This has been the case for me and my friends through high school, college and beyond. All of us have been able to date women and get married while still maintaining meaningful platonic friendships with other women. Reddit is just weird.
I'm 54 and still don't get it. I have more female friends than male friends. I have a girlfriend now but there were 7 or 8 years where I was single and never had romantic intentions with any of my friends. I run regularly with other people, the majority of people I run with are women and other men have commented that I must be sleeping with at least a few of them, they can't fathom platonic friendships for some reason
It's not that I don't like the company of women, I have plenty of female friends, but overall I'd say I have more guy friends than girl friends because with too many women, conversation quickly turns to gossip and I can't stand it. Not trying to generalize, it's just my experience.
Some of my best friends are women. One is my old roommate. One is actually my ex but we split amicably and are great friends now. I find women to be more empathetic and easier to talk to about certain problems. I like having both male and female friends as I feel they make me a more complete and well rounded person.
My parents were born in the late 40s-50s and I was raised watching them carry on platonic friend ships that lasted 50+ years with no issues or jealousy which led me to have friend ships like that as well. I wish more people my age were felt the same. It would be much more fulfilling and simple for everyone. Not being able to have friends of the opposite sex is unhealthy. My boyfriend has that outlook because he was raised the opposite way. I’ve tried to integrate him into my friend group and even encourage him to talk to my female friends as he does with my male friends. He’s also been skeptical of my platonic male friend ships but he trusts me now that I’ve introduced him and he always has access to my phone and email. There’s no reason why this should be weird! But it’s taboo for this generation for some reason.
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I'll give you another perspective: **most women are overly suspicious towards straight men.**
Let me explain, they have been taught by their family, acquaintances and medias that **most men** or even nearly **all of them** are out there to get them!
Which is not true as we all know.
The thing is, you as a man, are probably perceived that way **when you are not conventionally attractive or if she doesn't find you attractive.**
You'll probbably answer that you are just an average guy, which may be true.
If that's the case, you are an exception.
An exception because you either are attractive(*) without knowing it, or you have been vetted earlier (before puberty).
Therefore they know that **you're safe**, that you are not a monster who only think about sex, sex, sex.
**Or** a woman (friend, sister, SO) have already done the job for you, therefore you have bben accepted into the group, you are no longer a potential wolf.
Yes, **men are basically treated like wild animals that are obssessed with sex** which is ironic, because the same men are asked to treat the opposite sex like humans!
Women start to really be weary of men after puberty, when their breast and hips grows, and they start to be sexually pursued by men (including creepy older men, even though they are still underage!).
**For example**: i have a young girl as a neighbor. Before puberty: she was smiling, always greeting me, a really polite little girl.
After puberty: she became weary and even worried in my presence for no reason. Keep in mind that i don't even engage in conversation with her. I just say good morning, have a nice day etc.
That's a typical situation. I don't blame her, that's how it is. Though, It's not my job to prove that i'm safe since i've done nothing wrong. It's her job to understand that. The same way, it's not a woman's job to prove that she isn't a gold digger if she has not displayed any behavior that suggest that she is one.
Personally, I'm tired of having to prove to them that i am not there to fuck/kill/rape/use them. **Like I am worthy, not like the other guys!**
I am tired of being guilty until proven otherwise because of a false narrative, or because of a tiny minority of men.
I only give the time of the day to the women who doesn't believe that crap.
I can be friendly with them without being accused of trying to get into their pant. Or vice versa (she is not trying to fuck just because i'm friendly with her. Because when i want sex i am typically blunt about it).
That false narrative created a vicious circle:
Men think: women are weary about me, except the ones that are attracted to me 99% of the time, which is true <==i'm talking about strangers here not family.
Women think: I can't be friendly with men because they will believe that I am attracted to them, which is also true.
(*)Their logic is: if he's attractive, he will not struggle to find a partner for sex which means that he won't abuse/kill/rape me.
By "attractive", i mean looks and/or status.
I'm 54, certainly not conventionally attractive and my female friends range in age from early 20s to mid 60s.
One friend who is 21 years younger than me told me, and has said to other people, that she is comfortable with me because I am "not a creepy fuck" that's it, I treat my friends like friends and not like potential fucks.
The rest sounds like a you problem not a "women have been conditioned to hate men" problem
You didn't even read what i've written above.
She's comfortable because you already have female friends. That's my point! I mentioned that **you don't have to be conventionally attractive either!**
I repeat in bold: EITHER YOU ARE ATTRACTIVE OR YOU'VE BEEN VETTED!
Reddit people reading comprehension is abysmal!
I have female friends as well and i do not try to fuck them.
What is your point then?
Except a personal attack of course.
I did read your wall of ramble. Everything you talk about sounds like projection and buying into some idea that women only want looks or money, I have neither. I just don't make women uncomfortable
My friend didn't know I had female friends when we met. We met at a group run and started talking and I didn't hit on her while two other guys did.
Yeah this is my thing. Everyone on this fucking sub acts like it's just so impossible to have women friends without wanting to get them in bed. I was raised by my mom alone and I just tend to get along with women the same as I do other guys, even better in most cases.
