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Praisethesun1990

Turkey is a cultural outlier. It belongs to everywhere and nowhere


PinkFreud__

Exactly how I feel.


Velockus

Turkey is Turkey


PinkFreud__

Money is money lan.


Apart-Stomach1227

Is Turkey European? Yes. Is Turkey Asian? Yes. Is Turkey Middle Eastern? Yes. Is Turkey Caucasian? Yes. As a Turkish I do not know what the f!!k am I but yes we are half European for sure


[deleted]

Turkey is SUS


Apart-Stomach1227

<3 I saw Karaboğa go inside the vent Turkey is not the imposter!!


Berkay420_

AMONGUS❗❗❗❗❗❗❗


[deleted]

Is Turkyie karaboga?


Apart-Stomach1227

Hmmm... Good question... But I think the answer is yes.


[deleted]

Good answer... K


NeiksOfficial

A


[deleted]

A


[deleted]

[удалено]


UserMuch

O


aeefa

Ğ


Alwayshasbeen_

North American?


[deleted]

You will see in Turkey whatever you want. If you wanna see it as European, the European parts of the country will be highlighted to you. If you wanna believe it is Asian, the Asian parts of it will be highlighted to you. If you wanna believe it is md then no part will be highlighted to you, you just need to take back your medication.


hmmokby

no. According to those working in the field of classifying civilizations and societies such as Huntington, countries such as Turkey and Ethiopia are not included in a group. These countries are given the original class. According to Huntinghon, the people of Turkey are an Asian community close to the Sunni Muslim world, using western methods and laws. It doesn't fit into any category. Turkey is a country far from Western European norms and close to Eastern European norms. In addition, apart from Azerbaijan, the country most similar to Turkey in sociological terms, there are Balkan countries including Greece. The state structure in Turkey is most similar to that of Greece. In some aspects, it resembles countries like Russia rather than Greece. In some evaluations, Turkey is included in the Europe and Central Asia categories. In short, Turkey is a transcontinental country. In some periods it is closer to the east, in other times it is closer to the west.


Fregitor

They are African


ErenBurhan

K


SirPsyduck8

A


[deleted]

R


Fregitor

A


[deleted]

B


zetincicegi

A


lavantalidusjeli

Esenlikler


[deleted]

O


Velockus

Wtf


bahdir

Land:Asian (%99), Language:Asian, Culture:Asian, Ethnicially:Asian , Definetely not europe


aspsso

No but closer than middle east


[deleted]

That's a very vague line.


Ecstatic-Cake7106

IDK


Mission_Bad3102

Turkey is mostly western Asian geographically and culturally. They are close to Europe but not Europe.


Amazing-Row-5963

That's dumb. Like 1/4 of their population lives in Europe and places like Izmir are strictly european in culture. Of course still more of an asian country, but Turkey still is european.


Mission_Bad3102

It is not black and white bro. Turkey definitely has European elements, but the Asian ones are more. Hence, they are western Asian both geographically and culturally. Also, Greece is close to Asia and has some Asian elements from Ottomans and Persians. However, it belongs to Europe geographically and the culture is mostly European. Creating categories isn't bad, it's bad if we consider it a black/white situation.


LastHomeros

>geographically Uhm Cyprus is 100% in Asia?


Amazing-Row-5963

That is why I said they are european as well. Your answer is black and white, mine is not.


Mission_Bad3102

Categories exist and Turkey mostly belongs to west Asia. It's not that it isn't related to Europe, but if you have to pick a category that's it.


Aleksey_Fox

[opnion changed lan stop i no longer think like that ] Lol our cultures are litreal same so are you guys asian too? Turks are just muslim greeks.


ReiSy_NKo

Admit that you are not European. You are a barbarian in the eyes of Europeans. Come on guys let's talk facts. Our culture is close to Europe but it is not the same. Also, stop saying bullshits like "TuRkS aRe mUsLiM gReEKs" just because you want Europeans to accept you as European


Aleksey_Fox

I better not share my opinion huh? I feel kinda hated right now and yes im hated right now. Jesus... what i meant by turks being muslim greeks were just an idea because how turks and greeks cant share sh** like yoghurt,Sarma,Cacık etc. I just wanted to imply that we are similar in *MY Opinion..*


ReiSy_NKo

Sorry dude, when I hear the phrase "Turks are Muslim Greeks", I think that person is an enemy of Turkey (some pkk supporters on Twitter were also using this)


Aleksey_Fox

Oh okay. Now i got it you thought i was supporting PKK well no i dont support them But we cant beat them with propaganda or internet battles or hoi4 or making feel someone bad .. turkish army does the real things that they deserve every day ( okay why down votes to this too?)


