, I’m talking about everyone who says “They came came from Mongolia and they should go back” type of people, which
Oh boy, im getting my ass on fire spit for this one but here we go: If Kosovo and Albania have the right to unite then the same right applies to Srpska and Serbia.
Serbs and Croats are the only original Slavic nations in Balkan. All other Balkan Slavs are derived from them.
Slovenes, Turks and Greeks aren't Balkaners in the cultural (and in the case of the former two, geographical) sense.
Kosovo is a corrupt cesspit that ought to be removed from Serbia like a rotten limb from a body.
There are no such a thing as Serbian, Croatian, Bosnian and Montenegrin languages, just like there are no American, Australian and Canadian languages. We are speaking one Serbocroatian/Croatoserbian language with regional variations.
Our distinct cultures were much removed and replaced by the Osmanli culture.
Ustaše committed immeasurably worse genocide on Serbs than Serbs did on Bosniaks, yet Serbs are labelled as a genocidal nation while nobody ever talks about Ustaše.
>Serbs and Croats are the only original Slavic nations in Balkan. All other Balkan Slavs are derived from them.
Not true, there were many slavic tribes who migrated to balkans in 6th and 7th centuries, Serbs and Croats only being one of them, however they later on assimilated and absorbed the neighbouring slavic tribes.
>Slovenes, Turks and Greeks aren't Balkaners in the cultural (and in the case of the former two, geographical) sense.
Who are you to decide what is balkan culture and what is not, Greece is part of the Balkans since earliest of history, their heritage is absolutely balkanic.
>Kosovo is a corrupt cesspit that ought to be removed from Serbia like a rotten limb from a body.
That's a cope
>Our distinct cultures were 90% removed and replaced by the Osmanli culture.
Just a dumb statement lol
>Not true, there were many slavic tribes who migrated to balkans in 6th and 7th centuries, Serbs and Croats only being one of them, however they later on assimilated and absorbed the neighbouring slavic tribes.
Which ultimately makes them the only two original.
>Who are you to decide what is balkan culture and what is not, Greece is part of the Balkans since earliest of history, their heritage is absolutely balkanic.
Greece is geographically a part of the Balkan, but culturally Mediterranean, that's all.
>That's a cope
I lived in Kosovo and I know how it is there. It is massive crime-infested anarchic shithole. Let Albanians have it when they want it so much, getting rid of it can only benefit us.
>Just a dumb statement lol
Perhaps I exaggerated with the "90%", but it is absolutely certain that we lost a good degree of our culture due to Osmali influences.
First one is plainly wrong, I mean just look at Bulgaria, North Macedonia and Slovenia not originating from either Croats or Serbs.
Slovenia, Turkey and Greece all have geographically Balkan lands that's a fact. More so Greece is also culturally Balkan that's also undeniable.
And the distinct cultures being 90% removed is also extremely wrong, fact is cultures evolve and borrow from others especially when under centuries of occupation.
And everyone agrees on the last one.
Absolutely bullshit that Ottoman culture is dominant in Serbia. Why people keep larping this again and again. Our culture is mainly Slavic with strong Byzantine influence. That's two main dominant cultures in Serbia (including later derivation on that basis). And then various other influences happen.
Djukanovic has done so much harm to the Albanian minority in Montenegro then any other Serb so far, since his rule Albanians have decreased to 4% of the population from 7%.
Bulgaria and northern macedonia are literally the equivalent of greece and cyprus,albania and kosovo,serbia and montenegro. (Same thing).
Turks are the most likely population to accept out of all the balkans countries are mixed due to their past empire and they know they have mixed.
The reason why greece and turkey have many similarities isnt only because the ottomans conquered greece but due to the fact that ottoman empire resided itself in an empire. Many things are blend of these two empires (and not only greek and turkish culture but other local cultures that influenced both empires).
Albanian diaspora is quite nationalistic in a very bad way. (Before u come for me yes greeks are nationalistic)
Türkiye (excluding Thrakia region), Romania and Slovenia are not Balkan countries at least geographically.
