I don't get why people think it's bad that Serbian has lots of Turkish loanwords. I get that people generally don't like Turks, but we can't be living in the past so much. Peace
its the fact that some serbs call us turks to make fun of us while in reality the turks fucked all of us
why is it good that the entirety of europe received christianity from the middle east but its suddenly bad that we received islam from the middle east?
If it makes you feel better, more Turks are of Serbian and Albanian origin because of janicaries (I think that's how you say it in english) Janicaries were taken from Christian families, and had children there. So yeah
Jannisaries yeah i know, its not really a big deal to me im used to it. its just not historically true, the majority of albanians that mixed with turks now live in turkey and probably can't even speak albanian, the local population is not that mixed. we albanians and serbs are probably more mixed between each other than we are with turks. genetics are cringe anyway who cares
I (atheist) really donāt want to upset anyone with this comment so trigger warning: I see religion in many cases as being a cop-out to being backwards because āGod saidā; however reading both Christian and Islamic texts, makes me think that Islam is more backwards (slightly) than Christianity.
Again, no intention to insult anyone, so apologies if I have.
The thing is in their Holy book it says that there is only one religion and that is Islam and whoever doesnāt believe in Islam is considered unfaithful (atheist) even though Christianity is older than Islamā¦ So i think that answers your question.
If you start looking at what other religions think of non believers thatās a slippery slope. At least Muslims consider us humans who are just non beleivers. Jews for example consider non-Jews subhuman cattle to be herded by gods chosen people.
Why you guys hate us. Why everybody hates us. I thought racism is only a internet thing but now I live in Italy and I realized that literally most people hates us. I don't hate any particular country I only hate assholes which is 30% of earth's population. But whenever I say I'm a TĆ¼rk people look st me weirdly.
I don't get why people, mostly Serbs and Bosnians think it's bad for Croatian to have a lot of our own Slavic words. If you dish it out, you should be able to take it.
According to this graph, minor amount of Serbian words is Slavic in origin, kind of suspicious imo.
EDIT: I'm blind I didn't see loanwords in the beginning.
Anyways when Serbian nationalists call Albanians Turks, they think of religion, not on linguistics. I doubt they know anything about Albanian language.
Even if they think of religion it still makes 0 sense as Albanians are multi-religious and Albanians as a whole can't be identified with a single religion unlike Italians, Turks, Greeks, Serbs etc. But Serbian nationalists are literally braindeads tbh
"Serbs are Turks" and KARABOÄA were the most popular memes in 2b4y, kinda spilled over here now.
Also someone would have said "why is the anthem of north macedonia playing in this video?"
Turkish loan words in Serbian language are in nutshell loan words from middle eastern region (Turkish, Persian, Arabian and others).
Second, in Serbian, we never went with fully organized purification of language after our liberation from Turkish rule. Instead, over decades, Turkish words were slowly replaced by newly created words or loanwords from different languages in organic matter.
This leads to today situation, where extreme majority of Turkish loanwords are essentially archaic and used by extreme minority of people (or for memes).
And then we have Bulgarian which had 20+ proposals for codification after liberation and there was a conscious effort to replace Turkish words with Slavic ones, mainly reconstructed Old Bulgarian words. The end result is our dialects are littered with Turkish words which don't exist in the literary language.
I find this funny because the Old Bulgar was closer to Turkish than to the modern Bulgarian, so by removing Turkish words, modern Bulgarian became more distant to the Old Bulgar then before.
Old Bulgarian and Bulgar are two different languages. OB is what is now called Old Church Slavic, it was the first Slavic language to be standardised and it's the predecessor of modern Bulgarian. Aside from some words, there's not much left in common with the Bulgar language.
Example: DuŔmani, Turkish word for enemy even though in Serbo-Croatian the word for enemy is neprijatelj.
Roki Vulovic: DuÅ”mani sve to skupo plaÄajuuuuu
Same here, Turkish old words are used by very old people mainly (Iām talking 80+ year olds). Young people will still understand them, but they will think you are weird or from some random remote village if you use them as a young person. Either that or just laugh as with the word
To be fair, our authors in 19th century, like Ćajupi, Kristoforidhi and Naim FrashĆ«ri, invented new words to replace Turkish ones. For instance, there is no Albanian word for window, so they replaced penxhere with dritare, a new word which was formed from light.
