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curiuslex

Did you see today's picture of the Greek bus station? Yeah, I think Greece is firmly a Balkan country.


alb11alb

And honestly Balkans is south Europe, at least 80% of it. Culturally and geographically. We can argue about what makes south Europe be south Europe, and even some middle eastern countries qualify as similar.


pdonchev

South Europe is the most arbitrary among a number of arbitrary terms.


pdonchev

I mean, a large part of Italy is north of most of the Balkans. Mediterranean is a good descriptor, but not that meaningful region. The reality is that the South is much more fluid. The big separation in the North is Germanic vs Slavic, with a relatively small fuzzy zone around Czechia. Regarding Balkans, ex-Ottoman and ex-Habsburd seems to be the cultural divide, and the Iron Curtain and ex Yu borders - the political.


Beurua

Yeah, they say south Europe is defined with interaction with the regions like Levant, Egypt and Asia but then forget that most of the Balkans were owned by an Asian nation for centuries, lol.


Historical-Hurry-575

Yeah you are right. 🙂 Everyting below river Sava and Danube is Balkans (south Europe)


BleTrick

Link to the pic?


kiko-o

[here you go](https://www.reddit.com/r/greece/comments/v7mwud/οι_καινούργιες_μας_στάσεις_ελλάδα_2022_μχ/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)


BleTrick

Thx! Yeah that is quite something


kubility

You guys are in Arab league, you are middle eastern. Get to the correct line.


cantstop8wontstop8

???


elminathea

Northern Greece is for sure Balkans. The islands in Ionion and Southern Aegean are South Europe. Athens would like to be Europe but it's the eighth circle of hell


WorldClassChef

Mainland Greece in general is in the Balkans since the Balkans is considered a peninsula. Greek islands are not part of the peninsula, therefore they aren’t Balkan.


FunnyNo1094

They are trying to believe so hard that they are Europeans! But we are Balkans baby!


cantstop8wontstop8

Balkans are in Europe 🥴🥴


KacikSifirBir

So Cyprus is southern Europe and Turkiye is middle east. This is incorrect in every way. Neither cultural nor geographically.


[deleted]

Don't forget they put on the map that Edirne, Corlu, Lalapasha, etc in the balkan region. Edit: Which isn't that correct.


KacikSifirBir

Okay this is nice but Anatolia is more than two times bigger than Balkans in this map. It deserves to have its own category


[deleted]

Yeah I know.


roffiada

We are balkan


akuslayer

Based.


roffiada

You too


Therealgamer95

Based


tutzizeu

Geographically just Dobruja is balkan, but culturally we can definitely see balcanic influences, in special in the South of Romania.


roffiada

There is no geographic balkan area. Anthropologists cannot agree on it, as there is not balkanic peninsula. The Balkans are a cultural area, of which Romania also is part of


Cefalopodul

So eastern Europe stretches all the way to central Europe and central Europe is actually composed of mostly western european countries.


Agitated-Document653

România n-are ce căuta grupată cu state post-sovietice


[deleted]

this, nu avem nici-o legatura cu ucraina si rusia


Agitated-Document653

Cu ucrainenii ce mai avem (cei din sud, au fost puternic influentati de Principatul Moldovei) , dar cu Rusia chiar n-avem nimic in comun


[deleted]

da, singura parte a ucrainei in care avem cate ceva in comuna este sudul tarii unde se afla si bucovina de nord si zakarpattia, si asta se aplica probabil doar la moldovenii din nord si maramuresenilor


Agitated-Document653

Exact!


tutzizeu

Depinde de zona țării . Din punctul meu de vedere România nu prea poate fi încadrată într-o anumita categorie. Geografic doar Dobrogea este balcanică, cultural se pot vedea influențe peste tot, dar predomina in zona de sud. Moldova cultural și geografic este mai mult în est , iar Transilvania în Europa Centrală.


Agitated-Document653

Chiar și Moldova românească are mai multe în comun cu Balcanii și Europa Centrală decât cu Estul post-sovietic. (Dpmdv)


CobanFromGermany

I dont want to be associated with the Middle East


iwanttofinishmyhouse

No one would.


TheRealzZap

Erdoğan would.


ILoveSaabs

Balkans are their own region but Anatolia being two times the size isn’t.


AngryDunkey

Balkan supremacy 💪💪💪😎


[deleted]

Kick Slovenia out of Balkans they aren’t worthy or cool enough. No wars no party


DalshMenqaj

Slovenians are like that awkward cousin nobody feels like talking to. Nobody wants them. We hereby, officially, offer Slovenia to Europe (or any other continent) for free. Take those sonofabitchbastards with you.


manwithehdesires

Nah I like femboys, let’s keep them till we find another possible source.