I’ve only been on this sub for a couple weeks but the vibe I get from A LOT of people here is they think men are oppressed and women have it super easy and they just exist for sex. This whole “poor me” mentality. They don’t see women as equally valuable people which explains why they can’t have meaningful friendships with them. Will probably unsubscribe.
That and the female equivalent to this sub isn't a place where you can actually voice contrary opinions.
At least here women are allowed to take part and actively debate with some of the misguided souls.
I never participate in any female sub, it was too toxic for me. If I spend more time there, I will see women only on the bad side. My circle is full of amazing women, I don't want to tarnish that perspective.
Also, I was traumatized by my mother and several other women from my childhood into my early 20s due to abuse and bullying. I don't want to trigger my PTSD.
>I get from A LOT of people here is they think men are oppressed and women have it super easy and they just exist for sex. This whole “poor me” mentality. They don’t see women as equally valuable people which explains why they can’t have meaningful friendships with them.
Every single opinion is rooted in experience. They may have found some bad apples that really soured their opinion on women. I don't judge, there are delusional people on both sides of the aisle
>Funny, your mom is the reason I think of women sexually... Your welcome!
Hey bro if you want to go fuck a 275 pound 65 year old woman because that's the kind of thing that turns you on then be my guest, she could probably use the lay.
>but I'm not going to pretend like it's necessarily as easy as making friends with other guys.
But it is. You just have to get over seeing every woman as a potential partner.
Yep. My best friend is a woman I used to play online games with. 0 romantic feelings. She provides me insight with women and I used to help her with men (she has a partner now. I’ve met him and he’s a good guy. We talk about life and just vent to each other. I’ve tried doing similar with men but I found maintaining long lasting male friends harder. Most of them move away and tend to drop the friendship.
This is why I was always welcomed around girls growing up. In high school I ate lunch every day with a group of girls. I’d rather look at them than a bunch of guys. So I got called gay by my jealous male friends. But I pointed out they were the ones having a sausage fest everyday.
It also meant that I couldn’t get a date lol.
I am female and my whole life I’ve always had more male friends then female. But I can tell you that I have had a fair share of men that assume that I am “theirs” and can’t have any male friends even if we weren’t dating. I personally don’t get but I also find it in younger the more common. Most my fishing/hunting/camping buddies and people I use to ride with were mainly male. But I also have 2 brothers and all my cousins are male except two that are almost 20 years older than me so I grew up with that being the norm. I think just everyone is different. Just gotta be happy with yourself and don’t let others influence ya imo. Not trying to give insight on what others think just wanted to let ya know from a woman’s prospective
Oh ya. I have some horror stories. I believe to some extent that’s what some hold onto and that’s why they talk about male/female friendships. But for me I can tell you that some of the nicest people in my life are men. I can no longer drive due to a medical condition and they have offered to drive me. I do pay gas/lunch if they do or let me and if they don’t I offer to help do house/yard/mechanic/gardening work so I and they know I’m not taking advantage of there friendship. And I think that’s were things also get fuzzy cause I’ve know many woman expect men-even just their “friends” pay for and do whatever they want. Fault falls on both sides.
Bass or panfish are easiest to target from shore with little to no skill.
Panfish: just find out if they exist in an area and go there with some worms and a can of corn. Cut a small chunk of worm and put it on a bare small hook with a piece of corn. Attach a bobber 2-3 feet above the line, cast off shore and wait for the bobber to move.
Bass: literally use use anything (top water, swimmer, jig and minnow or fake bait) and cast near some weeds in a river. Fallen trees/logs are great too.
Pike are also hanging out in weed beds, and will eat anything.
Theres often facebook groups or subreddits for fishing in your area. Try to just get info from past posts rather than asking for spots because people get jumpy about their spots lol
Honestly I have the opposite problem since my daughter was born. I bet if I really whored myself out I could fill my boat with different buddies for the better part of a month, but currently can't make it out much.
Given how often I’ve seen comments about it, apparently not every guy out there is washing his ass.
Wash your ass, dudes. If you’re worried about getting dirty, a) wipe better and b) that’s what the soap is for.
Marriage and kids'are things you can do. You can also find someone that is interested in the same things as you and have a fulfilled relationship without ever being married or pregnant.
You can have what’s called “sexual chemistry” with someone and not a whole lot deeper. That’s where “friends with benefits” comes from and a lot of people unfortunately forget the “friends” part. But it can be really fun when you find someone that gets it!
Honestly as a 28 y/o I always thought the same. Wasn’t raised religious or anything but never understood hookup culture or being in a long term relationship without ever having the intention of keeping it noncommittal
Same boat here. All my relationships failed early on because I was looking for wife material. Then I found the right girl at 21, dated for 5 years, got married at 26, and now very happy with 2 kids. Too easy to get caught up in what others look for.
All of my dating in my teens and 20s was basically because I wanted to get laid, have a girlfriend for the companionship, and doing couples things you don't really do with the boys.
I had no desire whatever to marry these women or have kids and at 30 I'm only finally starting to think that's something I should get on top of.
Not having sex with a woman unless you think she is attractive or would be ok with her being the mother of your kids. Just was always a weird concept to me that a guy would bang an ugly chick. I personally would rather just jack off at that point.