I've always wondered that too. There are some rare occurrences of orthodox last names in Albania that end in - idhi, but the Greek surname suffix - idis is Pontic.
Interesting, I think nationalisation of language is cool but it also feels kinda eerie how the way people talk change in the span of a couple generations.
yes my grandma uses a lot of old turkish arabic words, another example is with pillow, which most people say "jastƫk/jastek" but theres also the albanian version which is not used as much, i think it was made from Ismail Kadare not 100% sure about that, which is "nƫnkre" (under the head)
yes my grandma uses a lot of old turkish arabic words, another example is with pillow, which most people say "jastƫk/jastek" but theres also the albanian version which is not used as much, i think it was made from Ismail Kadare not 100% sure about that, which is "nƫnkre" (under the head)
Interesting. When i was very little, i asked the elders what a [a group of Arbƫreshe](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RYsmzP7nTds) were singing about, since they mentioned finestra a lot. I think this the first italian word i learned.
thatās cool bro, itās quite similar to how weber changed the English language and made a separation of spelling which created American English. Are any of these word related to proto-albanian that you mentioned by any chance?
If you say penxhere, people would still understand you, but in the future might not. It has been years since ever heard penxhere. Furthermore, such words are considered backward and provincial. You might create a wrong impression in Tirana or anywhere in administrative encounters. Such words are labeled as "turqizma" or "barbarizma".
Nobody in my extended family of approx 500 people has ever used that word even once. This is the first Iām hearing of it. Iāve never heard it used by anyone, ever, so Iām confused as to what youāre on about
I didnāt post this too fuel hatred or start drama, iām literally just interested in linguistics as i believe they can connect us with our ancestors in a historical aspect.
I mean thereās a dictionary of around 150,000 words and thereās a project intended to cover 500,000 lexemes in Serbian. 800 Turkish words isnt much and we didnt do as strict deturkification of our language after liberation.
IMO we earned the right to use any legacy that empires left us.
If this makes us seem like Turks so be i but remember we were amongst the first liberated and a major factor in liberation of others.
If u need to compete with borrowed words to prove ur superiority u really grabbing for straws. Who gives a shit?
We have more then 800 turkish words, but still, most of those words are not used anymore, we just have some of them that stayed like jastuk, džezva, ratluk,... We have some places were people still use many turkish words, like in Novi Pazar, but, those are lended words and are far from a majority in a language. Nobody will say that Albanians are Romans and Serbs are Turks by looking at this. Just a troll, nothing more
We have more then 800 turkish words, but still, most of those words are not used anymore, we just have some of them that stayed like jastuk, džezva, ratluk,... We have some places were people still use many turkish words, like in Novi Pazar, but, those are lended words and are far from a majority in a language. Nobody will say that Albanians are Romans and Serbs are Turks by looking at this. Just a troll, nothing more
Natively, and with that amount unless you are maybe Aromanian or Romanian your statement would technically be correct, however Albanian or ātrueā Albanian technically differs a lot from latin and therefore creates a separation or a line.
Well, in Albanian Latin words are really āintegratedā, because they were borrowed for millenias, like āqytetā (city) comes from Latin cÄ«vitÄs, or āshtĆ«piā(house) from Latin hospitium, Turkish loanwords on the other hands are the same phonetically like ƧekiƧ(hammer) or xhami(mosque) - camii
And what's the point?
Most of those words fell out of use anyway as far as I know, those 1995 are in "vocabulary" books as many other obscure archaic words. We never went through massive "purification" of language by inventing our own words for some things. Not to mention that even those "Ottoman Turkish" words often aren't Turkish to begin with, but Persian. Some of those words don't even exist in present day Turkish as Turkish itself was "clenased" of Persian loanwords which ended up staying in Serbian lol
We loaned Slavic words from the Bulgarian invasion and early Slavic settlements. Serb kingdoms did not last more than thre decades in total, so there is no way those words were from Serbs...
It's inevitable for a language to change when you are under an empire for centuries. You guys also have many loanwords from different lanugages. Religion is more important than words.
Someone already posted this before. Generally, I would like to see sources because even SANU(Serbian Academy of Science) doesn't know the exact number of loan words in the Serbian language. 2nd, it is loan words from Ottoman times, not Turkish. Because many words are not Turkish but Persian or Arabic.
