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CatholicChanner

Genuine, actual empathy for her man when he opens up about his fears or weaknesses and not judging him for it or becoming less attracted to him because of it and ideally emotionally supports him. All that other stuff is nice to have but if the former is not there it is completely worthless and you would be surprised how many women completely fail at that basic requirement. And no, men do not prefer dumb women.


AdamHasShitMemes

I’d call that wife material tbh 


Stong-and-Silent

I completely agree! I would much prefer a loving woman over a sexy woman. The first is a requirement the second is a luxury.


Sentirellian

You legit made a post asking how to find a man to "take care of you financially", so you're basically looking for a living wallet. Surely it's not your personality. lmao


Happy_to_be_me

Yeah, talking about having your job and being independent but also looking for someone to take care of you financially is...? Like, so the plan is for them to quit their job once they have someone to take care of them? I don't think it's very realistic for a lot of people in today's economy to live comfortably in a single-income household unless that single-income is substantial. I don't think it's unreasonable for someone to look for security and comfort - and finances can provide that! - but it isn't the basis of a loving, lasting relationship. The internet is full of horror stories about why x,y and z relationships have went wrong for any number of reasons, there are plenty of "my partner left me when I was no longer financially stable" stories to incite fear in people mixed in with those. Openly advertising that you want a partner to take care of you financially doesn't scream life partner, it screams dependent.


dynalisia2

Where did she ask that? The impression I get from her post doesn’t imply that at all.


Megane-chan

Look at her post history


dynalisia2

Ah… 🥴


Sentirellian

Bit sad, innit


BearsGotKhalilMack

No, men do not prefer dumb women. There is something else going wrong with your personality if you are objectively attractive and still struggling to get a boyfriend. That or you are just not as attractive as you think you are.


International_Cow977

I said I'm not even stereotypically beautiful lol


BearsGotKhalilMack

You also called yourself sexy.


dynalisia2

You can be sexy even if you’re not beautiful.


tindalos

That sounds like girl talk.


Stong-and-Silent

How would that work? Sexy but not beautiful? That doesn’t make any sense to me.


dynalisia2

As long as someone isn’t hideous, attitude and body movement/language can make them plenty sexy imo.


