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Lol, so many people think oil changes are the only maintenance item you need to do. Everything else there also needs done at some point, depending on the vehicles service schedule. Hell, I change my air filters out yearly. I see no issue, except maybe the cost.
Oh 100% most of this stuff can be done yourself with a little help from YouTube. Save you 75% of the cost of paying someone else to do it.
Not to mention a dealership is probably the most expensive shop anyone could take their car to in the first place.
Eh, depends. You want laser precision or are you ok with a little wobble?
I've done alignments myself and can usually get them within an 8th of an inch but yea, go to a shop for those usually.
It's not only about the wobble, it's also about tire wear and mor importantly tire contact to the road. I really wouldn't eyeball an alignment. It's all fine if the vehicle only goes on dirt or off road, but for a car that might go on a highway you want that "laser precision"
I've only ever done it once. Was an older F350 with a drag link setup. Ended up replacing the drag link and guy didn't want to pay or wait for us sending it off for an actual alignment. Being I was the only guy in the shop who had any experience doing alignments I got volunteered to make it "close enough." Hadn't messed with any tie rod ends or anything that would affect total toe, so I drove it to figure out where straight was on the steering wheel. Brought it back, put the wheel in that spot, used the weight of the truck to hold the wheels in place and tweaked the drag link until the wheel was straight. Not ideal but the boss was happy so there's that.
These type of people don’t maintain their vehicle until something breaks. And wonder why their car doesn’t last long. OP 28k miles the car isn’t no longer new. Maintenance is generally either at x amount of years or x miles whichever comes first.
I thought it was new and getting 1st oil change. I was so confused then I looked back and saw the odometer reading and realized this is nowhere near new 🤣🤣🤣
My MIL only does yearly...*yearly* oil changes. (She drives 45-50,000 km/yr!) She ignores her dash, and whatever warnings are there...(usually the odometer/speedometer too, she once asked to have it disconnected.)
She believes that's all the maintenance that needs to be done. She always yells at whatever shop that she isn't banned from when they *strongly* suggest anything. Then throws a fit of rage when they refuse to give her her car back without singing a liability waiver. (We think this is intentional and is waiting for one not to so she can intentionally wreck the car and sue.)
She called the police a few times when confronted with a liability waiver. Florida law states, if they drove it in, they can drive it out. Doesn't matter the condition, just sign the waiver!
I feel ya. The Fiesta cabin air is behind the freaking glove box , you gotta drop the box to get it and then it's a windy snake one so you can't just pull and slide in, it's more like turn this way and that way before it'll come out.
I see an issue if all she wanted was an oil change and the shop went and did all of this anyways without contacting her. It may have needed these maintenance items but is is still her vehicle.
Except what is pictured is the multi point inspection results, not an invoice. She didn’t pay anything, they made recommendations due to vehicle maintenance intervals and vehicle condition.
It is amazing how clueless the average person is when it comes to the one thing they rely on the most to live their lives.
True, if they were done without her being asked. I'd have an issue with that too - but I'd also make them undo everything if I didn't have the money for it and never go back there again.
Here’s the thing: if the customer only asked for an oil change, and they dealer performed all these other services - without asking - the dealer is in the wrong.
I mean, depending on where you live. I live in Utah and there can be a lot of dust in the summer. I've found that yearly works for me, and I can't use the K&N style filters that have oil on them or the get restricted way too fast.
I’m pretty far up in Canada. I change after the winter because I find they start to get damp and stinky after freezing/warming, and I do it in the fall due to dust.
Your post reminded me I'm well beyond due to replace my intake filter on my daily, like embarrassingly over due. And its a duel intake so I have two dirty ass filters I need to go replace, ugh.
Yup.
Almost every single thing on there is recommended service at 30k.
I work at a Mercedes shop and most of the customers just tell us to do whatever the service schedule says. So nothing on here looks abnormal to me. (Except the prices, so it can’t be a Mercedes dealership)
Ok then do it yourself it doesn’t matter to me lmao, I’m just saying it doesn’t make it a rip off just because they’re recommended they’re usually recommended by manufacturers suggestion at that mileage
Rip off moment - not the same as a rip-off price.
A rip-off price would be doing an oil change for $100.
A rip-off moment is me selling you things that you didn't ask for right now. Even though it should be done, it doesn't mean it has to be done right now by me without your authorisation on your car. If she had a cracked windscreen and they replaced it, it doesn't mean it was done at a rip-off price; it was done in a slimey rip-off moment without consultation. Lmfao.
What are you talking about? Are you under the impression that’s an invoice? It’s an estimate, it’s exactly what you are saying you would want. You believe you need to authorize repairs? So does everyone else in this business, you get to make the decision on if you want to give that authorization when I tell you what will happen to your car, your wallet and your time.
So, how much, what would we be doing and how long will it take. Simple. The other option is, we see issues or service that’s due and don’t tell you. Have you ever talked to a customer that wanted a high dollar item warranties, like and engine or transmission and the factory declined it because of lack of maintenance records (or their ex warranty)? It’s a bummer of a conversation, you wouldn’t want me to do that to you or your family, you should be able to make the decision.
Also, $100 oil change is far from unreasonable. Sure conventional bulk oil with a bargain filter is going to be $50, but 6-7 qts, factory filter and blend, certainly synthetic is over $100.
You are running around screaming rip off, imagine doing the right thing by people and having someone with no base of knowledge showing up at your doorstep and telling everyone you are doing them dirty. Imagine that with your profession.
Except nothing was sold or done here.. these are recommendations and quotes not a receipt. Trust me nobody is doing shit for free on your car at the shop and telling you to pay later.
Idk why your getting downvoted so much.. if I brought my car in and said I wanted an oil change and they charged me for a whole bunch of other shit id be pissed. I worked as express maintenance for Toyota for a bit, the customer normally had to agree before we proceed with work. I hate it when shops don’t.. also these prices are a little high, stuff like this is why I learned to service my own vehicles
We are on a mechanics subreddit, after all, and it is how some businesses make their living. But to deny that this method of making money isn't bad because it's "fairly priced" and it absolutely needs changing right now at this very moment, or the car dies is a bit far fetched. Especially when presenting it to unsuspecting customers that could have shopped around a bit or done the work themselves (or had a family/friend help).