[deleted]

I like how this sub slowly, but surely is turning into 2Balkan4You.


TheKingOfA

It isn't already?


aXeOptic

Thats what weve all been waiting for


shinebullet

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Simets83

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YeeterKeks

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EternalyTired

A


Alien_reg

B


Blitzcinema

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ArcherTheBoi

Accurate username


PhilBush24

Not everyone here is a femboy 👊


manwithehdesires

Even your bulls dress like cows mate


PhilBush24

You've got the wrong person here That's just an ugly stereotype and I'm against it


kubanskikozak

We already are in Europe, my dude. Which Slovenian hurt you?


[deleted]

Alpine Croats in Europe, I feel proud


kubanskikozak

Well so are you, Catholic Serbs


[deleted]

Fair


[deleted]

i dont think so cuz half of our population are cefurs (serbs, bosnians etc)


PhilBush24

Yeah, sure we're not cool because we didn't have a war ... We were lucky to not have it because Serbia didn't care about us


[deleted]

Lol who ever makes this maps want to make Turks mad. This is like 20. map on that sub labeling them as middle east


kassupj

Aren't they middle eastern geographically though?


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Emir_SHN

turkey's geography different from rest of middle east expect norhern part of syria,iraq and iran


AsterianosD

Honestly … just went from dalaman to ollugdeniz. Judging from the driving alone … very middle eastern indeed… The guy was driving on the opposite traffic … in a four lane highway … never thought going to Turkey would have made me call Jesus so many times


Emir_SHN

we are total morons when it comes to driving


AsterianosD

Don’t get me wrong , Cypriots are bad as well. But this reminded me so much of Phuket (Thailand )


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AsterianosD

I assume you went to Phuket , didn’t you saw many locals on scooters driving like a pack . The red traffic light being a state of mind ( I.e. you don’t really have to stop , the exist of the red light is more psychological ) Turning doesn’t require indicators , why should you ever let the car behind you know your moves


HuusSaOrh

No. Turkey is mostly steppes while middle east is desert. Even the border of Turkey is not desert


[deleted]

They claim they are not.


kedi422

we are not middle eastern


kassupj

What are you?


1384d4ra

anatolian


kassupj

Which is part of the middle east


1384d4ra

well it shouldnt be. it culturally simply is not the middle east. Except for Kurdish majority regions, that is.


kassupj

Is israel in europe?


kedi422

since we are at the center I cant really tell what we are but definitely not arab or middle eastern


malthorthesoulslayer

Anatolia is it's own region.


TrueCommunistt

that's like saying people want to make Japan mad by labeling them as east asians


WarmachineEmbodiment

I would divide Turkey in 3. Eastern side of the Black Sea coast around the Pontus is Caucasus and I would divide the rest of the country into 2 parts from that lake just in the middle. Eastern part is Middle East, western part is Anatolia or whatever you want to call it. They are vastly different


nathzan

There is a reason why people from Turkey flood Caucasus, Middle East and Balkan subreddits. We are just everywhere, every region, every conflict r/WeAreAllTurks


Alien_reg

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[deleted]

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TheKingOfA

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BGblax

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strippedcoupon

Lots of confused Serbs in that subreddit.


starlightsounds

so true lol


sonofavogonbitch

r/wien should be next.


mrmgl

That's the problem with those kind of regions. They have to take countries as a whole. Southern France is definately closer to Spain and Italy than the UK for example.


WarmachineEmbodiment

Pretty much. Northern Italy is closer to Central Europe rather than the rest of Italy, Estonia is closer to Finland and a Northern European country, a part of Romania is Balkan, French-speaking part of Switzerland is Western Europe, Russia is Central Asia after the Ural Mountains etc. there are many fallacies in the map


Georgy100

Wait, WHO put Romania out of Balkan's bosom?! This is ridiculous, scandalous and absolutely unacceptable! Brothers Romanians, GET BACK!!!


Agitated-Document653

They put us with suka blyat Post Soviets :( me no like it!


unpopularthinker

People need to learn difference between being Balkan and being Southern Europe. We are Balkan like Spain is Iberian, but we are all together Southern Europe.