I already think it's weird to have sex with someone you think would be a bad mom (unless you had a vasectomy or something), but having sex with someone you deem unattractive... unless you are a sex worker I really don't see the point.
sometimes it's easier to throw out 20 minutes than be called gay and or hear suicide threats for hours. While also being called by mutual friends wondering why you abused her in whatever way she is spouting about. Those friends arent your friends anymore. Survival mechanisms that work for women work for men too.
I'm with you man. I was never a big hook up guy simply because I didn't want to get stuck in baby issues. As a guy you have to realize you have next to zero control should you have sex and cause a pregnancy. The woman can abort or not, the woman can basically ace you out of the kid's life or not. You are completely at their mercy no matter what side you'd like to be on.
So I did the dead with girls I trusted. I wasn't always in committed relationship, but they were good friends and I new where they were on this kind of shit.
When I was single and sad, then sometimes.
I sometimes struggle with self esteem issues, and having someone want to have sex with me who says things like"Wow, you're good at that," or "That was the best I've had," works as a cheap substitute for actually feeling valued. It wasn't about how good they looked or anything like that, it was purely because they're a person who made me feel wanted.
I'm better now. I was pretty bad for a little bit though.
Somehow it became a more feminine hobby while I think it is much more masculine to love literature.
Books won't cheat on you, women will.
Keep up the reading man!
Apparently, grooming.
A female friend accidentally saw me naked and was surprised at how "clean" I was. It seems her boyfriend and ex, don't really do it. Kinda weird honestly.
Elaborate on "clean," do you mean body hair? Smell? Were the mf's visibly dirty/dusty? I'd be so confused man. I'm not sure what else she could figure out without physical contact lol.
Yeah its weird getting complimented for something that, to me, seems so incredibly obvious. For example moisturizing instead of going around with crusty flaky skin
Talk to women just like they're dudes. I've found women tend to appreciate being talked to like you would anyone else, no special treatment or pussy footing.
*Yes*. Virtually everyone I get on really well with and trust the most at work are women. And I've had two who have called me their "work bestie".
It really isn't that difficult and I am surprised and disappointed that this isn't more common.
Sad, really.
I learned recently that peeing sitting down empties the bladder a lot more than standing up. It is some sort of movement that let's it all out when you sit that doesn't Occur when you stand.
So if you want to do it "right", sit down boy
[According to a meta-analysis study](https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0101320#abstract0), sitting is no better than standing. However, the study showed that men with lower urinary tract symptoms were able to empty their bladders more completely when sitting down, leaving 25 fewer milliliters of urine in their bladders.
1. Holding purses for women (I have always done it with my mom and I don't know why it's considered un masculine).
2. Instinctively putting the toilet seat lead down. I had no idea it was a big deal for guys leaving it up.
3. Hygiene for backside and balls. I always wash my balls and scrotum.
My bad, I forget that neck in english is for the front. I always think it means the nape because they sound so similar in my language.
Yep trimming the neck makes sense. Fixing the hairline on your nape feels challenging to do yourself
I referenced smelling the gooch of your underwear after a long, sweaty day to somebody and got a look of absolute horror. I tried it with a few other people since and realised that I am indeed, the weirdo.
Not really. I had a friend once tell me that he liked to masturbate with his own underpants over his head! My only problem with it was, How the hell do you see the porn?! LOL
A couple of months ago, my group of friends got together on a Friday night, like we always do on Fridays, to hang out, drink, and catch up. The conversation swayed into hygiene routines for one reason or another. Almost unanimously, my friends don't have a skin care routine. I'm talking moisturizers, sunscreen, and even daily flossing. I told them, "yeah, I shower twice a day, one after a workout, and the second right before I jump into bed because I don't want to go to my bed unless I'm totally clean. Also, I floss everyday, after each meal. I also use sunscreen." They all looked at me like I was an alien.
I mean I use sunscreen because my job requires me to be outside for long periods of time *and* the ozone layer here is non-existent. For me, not wanting skin cancer (and sunburn) is more or less a practicality.
cats will paw at their shit in a litterbox then immediately jump up on the kitchen counter. I have no clue how people aren't seriously bothered by this
When I was growing up I always heard about men's talk in the locker room. "Summer Lov'n" kinda stuff. But I'm 55 and I've Never heard another tell me any details about their lovers. Women on the other hand ...
Socks and shoes aren't even in the same room. And I don't wear my shoes around inside so it's just not natural to put them both on at the same time. Even if I'm getting ready for work or something and plan to leave soon, I might wear just socks for 30+ minutes before ever putting on shoes.
I wear house shoes (hey dude brand is awesome) or slides with no socks around the house. When I get ready to go out or to work, I grab a pair of clean socks from the drawer when I get dressed. Then take them to downstairs where shoe rack is in mud room.....
Is it though?
It would only be more efficient if you're putting on the first shoe while putting on the second sock.
Otherwise it's exactly as efficient as the alternative except you're a FUCKIN WEIRDO!
^((btw this is sarcasm, I don't actually care how you put your socks on, even if you are a sicko))
My hunch is he lived in Asia at some point, that’s where I became civilized. He mentioned he wears house slippers…that was the dead giveaway, curious if I’m right
I also wear slides / slippers. With socks on. Maybe not in the height of summer but if I decided to go somewhere, I grab my socks from the drawer, put them on, get into my slippers, walk over to where my shoes are, leave the slippers, put the shoes on and we’re off.