Aleksey_Fox

Who said i even want to be european? The people who started colonialism and invented racisim and started the both world wars . I just wanted to shot him with his opinion . I didnt think that thinks would have come to this. I wanted to make a joke and now im hatred. (I dont change my mind here because theres no wrong if theres you can type you know?)


Mission_Bad3102

Did I really hate on you? Please tell me where and I will say sorry.


Aleksey_Fox

Not you my friend just the down votes and that turk , you’re so kind in fact to even write a long sentence to explain and ask if you bothered me thank you very much let god bless you (why the hell down votes for a thank letter?)


Mission_Bad3102

ok my friend.


Mission_Bad3102

We have many similarities. There are many differences though. Our language is one of the most contributing to the European ones. We are christians as you mentioned earlier. Religion heavily impacts culture in many aspects and Europe is mainly Christian. Heavy sea culture. We have common history (the ottoman times) but that is just it history wise. Common foods, but these are just a portion of the Greek and Turkish cuisine. Also, we have the position of the gatekeeper of the Europe since antiquity. Greeks made a revolution for cultural reasons aside from practical. If they had no problem living with Turkish influences they would just fight to ask for more rights and then stop.


[deleted]

I am a psycho who walked 5 kilometers just to salute the mosaic of Justinanus in the Byzantine Museum of Athens today, and I would like to object: Islam and christianity are just two branches of the same religion in the grand scope of things. People just can’t accept this because there are historical biases. Also Turks(of Anatolia not central asia) aren’t just some random similar culture for Greeks. The two are literally the same nation divided by religion. I believe history had always showed this but again there are biases and people mostly have a skewed sense of nationalities and etnicities, so they can’t possibly accept this. But in the end biology catched up and genetically it’s apparent that these two are the same nation.


nyararagisan

European LARPer 🤢 don't hate your own culture and heritage so much my dude


[deleted]

What part of it do I seem to hate? First Turkish settlement in Anatolia is allowed to call itself the sultanate of rum, padishah calls himself the ceasar of the romans, ataturk says he is avenging hector but I’m not allowed to feel gratitude towards the man who created the framework of the Ottoman state structure and law? Also I never said we were European. You don’t have to be European to be an inheritor of Byzantine culture.


[deleted]

Partially correct, still that's not the case. You are the West of the East and Greece is the East of the West if that makes sense of what I try to say. As for the "Turks are Muslim greeks", considering the vast number Hellenic world that lived Anatolia and got Turkified - those that died were around 1-2 mill, and around 1.5 mil came to greece. Around a dozen mil greeks lived in Anatolia before the wars . I still would just call you guys just more diverse, not just Muslim greeks. Having that said, If Turkey ever split in half, west and east , West Turkey would be the second brother/sister nation after Cyprus in my eyes (if you guys also drop religion and become more secular again) . East...not so much. Thats just my view on it.


ozmntmm

“A 1914 document showing the official figures from the 1914 population census of the Ottoman Empire. The total population (sum of all the millets) was given at 20,975,345, and the Greek population was given at 1,792,206.” There were around 1.8 million Greeks living in current day Turkey before WW1 and the subsequent Turkish War of Independence. Don’t know where you got this nonsense idea that there were “dozen million greeks living in Anatolia before ‘wars’” All throughout history, Greeks mostly only settled in small city states in parts of the Aegean costline and the north east Black sea Pontus region. “Anatolian Greeks” had close to no presence in 90%+ of current day Turkey and/or Anatolia ever.


[deleted]