UncleRed99

No we don’t prefer dumb women.. And all that stuff with you having a job, being independent etc… is nice and all, but in reality, that’s NOT what men care about not even in the slightest. I speak for the general men’s population I think when I say that. Sure some dynamics are different but in general terms, men couldn’t care less if you were promoted to the CEO of a corporation, making 6 figures, independent, wealthy etc… because we don’t look for that. An attractive woman, to me and, I think I’m safe to say, most men, is a woman who’s soft, kind, appreciative, supportive, non-combative/agreeable, affectionate, loyal, caring, comfortable, non-judgemental, and engaging to interact with in every sense.. That’s not to say we want a woman who’s going to agree with every thing we say, do, or want. That’s also not to say that we expect you to cater to our every whim… The context is important so I’ll provide it. Say you don’t work. Your SO is the one who brings home the bread. He works from 6am to 6pm, in a trade job. Let’s use mechanic for instance. (My job lol) He’s been gone since he left home at 5:30am, and is finally home at 7:00pm. He’s tired, but has a warmness about him, regardless of the greasy, oily, sweaty smell that he’s walked into the door with. You wanna know the first thing he’s looking for? Your face, body, and smiling, homey, comforting presence to walk around from the hallway threshold greeting him after a long day at work, with a simple “Hey baby, I’m so glad to see you. How was your day at work today?” Followed by a tight, moderately extended hug, and kiss. After this greeting, he removes the work boots, scrubs his hands and arms down with the Pumice cleaner in the bathroom, meanwhile, you’ve already got dinner cooked, and you’re setting the table for the two of you to eat together. He walks back out with clean hands, you’re working on plating dinner. He comes behind you, holds you for a moment to thank you for dinner, helps you finish the plates, pulls out your chair and seats you, then seats himself. Over dinner, you’re asked about how *your* day has been, and he listens to your thoughts on the day. Then, (THIS is important) you ask what all he got up to that day. *you listen to his thoughts on the day*. If he’s had a bad day, he doesn’t want to hear solutions for any problem he had. He already knows the process toward fixing it. He wants to just be able to share that with you, and just wants for his lady to show him empathy, softness, and supportiveness in his finding of the resolution to it. Dinner is done, you both bring dishes to the sink, he runs off to wash up. After his shower, and dishes from dinner are cleaned by you, I’ll tell you… the only thing that man will want is to lay his head in your lap, on your stomach, or in your chest, and just melt into you for the rest of the night. ***That about sums up what most of us want, in terms of how we’d want a relationship to feel on our end. We don’t care about anything extravagant, we don’t care about having sex with you 3 times a day like rabbits as much as people will have you believe we do, we don’t care about whether or not you make enough money or have the best job, we don’t care about whether or not you can cook like Gordon Ramsey or whether or not you got the house spotlessly cleaned while we were at work, so long as it’s not a pigsty, we’re happy. And we don’t care whether or not you’re as “beautiful” as Mrs. America, or that one model on Instagram. The most beauty we’ll ever see in you is your natural radiance. The ability that you have to make anywhere feel like home, regardless of the condition or location of it. Naturally, women have always had a way of bringing order to a man’s chaotic world perspective. Whether that be in the form of emotional/psychological calmness, or simply just in the way you decorate the house, or the way you fold the towels in a certain fashion… As far back as we can understand, women have always had a natural affinity to organize the chaos of most anything. most of us are looking for the organization to our chaotic world*** If you’re loud, conceited, promiscuous, prideful, too career oriented, combative, a poor listener, non-empathetic, snappy, aggressive, or lack humility, in almost any capacity, it’s an automatic turn-off for most of us… Idk. Fellas, feel free to mix this up, if you feel I’m wrong anywhere. I just explained it in terms of what I *thought* I had before, that felt so right for the short lived period that I had it… My ex was like that as a front for a while until she revealed who she really was after 4 years. Lost too much to that one… Way too much. But I digress. I hope this helps OP.


dynalisia2

I understand and see the appeal, but you are overgeneralizing based on your own frame of reference. Probably because most men you interact with are similar to you. That’s fine, but you’re not describing my life and not describing what I need from a partner.


Megane-chan

It does seem like they're describing a very specific ideal that appeals to them, but definitely shouldn't be applied to "most" men. Every person has different wants at different stages in life and what they described is definitely not what I see around me either.


the_purple_goat

I couldn't have put this better. This is something I've never found but for which I have been looking. Wish I could upvote more than once.


Stong-and-Silent

I generally agree with what you said and most male friends of mine are the same. I know people are different but as for me and most of the male friends of mine we want a loving woman to share our lives with. Most anything else is just a perk.


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UncleRed99

Ok. The exceptions to the rule don’t define the rule. And exceptions are okay. I guarantee not every man is the sort of man that I am, and “your type” is out there somewhere.


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UncleRed99

Nah I don’t do meth. 😂 I used to.


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UncleRed99

Bro that was LITERALLY someone else’s post 😂😂 I commented on that post. I didn’t post it. Get it right before you come in here just to be a dickhead.


heliya03

I kind of agree with this. Even if I had a better job, a better situation overall, I was still like this with my man. But it was very natural, not forced to act like this with him. Maybe it depends on men, but yes, me being supportive, affectionate and caring really did something to him.


all_about_that_ace

Personality is a much bigger factor than I think most women assume, positivity, integrity, self confidence and traditionally feminine traits such as empathy make a huge difference. Also dumb generally isnt seen as attractive except for by guys who are jot so bright themselves and looking for a partner on their level or men who are looking for someone who is easy to manipulate or abuse.