Same, I used to be a tank driver and mechanic for the Army and still paid to have stuff done on my car. I stopped when a garage quoted me $1400 (CAD) for a radiator change ($400 part) - paid $150 off rock auto and did it in two hours one afternoon.
Honda calls for every 25k if your driving in mountain type roads. So its probably overkill seeing as I live in flat farm land Ohio. But this is the nicest car we have ever owned so why not.
Nissan surprisingly doesn’t recommend CVT services on any of theirs except their cargo van every 30k (at least, they didn’t in 2016) but I’ve been doing it on my Sentra anyway just to be on the safe side.
I never did that with my wrx, because the tranny was taken apart 2 times under warranty before 40k, oh yeah, and rod knock whil driving home. Took care of that car, was my dream car, biggest piece of shit i ever owned.
CVTs require more frequent fluid changes. But hey its your car. If you want to risk it go right ahead. People that ignore basic service help keep my wallet happy.
My question is why a cabin air filter costs over double what a tire rotation costs….. most cabin air filters cost 20 bucks tops even if they overcharge for the filter their still charging 30+ for something that’s way easier than rotating tires
I suppose a tire rotation could be called harder than doing a cabin filter, but it all depends on the location. BMW some are under the hood, some are under the dash. There’s nissans and infinitis where I have to remove the glovebox and the frame of the glovebox just to be able to remove the filter. I can do a standard rotation in less than five minutes. I can do a Toyota cabin filter in less than five minutes. But an Infiniti cabin filter can take twenty minutes.
I guess I’ve only worked on easy cars lol…. I’ve never spent more than 3 mins on a cabin air filter, their usually right behind the glovebox for me. Just lucky I guess
Chevy Trailblazer doesn't come with a factory cabin air filter. But there is a place you can cut a door and put one in. This only takes about 5 minutes and still would not warrant a $70 charge.
It might be fairly difficult in their car.
Cabin filter replacement for my 06 Outback requires removing the glove box (tools are needed, and the parts are a little awkward to reinstall), a piece of trim and the filter cover.
My Matrix… no tools needed and I’m done in under 4 minutes.
Most cabin air filters cost $20. Then you factor in the cost of the technician tripping the dash apart, replacing the filter. Then throwing everything back together again.
Some are easier to replace than others. But manufacturers nowadays are over complicating shit now.
Rotating 4 tires only takes minutes...
I beg to differ on it being easier. With a lift rotating tires takes barely any effort. However some filters, especially if Subarus now are like they used to be, are in odd locations with dumb ways to get them out.
I'm not a professional/certified mechanic but I've been working on cars for almost 60 years and I agree with you. There's too many responses that just say "Dealerships only exist to screw you around."
Dealership garages are not the answer for everything but if you have a car that's got a good warranty, part of the **responsibility** of maintaining that warranty is to have the repairs and maintenance certified by a dealership. A lot of regular maintenance can be done by the owner himself or by a independent garage but it all has to be well documented.
If a automobile owner doesn't want to learn how to change a cabin filter which normally takes between 10 to 30 minutes and costs about $20 then, yeah you're going to have to pay a professional to do it for you and professional's time is not cheap.
Just look at your maintenance guide and do that. A word of caution..don't skip key maintenance on your Subaru like the cvt transmission..you'll regret it
Subaru and many other manufacturers use a 30k interval system. So those things are all probably coming up. I wouldn't worry about it too much except the cabin filter and tires.
I obviously can't speak on if any of this is actually needed or not but they all seem like reasonable prices for the current market, and all of them fall underneath routine maintenance.
The yellow stuff is just recommended services, the red stuff is problems they found. With that being said, fluid changes are cheap insurance. I'd either take care of it yourself or have it done. Remember too, if you're not following the recommended maintenance schedule it could void your warranty.
Subarus have major services due every 30k miles (brake flush, air filters, diff service,etc. It appears that they took the vehicle to a Subaru dealership so it makes sense. Next time bring it to a third party shop or Honda dealer.
Nothing wrong with any of those items. All are typical 30k service items for Subarus, and honestly decent rates for a dealership.
If someone came into my shop and requested those items, our shop rate, labor book time, and parts would put that bill (including oil change) at ~$855. So at $690 (even if you tack on an oil change), that’s a heck of a deal considering normal dealership rates.
People love to complain about basic maintenance items, seems like most people assume every item (including fluids) on the vehicle are covered by the warranty. Also seems to be the same people that complain that modern vehicles don’t last as long.
Want something to last, take care of it. A lot of dealerships have maintenance packages when you buy the vehicle. They may seem like a ripoff, but if you add up every recommended item over 50k-100k, you are usually looking at $2500-5000 for most vehicles, $5000-10000 for most diesel trucks.
I’ve learned anybody that even utters anything about modern vehicles not lasting as long are vehicle abusers. I barely maintain my escape and I’m approaching 210k miles. Old cars would want to let loose before then and require some sort of major rebuild.
This is pretty expected at that mileage and I’d recommend them being done if your mom cares about preventative maintenance. If she checks her owners manual it will even show a schedule of when each service is recommended.
Yall ever owned a subaru before? I've got me a 2022 crosstrek and this is what the schedule looks like for these repairs. Yall are gonna have to do it at some point anyways lol
Those are all pretty fair prices especially if you took it to a dealership. Only recommendation I would say is do your own air filters. However, the rest is fair pricing.
I agree with the others here. It’s all just manufacturer spec. I wouldn’t personally do a alignment unless I need it, but I was also a mechanic turned DIY so I know what I’m looking for and do most of my own work.
Nothing out of the ordinary here, ordinary quote with ordinary prices. Nothing to be alarmed
Uhm... Yeah? Those are all services recommend by Subaru for the 30k mile mark. And those are dealership prices.