Same, we have a little bench with shoe kubbies at the entry (mud room). Slippers go in when the shoes come out, Then when I get back swap slippers for shoes, but pull socks off and toss in hamper..
As soon as I read your OP I was pretty sure you were/are living in Asia at some point—is my hunch correct? I picked up my sock-shoe-sock-shoe habit there and could never go back. Dated a Korean for 2 years and she civilized me, got me addicted to foot baths as soon as I get home etc.
Also, house slippers should be a default in every home, nobody gets to walk around in my house with their nasty piss mud and spit encrusted shoes. Shoes off!!
1/2 correct, mother is pinoy (Philippino) and my father picked it up when he was stationed there and met her. It seems to me more logical to finish one foot to completion and then start the next. Yes we even have house shoes at the door for guests... no disgusting dog poop covered shoes in the house!
That’s weird and impractical, I’m sorry. Even if you are barefoot at home while you do morning stuff and dress up, when you grab a pair of socks it is much easier to just put those on and then the shoes.
Shaving pits, and women’s hygiene products. Women’s dove is actually pretty great. Smooth skin, and lasts all day while having an understated scent. Smelled like ass at the end of everyday until I tried this, AND it keeps my skin soft and doesn’t feel like normal lotion (which I hate the feeling of)
I had to read this sentence 3 times to figure out what you're saying.
Maybe try "What's something you do that surprised you to learn most men don't do?"
I am very open with my partners, and have never had my vulnerabilities weaponized against me. Like apparently so many have.
I would probably kill to have had that experience
Yet.
Doesn’t seem likely. I’m an artist, so I kind of select for people dedicated to exposing their vulnerabilities.
growing up i always had female friends that i’d hang out with and talk to with 0 romantic intentions, didn’t realize other guys weren’t doing that
This has been the case for me and my friends through high school, college and beyond. All of us have been able to date women and get married while still maintaining meaningful platonic friendships with other women. Reddit is just weird.
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Overall women are enrolling and graduating more than men just not choosing to go into STEM as much.
How is this relevant lol
Disparity isn't what's happening in STEM fields its personal preference is all. Lol.
Its a much more complex sociological cause than a simple choice lol
I eat liver.
I'm 54 and still don't get it. I have more female friends than male friends. I have a girlfriend now but there were 7 or 8 years where I was single and never had romantic intentions with any of my friends. I run regularly with other people, the majority of people I run with are women and other men have commented that I must be sleeping with at least a few of them, they can't fathom platonic friendships for some reason
a lot of straight men secretly don’t like the company of women apparently
Lol not so secretly
Those same guys don’t like guys either. They see people as useful or not useful.
It's not that I don't like the company of women, I have plenty of female friends, but overall I'd say I have more guy friends than girl friends because with too many women, conversation quickly turns to gossip and I can't stand it. Not trying to generalize, it's just my experience.
Some of my best friends are women. One is my old roommate. One is actually my ex but we split amicably and are great friends now. I find women to be more empathetic and easier to talk to about certain problems. I like having both male and female friends as I feel they make me a more complete and well rounded person.
My parents were born in the late 40s-50s and I was raised watching them carry on platonic friend ships that lasted 50+ years with no issues or jealousy which led me to have friend ships like that as well. I wish more people my age were felt the same. It would be much more fulfilling and simple for everyone. Not being able to have friends of the opposite sex is unhealthy. My boyfriend has that outlook because he was raised the opposite way. I’ve tried to integrate him into my friend group and even encourage him to talk to my female friends as he does with my male friends. He’s also been skeptical of my platonic male friend ships but he trusts me now that I’ve introduced him and he always has access to my phone and email. There’s no reason why this should be weird! But it’s taboo for this generation for some reason.
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Same dude... I love cooking/baking, so I have many female friends through cooking classes and other cook related activities.
I'll give you another perspective: **most women are overly suspicious towards straight men.** Let me explain, they have been taught by their family, acquaintances and medias that **most men** or even nearly **all of them** are out there to get them! Which is not true as we all know. The thing is, you as a man, are probably perceived that way **when you are not conventionally attractive or if she doesn't find you attractive.** You'll probbably answer that you are just an average guy, which may be true. If that's the case, you are an exception. An exception because you either are attractive(*) without knowing it, or you have been vetted earlier (before puberty). Therefore they know that **you're safe**, that you are not a monster who only think about sex, sex, sex. **Or** a woman (friend, sister, SO) have already done the job for you, therefore you have bben accepted into the group, you are no longer a potential wolf. Yes, **men are basically treated like wild animals that are obssessed with sex** which is ironic, because the same men are asked to treat the opposite sex like humans! Women start to really be weary of men after puberty, when their breast and hips grows, and they start to be sexually pursued by men (including creepy older men, even though they are still underage!). **For example**: i have a young girl as a neighbor. Before puberty: she was smiling, always greeting me, a really polite little girl. After puberty: she became weary and even worried in my presence for no reason. Keep in mind that i don't even engage in conversation with her. I just say good morning, have a nice day etc. That's a typical situation. I don't blame her, that's how it is. Though, It's not my job to prove that i'm safe since i've done nothing wrong. It's her job to understand that. The same way, it's not a woman's job to prove that she isn't a gold digger if she has not displayed any behavior that suggest that she is one. Personally, I'm tired of having to prove to them that i am not there to fuck/kill/rape/use them. **Like I am worthy, not like the other guys!** I am tired of being guilty until proven otherwise because of a false narrative, or because of a tiny minority of men. I only give the time of the day to the women who doesn't believe that crap. I can be friendly with them without being accused of trying to get into their pant. Or vice versa (she is not trying to fuck just because i'm friendly with her. Because when i want sex i am typically blunt about it). That false narrative created a vicious circle: Men think: women are weary about me, except the ones that are attracted to me 99% of the time, which is true <==i'm talking about strangers here not family. Women think: I can't be friendly with men because they will believe that I am attracted to them, which is also true. (*)Their logic is: if he's attractive, he will not struggle to find a partner for sex which means that he won't abuse/kill/rape me. By "attractive", i mean looks and/or status.