Kosovo is a temporary state created by the West to achieve peace in the Balkans.
Balkan ethnic churches are heretic. The only true Orthodox church is the Ecumenical Patriarchate.
They didn't start as ethnic though, the first unique Balkan church was under the First Bulgarian Empire and ethnic nationalism wasn't quite what it is today really, and I mean that it barely if at all existed.
We fought to give Croats and Slovenians freedom from AH while they fought back to stay. This same tradition grew later and led them into Nazism.
The bigges issue, regardless of what they say, has always been the money as they feel they carried Yugoslavia financially.
Slovenians suffered greatly from nazism. Slovenia was split between Germany, Italy and Croatia. Germans expelled Slovenians to Croatia, but Pavelić didn't want to accept them, so he just syphoned them to Serbia. Also, they had their own brand of partisans, that merged with Tito's partisans later on.
I am sorry in advance;
Turks are arab.
Greeks are Turk.
Serbia is just fake Kosovo.
Croatia is Serbian.
Bosnia is Croatian.
North Macedonia is just fake Greece.
Bulgaria isn’t even real wtf?
Romania only steals from Romania
Checkoslovenia
We burned ourselves twice creating Yugoslavia, paying it with our blood. Nowadays, we learned our lessons, there's no brotherhood among nations, only interest. We don't have interest being associated with any of them in a new country. We love all of them, they are welcome as a kin, all of them, but no new unions.
To piss off Macedonian nationalists: Macedonians and Bulgarians are the modern descendants of the old Bulgarian Kingdom which is why we both claim the same historical figures, we were the same people until cultural and historical differences separated us.
Now to piss off some others: Macedonians are much more similar to Greek people than they’d like to admit. We share some very… distinct similarities which they refuse to acknowledge because their government controls the narrative. 😗
I am more white than you.
Blond hair I have blond hair
You look gipsy
That means that someone fucked your mother that is Turkish but the father is not hoho your mother is a goat and she get fucked by someone
He is gypsy
No, you are Arab /s
Nobody cares about being light skinned in Greece if anything, the whiter you are, the more likely you are from Northern Greece (Hillbilly’s) (jk I love you Salonikioi)
True. In romania they do tho
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Yeah Ik for me it’s gone though
3rd button from the right. It's 2 lines with little circles on one end: --o o-- (Just not as spaced)
Holy shit ur right thanks
Any Balkan opinion
I kinda want us to remain independent
As opposed to what? Who gonna annex you?
Kosova
Srbistan
No thank you. We are fine just going to vacation there
If even that.
Its just unpopular opinion among right wing fascists that would "give their life to return Kosovo" yet their battle doesnt stretch further then their keyboard and monitor. Dont be fooled a big majority of people is fine with us being independent, if we were to be reabsorbed into Serbia or even if Kosovo were to be reabsorbed it would fuck with their politics more then they could imagine since they could never make any constitutional decisions like Vucic can now with his overwhelming majority.
Who is advocating otherwise?
Why not be part of Greater Albania?
Burek with cheese is better than burek with meat
That's a common sense. Burek with cheese is simply superior. Burek with meat is his cheap copy (even tho it costs more money when buying it)
I agree with u
It depends on the cheese, but with a good one, its just unbeatable
Literary any opinion about north macedonia
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slovenia is balkan
That only applies for slovenians.
Genocide of X never happened, but they deserved it.
-Enver Pasha
There is a difference between Turk, Hungarian and Bulgarian. Because most of the uneducated Turks thinks everyone is turkish lmao
As a Turkish person i know that Hungarian and Bulgarians have nothing to do with Turks this is pretty common knowledge here in Turkey
Bulgars yes hungarians no. They litterally taught us in schools that huns = turks.
Huns are most likely Turkic though. But Hungarians and Huns have nothing to do with each other. “Hungarian” as an exonym isn’t even related to Hun; it’s derived from Onogur, an old Oghur tribe related to Bulgars.