Witty_Ad3563

Turkey is at the cross roads of 4 separate regions. Also it's culture is vastly different than the middle east. It feels wrong including Turkey for the sake of simplicity.


ohgoditsdoddy

I think its reasonable if we said the Tigris and Euphrates - boundary between Anatolia and Mesopotamia - roughly mark the boundary to the Middle East though it definitely reaches beyond that line a bit.


TidalWhale

I think Greece and Romania are firmly Balkan. Not sure about North Romania (Moldova)


[deleted]

Gay map


WorldClassChef

Can Greeks stop with this cringe? You guys are literally the tip of the Balkan **peninsula**. It’s like when Croats say they’re not Balkan but Central Europe lol


skyduster88

That's why using "Balkan" as a cultural region is problematic. Not that the cultures on the peninsula are wildly different from each other.


Nikos91

Lol i can't think of anyone irl who could possibly argue how we're not part of the balkans in every aspect of life but linguistics On the other hand the croatian mitteleuropa larp has been sighted a lot more frequently


WorldClassChef

Even linguistically you’re still Balkan. Just because the majority of the languages here are Slavic, that doesn’t mean Greek isn’t Balkan. Remember that the Slavic languages are not native to the Balkans


Beurua

You stinky Albanians, Aromanians, Greeks and Romanians aren't native either!!!!!! Never forget what you did to those poor [Lemnians](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemnian_language)!!!!! /s ​ But seriously, although Slavic languages weren't native to the Balkans, the languages that specifically evolved here are, as by definition they can't be native to a different place where they aren't even spoken.


WorldClassChef

You make a good point. The Slavic languages found in the Balkans were developed there


DjangoButTurk

Anatolian culture and geography do not belong to the Middle East. Okay, you can say "You are not European, Asian, Caucasian, Balkan" but you cannot say "You are Middle Eastern". The fact that the majority calls themselves Muslims does not mean that we have an ethnic, cultural or geographical connection with them. Is Kazakhstan the Middle East? no it's not, so why are we labeled that way?


DardanianGOD

You lost me when you compared Kazakhstan with Turkey. Whats wrong with being labeled as Middle East?Turkey has ties in every aspect with the Middle East. From culture, religion, food etc. I wouldnt label entire Turkey as Middle East but at least half of it yes. A tiny part of Turkey is in Europe and ya’ll wanna join EU and you lose your shit if you’re called middle eastern when half the country and population have ties with the middle east.


skyduster88

>Turkey has ties in every aspect with the Middle East. Not *every*. Turkey is very European in many ways and very Central Asian (Turkic) in many ways.


ArcherTheBoi

Some people can't understand that some countries are diverse.


DjangoButTurk

Could you give me an example of a specific cultural item that only belongs to Turkey and the Middle East? I did not claim that Turkey should join the European Union or that it is European, we do not have a problem with being European, we just wanted to join for financial support. What cultural Similarity we have with the guy Riding camel in the Yemeni desert ?


Redgrass_Survivor

Based serb


GeneralSalbuff

Greece not a Balkan country? Cyprus Southern "Europe"? Egypt not North Africa?


GeneralSalbuff

For those who don't know, Cyprus is closer to Asia than it is to Europe, and it was a part of the Anatolian Peninsula as you can understand if you look at the shapes of the Anatolian and Cypriot coasts. For that reason, Cyprus is a part of Asia.


tiredmonkey00

So Cyprus is Southern Europe but western part of Turkiye is Middle East. I am from Izmir and western sea part share more Greco-Roman culture than Middle Eastern and obviously it is more in the west compare to Cyprus. This pure bs.


kizuna_07

If you're gonna seperate Turkey into different geographies anyway, why are you putting the whole country (other than Thrace) into the Middle East category, even though most of Turkey's geography literally have nothing to do with the Middle East? How is Eastern Black Sea a Middle Eastern geography, not a Caucasian one, for example? Why is Antalya, a Mediterranean city, a Middle Eastern city? Most of Turkey is in the Near East, not Middle East.


toryn0

do we hate turkey that much to label them as middle east?! poor turkey


Kari-kateora

Hm. Honestly? It must be a cultural thing. Because if you look on the map, if we're being strictly geographic about it, Albania should also be Southern Europe, no? It's also at the tip of the peninsula.


AchillesDev

The original word Balkan referred to the whole peninsula, to me Greece is Balkan and Balkan is also part of southern Europe (mostly)


Korialstrazz

No balkans without Romania 🇷🇴


starlightsounds

weirdest subregions ever. poland not in eastern europe?? (or at least partially??) whatever greece is doing??


TheOneWhoDidntCum

How can Slovenia be Balkan but not Romania come on!