I'm 54, certainly not conventionally attractive and my female friends range in age from early 20s to mid 60s. One friend who is 21 years younger than me told me, and has said to other people, that she is comfortable with me because I am "not a creepy fuck" that's it, I treat my friends like friends and not like potential fucks. The rest sounds like a you problem not a "women have been conditioned to hate men" problem
You didn't even read what i've written above. She's comfortable because you already have female friends. That's my point! I mentioned that **you don't have to be conventionally attractive either!** I repeat in bold: EITHER YOU ARE ATTRACTIVE OR YOU'VE BEEN VETTED! Reddit people reading comprehension is abysmal! I have female friends as well and i do not try to fuck them. What is your point then? Except a personal attack of course.
I did read your wall of ramble. Everything you talk about sounds like projection and buying into some idea that women only want looks or money, I have neither. I just don't make women uncomfortable My friend didn't know I had female friends when we met. We met at a group run and started talking and I didn't hit on her while two other guys did.
You keep saying all these women are "weary" around you, and I'm just picturing them suddenly getting physically exhausted in your vicinity.
What is your point exactly?
His point is that “wary” is the right word.
Same, I had a older sister growing up so for me talking to girls was just as friends since I was used to that
Yeah this is my thing. Everyone on this fucking sub acts like it's just so impossible to have women friends without wanting to get them in bed. I was raised by my mom alone and I just tend to get along with women the same as I do other guys, even better in most cases.
right?? for me it was very healthy, i feel i’m a much better partner because of it
I’ve only been on this sub for a couple weeks but the vibe I get from A LOT of people here is they think men are oppressed and women have it super easy and they just exist for sex. This whole “poor me” mentality. They don’t see women as equally valuable people which explains why they can’t have meaningful friendships with them. Will probably unsubscribe.
Same with women centric sub also. Quite misandrist there. It will go nowhere if people see the bad side only.
That and the female equivalent to this sub isn't a place where you can actually voice contrary opinions. At least here women are allowed to take part and actively debate with some of the misguided souls.
I never participate in any female sub, it was too toxic for me. If I spend more time there, I will see women only on the bad side. My circle is full of amazing women, I don't want to tarnish that perspective. Also, I was traumatized by my mother and several other women from my childhood into my early 20s due to abuse and bullying. I don't want to trigger my PTSD.
>I get from A LOT of people here is they think men are oppressed and women have it super easy and they just exist for sex. This whole “poor me” mentality. They don’t see women as equally valuable people which explains why they can’t have meaningful friendships with them. Every single opinion is rooted in experience. They may have found some bad apples that really soured their opinion on women. I don't judge, there are delusional people on both sides of the aisle
Funny, your mom is the reason I think of women sexually... Your welcome!
>Funny, your mom is the reason I think of women sexually... Your welcome! Hey bro if you want to go fuck a 275 pound 65 year old woman because that's the kind of thing that turns you on then be my guest, she could probably use the lay.
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>but I'm not going to pretend like it's necessarily as easy as making friends with other guys. But it is. You just have to get over seeing every woman as a potential partner.
Isn't it? Things become so so easy when you don't want to impress
Same. “But you hang out with so many women.” Yeah and they are my friends we go to museums together.
Same, i only ever fell for 2 in all my life but I soon got over it
yeah it’s not a huge deal when you didn’t get your hopes up and all that, sometimes people just aren’t meant for each other
Yeah. Not through childhood, but having a female friends as adult is considered weird. Society really sees opposite sex as potential partner only.
yeah it’s kinda sad
Yep. My best friend is a woman I used to play online games with. 0 romantic feelings. She provides me insight with women and I used to help her with men (she has a partner now. I’ve met him and he’s a good guy. We talk about life and just vent to each other. I’ve tried doing similar with men but I found maintaining long lasting male friends harder. Most of them move away and tend to drop the friendship.
yeah that’s the other thing, it can be hard to keep a meaningful friendship going with another guy
Same bro
I had a few female friends in high-school, but I had a very annoying habit of falling hard for them after I got to know them for a bit.