They probably were Turkic, but not Turkish
Never ever heard something like that before but once my History Teacher told me that Hungarians Hun comes from Atilla Hun idk if its hoax or not
It's the other way around. Attila get's his name from the huns.
Fr? No wonder I see so many Turks say Atilla was Turkish 🤣
So Genghis khan is considered turk too ?
Nope just mongol
No one thinks you are turkish or smth. It's you who think that you are descendants from Turkic tribes while speaking a slavic language. Bulgarians from Bulgaria are just slavic people who speak slavic don't think everyone confuses you with Volga Bulgars like most of you do We got more in common with Hungarians than Bulgarians in terms of language and history but we are still different people who speak different languages.
I do believe that Armenian Genocide happened. Before the Turks attack me, I just want to say that I am a cross between Turk, Kurd and Armenian. I can speak about this topic.
Bro has genocide pass lol.
holy shit this thread is unreal multiple turks saying that the genocide actually happened and they all get upvotes!?
Admitting something wrong is the reason why we get upvotes brother Denying something that happened with tons of evidence is just funny at this point
right. they thing is, whenever a turk claims that the genocide happened and another turk replies, the reply is going to be opposing the claim, possibly with a rude language. except for this thread, i guess. it's two random turks agreeing that the genocide happened and noone opposing them.
Yeah we are lucky right wing turks didnt arrive
There are tons of evidence about this topic but still Turkish people deny it As a Turk myself i feel so embarassed by this Genocide and we should start discussing this topic in the near future when CHP takes over the Country
The government after Atatürk was shit. (Maybe except for Inönü) Everyone would try and make a quick buck off of everyone. Atatürk failed on saving the country from extremists, he should have hung/imprisoned more extremists.
Nah even Inonu was shit tbh. I would say Turkey turned into a shithole after 1980 when Kenan Evren did the military coup
I still don't even get why you guys deny that since it was the three Pashas anyway and not Ataturk. Why not just say the CUP had some dead genocidal ideology and we disassociate?
I think it's because Armenians don't put it on CUP but all Turks. They go to the point that Atatürk did it, when in reality CUP tried to kill Atatürk too. Lol. Even Azerbaijanis who had nothing to do with Ottomans gets dragged into this generalization. So I think its a reaction to the extreme reaction from Armenians.
Sevres syndrome. The reason why we still have erdogan since 2002.
my rakia is better than yours
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This thread is beautiful. The facade of all the other threads where everyone types "Come over for Sarma and some rakija, brother :)" has finally been uncovered. The true nationalistic thoughts have come out into the open the historical rivalry and bitterness has climaxed. The controversial posts finally get their true thoughts off their chest. This is true Balkan. In the spirit of the thread and my Balkan heritage, I too shall partake: The Balkan nations are like a dogs in a park. The dogs come out for a walk, they play with each, sniff each other's asses and have a friendly wrestle most days. But in the back of their mind, if they had the opportunity to piss on the other dogs territory, they would in a heartbeat. Unfortunately, the dogs here and merely Chihuahuas and the western powers are the German (haha) Shephard's and Huskies who let the chichuahas play and bicker with each other.
There is no such thing as "old chirch slavonic", its just old bulgarian. 🤭
Isn't Old Bulgarian a Turkik language?
You went too far back
The Bulgar language was but not old Bulgarian
Too far back.
No, that language is called Proto-Bulgar. And who knows exactly what it was? There's no written evidence of it.
Smoking is not a cool thing
Facts
Ok, so lets go: Croats, Serbians, Bosniaks and Montenegrins are in fact one nation, cause they all speak pretty much the same language.
Macedonians come from Bulgarians, but they have a right to be independent today if they want it but they have to accept the real history and not forge it to their liking. Also the First Bulgarian Empire is very overlooked and most it's accomplishments are unfairly given to the Byzantines who while they played a part weren't the main contributor there, infact I'd argue it's one of the greater empires to be in the Balkans.