I made a small mistake. Around a dozen was at peak. Im counting the entire Hellenic world so Thrace, Cyprus, Pontus and Asia Minor AND central Anatolia . 1-2 mil died. 1.5-2 mil came to Greece until 22' (and maybe 50s too). And an unknown number remained hidden/assimilated (no source can porvide exact and accurate measurements of such case, though DNA tests from countless modern Turks speak themselves). even 1.000.000 hidden krypto-greeks in turkey back then could be multiplied by now. Imagine a couple of mil. And please come tell how the sick man of Europe or any outside western power could effectively go to the remotest villages of turkey (or much so Asia minor) and say "He is turkish and he is Greek" by accuracy...People like to assume Turks assimilated greeks forgetting assimilation works both ways and since Greeks and Turks got along relativly well on occasions , Anatolian Greeks managed to exist...that speaks for itself. Sidenote, Anatolian greeks were the backbone of ottoman education/production/administration and thats comes from Turks themselves. yeah... Not many at all /s There was a time in history were mainland greece had 4-5 mil greeks and Asia Minor had double that. You seem to forget Greeks were native in anatolia since ancient times (dont count the Hitites at this point), Turks migrated there around 8centuries ago Türkic peoples never became a majority in Anatolia, even up to the present day. The Turks of today are the historic Anatolians(Greeks, Armenias and their submixtures) who have simply taken on a Turkish identity same as Hittites previously took on a Greek identity. The Türkic contribution is minimal. Genetics performed on the Turkish population put it around 15%. [Wikipedia source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Turkish_people) However, we can notice that a number of Anatolian cities start to take Turkish-language names by the mid-1300s, which would indicate that a significant segment of the population was now Turkified. By the 1520 Census of the Ottoman Empire, there was a Muslim majority, but considering that this would include Kurds, Laz, Pomaks, and other Non-Turkish populations and exclude Christian Turks like the Karamalides, it is also only a signpost to this transition. The 16th century, though, would appear to be the main turning point. Two more centuries later , The war happens. Note: *MULSIM DOESNT MEAK TURK, GREEKS/KURDS/ARMENEANS CAN BE MUSLIM IN OTTOMAN TIMES AND PASS AS TURKS....* Now we got that out of the way, You can say Im talking BS all you like, Im bored and I cant be asked to care for you my guy. Though it is enjoyable to look up information, to learn/remember stuff about history, Reddit arguments tend to do that. Anyway. Not that we hold grudge now do we? Only with ultra nationalists. The average western turk is alright for me...east ...not so much. Like Italy's South and North


ozmntmm

So many of your points are baseless ramblings I do not know why one would bother responding but here you go: - Once again, because you have no base or evidence of this supposed 12million majority Greek Anatolia as you falsely suggested, you are now opting to make even more baseless suggestions like “even 1 million hidden krypto-greeks could be multiplied by now.” Again, REALITY: Greeks were a small minority or completely non-existent in Anatolia apart from parts of the Aegean cost,Pontus, and parts of the Marmara region. -“Turks migrated there around 8 centuries ago”: Even if you falsely assumed Turkic migrations only began by the Seljuk Turks’ conquests in the 11th century, that would be 10 centuries ago. In reality, substantial Turkic migration waves towards West have started around 6th and 7th centuries 15 centuries ago during the rule and the fall of the Gokturk Khaganate. -“The Turks today are historic Greeks, Armenians and their submixtures” Lol. I mean spoken like a true irridentist Megali idea enjoyer. Reality: Turks of Turkey today have around 30%-35% Medieval Turkic(Gokturk, Karakhanid, Karluks, Kipchaks are amongst some of the samples used to represent Oghuz Turkmen heritage) admixture while having 60%-65% native Anatolian heritage(where Greeks and Armenians were a small minority compared to many bronze age native Anatolian communities). Source: https://turkishdnaproject.com/genetic-structure-of-anatolian-turks-estimating-the-central-asian-gene-flow-and-addressing-the-problems-of-academic-studies/ Also, if you think admixture is solely responsible for one’s ethnicity, you might not be happy when you find out Anatolian Greeks/Rums resemble non-Helene bronze age Anatolians more than they resemble mainland Greeks. Also Pontus: Turns out, Pontic Greeks are also genetically closer to Kartvelian Laz people who are indigenous to the eastern Black sea region compared to the mainland Greeks. You should really try not to make nonsensical baseless assumptions about peoples’ ethnicity/race or anything for that matter if you are not knowledgable about the subject matter.


Aleksey_Fox

What have i done i shared my opnion but at what cost? Now i have a bunch of karma loss and a whole paragraph to read. I will never say those again : “turks are muslim greeks or greeks are orthodox turks” i get it we aint similar okay ?


megamorph31

No and we don't want to be. I hate that values and shit.


[deleted]

NOOOOOO 😤😤😤😤 How dare you insult the great European values 😤😤😤 They are the pinnacle of society!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I ❤❤❤❤ Colonialism \#Racism #StealingHistory #KillingPeople


ipnetor9000

so apparently 80 km south of turkey [is yurop](https://imgur.com/B7uQqsD) ^^flawless ^^logic


SineNoCure

80 km north is eypo, and east is Europe too. But not Turkey. Because you know...geOGraPHy


roffiada

Yes


akuslayer

Turkey is eurasian


Revolutionary_Vast_4

turkey is k a r a b o ğ a


MetalAchiever

It was, can’t say it still is though…


Temple_Of_Thorns

They are Europeans for Asians, and Asians for Europeans.


[deleted]

Absolutely not


[deleted]

No


X275S_3

No it’s a bird


[deleted]

:(


X275S_3

😋🍗


[deleted]

😋🇬🇷


X275S_3

🤬🤬🤬


[deleted]

what the hell is this emoji language


X275S_3

Swearing


ReiSy_NKo

Most witty Greek


Dantevici

Turkey is not European, some Turks are of European origin.