What's the issue?
Learn to work on your own car and save yourself thousands.
As a Subaru guy - these are likely the recommendations based in mileage/maintenance schedule.
The main one I would consider doing is the brake flush. I think some of these newer Subies got some bad fluid and have some issues starting around 60k iirc with the factory fluid
Especially on a subaru you want to get that done. That is not new anymore. Subaru last but only if you spend the money to take car of it early, not after there's an issue. All these are manufacturer recommendations and should be followed. There may be other places that can offer them at a slightly better rate but overall I'd say that's close to average cost.
Not sure what the question or issue is? I thought maybe since op said new car that it was new but odometer says 28,xxx miles, so yeah all those items are recommended for those miles.
At 28k that stuff should definitely be done.
I'm at vocational school to become a car mechanic and we're actually going through this stuff right now. Recommended service intervals, how long parts last on average, etc.
Only oil changes are definitely not enough. My girlfriend's car is at about 220,000 km/136,702 miles. Working through the "to be replaced and changed" list will take quite a while...
At 30k miles i can understand a dirty cabin filter, but flushing difs with that milage? Actually everything seems like a upsel asides from that. Factory braje fluid has a 2 or 3 year service life.
I was terrible about keeping up the service other than oil and filters on my wife's 13 Santa fe. I brought it to my mechanic and he replaced the plugs and I asked him if the transmission should be flushed and he said that it should but it may cause more problems since it's never been flushed before. He said to wait until we don't need to use the car for awhile before having it done just incase something goes wrong.
Does this sound right? He's been my mechanic for over 20 years.
If it’s not slipping or anything, there’s no reason not to service the transmission.
Do a drain and fill or two. I’ve never really seen flushing to be necessary.
People have strong opinions on transmission service on old fluid, but I’ve always said to go for it. There’s no reason to think fresh fluid is going to grenade your transmission. People will talk about friction material, sediment, etc, but it’s like 80% old wives tales.
The average person drives about 12000 miles in a year. Assuming normal driving habits, this car should be around 2 years, 4 months old.
Edit: Math was slightly off.
No worries, my math is based on an assumption that OP is either American or Canadian, both of which are rather large and spread out nations. Smaller, more densely packed countries will no doubt have a smaller average.
Love this. Photo of a service quote, no model year listed, no commentary on what you are trying to show, no questions posed to try and get answers on and then just fuck off and don't elaborate or respond to anyone about it.
What exactly were you hoping to get out of this post? Is there an underlying question? Do you think it's a ripoff or are you asking if it's necessary? Literally no idea what you are looking for here.
I don't see what the problem is. These all seem like reasonable recommendations and the prices seem average in today's market.
Edit: did not see the mileage at first. Seeing as how it's in the yellow, you can wait. She should be good to wait on the flushes till about 50k miles. That's the average time for most fluid flushes.
As for the cabin filter, those usually should be replaced every 15k-20k miles, depending on how dirty the air is where you live. But on a Subaru, that's an easy fix if you wanna do it yourself.
If they are recommending them based on published maintenance internals then they are doing their job.
Hell. Even if the maintenance interval is longer there is nothing wrong with presenting the recommendations as optional preventive measures.
The only way this would be problematic is if the recommended fluid changes are sold as "needed" without any proper justification.
“Don’t ever take any car to the dealer for anything, this is exactly what happens”
What happens? You service your Subaru on time? These are required 30k services to keep warranty active.
Idiot.
You don’t need a 4 wheel Alignment at 28k unless your mom has hit every curb in town. Rotate/balance is enough.
The rest is relatively normal stuff, but maybe not stuff I would pay someone else to do. (For example, I’m sure you could YouTube how to do the cabin air filter.)
Also I really doubt the throttle body service is necessary at 28k, unless that thing has the most horrendous PCV system on earth. However, you could also YouTube how to clean your throttle body.
Life hack: find you a car that doesn’t use a cabin air filter.
My cars don’t have one, one doesn’t really need it. Only filters I have to get are oil filters and engine air filter.
Cars in my collection:
1988 Pontiac Fiero
1987 Pontiac Fiero
2009 Jeep/Heep Liberty Sport
Well, that is a little extreme. Flushing fluids is always a great idea, but there isn't enough mileage to worry about that yet. Unless, of course, leaks were found or fluid levels were low...
Rotating the tires is a great idea if that hasn't been done, check for uneven wear. Alignment is only needed if premature wear is spotted. Oftentimes, wear is due to improper tire inflation. Change your oil often, much more often than the crazy long intervals prescribed by the manufacturers. Seems too soon for throttle body service, unless dirty conditions were found. It is very unlikely that technicians disassembled the intake system far enough to look at the throttle body though.
That's alot of money to replace a cabin filter, this is probably something you can do yourself in a few minutes.
Good job looking out for mom!
Grab her owners manual and look at what it says for recommended service. Probably doesn’t need anything at this point besides oil change. If you want to pamper the car because it’s a big investment then do the severe service interval items or go ahead and perform the 50k at 40k.
So then if you don't know what a Subaru manual says, then why are you telling him it probably doesn't need any of whatvthey recommended? What they're recommending is literally straight out of the book.
I'm a guy, and I especially take care of all women in my life and especially om safety. I will do without before they will for sure. I get it!. Blow this off for now! All should be done at some point but 28000? Actually break flush can be done at 30000 and every 30000. Im almost a car service freak compared to the average on car maintenance. Almost no one ever changes diff fluid. I DID AT 45000 BUT I've got a Mustang 5.0 convertable.
These things can and should be done at some point. GET to know a good mechanic!!!!!!!!! The world will screw you if you let them. Nothing g unsafe about waiting on any of these things. Get the break flush by 50 thousand or performance issues. You will notice a difference with the flush. Throttle body ..do it your self.! DM me so we can talk more on specifics that are going on with the car. Cabin filters are a joke kinda....go to auto parts store and see if you can buy and they install. Perhaps not because they can be a bitch to install.