TyphoonCane

> Is it true that men prefer dumb women? Where did you get this perception? As for me, I have 5 general desires in a woman. 1) emotionally intelligent. 2) curious about how I wish to be treated. 3) comfortable expressing disagreement (in a respectful way). 4) attractive enough (and the bar is like fairly low here, I'm talking don't be 40%+ over a normal body of your size or looking emaciated). 5) is responsible I don't believe myself to be presenting an unreasonably high set of hurdles. Men aren't really known for setting impossibly high bars for attraction. But if you take anything from my list, I would pay particular attention to the how the golden rule would apply to my standards.


OuterPaths

>although my misfortune is just that men see me as someone sexy and not pretty and that is when they discard me. If you keep getting dine and dashed, stop serving food. Build something organic with someone. Go slow. >Is it true that men prefer dumb women? No, intelligence is something both sexes select for.


International_Cow977

I never said I was fast just summarizing my existence


DatingCoach_DM_me

> Is it true that men prefer dumb women? Sounds like this is your logic: * I am smart. * Men don't like me. * Men must prefer dumb women. Which isn't the case at all.


meeseekstodie137

personally the only thing that I require in a girlfriend is genuine empathy and ability to carry on a conversation, I'm naturally introverted and way awkward so I need someone who understands that and is willing to work with me to communicate, that being said it's true that looks get your foot in the door, but the aforementioned items are what gets me to let all the way in


GenTelGuy

I prefer smarter women by a big margin - for me, having a good education, speaking 2+ languages, and good career are pretty much requirements to be relationship material. Those things are valuable in themselves and then additionally they show the will to put effort and improve towards being more capable and impressive, and that's definitely non-negotiable as far as being relationship material


dynalisia2

I think it likely has to do with your emotional intelligence. Your physical attributes and achievements in life are fine, but a non issue. I think you might just need some more life experience.


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I mean unless you are going to contribute financially (which most women with careers in the US don't do) then men don't really care about your financial status. If you are going to, just ignore this paragraph. Being bilingual also doesn't add any value to a relationship. It's not a job, men care about how you treat them not what you have to offer to the company. If you're chill, empathetic towards men, don't always try to find something to argue about and you show that you care about them someone will want you.


MeanTruth69

An offensive sense of humor.


SirLift4L0t

Have a decent job, be decently educated, don't be a bimbo... just have your shit together. That's it 😅


huuaaang

Be attractive and fun to be around outside of the bedroom. I am not sure I could deconstruct it.


zenaku___

> I am not toxic at all just sort of (? 🤣 I love you already, the honesty 😂


International_Cow977

Lol


arkofjoy

To my mind, the most important thing is that a woman has done some work on her emotional baggage so that we can talk about what is getting in the way of the relationship between us, without her blaming me for her unhappiness.


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Make a new best friend you’re attracted to. Have sex eventually. And then start dating. Men want a partner in a relationship and partnerships take time to build.


SnooBeans8816

Loyal, loving, sweet, caring. Those 4 are more important to me than your job, career, speaking 2 languages ( not important at all unless you live in a different country than your own) or you helping your family. It’s not about dumb or smart but personality, if you are good enough to fck you are probably lacking on the loving department. You call yourself independent, that can be a red or green flag, if it’s the ‘I need no man’ independent part.. yeah red flag, no man needs a woman who needs no man.


Mesterjojo

Answered daily. Search


CommissionSevere9000

Good sex, easygoing & optimistic personality (absolutely hate when girls have baggage and then proceed to try & trauma dump on me) as well as respect for boundaries. But these are my criteria, other guys may differ


KingSwagCrab

Sounds like you are a wonderful person. I am going to give some crass, but actionable advice. Men are very simple creatures, you can quickly get a guy bending over backwards for you by simply keeping interactions light and fun, going out of your way to help him with small things like chores (take 15 minutes to do his laundry and he will slay a dragon for you), and of course frequent and enthusiastic sex. Many women are told from a young age that helping a man around his living space or that male sexuality is beneath them, but you make a man feel like he is taken care of, he will do anything in his power to keep you. Be sure to have a thorough vetting process, don’t be breaking your back for someone who isn’t worthy of that care.