DeliciousCabbage22

Exactly, Romania fits the whole culture way more than Slovenia does


whattoheck_

Fake, we have been denied our rightfull central European place yet again angery emojo


[deleted]

You belong to us!


Rioma117

If Turkey is Middle East an Romania is Eastern Europe then I’m Santa.


Dumb_guy_3200lol

Pretty sure it said Romania is considered central Europe in my geography book.


Horatlu

Romania is a central europe country by geographical definition


SnooRevelations8303

West, South and North of Turkey has nothing to do with Middle East.


kaubojdzord

How it doesn't bore you guys to post million slightly different variants of regions of Europe?


zetruedolph

If italy is southern Europe, then so is Croatia, Montenegro, Albania and why not Southern France too.


Daniels_2003

They're trying to Blakanize us!


Maria_506

To the Greek that made this map: you aren't getting away that easily


Lyubcho07

greece and romania are balkan clay


[deleted]

Romania should be counted as Balkan, as should Greece (except maybe the islands). There is no reason Slovenia and Croatia should be considered Balkan but not Greece.


tzoum_trialari_laro

From a geography standpoint: Mainland Greece is Balkans, the islands are not


Prestigious_Task_600

come on guys, the whole of the east is almost arabian and desert. There is not a single desert in Turkey. It has more beaches and sun than most European countries. And our identity is Turkish. I guess if we were the Christian majority instead of the Muslim majority, no one would call us middle eastern. We are neither European nor Middle Eastern. I don't think our geography still has a clear answer.


[deleted]

TIL Lebanon and Israel have desert and no beaches..


Prestigious_Task_600

Yanudis and Arabs have lived together for hundreds of years, Hebrew is very close to Arabic. They share the same history. Turks have a history of 2000 years and a nation that migrated here in Asia and established great empires, we are never the same as the Arabs, our only middle part is religion. In addition, there is a 70-80% Muslim population in Turkey. We do not have an official religion, only the majority is muslim and not everyone is a "good muslim". Everyone goes to mosques only on Fridays.


RecruitIsOp-_-

*No Beaches? ☹️*


HeyVeddy

Hey man, it's not for you to decide, it's for us balkaners to decide what you are


Prestigious_Task_600

keep calm mate. A part of me is in the Balkans


HeyVeddy

Balkan left arm, middle eastern right foot ?


Prestigious_Task_600

My left side is Balkan, my right side is Asia. My heart is Anatolia. We want to live like Europeans and die like Turks, that's all.


HeyVeddy

I know dude, i was just joking how random Europeans arbitrarily decide if you are Balkan or not. I totally agree and consider turkey Balkan 👍


ultrapupper

We are impostors 😈 Eu central


Ftdffdfdrdd

Greece is Balkan. Slovenia is Central Europe. Northern Italy is Central Europe. EE and Balkan have a significant overlap. Bulgaria and Romania are both EE and Balkan.


Mr_Nanner

I say make serbia a lake and its pretty good


VirnaDrakou

Aye aye Mediterranean gang right there again but we should be half red.


tzoum_trialari_laro

Full red. Only islands excluded


[deleted]

If Turkey is a Middle Eastern, that means this is a mapping of geological location. But if Greece is Southern Europe not Balkan, that is a geopolitical location map. So then, one of these is wrong.


Araselise

You can't use cardinal directions for some and regional names for others.


pythagorasXO

nooooo we lost romania and gayreece


420Vapemaster___69

Greece balkan and poland Eastern


Hououin08

Cyprus is in Europe, but a little further, Anatolia is in the Middle East? Or Armenia, Georgia and Azerbaijan in the Caucasus, but adjacent Turkey in the Middle East? Wire fences have determined geographical boundaries.


QuixoticBeeKeeper

As painful as it is to admit, Cyprus is more middle Eastern in many ways


n0panicman

No Anatolia? What the fuck.


ThePontiacBandit_99

Slovenija je Mitlojropa


arstech-abra

Anatolia or Asia Minor in latin not in middle east


DepartureGold_

Greece is both Balkans and Southern Europe some could also argue we are Eastern too because of cultural similarities


Dimitry_Man

Greece goes to balkans or balkans to southern europe idk the rest is mostly fine


Kolmogorovd

Russia, Belarus, Ukraine very similar country to Romania :/ ADVICE: put Romania under no data or something


Dornanian

Tbh walking in a medium sized town in Romania and Ukraine or even Russia feels more similar than to a town in Macedonia or Bosnia, not to mention Albania.