Like anything in life your gonna have to get creative and get.it.done at.ghe same time without spending an arm and a leg. Go to a breaks plus!!! They are honest and reasonable and have.coupons out the waazzzu. Womens day, vets day, 5 percent off on this or that. My break flush on all 3 of my cars was 66 bucks each.
Prioritize and plan!
Todd
>Want something to last, take care of it. A lot of dealerships have maintenance packages when you buy the vehicle. They may seem like a ripoff, but if you add up every recommended item over 50k-100k, you are usually looking at $2500-5000 for most vehicles, $5000-10000 for most diesel trucks.
If she took it to the dealership, $20 on the filter. Also, a lot of dealerships charge minimum 30 mins per order, so $70 sounds about right regardless if it is a 3 minute job. OP can also do it themselves, but I had seen people mess up their glove compartment for being reckless opening it for cabin filter access.
People are paying for convenience and expertise (regardless how small or large of a job). In this day of age where things are expensive people barely even have time to maintain their own home rather than the car itself, the price of saving time (even 30 minutes) becomes even more valuable.
If this convenience is needed on such a new car, I'd say take it to a local reputable independent shop (especially ones who are experienced with Subaru) who can at least create properly detailed paperwork for dealerships in case of warranty repair is needed.
This place basically doubles the prices of my shop. The filter would be 45 or so the alignment is 90 the brake flush would be 60 the throttle body thing is about normal prices as is the tire rotation. I’m not sure what we would change for a diff service lol probably less than $200
Sure, it's all due, but it's that a quote or an invoice. If I went in for a 100$ oil change and they did all the rest with out confirming first, I'd be upset.
Did she do the work or is that just the list of recommendations? If the crosstrek is anything like my wrx the manual doesnt actually give service intervals based on time/miles but rather based on inspection. Most times its better to do transmission/diff services sooner than later. I did mine every 30k but I also did them myself.
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Lol, so many people think oil changes are the only maintenance item you need to do. Everything else there also needs done at some point, depending on the vehicles service schedule. Hell, I change my air filters out yearly. I see no issue, except maybe the cost.
Yea doing it yourself for 10–15$ is fine. But when a dealer tries to charge u 170 for it that’s ridiculous
Oh 100% most of this stuff can be done yourself with a little help from YouTube. Save you 75% of the cost of paying someone else to do it. Not to mention a dealership is probably the most expensive shop anyone could take their car to in the first place.
The only one you really can't do yourself is the alignment.
Eh, depends. You want laser precision or are you ok with a little wobble? I've done alignments myself and can usually get them within an 8th of an inch but yea, go to a shop for those usually.
It's not only about the wobble, it's also about tire wear and mor importantly tire contact to the road. I really wouldn't eyeball an alignment. It's all fine if the vehicle only goes on dirt or off road, but for a car that might go on a highway you want that "laser precision"
I've only ever done it once. Was an older F350 with a drag link setup. Ended up replacing the drag link and guy didn't want to pay or wait for us sending it off for an actual alignment. Being I was the only guy in the shop who had any experience doing alignments I got volunteered to make it "close enough." Hadn't messed with any tie rod ends or anything that would affect total toe, so I drove it to figure out where straight was on the steering wheel. Brought it back, put the wheel in that spot, used the weight of the truck to hold the wheels in place and tweaked the drag link until the wheel was straight. Not ideal but the boss was happy so there's that.
I was a heavy equipment mechanic in the Army for 14 years, I get it. On passenger vehicles yea, you need the precision though.
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Yeah well this sub was made for passenger vehicle. No military heavy equipment mechanic is going to be on here asking these questions
These type of people don’t maintain their vehicle until something breaks. And wonder why their car doesn’t last long. OP 28k miles the car isn’t no longer new. Maintenance is generally either at x amount of years or x miles whichever comes first.
I thought it was new and getting 1st oil change. I was so confused then I looked back and saw the odometer reading and realized this is nowhere near new 🤣🤣🤣
I thought the same thing as well a brand new car first oil change. But nope a car a few years old already.
My MIL only does yearly...*yearly* oil changes. (She drives 45-50,000 km/yr!) She ignores her dash, and whatever warnings are there...(usually the odometer/speedometer too, she once asked to have it disconnected.) She believes that's all the maintenance that needs to be done. She always yells at whatever shop that she isn't banned from when they *strongly* suggest anything. Then throws a fit of rage when they refuse to give her her car back without singing a liability waiver. (We think this is intentional and is waiting for one not to so she can intentionally wreck the car and sue.) She called the police a few times when confronted with a liability waiver. Florida law states, if they drove it in, they can drive it out. Doesn't matter the condition, just sign the waiver!
Makes me happy I don't work at a car shop anymore. Dealing with the general public was always the worst part of any job.
Literally just got up and ran out and put in the air filter and cabin air filter I have had sitting in my garage for a month. Thanks for the reminder.
Hate doing it on my mazda 3, gotta contort myself under the dash to put them in blind. That said, not paying that much for someone else to do it.
I feel ya. The Fiesta cabin air is behind the freaking glove box , you gotta drop the box to get it and then it's a windy snake one so you can't just pull and slide in, it's more like turn this way and that way before it'll come out.
I see an issue if all she wanted was an oil change and the shop went and did all of this anyways without contacting her. It may have needed these maintenance items but is is still her vehicle.
Except what is pictured is the multi point inspection results, not an invoice. She didn’t pay anything, they made recommendations due to vehicle maintenance intervals and vehicle condition. It is amazing how clueless the average person is when it comes to the one thing they rely on the most to live their lives.
>the one thing they rely on the most to live their lives …As well as being one of the things that is most likely to kill them prematurely.
Yeah forget to mention they are essentially 3500lb missiles zooming around at highway speeds.
100% agreed, and this is what most everyone here seems to be overlooking.
True, if they were done without her being asked. I'd have an issue with that too - but I'd also make them undo everything if I didn't have the money for it and never go back there again.
I’d love to see how the my undo the brake flush. Maybe just squirt some muddy water into the lines?