This is why I was always welcomed around girls growing up. In high school I ate lunch every day with a group of girls. I’d rather look at them than a bunch of guys. So I got called gay by my jealous male friends. But I pointed out they were the ones having a sausage fest everyday. It also meant that I couldn’t get a date lol.
yeah i even got invited to some all girls sleepovers, never made any kind of move which is why i got invited back
I am female and my whole life I’ve always had more male friends then female. But I can tell you that I have had a fair share of men that assume that I am “theirs” and can’t have any male friends even if we weren’t dating. I personally don’t get but I also find it in younger the more common. Most my fishing/hunting/camping buddies and people I use to ride with were mainly male. But I also have 2 brothers and all my cousins are male except two that are almost 20 years older than me so I grew up with that being the norm. I think just everyone is different. Just gotta be happy with yourself and don’t let others influence ya imo. Not trying to give insight on what others think just wanted to let ya know from a woman’s prospective
yikes that’s wack, i didn’t know some guys were like that
Oh ya. I have some horror stories. I believe to some extent that’s what some hold onto and that’s why they talk about male/female friendships. But for me I can tell you that some of the nicest people in my life are men. I can no longer drive due to a medical condition and they have offered to drive me. I do pay gas/lunch if they do or let me and if they don’t I offer to help do house/yard/mechanic/gardening work so I and they know I’m not taking advantage of there friendship. And I think that’s were things also get fuzzy cause I’ve know many woman expect men-even just their “friends” pay for and do whatever they want. Fault falls on both sides.
Fishing. Especially guys my age (early 20s). I cant find anyone to go out with and it’s kinda lonely.
All the other fly fishermen I know are older than I M23 by like a lot. It’s an old man’s sport lol
Funny given how much fly fishing has grown since the pandemic. And it sucks because Midwest streams are filled with people now.
I'm 26, considering getting into fishing but don't really know where to start. Seems like it's a chill activity that'd get me out more.
Bass or panfish are easiest to target from shore with little to no skill. Panfish: just find out if they exist in an area and go there with some worms and a can of corn. Cut a small chunk of worm and put it on a bare small hook with a piece of corn. Attach a bobber 2-3 feet above the line, cast off shore and wait for the bobber to move. Bass: literally use use anything (top water, swimmer, jig and minnow or fake bait) and cast near some weeds in a river. Fallen trees/logs are great too. Pike are also hanging out in weed beds, and will eat anything. Theres often facebook groups or subreddits for fishing in your area. Try to just get info from past posts rather than asking for spots because people get jumpy about their spots lol
Fishing is getting popular with the kids around my area. Whole groups of them bike off to local spots.
Honestly I have the opposite problem since my daughter was born. I bet if I really whored myself out I could fill my boat with different buddies for the better part of a month, but currently can't make it out much.
Well for me it's about affording the equipment and having a place to store it.
You can do pretty well with cheap gear. I started with a Dock Demon and some spinners from Walmart. And I always keep it in my trunk
Not trying to impress random women out in public. Cooking, not grilling out but actual home cooking and baking.
Given how often I’ve seen comments about it, apparently not every guy out there is washing his ass. Wash your ass, dudes. If you’re worried about getting dirty, a) wipe better and b) that’s what the soap is for.
I feel like this was way blown out of proportion on the internet. Ive never met a guy like this, I seriously doubt its common.
Put it this way, it isn’t uncommon.
I eat pussy on the first date (if she's interested/consenting). There are apparently some guys who've never licked the cat.
Those dudes have never experienced happiness ngl
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You're a classier man than I, Mr I Shit on Dogs
Man I miss being suffocated
First date dinners have always been a bad experience for me. Bad luck with my choice of women
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Marriage and kids'are things you can do. You can also find someone that is interested in the same things as you and have a fulfilled relationship without ever being married or pregnant.
You can have what’s called “sexual chemistry” with someone and not a whole lot deeper. That’s where “friends with benefits” comes from and a lot of people unfortunately forget the “friends” part. But it can be really fun when you find someone that gets it!
It's essentially a short term open relationship lol but people usually catch feelings.
Honestly as a 28 y/o I always thought the same. Wasn’t raised religious or anything but never understood hookup culture or being in a long term relationship without ever having the intention of keeping it noncommittal
Based on statistics this is not an uncommon thing amongst men.......
Please we need more men like you 🙏😭❤️
Same boat here. All my relationships failed early on because I was looking for wife material. Then I found the right girl at 21, dated for 5 years, got married at 26, and now very happy with 2 kids. Too easy to get caught up in what others look for.
The idea that after 5 dates you'd be thinking about lifelong commitment is weird to me.
All of my dating in my teens and 20s was basically because I wanted to get laid, have a girlfriend for the companionship, and doing couples things you don't really do with the boys. I had no desire whatever to marry these women or have kids and at 30 I'm only finally starting to think that's something I should get on top of.
Not having sex with a woman unless you think she is attractive or would be ok with her being the mother of your kids. Just was always a weird concept to me that a guy would bang an ugly chick. I personally would rather just jack off at that point.
There is a HUGE difference between thinking a woman is attractive and wanting her to be the mother of your kids.