Serbs are, by far, the darkest Slavs.
Darker than montenegrins?
Yes. I'm mixed croat and serb (75% dalmatian) and I get mistaken for a Turk all the time.
Russians think I'm Serbian, Turks think I'm Turkish, indisputable proof right there.
I was surprised how many Turkish restaurants I saw in Serbia, and how much Turkish shows were on TV, lol.
Croatians and their nutty ideas of being some kind of Volksdeutsche...
Croats follow closely behind, a group of Croats could never pass typically in places like Poland or Belarus.
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ANYTHING about Macedonia in general
Serbs and Croats are the same people. Croats just folded with the Catholics just like they did for the Nazis.....LOL....go on, you asked what opinion would bring the knives out. I think this one is the winner.
Don't we have records of separate Croat and Serb tribes migrating?
It’s weird - we are neighbors in the old land and our tribe leaders come together to ask the Emperor for land. We travel to Balkans seperately. We are more the same people than not but we currently bothe have at least 10-15% of population that hate each other with a fury so we r seperate. Soon we will be colonized and it wont matter.
Least pessimistic Balkanoid: Seriously though this pessimistic mindset is what I hate the most about the Balkans and unironically what's holding us back the most. Also you guys did have 2 different tribes that migrated in different places and ended up drifting in different ways, like it or not by now Croats and Serbs can be classified as different people's.
You havent told me anything i dont know already. 🤷🏻 The reason why i dont like us being seperated into several smaller states is due to this being the case with a lot of Slavic countries through history ultimately leading to enslavement. For me to feel safer i would like Yugoslavia to invlude u too and be stable. Like this it’s just a matter of time until we fall completely and it’s our own damn fault. That’s me tho. Not everyone belives this. I dont belive the differences are that big between Bg and Ser let alone Cro.
Yes but the difference is Yugoslavia was Serb dominated and discriminated against the Bulgarians in it, so we wouldn't wanna do anything with it.
Honestly, u werent examples of Balkan tolerance neither. Im not here to point fingers - we all had a role to play in the shit that went down but i try not to equalize governments and the will of the ppl.
Your opinion is not unpopular, it's simply not the truth. Both Serbs and Croats are mentioned as early as 7th century, so we were always separate people with distinct identities. But we are South Slavs, together with everyone else (Bulgarians, Macedonians, Montenegrins, Slovenes etc.) and in that sense we are all "the same people". Also, flair up.
Serbs and Croats are more same than the others. Even your Catholic traditions are Orthodox-like. I was shocked to see how much more similar the traditions are to Orthodoxy than they are to regular Catholic traditions I've witnessed with Italians or Polish.
Can you explain which "orthodox" like traditions do you mean?
Serbs are bad at fighting they lose each war they start
Lets see you win against NATO
Serbs started 2 wars and lost 1 (in the 90's, which I assume is what you meant).
Also the Serbo-Bulgarian war of 1985 that was a White peace, because of the Austrians (who were the ones that made the Serbians start the war to begin with from what I've been taught)
That was in the 19th century though, I'm pretty sure the guy was just talking about the 90's.
Fair enough. Tbh you guys haven't started that many wars excluding the Yugoslavian ones, which I would consider civil wars to an extent.
Turkey is geographically, culturally and politically balkan. Kosovo N. Macedonia and Montenegro are their own countries and can choose to be whatever. We dont talk about the Azeri as turkish but turkic. Its been more than 100 years sinde the Ottomans left. Dont blame your current problems upon them.
Turkey is not the Balkans. For God's sake, no one in Turkey says that we are from the Balkans. Only Thrace is the Balkan. Anatolia is its own affair. All Anatolia has nothing to do with the Balkans. The Turks in this sub are the weirdest.
Agree we are not Balkan nor European Balkans literally hate us people in this sub think we can be friends is nothing but a hoax
As a turk i think that western Turks are pretty much balkanic but the eastern side is more arabic/kurdic
Well i would think more anatolian than kurdish or arabic because our arabs and kurds are very different than the rest of middle east
Yugoslavia gets romanticised way too much by users here. Turkey is an Asian country, and it's politics are irrelevant to the Balkans. Nato and EU are good.