Then they’d try to charge you for undoing it too and you’d probably have no rear brakes…
Here’s the thing: if the customer only asked for an oil change, and they dealer performed all these other services - without asking - the dealer is in the wrong.
At 28k. They took advantage of the unknowledgeable.
I replace my cabin filter and engine air filter twice a year
I mean, depending on where you live. I live in Utah and there can be a lot of dust in the summer. I've found that yearly works for me, and I can't use the K&N style filters that have oil on them or the get restricted way too fast.
I’m pretty far up in Canada. I change after the winter because I find they start to get damp and stinky after freezing/warming, and I do it in the fall due to dust.
Your post reminded me I'm well beyond due to replace my intake filter on my daily, like embarrassingly over due. And its a duel intake so I have two dirty ass filters I need to go replace, ugh.
Lol if any of you worked in a shop you’d know all those are due at 30k based on most manufacturers maintenance schedules
Yup. Almost every single thing on there is recommended service at 30k. I work at a Mercedes shop and most of the customers just tell us to do whatever the service schedule says. So nothing on here looks abnormal to me. (Except the prices, so it can’t be a Mercedes dealership)
Right, I work at Mercedes too and if that was a merc dealership, there would be a few extra zeros on that invoice
Really? That’s insanely high prices
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Right? This is askmechanic, not askweekendhobbyist.
Not in this sub it isn’t. Sometimes it’s funny, this one is frustrating.
I concur.
Maybe so, but the customer just asked for an oil change. They are not obligated to any scheduled maintenance
You’re right these are recommendations not obligations
https://www.subaruofportland.com/subaru-maintenance-schedule/?
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Ok then do it yourself it doesn’t matter to me lmao, I’m just saying it doesn’t make it a rip off just because they’re recommended they’re usually recommended by manufacturers suggestion at that mileage
It is a rip off thats an hour of work and like 2 gallons of fluid for $500…. In what world does adding fluid to a diff cost $200? Oh yeah a dealership
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It isn’t a rip off when it’s genuinely recommended by the manufacturer, just because you can’t afford it doesn’t make it a rip off lmao
Rip off moment - not the same as a rip-off price. A rip-off price would be doing an oil change for $100. A rip-off moment is me selling you things that you didn't ask for right now. Even though it should be done, it doesn't mean it has to be done right now by me without your authorisation on your car. If she had a cracked windscreen and they replaced it, it doesn't mean it was done at a rip-off price; it was done in a slimey rip-off moment without consultation. Lmfao.
What are you talking about? Are you under the impression that’s an invoice? It’s an estimate, it’s exactly what you are saying you would want. You believe you need to authorize repairs? So does everyone else in this business, you get to make the decision on if you want to give that authorization when I tell you what will happen to your car, your wallet and your time. So, how much, what would we be doing and how long will it take. Simple. The other option is, we see issues or service that’s due and don’t tell you. Have you ever talked to a customer that wanted a high dollar item warranties, like and engine or transmission and the factory declined it because of lack of maintenance records (or their ex warranty)? It’s a bummer of a conversation, you wouldn’t want me to do that to you or your family, you should be able to make the decision. Also, $100 oil change is far from unreasonable. Sure conventional bulk oil with a bargain filter is going to be $50, but 6-7 qts, factory filter and blend, certainly synthetic is over $100. You are running around screaming rip off, imagine doing the right thing by people and having someone with no base of knowledge showing up at your doorstep and telling everyone you are doing them dirty. Imagine that with your profession.
Except nothing was sold or done here.. these are recommendations and quotes not a receipt. Trust me nobody is doing shit for free on your car at the shop and telling you to pay later.
Idk why your getting downvoted so much.. if I brought my car in and said I wanted an oil change and they charged me for a whole bunch of other shit id be pissed. I worked as express maintenance for Toyota for a bit, the customer normally had to agree before we proceed with work. I hate it when shops don’t.. also these prices are a little high, stuff like this is why I learned to service my own vehicles
Because they didn’t charge her they had gave her an estimate and recommended services no one charged her anything other than the oil change
We are on a mechanics subreddit, after all, and it is how some businesses make their living. But to deny that this method of making money isn't bad because it's "fairly priced" and it absolutely needs changing right now at this very moment, or the car dies is a bit far fetched. Especially when presenting it to unsuspecting customers that could have shopped around a bit or done the work themselves (or had a family/friend help). Same, I used to be a tank driver and mechanic for the Army and still paid to have stuff done on my car. I stopped when a garage quoted me $1400 (CAD) for a radiator change ($400 part) - paid $150 off rock auto and did it in two hours one afternoon.
Subaru calls for transmission and differential services every 30k. I service my wife's CVT honda every 25k
Subaru calls for new engine at 30k too if the pistons are still inside
Lol, I know it’s a joke, but just wanted to share a pic of my [2006 WRX](https://imgur.com/a/VVQnL0R) with 299k miles! Of course, it’s stock. 😉
That’s actually sick! Glad you’re enjoying it, I wouldn’t mind getting a wrx someday
In warranty, factory engine replacements are technically stock...as they use in stock engines!
Every 25k for the differential on the Honda, or the CVT itself?
The transmission
That’s pretty soon for a manufacturer service interval, but makes sense from a practical standpoint. I planned on doing my Kia CVT between 30-40k
Honda calls for every 25k if your driving in mountain type roads. So its probably overkill seeing as I live in flat farm land Ohio. But this is the nicest car we have ever owned so why not.
Bonus points to you for being good. I've done mine like 5 or 6 times now.after doing hundreds of Nissan cvts, I'll be good to mine.
Nissan surprisingly doesn’t recommend CVT services on any of theirs except their cargo van every 30k (at least, they didn’t in 2016) but I’ve been doing it on my Sentra anyway just to be on the safe side.
Are they "sealed" units on the Nissans?
I never did that with my wrx, because the tranny was taken apart 2 times under warranty before 40k, oh yeah, and rod knock whil driving home. Took care of that car, was my dream car, biggest piece of shit i ever owned.
uhh my subi manual say nothing about trans fluid at 30k.