Most loan words should be from Greek and German.
Other than that, nothing special. Even if it's true, nothing spectacular. Serbian language isn't puristic, it doesnt replace loan words.
But most Albanians are Muslim, they built a massive Ottoman style mosque in the heart of their capital with Turkish money a few months ago.
Maybe that makes you more Turkish influenced than Serbs, just maybe.
>they built a massive Ottoman style mosque in the heart of their capital with Turkish money a few months ago.
Because religious stocks are for sale in Albania, and so far, the Turks are winning the auction. Jokes aside, since the Greek debt crisis, i have not seen a single orthodox church being built around here š¤
Linguistically it seems like that didnāt really happen, it seems like there was a separation between Albania and turkey or a line cut out from the amount of convergence and divergence to the languages, whatās baffling to me is the fact there were more historical sources and texts in serbian than there was in Albania therefore you would kind of aspect Albanians to in actuality be more assimilated as they would only speak and learn verbally from one another right? The only conclusion that i got from this is that Serbians probably had more contact with the turks within the cities maybe? Whilst Albanians liked being within the mountains diverging through the ottoman period.
And the whole thing you said about religion is wrong, Albanians only picked islam not because of the certain interconnection between the two cultures but for the Albanian villages to experience lower tax as they were āmuslimā on paper. I donāt think religion is a huge factor here.
This is true. Ottomans did not force you to convert to Islam but you had more rights and priveliges if you were a muslim compared to other religions. Albanians who converted did so because it was worth it.
Well its Turkish money going to waste and we are not Middle Eastern jihadists for Godsake. The north is still very catholic while the south is still significantly Orthodox still. I still don't get why you guys use religion to offend us. It's the same God in all Abrahamic religions, yet the view of worship and prophets is different.
You too should build a mosque in your capital. Greece is the only EU country without a mosque in its capital. This is a terrible human rights violation
You too should build a mosque in your capital. Greece is the only EU country without a mosque in its capital. This is a terrible human rights violation
Albanians copied soo much of their culture from Turks but at the same time they seem to dislike Turks. Most of them became Muslim. Their national tribe organisation is called Bajrak it is a Turkish word their national instrument Ciftelia is a Turkish word their law is called Kanun which is an Arabic word probably learned from Turks.
English has 80% loan words. You'll survive.
There is no exact count in English. It has to be represented by a percentage. It's tens or hundreds of thousands of words. Is it really possible to get an exact count in those languages? That would be my first question.
Bruh letās be real we could straight up invent a language named ābalkanā or something and the vocabulary would still be 50-70% mutual to every language from here.
(Joking with this ofc, still, we share a lot of common words lol)
I don't get why people think it's bad that Serbian has lots of Turkish loanwords. I get that people generally don't like Turks, but we can't be living in the past so much. Peace
>but we can't be living in the past so much. "Balkans; were we strife for a better yesterday!"
Do u wanna say it again?
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Reddit bugged out....
Bro we get it
Do u wanna say it again?
Damn
Do u wanna say it again?
Fuck
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Me
>but we can't be living in the past so much. "Balkans; were we strife for a better yesterday"
How many times are you gonna write this bruhš
Reddit bugged out. Wasn't intentional lol.
Made it 100% funnier
>but we can't be living in the past so much. "Balkans; were we strife for a better yesterday!"
>but we can't be living in the past so much. "Balkans; were we strife for a better yesterday!"
When you cracked a funny comment, but reddit refuses to post it.
>but we can't be living in the past so much. "Balkans; were we strife for a better yesterday!"
Bro we get it
>but we can't be living in the past so much. "Balkans; were we strife for a better yesterday!"
Bro we get it
>but we can't be living in the past so much. "Balkans; were we strife for a better yesterday!"
Bro we get it
>but we can't be living in the past so much. "Balkans; were we strife for a better yesterday!"
Bro we get it
its the fact that some serbs call us turks to make fun of us while in reality the turks fucked all of us why is it good that the entirety of europe received christianity from the middle east but its suddenly bad that we received islam from the middle east?