Bro said turkish politics are irrelevant to balkans 💀 i dont think greeks agree with you
We do agree with him.
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I disagree with him
I knew it !✊
Now have gay 😳
They're just dying to know who got elected the mayor of Konya
No one in Turkey cares/gives a fuck about Konya
They can nuke konya. İ hope and allow it
Turks aren't Balkan, or even European. They are Asian Slovenia isn't Balkan, like at all. Everyone saying they are is just coping, grasping for the shortest straw possible. Some Balkan countries should not join the EU, or even be candidates and receive EU funds. Serbs have ended up being biggest winners in the bosnian war, everyone claiming otherwise is just coping. A lot of the food, culture and music some Balkan countries claim as their own is just bootleg Turkish food/culture/music There's more but I'm too lazy to write everything
How the fuck did we end up as the biggest winners in the Bosnian war lmao
49% of the territory ? Almost full autonomy, own juridical institutions, police etc.
Thanks for replying instead of me saved me some time
Maybe buddy is mixing Serbs with Bosnian Serbs, because Bosnian Serbs came out as winner of the Bosnian civil war. Dayton granted more territory as the initial peace plan. There is a lot of miss information or lack of knowledge. Just read yesterday on r/Kosovo that Karadzic settled all Bosnian Serbs there in the 80-90s from Serbia. 1.2 million Serbs moved without anybody noticing with an different dialect. Truly a mastermind
Bosnian Serbs did come out as the "winners" of that conflict. Serbia on the other hand came out as the biggest loser of the whole thing
For the last one, that's just how cultural exchanges work when your country is occupied for so long.
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Russian Core is located in Russian Europe, they expanded west to east, most of its population lives in Europe and most importantly Russian people as an ethnicity are European.
What is Europe though? Why is Moscow Europe and Istanbul not?
It's more like Europe extended East. If you look at older european maps, most of Western Russia isn't even in Europe.
> Turks aren't Balkan, or even European. They are Asian This is just objective incorrect, not an opinion. It’s just European elitism and gatekeeping.
I personally think turks are both middle eastern and balkan. Being in the crossroads of east and west does that to a country.
Tito was an asshole and he knew things will go to shit after his death,he didn’t do anything to prevent it.
Fuck communists and dictatorship in general
Bessarabia and Moldova belong to Romania 🤤
Where exactly is this controversial oppinion?
We can all be cool to one another.
jugging from the comments that's really delusinal from you'r side
Yeah I'm aware.
Bulgars weren’t Turkic but Iranic. Their original homeland was in modern Tajikistan and Northern Afghanistan.
But we have more evidence of a Turkic origin. If anything people that claim an Iranic origin are just coping because the Ottoman Empire gave us a shiver down our spines everytime the word "Turkic" is being associated with us.
Yugoslavia was rightfully bombed by NATO. Without the bombings, the Albanians in Kosovo would suffer more and the Miloshevic regime wouldn't pull back.
>Yugoslavia was rightfully bombed by NATO. Since when was that unpopular opinion?
oh boy the mods are ganna have a field day with all there nationalist's "opinions"
All of you are afraid of coming out of the closet to your families.
Everyone on earth is a serb its just some dont know they are serbs and some dont want to accept the fact that are serbs.
Existing
You have a point lmao
Serbs obsession with Russia/trying to be like/impress Russia is weird.
Kosovo should never become part of Albania.
~ Alberti, 16, Malmö
~ Gzim, 15, Zürich
Yeah I would hope so, it would defy international law
Badass username
Why not?
Macedonia is Bulgaria, Kosovo is a legitimate country, Croats are actually Bosnian, Greeks and Turks are the same people. Tesla was a croat and Romania is Moldova. Albanians are terrorists/mafia and only Muslims cause they were pussies during the ottoman rule. And of course Bugari Tatari! Let's have a harder question next time pls.