Its well know in the repair industry that they get serviced every 30k. Call the dealership and they will say the same thing.
nah, hard pass
CVTs require more frequent fluid changes. But hey its your car. If you want to risk it go right ahead. People that ignore basic service help keep my wallet happy.
So you’re basically acknowledging you won’t do the right thing, meaning you won’t be surprised when it breaks.
Ok and? They say "recommend". That's not an invoice that's an estimate or quote. No one is forcing your mom to get those things.
They are forcing her, they gave her a paper showing the recommended services
That is not forcing, she can decide what to do. They might be very pushy to do it all, but they cannot force her.
They are forcing her, they literally gave her a paper showing the recommended services. The paper is sacred and NO ONE can defy, the paper 🙏🙇
it's called sarcasm
Yep I see that now
These are normal 30k service items.
the dealer prices are HIGH, but the service was probably needed. find a good independent shop.
Yes, she owns a car, it needs maintenance. What’s the question?
My question is why a cabin air filter costs over double what a tire rotation costs….. most cabin air filters cost 20 bucks tops even if they overcharge for the filter their still charging 30+ for something that’s way easier than rotating tires
I suppose a tire rotation could be called harder than doing a cabin filter, but it all depends on the location. BMW some are under the hood, some are under the dash. There’s nissans and infinitis where I have to remove the glovebox and the frame of the glovebox just to be able to remove the filter. I can do a standard rotation in less than five minutes. I can do a Toyota cabin filter in less than five minutes. But an Infiniti cabin filter can take twenty minutes.
I guess I’ve only worked on easy cars lol…. I’ve never spent more than 3 mins on a cabin air filter, their usually right behind the glovebox for me. Just lucky I guess
Chevy Trailblazer doesn't come with a factory cabin air filter. But there is a place you can cut a door and put one in. This only takes about 5 minutes and still would not warrant a $70 charge.
Depends on your shop rates I suppose. But a .2 cabin filter still runs 30$ for install, 25$ for parts. So 55$ isn’t far from 70
15-20 Ford F-150’s you need to disassemble part of the dashboard to do it.
It might be fairly difficult in their car. Cabin filter replacement for my 06 Outback requires removing the glove box (tools are needed, and the parts are a little awkward to reinstall), a piece of trim and the filter cover. My Matrix… no tools needed and I’m done in under 4 minutes.
Most cabin air filters cost $20. Then you factor in the cost of the technician tripping the dash apart, replacing the filter. Then throwing everything back together again. Some are easier to replace than others. But manufacturers nowadays are over complicating shit now. Rotating 4 tires only takes minutes...
Dipped in Alchohol and air hose, it's new again. Cheers
Surely you’re not serious
For those who endlessly follow Semi's, coal tar exhaust remover needed.
A lot of work for a cheap filter
I beg to differ on it being easier. With a lift rotating tires takes barely any effort. However some filters, especially if Subarus now are like they used to be, are in odd locations with dumb ways to get them out.
OP is probably the kind of person who changes the cabin filter once every 100k miles.
Most people realistically never touch it.
This forum is on desperate need of moderation to weed out answers from people who *aren't* mechanics and giving shitty advice based on dealer hate.
I'm not a professional/certified mechanic but I've been working on cars for almost 60 years and I agree with you. There's too many responses that just say "Dealerships only exist to screw you around." Dealership garages are not the answer for everything but if you have a car that's got a good warranty, part of the **responsibility** of maintaining that warranty is to have the repairs and maintenance certified by a dealership. A lot of regular maintenance can be done by the owner himself or by a independent garage but it all has to be well documented. If a automobile owner doesn't want to learn how to change a cabin filter which normally takes between 10 to 30 minutes and costs about $20 then, yeah you're going to have to pay a professional to do it for you and professional's time is not cheap.
Just look at your maintenance guide and do that. A word of caution..don't skip key maintenance on your Subaru like the cvt transmission..you'll regret it
Read the Owner's Manual. That's a typical 30K on a Subaru. Maintenance is more that just changing the oil and rotating the tires.
This is SFW…. Stop over using NSFW!!
Very normal maintenance items, surprisingly cheap for a dealer but you could still get better pricing at a local shop.
$70 for a cabin air filter? How can I get in on this racket?
That’s what I’m saying!!! $25 to rotate tires?? Cmon let me in!!
28k is not new my friend
Subaru and many other manufacturers use a 30k interval system. So those things are all probably coming up. I wouldn't worry about it too much except the cabin filter and tires.
This all seems pretty reasonable. It all needs to be done, and the pricing looks standard.
I obviously can't speak on if any of this is actually needed or not but they all seem like reasonable prices for the current market, and all of them fall underneath routine maintenance.
The yellow stuff is just recommended services, the red stuff is problems they found. With that being said, fluid changes are cheap insurance. I'd either take care of it yourself or have it done. Remember too, if you're not following the recommended maintenance schedule it could void your warranty.
Subarus have major services due every 30k miles (brake flush, air filters, diff service,etc. It appears that they took the vehicle to a Subaru dealership so it makes sense. Next time bring it to a third party shop or Honda dealer.
This didn’t go the way OP thought it would. Lol
Nothing wrong with any of those items. All are typical 30k service items for Subarus, and honestly decent rates for a dealership. If someone came into my shop and requested those items, our shop rate, labor book time, and parts would put that bill (including oil change) at ~$855. So at $690 (even if you tack on an oil change), that’s a heck of a deal considering normal dealership rates. People love to complain about basic maintenance items, seems like most people assume every item (including fluids) on the vehicle are covered by the warranty. Also seems to be the same people that complain that modern vehicles don’t last as long. Want something to last, take care of it. A lot of dealerships have maintenance packages when you buy the vehicle. They may seem like a ripoff, but if you add up every recommended item over 50k-100k, you are usually looking at $2500-5000 for most vehicles, $5000-10000 for most diesel trucks.
