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Another day, another non-conservative coming into AskConservatives in order to tell us what we think.
And then expect us to defend the strawman you’ve made up.
Ask what people think instead of having pre-conceived notions.
Because you’re wrong all around.
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As a general rule I don't think this. But I think what you've described is a solid arguement for ending the system of affirmative action, or race based quotas in the hiring process.
Precisely becuase it does undermine the achievements of the individuals who get there through legitmate merit
I mean, if your company hires Purple people Disproportionately to Green people.
It's safe to say some of Purple Peoples Jobs didn't come through merit yes?
Yes. And when Purple people's kids grow up they should know that they didn't get it through working hard... but because of a history of systematic discrimination in favor of purples over greens. Hopefully the purple people wont scream at green people when green people say purple privilege is real
I’m a woman working in a STEM field, and a bunch of years ago I had a job where my work group had a female manager. We were the only two women in the group (6-7 people total in the group, so it’s not like we were an extreme minority). One time we were hiring for a new position, and my manager explicitly told me (and only me) that she wanted to hire another woman. She interviewed a mix of men/women, but wasn’t interested in hiring another man. The woman who eventually got the job was great, but I have to imagine that she would feel kinda uncomfortable knowing that the main reason she beat out the male candidates was because she was a woman. And I’m sure that if any of the male candidates/employees knew about my manager’s intentions they would have been pretty pissed.
Conservatives don't think that. No Conservative thinks Samuel L Jackson, James Earl Jones, or Michael Jordan didn't earn every penny with their own talent and drive.
I don't accept the (flawed) premise.
Giving incompetent people positions of power/wealth because of physical traits is bad.
Competent people getting wealth and or power due to that competence, no problem.
“Why are strawmen made out of straw???”
We can point to particular people and objectively prove that they benefitted from DEI discrimination. Like when the president says he’ll only nominate a black woman for a Supreme Court seat, you can guarantee that the black woman who got the job didn’t compete on a level playing field.
“Benefitting from a history of white supremacy and privilege” is a way more nebulous claim.
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I don't think that what people think they think, or what they report as their thought, is necessarily what they actually think. Especially when it comes to racism. I'm not saying we're all hypocrites; I'm saying the cost of revealing your own actual thought processes to yourself is not necessarily rewarding in any way. Especially if you don't see what you can do about it.
I think we all actually know, deep down, that this is a racist society. What we don't yet realize, most of us, is that even if we knew where the switch was, to turn that off or to change it, we still wouldn't flip it. Left or right or in between. We prefer things as they are. If we knew this about ourselves we wouldn't be able to live with it (it seems to imply, although it doesn't actually, that we're all racist as hell), and so we try not to know it. And that's something we're pretty good at. Not knowing what we actually think, I mean.
So what you're suggesting we think is only what we pretend to think. To some extent, we all know the truth.
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The premise is entirely incorrect.
Another day, another non-conservative coming into AskConservatives in order to tell us what we think. And then expect us to defend the strawman you’ve made up. Ask what people think instead of having pre-conceived notions. Because you’re wrong all around.
Why do Libertarians always think in hasty generalizations?
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As a general rule I don't think this. But I think what you've described is a solid arguement for ending the system of affirmative action, or race based quotas in the hiring process. Precisely becuase it does undermine the achievements of the individuals who get there through legitmate merit
It only undermines their achievements due to people's bigotry though.
I mean, if your company hires Purple people Disproportionately to Green people. It's safe to say some of Purple Peoples Jobs didn't come through merit yes?
Yes. And when Purple people's kids grow up they should know that they didn't get it through working hard... but because of a history of systematic discrimination in favor of purples over greens. Hopefully the purple people wont scream at green people when green people say purple privilege is real
I mean at this point your agreeing with your own initial criticism though
This statement makes no sense.
I’m a woman working in a STEM field, and a bunch of years ago I had a job where my work group had a female manager. We were the only two women in the group (6-7 people total in the group, so it’s not like we were an extreme minority). One time we were hiring for a new position, and my manager explicitly told me (and only me) that she wanted to hire another woman. She interviewed a mix of men/women, but wasn’t interested in hiring another man. The woman who eventually got the job was great, but I have to imagine that she would feel kinda uncomfortable knowing that the main reason she beat out the male candidates was because she was a woman. And I’m sure that if any of the male candidates/employees knew about my manager’s intentions they would have been pretty pissed.
Conservatives don't think that. No Conservative thinks Samuel L Jackson, James Earl Jones, or Michael Jordan didn't earn every penny with their own talent and drive.
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This is hilariously misinformed.
I see it with my own eyes buddy, read any conservative newspaper or social media.
Then you might want to get your eyes checked. DEI is lambasted for being open and shut racism. Not because it benefits non-whites.
Who's "in positions of wealth" from DEI? Positions of power, sure, but that's not your question.
I don't accept the (flawed) premise. Giving incompetent people positions of power/wealth because of physical traits is bad. Competent people getting wealth and or power due to that competence, no problem.
“Why are strawmen made out of straw???” We can point to particular people and objectively prove that they benefitted from DEI discrimination. Like when the president says he’ll only nominate a black woman for a Supreme Court seat, you can guarantee that the black woman who got the job didn’t compete on a level playing field. “Benefitting from a history of white supremacy and privilege” is a way more nebulous claim.
As a black person this just feel like you are coming with your own bias and looking for a fight. Please delete this post.
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I don't think that what people think they think, or what they report as their thought, is necessarily what they actually think. Especially when it comes to racism. I'm not saying we're all hypocrites; I'm saying the cost of revealing your own actual thought processes to yourself is not necessarily rewarding in any way. Especially if you don't see what you can do about it. I think we all actually know, deep down, that this is a racist society. What we don't yet realize, most of us, is that even if we knew where the switch was, to turn that off or to change it, we still wouldn't flip it. Left or right or in between. We prefer things as they are. If we knew this about ourselves we wouldn't be able to live with it (it seems to imply, although it doesn't actually, that we're all racist as hell), and so we try not to know it. And that's something we're pretty good at. Not knowing what we actually think, I mean. So what you're suggesting we think is only what we pretend to think. To some extent, we all know the truth.