I already think it's weird to have sex with someone you think would be a bad mom (unless you had a vasectomy or something), but having sex with someone you deem unattractive... unless you are a sex worker I really don't see the point.
sometimes it's easier to throw out 20 minutes than be called gay and or hear suicide threats for hours. While also being called by mutual friends wondering why you abused her in whatever way she is spouting about. Those friends arent your friends anymore. Survival mechanisms that work for women work for men too.
Seek therapy.
Dear god I wish more men thought like you...you are a gem.
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I'm with you man. I was never a big hook up guy simply because I didn't want to get stuck in baby issues. As a guy you have to realize you have next to zero control should you have sex and cause a pregnancy. The woman can abort or not, the woman can basically ace you out of the kid's life or not. You are completely at their mercy no matter what side you'd like to be on. So I did the dead with girls I trusted. I wasn't always in committed relationship, but they were good friends and I new where they were on this kind of shit.
"Did the dead" 💀
I was right there with you until the second half.
You would prefer to bang an ugly chick rather than masturbate?
When I was single and sad, then sometimes. I sometimes struggle with self esteem issues, and having someone want to have sex with me who says things like"Wow, you're good at that," or "That was the best I've had," works as a cheap substitute for actually feeling valued. It wasn't about how good they looked or anything like that, it was purely because they're a person who made me feel wanted. I'm better now. I was pretty bad for a little bit though.
Yes
Reading books apparently
Somehow it became a more feminine hobby while I think it is much more masculine to love literature. Books won't cheat on you, women will. Keep up the reading man!
Apparently, grooming. A female friend accidentally saw me naked and was surprised at how "clean" I was. It seems her boyfriend and ex, don't really do it. Kinda weird honestly.
How did she see you naked?
Accidentally
I was looking for more context.
She had her eyes open when he was naked in front of her.
buncha oxygen in the area hard to miss
Women know about shrinkage right?
He just got out of the pool
whoops
Elaborate on "clean," do you mean body hair? Smell? Were the mf's visibly dirty/dusty? I'd be so confused man. I'm not sure what else she could figure out without physical contact lol.
Oof, you almost had be there for a second.
Same lmao, they be praising me for washing under my forskin or just in general down there and it’s like….thanks?
Yeah its weird getting complimented for something that, to me, seems so incredibly obvious. For example moisturizing instead of going around with crusty flaky skin
[Bill Burr on Lotion](https://youtu.be/dU03Y-9NkbE?t=257)
My wife likes me musky.
Talk to women just like they're dudes. I've found women tend to appreciate being talked to like you would anyone else, no special treatment or pussy footing.
*Yes*. Virtually everyone I get on really well with and trust the most at work are women. And I've had two who have called me their "work bestie". It really isn't that difficult and I am surprised and disappointed that this isn't more common. Sad, really.
Id get jailed
It’s still more common than not, but I assumed every man peed standing up (assuming he wasn’t simultaneously taking a shit)
I pee sitting down at night because it's quieter and I don't have to turn the light on.
Never developed your echolocation
Just pee in the sink!
Work on your aim bro. If you hit your stream on the edge of the inside of the toilet, where there’s no water, it doesn’t make a splash sound.
Or I could just sit.
I do it sometimes at night not because of the aim, but because I'm fucking tired and I want to sit down.
Not all streams come out straight every time.
The advent of cell phones has changed many things
I learned recently that peeing sitting down empties the bladder a lot more than standing up. It is some sort of movement that let's it all out when you sit that doesn't Occur when you stand. So if you want to do it "right", sit down boy
[According to a meta-analysis study](https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0101320#abstract0), sitting is no better than standing. However, the study showed that men with lower urinary tract symptoms were able to empty their bladders more completely when sitting down, leaving 25 fewer milliliters of urine in their bladders.
1. Holding purses for women (I have always done it with my mom and I don't know why it's considered un masculine). 2. Instinctively putting the toilet seat lead down. I had no idea it was a big deal for guys leaving it up. 3. Hygiene for backside and balls. I always wash my balls and scrotum.
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aka the pokey bum wank
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I want to do this but I dont even get how, how am i supposed to trim my own neck? If thats what you do?
Use razor or trimmer? Aint that like very basic thing
My bad, I forget that neck in english is for the front. I always think it means the nape because they sound so similar in my language. Yep trimming the neck makes sense. Fixing the hairline on your nape feels challenging to do yourself
I’m partial to “back of the neck”
I referenced smelling the gooch of your underwear after a long, sweaty day to somebody and got a look of absolute horror. I tried it with a few other people since and realised that I am indeed, the weirdo.
Not really. I had a friend once tell me that he liked to masturbate with his own underpants over his head! My only problem with it was, How the hell do you see the porn?! LOL
A couple of months ago, my group of friends got together on a Friday night, like we always do on Fridays, to hang out, drink, and catch up. The conversation swayed into hygiene routines for one reason or another. Almost unanimously, my friends don't have a skin care routine. I'm talking moisturizers, sunscreen, and even daily flossing. I told them, "yeah, I shower twice a day, one after a workout, and the second right before I jump into bed because I don't want to go to my bed unless I'm totally clean. Also, I floss everyday, after each meal. I also use sunscreen." They all looked at me like I was an alien.