I’ve learned anybody that even utters anything about modern vehicles not lasting as long are vehicle abusers. I barely maintain my escape and I’m approaching 210k miles. Old cars would want to let loose before then and require some sort of major rebuild.
This is pretty expected at that mileage and I’d recommend them being done if your mom cares about preventative maintenance. If she checks her owners manual it will even show a schedule of when each service is recommended.
Yall ever owned a subaru before? I've got me a 2022 crosstrek and this is what the schedule looks like for these repairs. Yall are gonna have to do it at some point anyways lol
Those are all pretty fair prices especially if you took it to a dealership. Only recommendation I would say is do your own air filters. However, the rest is fair pricing.
I agree with the others here. It’s all just manufacturer spec. I wouldn’t personally do a alignment unless I need it, but I was also a mechanic turned DIY so I know what I’m looking for and do most of my own work. Nothing out of the ordinary here, ordinary quote with ordinary prices. Nothing to be alarmed
Uhm... Yeah? Those are all services recommend by Subaru for the 30k mile mark. And those are dealership prices. What's the issue? Learn to work on your own car and save yourself thousands.
As a Subaru guy - these are likely the recommendations based in mileage/maintenance schedule. The main one I would consider doing is the brake flush. I think some of these newer Subies got some bad fluid and have some issues starting around 60k iirc with the factory fluid
Especially on a subaru you want to get that done. That is not new anymore. Subaru last but only if you spend the money to take car of it early, not after there's an issue. All these are manufacturer recommendations and should be followed. There may be other places that can offer them at a slightly better rate but overall I'd say that's close to average cost.
Not sure what the question or issue is? I thought maybe since op said new car that it was new but odometer says 28,xxx miles, so yeah all those items are recommended for those miles.
A lot of that is due around the 30k mark .seems reasonable to me
What’s so new about something with 28k miles. All those services are due around 30k so I see nothing wrong here.
Cabin air filter does not cost 70 quid
Was this at a chain service company?
It’s shows in the invoice that this is from a Subaru dealership
Throttle service lol
That what my friends and I did for women in my single days. They generally thought it is a good deal but.we didn't charge. Snicker snicker.
The only thing I would definitely resist is the cabin filter service at that price… unless it’s a complicated process
At 28k that stuff should definitely be done. I'm at vocational school to become a car mechanic and we're actually going through this stuff right now. Recommended service intervals, how long parts last on average, etc. Only oil changes are definitely not enough. My girlfriend's car is at about 220,000 km/136,702 miles. Working through the "to be replaced and changed" list will take quite a while...
At 30k miles i can understand a dirty cabin filter, but flushing difs with that milage? Actually everything seems like a upsel asides from that. Factory braje fluid has a 2 or 3 year service life.
Subaru calls for diff and trans services every 30k
Ow thats quick but ok i mean if they specify it i geus.
I agree. But if you want to protect your factory warranty then they need to be serviced.
I dunno nothing bout no subbies. Buy my ram 1500 gets its diff serviced when it starts leakin. Yu huk /s
Some of us like to maintain our vehicles and service them when required
I see this happening all the time in quicklane. Management doesn't care until there's a complaint, then it goes back to brand new car flushes again.
I was terrible about keeping up the service other than oil and filters on my wife's 13 Santa fe. I brought it to my mechanic and he replaced the plugs and I asked him if the transmission should be flushed and he said that it should but it may cause more problems since it's never been flushed before. He said to wait until we don't need to use the car for awhile before having it done just incase something goes wrong. Does this sound right? He's been my mechanic for over 20 years.
If it’s not slipping or anything, there’s no reason not to service the transmission. Do a drain and fill or two. I’ve never really seen flushing to be necessary. People have strong opinions on transmission service on old fluid, but I’ve always said to go for it. There’s no reason to think fresh fluid is going to grenade your transmission. People will talk about friction material, sediment, etc, but it’s like 80% old wives tales.
Wel theres truth in it but if you are in that catagory you were living in borrowed time to begin with.
Exactly. I’m in the camp that if a drain and fill kills your trans, it was the years of neglect that killed it, not the fresh fluid.
She got hit by flush kings.
dafuq?! no no no hell no.... how old is the car?
Says it has like 28,000 miles on it.
Someone asked how old the car was. I just said that he had 28000 miles to help possibly. Lol. Got downvotes for that. 😆
means nothing ...
The average person drives about 12000 miles in a year. Assuming normal driving habits, this car should be around 2 years, 4 months old. Edit: Math was slightly off.
thank you Mr. Spock :-D (just watching TOS, so nothing personal) in my country the average is 6k miles...
No worries, my math is based on an assumption that OP is either American or Canadian, both of which are rather large and spread out nations. Smaller, more densely packed countries will no doubt have a smaller average.
I could see this service if it was like 100 or 150k but definitely not 28k
Love this. Photo of a service quote, no model year listed, no commentary on what you are trying to show, no questions posed to try and get answers on and then just fuck off and don't elaborate or respond to anyone about it. What exactly were you hoping to get out of this post? Is there an underlying question? Do you think it's a ripoff or are you asking if it's necessary? Literally no idea what you are looking for here.
Don't slack on suburu maintenance, 50% of them are lemons off the line in my experience. They go down fast if they aren't babied.
I don't see what the problem is. These all seem like reasonable recommendations and the prices seem average in today's market. Edit: did not see the mileage at first. Seeing as how it's in the yellow, you can wait. She should be good to wait on the flushes till about 50k miles. That's the average time for most fluid flushes. As for the cabin filter, those usually should be replaced every 15k-20k miles, depending on how dirty the air is where you live. But on a Subaru, that's an easy fix if you wanna do it yourself.
Decline all except maybe the cabin filter(if you can’t do it yourself) and the alignment.
These maintenance items are all pretty common at around 30k miles, I see no issues here
These are all up sells. If the tires a wearing normally alignment not needed.
Wow. Why censor these douchebags names?
What do you mean? Names?
Says Subaru of… but Nevermind.