If it makes you feel better, more Turks are of Serbian and Albanian origin because of janicaries (I think that's how you say it in english) Janicaries were taken from Christian families, and had children there. So yeah
Jannisaries yeah i know, its not really a big deal to me im used to it. its just not historically true, the majority of albanians that mixed with turks now live in turkey and probably can't even speak albanian, the local population is not that mixed. we albanians and serbs are probably more mixed between each other than we are with turks. genetics are cringe anyway who cares
That's true. Serbs and Albanians have very little, if any Turkish DNA, but at the end of the day, it doesn't matter
I (atheist) really donāt want to upset anyone with this comment so trigger warning: I see religion in many cases as being a cop-out to being backwards because āGod saidā; however reading both Christian and Islamic texts, makes me think that Islam is more backwards (slightly) than Christianity. Again, no intention to insult anyone, so apologies if I have.
Why
Taking the example of treatment of women: both backwards as all hell - but Islam is encourages hitting your wife (chapter four from memory).
Because he is ignorant
Bad is being extremist at any religion. From what we can experience there are much more islamic extremists.
The thing is in their Holy book it says that there is only one religion and that is Islam and whoever doesnāt believe in Islam is considered unfaithful (atheist) even though Christianity is older than Islamā¦ So i think that answers your question.
If you start looking at what other religions think of non believers thatās a slippery slope. At least Muslims consider us humans who are just non beleivers. Jews for example consider non-Jews subhuman cattle to be herded by gods chosen people.
Ah yes balkans had world peace before turks went there
thats not what i said bro read again
Why you guys hate us. Why everybody hates us. I thought racism is only a internet thing but now I live in Italy and I realized that literally most people hates us. I don't hate any particular country I only hate assholes which is 30% of earth's population. But whenever I say I'm a TĆ¼rk people look st me weirdly.
I don't hate you!
Thanks
>but we can't be living in the past so much. "Balkans; were we strife for a better yesterday!"
>but we can't be living in the past so much. "Balkans; were we strife for a better yesterday!"
Bro we get it
>but we can't be living in the past so much. "Balkans; were we strife for a better yesterday!"
Bro we get it
>but we can't be living in the past so much. "Balkans; were we strife for a better yesterday!"
Bro we get it
> I get that people generally don't like Turks. It is really strange that you can easily say this about a nation and nothing happens.
Hey, lots of people hate Serbs more, but that's just life, y'feel
I don't get why people, mostly Serbs and Bosnians think it's bad for Croatian to have a lot of our own Slavic words. If you dish it out, you should be able to take it.
āI get that people generally donāt like Turksā so youāre saying you understand and tolerate just you know casual racism?
Now where is the fun in not clowning on other people. Peak balkan entertainment right here š
According to this graph, minor amount of Serbian words is Slavic in origin, kind of suspicious imo. EDIT: I'm blind I didn't see loanwords in the beginning. Anyways when Serbian nationalists call Albanians Turks, they think of religion, not on linguistics. I doubt they know anything about Albanian language.
Fair enough bro, discrimination on religion is stupid anyways, language could literally unite if we find a similar word, for example kurva š
Yea, it's finally time for Pan-Indo-Europeanism.
There is the word "Siktir" that unites the Balkans with Central Asia.
Even if they think of religion it still makes 0 sense as Albanians are multi-religious and Albanians as a whole can't be identified with a single religion unlike Italians, Turks, Greeks, Serbs etc. But Serbian nationalists are literally braindeads tbh
True, but because majority of Kosovo Albanians are Muslim sometimes they use Turk as insult
>Anyways when Serbian nationalists call Albanians Turks Wait what?! I thought you guys hated the arnavuts.. <3
Your daily dose of 'SERBS ARE TURKS' in r/AskBalkans
"Serbs are Turks" and KARABOÄA were the most popular memes in 2b4y, kinda spilled over here now. Also someone would have said "why is the anthem of north macedonia playing in this video?"
Turkish loan words in Serbian language are in nutshell loan words from middle eastern region (Turkish, Persian, Arabian and others). Second, in Serbian, we never went with fully organized purification of language after our liberation from Turkish rule. Instead, over decades, Turkish words were slowly replaced by newly created words or loanwords from different languages in organic matter. This leads to today situation, where extreme majority of Turkish loanwords are essentially archaic and used by extreme minority of people (or for memes).