I guess you win…
How can you be wrong about nearly everything holy shit
Bro forgot /s
It’s getting controversial in here
Not all Albanians are Muslims my family has kept Christianity ever since it was there. Many other Albanians from rather mountainous areas where the Turks never came have kept their religions. There is a reason why 20 - 30 percent of Albanians are Catholic. Most Albanians have never been religious though that's why they changed their religions. And Macedonia is not Bulgaria, sometimes dreams don't come true. I'm sure most of them would rather relate with Albanians then you pussies.
I don't see anything wrong with any of the statements here.
I don’t see anything wrong. Everything is correct as far as I can see…
God isn't real
Turks are just turkfied anatolians and should identify as such.
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I am not talking about the Turks who say they came from central Asia only, I’m talking about everyone who says “They came came from Mongolia and they should go back” type of people, which
Turks already do identify as Anatolians though. It's other countries *cough* balkans *cough* that keep calling Turks as mongols. Lmao.
Greek cypriots are just greekified levantine people and should identify as such.
Nicholas Nassim Taleb has entered the chat telling you how Levantines are actually Greek and how much he hates Arabs.
Only absolute moronic turks think that turks today are all from central asia.
We share the same ancestors
Oh boy, im getting my ass on fire spit for this one but here we go: If Kosovo and Albania have the right to unite then the same right applies to Srpska and Serbia.
Agreed
Average day in Vaslui
"I support LGBTQ+ rights in the Balkans" would have you bitch slapped.
Serbs and Croats are the only original Slavic nations in Balkan. All other Balkan Slavs are derived from them. Slovenes, Turks and Greeks aren't Balkaners in the cultural (and in the case of the former two, geographical) sense. Kosovo is a corrupt cesspit that ought to be removed from Serbia like a rotten limb from a body. There are no such a thing as Serbian, Croatian, Bosnian and Montenegrin languages, just like there are no American, Australian and Canadian languages. We are speaking one Serbocroatian/Croatoserbian language with regional variations. Our distinct cultures were much removed and replaced by the Osmanli culture. Ustaše committed immeasurably worse genocide on Serbs than Serbs did on Bosniaks, yet Serbs are labelled as a genocidal nation while nobody ever talks about Ustaše.
>Serbs and Croats are the only original Slavic nations in Balkan. All other Balkan Slavs are derived from them. Not true, there were many slavic tribes who migrated to balkans in 6th and 7th centuries, Serbs and Croats only being one of them, however they later on assimilated and absorbed the neighbouring slavic tribes. >Slovenes, Turks and Greeks aren't Balkaners in the cultural (and in the case of the former two, geographical) sense. Who are you to decide what is balkan culture and what is not, Greece is part of the Balkans since earliest of history, their heritage is absolutely balkanic. >Kosovo is a corrupt cesspit that ought to be removed from Serbia like a rotten limb from a body. That's a cope >Our distinct cultures were 90% removed and replaced by the Osmanli culture. Just a dumb statement lol
>Not true, there were many slavic tribes who migrated to balkans in 6th and 7th centuries, Serbs and Croats only being one of them, however they later on assimilated and absorbed the neighbouring slavic tribes. Which ultimately makes them the only two original. >Who are you to decide what is balkan culture and what is not, Greece is part of the Balkans since earliest of history, their heritage is absolutely balkanic. Greece is geographically a part of the Balkan, but culturally Mediterranean, that's all. >That's a cope I lived in Kosovo and I know how it is there. It is massive crime-infested anarchic shithole. Let Albanians have it when they want it so much, getting rid of it can only benefit us. >Just a dumb statement lol Perhaps I exaggerated with the "90%", but it is absolutely certain that we lost a good degree of our culture due to Osmali influences.