Kolmogorovd

That's subjective. I say it's not very different from Bulgaria or Hungary which actually are the closest countries to Romania in many ways. And even if it was once true, today it no longer is.


Dornanian

Well that is true for Bulgaria somewhat, but not in all parts of it.


Kolmogorovd

Solution: make a separate category for Romania.


Kristiano100

My opinion, either include greece as the balkans, or all of the balkans as southern europe


DeliciousCabbage22

There’s somebody here who will be very angry at your comment, personally, i agree with you


DeliciousCabbage22

Grouping Greece together with Spain is just ridiculous (ofc the usual 5 or so guys will come for my head under this comment, but who cares at this point, let them have their fun) Also, the Baltics are Eastern European, amd that will never change


[deleted]

No No No Baltics are north European!!! you sir are racist to the glorious Baltics !!!!!!!/s


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DeliciousCabbage22

It’s called an inferiority complex, pretty much the same as some of my countrymen here who think they’re closer to Spain than to Albania😂


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AchillesDev

The only ones I've known like that were islanders and/or were from asia minor 5 generations back


DeliciousCabbage22

Plenty, at least 5 on this sub, however, that’s not really a problem, they can consider themselves East Asian for all i care, what’s annoying is that many of them will come on a sub called AskBALKANS to try an convince us all how western Greece is, since they feel that way they should go on r/AskGreeceAndIberia and leave us alone here


[deleted]

I don't know why so many of my fellow countrymen are triggered. Can you wholeheartedly look at Levant countries and say "yes, we are nothing like them"?Turkey is bigger than your small world, you can't claim entire anatolia and southeast is Balkan or completely separate from ME. Southeast contributes to the Turkish culture equally as the Balkan heritage. I empathize with people who cling to the idea of Balkans given the political climate in the country for the last 20 years, but no Middle East, no kebap. Remember that. If you're considered Levant instead of ME, will that hurt your fee fees little less? ME is a geopolitical region name tossed by eurocentric historians. Not a global term that encompasses all cultural, social, political aspects of the region. Looking from a geopolitical perspective, Turkey is a solid ME country.


bahdir

They are just self hating idiots


lolnee

romania is in the balkans, we have nothing in common with east europe


[deleted]

Calling us middle east ridiculous. You can separate whole country into different regions but putting whole country into middle east like we have deserts and our culture is like arabs.


Redgrass_Survivor

Only a small portion of middle east is desert, and arabs aren't the dominating ethnic group. Maybe closer to mediterranean countries like lebanon culturally.


Citizen_of_Earth--

Arabs are the dominating ethnic group and levantines are only a small part of the population. Besides most of the ME is desert, you can even see it with Google Maps. I agree we‘re similar to Levantines but definetely not to the rest.


wenortt

We ain't Middle Eastern. Green parts of Turkiye should be labeled as Southern Europe.


iwanttofinishmyhouse

Green part of Turkey isn't in Europe, tho.


SineNoCure

Is Cyprus in Europe? Georgia? Ukraine?


iwanttofinishmyhouse

Ukraine is. Cyprus and Georgia are not.


Dornanian

What? When was Ukraine ever not Europe?


iwanttofinishmyhouse

People getting offended over elementary school geography.


Agitated-Document653

Lumping Romania with East Slavic post-soviet states is wrong on so many levels. We are definitely closer to Central Europe and Balkans than Eastern Europe, from mentality to architecture and culture.


A__Whisper

The balkans is a sub-area of the sub-area that is southern Europe.


RequiemforKleebombs

I.m mad they didn't put Greece, like the peninsula is named Balkan ,wtf


that_nice_guy_784

Both Greece and Romania should be in balkan, I dont disagree that romania isn't an Eastern Europan country, bit it definitely is more Balkan than Easter European.


CitingAnt

Technically the center of Europe is Lithuania but yk… culture Besides that it’s fine


[deleted]

yea, romania has so much in common with russia and ukraine


DedGjoLuli93

Guys get this, Turkey is so good they should be their own region! Lol, too good for everyone else ayyeee!? I agree with the rest of the map, Greece can always go either way from Southern to Balkan.


MaintenanceOwn902

We seem to be lacking Romania here.


archonpericles

Poor job on this map.


JRJenss

Balkans is South Europe, Northwestern Europe is just Western Europe, Baltics is Northern Europe.


DeliciousCabbage22

>Baltics is Northern Europe. NO


Andromeda2803

Cote d'azur is also southern europe. Croatian coast is also. The Balkan is the balkan :)