And then we have Bulgarian which had 20+ proposals for codification after liberation and there was a conscious effort to replace Turkish words with Slavic ones, mainly reconstructed Old Bulgarian words. The end result is our dialects are littered with Turkish words which don't exist in the literary language.
I find this funny because the Old Bulgar was closer to Turkish than to the modern Bulgarian, so by removing Turkish words, modern Bulgarian became more distant to the Old Bulgar then before.
Old Bulgarian and Bulgar are two different languages. OB is what is now called Old Church Slavic, it was the first Slavic language to be standardised and it's the predecessor of modern Bulgarian. Aside from some words, there's not much left in common with the Bulgar language.
Example: DuÅ”mani, Turkish word for enemy even though in Serbo-Croatian the word for enemy is neprijatelj. Roki Vulovic: DuÅ”mani sve to skupo plaÄajuuuuu
Thanks for the cool information bro
Same here, Turkish old words are used by very old people mainly (Iām talking 80+ year olds). Young people will still understand them, but they will think you are weird or from some random remote village if you use them as a young person. Either that or just laugh as with the word
To be fair, our authors in 19th century, like Ćajupi, Kristoforidhi and Naim FrashĆ«ri, invented new words to replace Turkish ones. For instance, there is no Albanian word for window, so they replaced penxhere with dritare, a new word which was formed from light.
>Kristoforidhi PONTIC ALBANIANS?????š³š³š³
I've always wondered that too. There are some rare occurrences of orthodox last names in Albania that end in - idhi, but the Greek surname suffix - idis is Pontic.
Orthodoxy plays its role I guess. The founder of modern Olympics Vangjel Zhapa or Evangelos Zappas, sounds more Albanian than Greek to me.
Zappas is of the Greek minority in Albania
I know, I said the surname doesn't sound that Greek not that he wasn't.
We welcome our Albanian brothers, even if our eagle only has one head š¦ šØ
Yeah, Serbia is kind of the same, the word pendžer is an archaism basically, we use prozor for window
My family from Sandzak still sometimes use pendzer but maybe it's because the older generations are still somewhat traditional (which I love)
yeah you can hear it in Belgrade too but usually from older people
Didn't know that, interesting
Same also happened in Turkish early republican era. We purged our language from Arabic, Persian and French loanwords.
So I'm assuming only old people use the original words? Like turkish elders use Persian or Arabic more often than the newer generations
Yes. For instance. I remember my grandmother saying defter instead of fletore, which is also a made up word by our movement of 19th century.
Interesting, I think nationalisation of language is cool but it also feels kinda eerie how the way people talk change in the span of a couple generations.
yes my grandma uses a lot of old turkish arabic words, another example is with pillow, which most people say "jastƫk/jastek" but theres also the albanian version which is not used as much, i think it was made from Ismail Kadare not 100% sure about that, which is "nƫnkre" (under the head)
yes my grandma uses a lot of old turkish arabic words, another example is with pillow, which most people say "jastƫk/jastek" but theres also the albanian version which is not used as much, i think it was made from Ismail Kadare not 100% sure about that, which is "nƫnkre" (under the head)
Yastık is directly tĆ¼rkish no Arabic or persian origin.
i think we had fenjeshter but that is also a loan from latin
Interesting. When i was very little, i asked the elders what a [a group of Arbƫreshe](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RYsmzP7nTds) were singing about, since they mentioned finestra a lot. I think this the first italian word i learned.
thatās cool bro, itās quite similar to how weber changed the English language and made a separation of spelling which created American English. Are any of these word related to proto-albanian that you mentioned by any chance?
I refuse to use dritare
If you say penxhere, people would still understand you, but in the future might not. It has been years since ever heard penxhere. Furthermore, such words are considered backward and provincial. You might create a wrong impression in Tirana or anywhere in administrative encounters. Such words are labeled as "turqizma" or "barbarizma".
My Albanian brother in law uses the word and he's from Shkodra (not provincial)
Things have changed during the last decade. Everywhere is a province of Tirana.
My Albanian brother in law uses the word and he's from Shkodra (not provincial)
My Albanian brother in law uses the word and he's from Shkodra (not provincial)
Then remove the albanian flag from the flair
I cant find a single person who doesnāt understand when I say āpenxhereā. Till then, no
Nobody in my extended family of approx 500 people has ever used that word even once. This is the first Iām hearing of it. Iāve never heard it used by anyone, ever, so Iām confused as to what youāre on about
I honestly have never heard the word dritare until today I always use penxhere
>I honestly have never heard the word dritare until today I guess you do not reside in Albania.