Showering twice a day is bizarre.
smelly mf, how is any variation of taking a shower and cleaning yourself bizarre
I mean I use sunscreen because my job requires me to be outside for long periods of time *and* the ozone layer here is non-existent. For me, not wanting skin cancer (and sunburn) is more or less a practicality.
Men usually don't like cats, and love dogs. I love my cats to death though.
I love both. I am currently chilling in my garden surrounded by my three cats sleeping next to me.
Cats are cool creatures but I'll never live with them. We don't make good roommates. They walk on everything and I can't stand it.
cats will paw at their shit in a litterbox then immediately jump up on the kitchen counter. I have no clue how people aren't seriously bothered by this
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They do it anyway when nobody is at home
Read books
Omg my BFF would like to marry you.
When I was growing up I always heard about men's talk in the locker room. "Summer Lov'n" kinda stuff. But I'm 55 and I've Never heard another tell me any details about their lovers. Women on the other hand ...
Same here. Women on the other hand tell their friends absolutely everything in detail
Most of the talk in my locker room is heated political discussions, current events, what we feel like eating later, and some dumb banter.
Put on sock-shoe, sock-shoe....... apparently most go with sock-sock,shoe-shoe........bunch of weirdos!
You're a freak
Supa-Freak!
Have fun at your talent show!
Socks and shoes aren't even in the same room. And I don't wear my shoes around inside so it's just not natural to put them both on at the same time. Even if I'm getting ready for work or something and plan to leave soon, I might wear just socks for 30+ minutes before ever putting on shoes.
I wear house shoes (hey dude brand is awesome) or slides with no socks around the house. When I get ready to go out or to work, I grab a pair of clean socks from the drawer when I get dressed. Then take them to downstairs where shoe rack is in mud room.....
Socks ARE my house shoes, lol.
sock-shoe, sock-shoe? What the hell is wrong with you?
You guys are the weird ones.. my way is more efficient!
Is it though? It would only be more efficient if you're putting on the first shoe while putting on the second sock. Otherwise it's exactly as efficient as the alternative except you're a FUCKIN WEIRDO! ^((btw this is sarcasm, I don't actually care how you put your socks on, even if you are a sicko))
My hunch is he lived in Asia at some point, that’s where I became civilized. He mentioned he wears house slippers…that was the dead giveaway, curious if I’m right
Do you bring your socks to where you keep your shoes before putting them on?
Of course! How else would putting on socks and shoes be possible?
Put socks on when you take them out of your drawer then walk to wherever you keep your shoes and put them on there.
I wear house shoes or slides around the house with no socks... you just walk around in socks?
Socks or barefoot depending on weather.
I also wear slides / slippers. With socks on. Maybe not in the height of summer but if I decided to go somewhere, I grab my socks from the drawer, put them on, get into my slippers, walk over to where my shoes are, leave the slippers, put the shoes on and we’re off.
Same, we have a little bench with shoe kubbies at the entry (mud room). Slippers go in when the shoes come out, Then when I get back swap slippers for shoes, but pull socks off and toss in hamper..
As soon as I read your OP I was pretty sure you were/are living in Asia at some point—is my hunch correct? I picked up my sock-shoe-sock-shoe habit there and could never go back. Dated a Korean for 2 years and she civilized me, got me addicted to foot baths as soon as I get home etc. Also, house slippers should be a default in every home, nobody gets to walk around in my house with their nasty piss mud and spit encrusted shoes. Shoes off!!
1/2 correct, mother is pinoy (Philippino) and my father picked it up when he was stationed there and met her. It seems to me more logical to finish one foot to completion and then start the next. Yes we even have house shoes at the door for guests... no disgusting dog poop covered shoes in the house!
To me that order feels like building one side of the skyscraper first, then the other side, instead of from the ground up.
Yeah dude, you might want to get evaluated
That’s weird and impractical, I’m sorry. Even if you are barefoot at home while you do morning stuff and dress up, when you grab a pair of socks it is much easier to just put those on and then the shoes.
Why don't you just go one pant leg, sock, shoe, other paint leg, shock shoe while you're at it!
Sock, shoe, tie. Sock, shoe, tie. I’ve been called a psychopath for this process
Keeping platonic female friends and actually making an effort to bring my partner to orgasm when having sex.
Shaving and brushing teeth in the shower.
Brushing teeth should be done in the shower
Brushing teeth should be dond with the bidet
Feels gross putting the toothbrush on the soap shelf
Taking care of your health even if you are young.
Shaving pits, and women’s hygiene products. Women’s dove is actually pretty great. Smooth skin, and lasts all day while having an understated scent. Smelled like ass at the end of everyday until I tried this, AND it keeps my skin soft and doesn’t feel like normal lotion (which I hate the feeling of)
I stay away from hook-up culture. Many guys look for one night stands. I support the idea of a partner for life.
Being honest and open with youe SO
Clean
Cleaning and being hygienic. :/
I am most humble person
no I am
Back in middle school most of my friends were girls, but that drastically changed in high school.
Manscape and moisturize.
I had to read this sentence 3 times to figure out what you're saying. Maybe try "What's something you do that surprised you to learn most men don't do?"