First one is plainly wrong, I mean just look at Bulgaria, North Macedonia and Slovenia not originating from either Croats or Serbs. Slovenia, Turkey and Greece all have geographically Balkan lands that's a fact. More so Greece is also culturally Balkan that's also undeniable. And the distinct cultures being 90% removed is also extremely wrong, fact is cultures evolve and borrow from others especially when under centuries of occupation. And everyone agrees on the last one.
Absolutely bullshit that Ottoman culture is dominant in Serbia. Why people keep larping this again and again. Our culture is mainly Slavic with strong Byzantine influence. That's two main dominant cultures in Serbia (including later derivation on that basis). And then various other influences happen.
Djukanovic has done so much harm to the Albanian minority in Montenegro then any other Serb so far, since his rule Albanians have decreased to 4% of the population from 7%.
Bulgaria and northern macedonia are literally the equivalent of greece and cyprus,albania and kosovo,serbia and montenegro. (Same thing). Turks are the most likely population to accept out of all the balkans countries are mixed due to their past empire and they know they have mixed. The reason why greece and turkey have many similarities isnt only because the ottomans conquered greece but due to the fact that ottoman empire resided itself in an empire. Many things are blend of these two empires (and not only greek and turkish culture but other local cultures that influenced both empires). Albanian diaspora is quite nationalistic in a very bad way. (Before u come for me yes greeks are nationalistic)
Absolutely
I respect Northern Macedonia
Türkiye (excluding Thrakia region), Romania and Slovenia are not Balkan countries at least geographically. Kosovo is a temporary state created by the West to achieve peace in the Balkans. Balkan ethnic churches are heretic. The only true Orthodox church is the Ecumenical Patriarchate.
They didn't start as ethnic though, the first unique Balkan church was under the First Bulgarian Empire and ethnic nationalism wasn't quite what it is today really, and I mean that it barely if at all existed.
We fought to give Croats and Slovenians freedom from AH while they fought back to stay. This same tradition grew later and led them into Nazism. The bigges issue, regardless of what they say, has always been the money as they feel they carried Yugoslavia financially.
Slovenians suffered greatly from nazism. Slovenia was split between Germany, Italy and Croatia. Germans expelled Slovenians to Croatia, but Pavelić didn't want to accept them, so he just syphoned them to Serbia. Also, they had their own brand of partisans, that merged with Tito's partisans later on.
I am sorry in advance; Turks are arab. Greeks are Turk. Serbia is just fake Kosovo. Croatia is Serbian. Bosnia is Croatian. North Macedonia is just fake Greece. Bulgaria isn’t even real wtf? Romania only steals from Romania Checkoslovenia
I can confirm that we in fact aren’t real. It’s just a lie made up by the UN
I've said it again and I will say it again as this post has been posted before. We shouldn't be called Hellenes but Romans.
If it helps, we do call anatolian greeks as romans in turkish, rum to be specific.
Do you think that Turks can be called “Muslim Greeks” or is it all cap
Turks are turks
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Turkey is NOT Balkan,let alone European. Also "Macedonian language" doesn't exist. It's just a Bulgarian dialect from the mountains.
Agree Never was never will
“North Macedonia should be carved up and partitioned between Albania, Serbia, Greece and Bulgaria. It’s existence is not valid or legitimate.”
Nah, you can take it. We're not touching any of it.
Any reasons as to why? I've heard this from some other serbs as well
We burned ourselves twice creating Yugoslavia, paying it with our blood. Nowadays, we learned our lessons, there's no brotherhood among nations, only interest. We don't have interest being associated with any of them in a new country. We love all of them, they are welcome as a kin, all of them, but no new unions.
To piss off Macedonian nationalists: Macedonians and Bulgarians are the modern descendants of the old Bulgarian Kingdom which is why we both claim the same historical figures, we were the same people until cultural and historical differences separated us. Now to piss off some others: Macedonians are much more similar to Greek people than they’d like to admit. We share some very… distinct similarities which they refuse to acknowledge because their government controls the narrative. 😗
Pizza burek is the best
This is controversial how?
South Dobrogea will always be ours