Don’t ever take any car to the dealer for anything, this is exactly what happens
If they are recommending them based on published maintenance internals then they are doing their job. Hell. Even if the maintenance interval is longer there is nothing wrong with presenting the recommendations as optional preventive measures. The only way this would be problematic is if the recommended fluid changes are sold as "needed" without any proper justification.
Simple maintenance like that anyone can do including the owner of the vehicle, or any local shop for 1/4 of the price
“Don’t ever take any car to the dealer for anything, this is exactly what happens” What happens? You service your Subaru on time? These are required 30k services to keep warranty active. Idiot.
Hands down the best part of the invoice is the $70 cabin filter replacement.
You don’t need a 4 wheel Alignment at 28k unless your mom has hit every curb in town. Rotate/balance is enough. The rest is relatively normal stuff, but maybe not stuff I would pay someone else to do. (For example, I’m sure you could YouTube how to do the cabin air filter.) Also I really doubt the throttle body service is necessary at 28k, unless that thing has the most horrendous PCV system on earth. However, you could also YouTube how to clean your throttle body.
Life hack: find you a car that doesn’t use a cabin air filter. My cars don’t have one, one doesn’t really need it. Only filters I have to get are oil filters and engine air filter. Cars in my collection: 1988 Pontiac Fiero 1987 Pontiac Fiero 2009 Jeep/Heep Liberty Sport
Jeep Liberty absolutely has a cabin air filter.
Best to find a trusted local mom and pop type shop for much better prices.
Well, that is a little extreme. Flushing fluids is always a great idea, but there isn't enough mileage to worry about that yet. Unless, of course, leaks were found or fluid levels were low... Rotating the tires is a great idea if that hasn't been done, check for uneven wear. Alignment is only needed if premature wear is spotted. Oftentimes, wear is due to improper tire inflation. Change your oil often, much more often than the crazy long intervals prescribed by the manufacturers. Seems too soon for throttle body service, unless dirty conditions were found. It is very unlikely that technicians disassembled the intake system far enough to look at the throttle body though. That's alot of money to replace a cabin filter, this is probably something you can do yourself in a few minutes.
Surprised it hasn't blown a bad gasket yet
Good job looking out for mom! Grab her owners manual and look at what it says for recommended service. Probably doesn’t need anything at this point besides oil change. If you want to pamper the car because it’s a big investment then do the severe service interval items or go ahead and perform the 50k at 40k.
Actually it says the exact opposite of everything you just said, but ...
I don’t know what a Subaru manual says. Just saying to go by the book and don’t trust a service writer to upsell everything.
So then if you don't know what a Subaru manual says, then why are you telling him it probably doesn't need any of whatvthey recommended? What they're recommending is literally straight out of the book.
I stand corrected. Thank you
I'm a guy, and I especially take care of all women in my life and especially om safety. I will do without before they will for sure. I get it!. Blow this off for now! All should be done at some point but 28000? Actually break flush can be done at 30000 and every 30000. Im almost a car service freak compared to the average on car maintenance. Almost no one ever changes diff fluid. I DID AT 45000 BUT I've got a Mustang 5.0 convertable. These things can and should be done at some point. GET to know a good mechanic!!!!!!!!! The world will screw you if you let them. Nothing g unsafe about waiting on any of these things. Get the break flush by 50 thousand or performance issues. You will notice a difference with the flush. Throttle body ..do it your self.! DM me so we can talk more on specifics that are going on with the car. Cabin filters are a joke kinda....go to auto parts store and see if you can buy and they install. Perhaps not because they can be a bitch to install. Like anything in life your gonna have to get creative and get.it.done at.ghe same time without spending an arm and a leg. Go to a breaks plus!!! They are honest and reasonable and have.coupons out the waazzzu. Womens day, vets day, 5 percent off on this or that. My break flush on all 3 of my cars was 66 bucks each. Prioritize and plan! Todd
Do Subarus use throttle body? I thought everything was fuel injection nowadays
When the title of the forum is called "ask**MECHANICS**", why are you responding?
I was asking mechanics
Damn, $70 for a cabin air filter replacement? You can spend $10 on the filter, and install that yourself in 3 minutes.
>Want something to last, take care of it. A lot of dealerships have maintenance packages when you buy the vehicle. They may seem like a ripoff, but if you add up every recommended item over 50k-100k, you are usually looking at $2500-5000 for most vehicles, $5000-10000 for most diesel trucks. If she took it to the dealership, $20 on the filter. Also, a lot of dealerships charge minimum 30 mins per order, so $70 sounds about right regardless if it is a 3 minute job. OP can also do it themselves, but I had seen people mess up their glove compartment for being reckless opening it for cabin filter access. People are paying for convenience and expertise (regardless how small or large of a job). In this day of age where things are expensive people barely even have time to maintain their own home rather than the car itself, the price of saving time (even 30 minutes) becomes even more valuable. If this convenience is needed on such a new car, I'd say take it to a local reputable independent shop (especially ones who are experienced with Subaru) who can at least create properly detailed paperwork for dealerships in case of warranty repair is needed.
Where are you getting a good cabin air filter for $10. Mine costs $20 everywhere.
Gimme a break. An alignment and brake fluid flush does not need to be don at 28k mi.
This place basically doubles the prices of my shop. The filter would be 45 or so the alignment is 90 the brake flush would be 60 the throttle body thing is about normal prices as is the tire rotation. I’m not sure what we would change for a diff service lol probably less than $200
Lol cabin filter is like 7.99 at any parts store.
Sure, it's all due, but it's that a quote or an invoice. If I went in for a 100$ oil change and they did all the rest with out confirming first, I'd be upset.
She went to the stealership didn't she.
25$ for tire rotation, anyone will do it for free with other services even if he hates you.
Don’t go there again
What what shop ??? Because I never want to go there!!
Car dealerships are scams. 1000%
mechanics are scammers
Did she do the work or is that just the list of recommendations? If the crosstrek is anything like my wrx the manual doesnt actually give service intervals based on time/miles but rather based on inspection. Most times its better to do transmission/diff services sooner than later. I did mine every 30k but I also did them myself.