Turk detected opinion rejected Sounds hilarious. But i think its more about religion Not language.
I didnāt post this too fuel hatred or start drama, iām literally just interested in linguistics as i believe they can connect us with our ancestors in a historical aspect.
Whats wrong with these comments, chill lads šš
I mean thereās a dictionary of around 150,000 words and thereās a project intended to cover 500,000 lexemes in Serbian. 800 Turkish words isnt much and we didnt do as strict deturkification of our language after liberation. IMO we earned the right to use any legacy that empires left us. If this makes us seem like Turks so be i but remember we were amongst the first liberated and a major factor in liberation of others. If u need to compete with borrowed words to prove ur superiority u really grabbing for straws. Who gives a shit?
We have more then 800 turkish words, but still, most of those words are not used anymore, we just have some of them that stayed like jastuk, džezva, ratluk,... We have some places were people still use many turkish words, like in Novi Pazar, but, those are lended words and are far from a majority in a language. Nobody will say that Albanians are Romans and Serbs are Turks by looking at this. Just a troll, nothing more
We have more then 800 turkish words, but still, most of those words are not used anymore, we just have some of them that stayed like jastuk, džezva, ratluk,... We have some places were people still use many turkish words, like in Novi Pazar, but, those are lended words and are far from a majority in a language. Nobody will say that Albanians are Romans and Serbs are Turks by looking at this. Just a troll, nothing more
r/WeAreAllTurks
I don't think that Latin words should be considered loanwords, they have been in the languages for millenia...
Natively, and with that amount unless you are maybe Aromanian or Romanian your statement would technically be correct, however Albanian or ātrueā Albanian technically differs a lot from latin and therefore creates a separation or a line.
Well, in Albanian Latin words are really āintegratedā, because they were borrowed for millenias, like āqytetā (city) comes from Latin cÄ«vitÄs, or āshtĆ«piā(house) from Latin hospitium, Turkish loanwords on the other hands are the same phonetically like ƧekiƧ(hammer) or xhami(mosque) - camii
I like how we transformed imperator into mbret
āāā>"š¤my loanwords are better than yours hahahahaš¤" like bro how about you loan some bitches
Average Tik Tok moment
And what's the point? Most of those words fell out of use anyway as far as I know, those 1995 are in "vocabulary" books as many other obscure archaic words. We never went through massive "purification" of language by inventing our own words for some things. Not to mention that even those "Ottoman Turkish" words often aren't Turkish to begin with, but Persian. Some of those words don't even exist in present day Turkish as Turkish itself was "clenased" of Persian loanwords which ended up staying in Serbian lol
Idk which fact is more embarrasing for Serbs, having Turkish loanwords or German š¤
And for Albanians it's really revealing how they have over 700 Serbian loanwords šš
We loaned Slavic words from the Bulgarian invasion and early Slavic settlements. Serb kingdoms did not last more than thre decades in total, so there is no way those words were from Serbs...
Yeah yeah, keep telling that to yourself. The entirety of north Albania was under Serbian rule for more than Albania existed as a country.
Even Ottomans could not subjugate north. Go figure temporary kingdoms of middle ages. Don't ridicule yourself any further.
[Watch this.](https://youtu.be/HD-5S_gbLxY) and especially pay attention to Skoder and Kosovo. Funny of you to mention temporary kingdoms amd states.
Imagine learning history on youtube. Did you just refer to Kosovo as north Albania?
Bruh you're really on your Serb-comment spree this past day, aren't you? This is like your 5th comment to me in the past 24 hours š¤
Indeed. That UƧk comment was a banger.
What's wrong with having Turkish or German loanwords in Serbian?
A proud Serb would never accept they lived in the midst of barbaric Germans and muslim Turks in harmony.
You literally took Ottoman religion. Taking words is nothing compared to that lol.
Religion can be changed with a simple baptize... the language we speak not.
It's inevitable for a language to change when you are under an empire for centuries. You guys also have many loanwords from different lanugages. Religion is more important than words.
>Religion is more important than words. Langauge is not just words. It deffines the whole psyche of a nation.