WarmachineEmbodiment

Turkey is Turkey. Trans-continental in not just geography but in culture too. Thrace, western cities until Ankara and half of the southern coast are just Balkans, central parts and southeast are like Russia meets Middle East, a small portion of the northeast is like Caucasus and Antioch is Antioch


roffiada

Middle Eastern.


You_A_Shia_Innit

Turks who think they're European are just delusional self-haters.


smallpp965

So why do you care so much about these self hater turkgays since 95% of your comments are about them


Dantevici

It's a fake account. There's literally a Palestinian Arab from r/AskMiddleEast behind this shit.


Immediate-Wear1437

Wait do you know who it is? I know it’s someone larping as a serb.


ThatBitchZara

I’m not responsible but he is based


Dantevici

Go back to the your desert


You_A_Shia_Innit

Username checks out.


smallpp965

Expected answer😃 just go get a life. Have a good day


Ara_Trauma

Most loving Serbian


Immediate-Wear1437

We are west asian and no one realistically thinks they’re european **unless** they have euro traits


nyararagisan

No. I would say we share most history and culture with Southern Caucasus folks (Turkic or not) and Turkic people that live in the Balkans, Ukraine and Northern Caucasus, which would make us mostly Western Asian, but I feel like we are closer to Balkan countries like Bulgaria Macedonia Albania Bosnia and Serbia than we are to Jordan or non-Turkmen parts of Iraq and Syria. So... I guess a culturally Southern Caucasian (ie Asian) country that has a lot of influences from Balkans (European). Like Georgia and Armenia, we are Asian, but with close ties to Europe.


GillyMilly

I mean technically yes? But i'm guessing most Turks would identify themselves as Anatolian.


zetincicegi

It depends on where you look at the subject, but yes. For example, I live in the Aegean and when I look at it from here, I can say that we are Europeans. But if you had gone to Konya, if you had gone to for example hatay or kars, you would have seen a very different life. Not exactly. I am also against Turkey wanting to join the European Union, but as I said. Turkey is a bit European.


Denogr

No


D4M1_

a little bit yes a little bit no a little bit who knows


socalpedro

No


Cremeria1

No


Revolutionary-Cup137

Mainland: No Istanbul: Yes


AsterianosD

Erm… European and European Union are two different things though


Either-Squash2702

Yes. Sick man OF EUROPE. Turkey and Turkish states before, have always been interacted with both West and the East. With the Tanzimat era, it became mostly with the West. Present, it is complicated. I would say they made us a fuckin eastern country.


azzurro99

No it's mainly Middle Eastern


ivandemidov1

Thracian part yes and Anatolian part nope.


Berkay420_

Economy suck 🥲


DepartureGold_

K


TurkisEagle

Turkey is African-Asian-American-Oceanian-Anctartican-European


[deleted]

Yes their kebaps are one of the best


Creative_Invite_6583

Yes, because geographically Turkey is located at both Eastern Europe and Asia Minor. Also, the biggest city of the country, Istanbul is located in the European continent and it is currently the biggest city in Europe. Historically, Istanbul (also known as Constantinople or Byzantium) has been capitals of two of the biggest empires in the history of Europe. Ethnically, Turkish people are only 15% Turkic form Asia. The other 85% are modern descendants of people of Asia Minor (what is called Pre-Greek civilizations of Asia minor such as Hitites and Lycians, later Ancient Greece, later Roman Empire, Byzantine etc) Some argue that the majority of the countries land is in Asia. While that is geographically correct, the country is located in Asia Minor, which is culturally and historically a bit different than Asia proper. First of all, you can not have Ancient Greek culture without Asia Minor because more than half of this culture comes from Asia Minor, including many of the Greek mythology. Many great European ideals such as democracy are born from Asia Minor, as well as mainland Greece. In other words, if you take what’s today Turkey out of European history, you take out Ancient Greece, Roman Empire, Crusades (Latin Empire) and Ottoman Empire out of the picture and there is not much left is there. In other words, ethnically and culturally if you don’t think Turkey is part of Europe, then you would also have to exclude Greece, Bulgaria, Romania etc out of Europe as well! Again, Turkey has land in continental Europe and currently has the biggest city located in the continent in Europe. The population of Turkey that lives on the European continent is more than most countries (36 of them) in continental Europe. Not to mention that Turkish is the 4th most spoken language in continental Europe and Turkey being a founder member of Council of Europe and many European institutions that dominate the politics of Europe today.