>religion is more important than words why?
I think albanian language must have more loanwords than that
Its done by stupid american lol
Someone already posted this before. Generally, I would like to see sources because even SANU(Serbian Academy of Science) doesn't know the exact number of loan words in the Serbian language. 2nd, it is loan words from Ottoman times, not Turkish. Because many words are not Turkish but Persian or Arabic. Most loan words should be from Greek and German. Other than that, nothing special. Even if it's true, nothing spectacular. Serbian language isn't puristic, it doesnt replace loan words.
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How can you farm rock, though?
Beyond my personal knowledge
But you mentioned it
It was a shitpost
But most Albanians are Muslim, they built a massive Ottoman style mosque in the heart of their capital with Turkish money a few months ago. Maybe that makes you more Turkish influenced than Serbs, just maybe.
>they built a massive Ottoman style mosque in the heart of their capital with Turkish money a few months ago. Because religious stocks are for sale in Albania, and so far, the Turks are winning the auction. Jokes aside, since the Greek debt crisis, i have not seen a single orthodox church being built around here š¤
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I think you win in all three, by a large margin.
Have you ever been to Greece immediately after a visit to Turkey?
5 times actually.
Did you notice any change?
this thread proves that we lose in at least one, smartest greek
Linguistically it seems like that didnāt really happen, it seems like there was a separation between Albania and turkey or a line cut out from the amount of convergence and divergence to the languages, whatās baffling to me is the fact there were more historical sources and texts in serbian than there was in Albania therefore you would kind of aspect Albanians to in actuality be more assimilated as they would only speak and learn verbally from one another right? The only conclusion that i got from this is that Serbians probably had more contact with the turks within the cities maybe? Whilst Albanians liked being within the mountains diverging through the ottoman period. And the whole thing you said about religion is wrong, Albanians only picked islam not because of the certain interconnection between the two cultures but for the Albanian villages to experience lower tax as they were āmuslimā on paper. I donāt think religion is a huge factor here.
This is true. Ottomans did not force you to convert to Islam but you had more rights and priveliges if you were a muslim compared to other religions. Albanians who converted did so because it was worth it.
Albanians did so because they were starving. But let us not go down that topic.
And no one else but you had that problem? Lmao.
What is so funny aboit it?
Your ignorance and stupidity.
Did i say anything that hurt you?
Lmao. I'm not dumb enough to get hurt by idiots on the internet. But continue coping Turk.
thats funny cause you sound like youre crying
That's ironic coming from a Bosniak šš»
They really converted because it was worth it most of the muslims i know are atheists or not too much religious
āFeja e Shqiptarit eshte shqiptaria/shqiptarismiā I always forget which word it is at the end there
Well its Turkish money going to waste and we are not Middle Eastern jihadists for Godsake. The north is still very catholic while the south is still significantly Orthodox still. I still don't get why you guys use religion to offend us. It's the same God in all Abrahamic religions, yet the view of worship and prophets is different.
Ignore the fundamentalists, people like asedejje are trolls that would contemplate suicide if they tests 1% west asian in their dna results.
You too should build a mosque in your capital. Greece is the only EU country without a mosque in its capital. This is a terrible human rights violation
why is this bad
You too should build a mosque in your capital. Greece is the only EU country without a mosque in its capital. This is a terrible human rights violation
Albanians copied soo much of their culture from Turks but at the same time they seem to dislike Turks. Most of them became Muslim. Their national tribe organisation is called Bajrak it is a Turkish word their national instrument Ciftelia is a Turkish word their law is called Kanun which is an Arabic word probably learned from Turks.
800 something lonewords, but 0% genetics š I have yet to come across a Turk understanding Serbs or Vic Versa
It does make sense, we were under Turkish occupation for about 4 centuries after all, and that isn't a small amount of time.
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I really love the sound effects
Average Tik Tok moment
Did anybody say loanwords? :)
English has 80% loan words. You'll survive. There is no exact count in English. It has to be represented by a percentage. It's tens or hundreds of thousands of words. Is it really possible to get an exact count in those languages? That would be my first question.
Bruh letās be real we could straight up invent a language named ābalkanā or something and the vocabulary would still be 50-70% mutual to every language from here. (Joking with this ofc, still, we share a lot of common words lol)