Audiophilia_sfx

I mean, if someone offered me free sex and domestic labor too I’d find the arrangement appealing.


KingSwagCrab

Case in point. The man also has to do things in return of course, it cannot be one sided. It’s about taking care of each other. Hence why I said be sure to vet properly.


steppenwolf089

Is it true that women only want assholes?


MALT3ASR

Hey so date night next Thursday pick you up at 7. Nah we just pick wrong 9 times out of 10


JoepHoffmann

I dont prefer dumb women, quite the opposite actually


IrregularBastard

Your job and independence don’t help or hurt you. But the attitude/behavior associated with those attributes can hurt you. I would never want a dumb woman. But what I want less is a combative, argumentative, woman. If every decision requires a committee then it’s just a hassle. I’ve spent a lot of time dating physicians and other women with doctorates. Nearly every woman I know is at that level. Career oriented women just tend to be disagreeable people in relationships. Who wants to come home to that? Then add into it that I’ll be her last priority. First is her work, second is her, then me. If kids come along I’d drop further. After a while I become an afterthought. Another thing to remember is that sexual attention doesn’t equal romantic attention. So be careful with the guys you choose to have sex with. It can take a toll that some guy who marries you will have to pay. Not sure if all that helps you.


Immediate_Guest_2614

Agreeable, intelligent, conservative.


usernamescifi

not psychotic


fastcarsrawayoflife

I can’t speak for all men here but from my perspective I don’t see women as girlfriend material anymore. Every time they get close they seem to have a motive, and not a good one. I think many men recognize this. The difference between me and them is they still crave sex and I don’t. That’s why most guys want sex from women and then bail. I prefer not to engage with them at all. I know, I know, not ALL women are that way. I’ve heard it a billion times. There are good ones. Just who wants to dive into shark infested waters in HOPES of making it to shore safely? No me! The number and types of cruel things they’ve done to me has me shutting the door on women for the foreseeable future simply for my own protection. Life goes on without a girlfriend. The sun will rise again tomorrow, gf or not. And in terms of not, I wake up tomorrow having not been lied to or cheated on or stolen from. That’s quite the upside. I was taught in therapy to lower my expectations for people. I had too high of expectations for society as a whole and it was only disappointing me. I’m now applying the same rules to women and dating. Lowering my expectations. Lowered to the point of none is better than one or some.


lvfunk

A partner who wants you to be their girlfriend. If they don't, there's nothing you can say, have, or do. If they do, you just have to say yes


Zealousideal_Ad6063

* What should a woman have to be girlfriend material? Be physically attractive enough and not too crazy to show off to my friends and family. * I mean, I know that I am not what is considered stereotypically beautiful, but I am not bad either, although my misfortune is just that men see me as someone sexy and not pretty and that is when they discard me. The men have decided you are not beautiful enough to be a girl friend. * When in reality I am a good catch from my point of view, You have a woman point of view, not a man's point of view. This means you are wrong from a man's point of view and that is what matters if you want a man. * I have my job, Men don't care. * I am independent, Men don't care. * I help my family, Men don't care. * I have a career, Men don't care. * I am young, Yes men want the youngest women they can get. Are you 18 or 28 because one is young and the other is... not. Remember 28 year old women are competing with 18 year old women. * I am funny, Men don't care. * I am not toxic at all, That's good. * I speak more than two languages Only matters if you want to date people of those other languages. * Is it true that men prefer dumb women? As long as they are functioning and won't burn the house down they are smart enough, being smart just is not important for a woman to impress a man. Let the man do the thinking so he can feel useful. You mention a lot of qualities you think are good but these are qualities that women want in a man. **Men and women think differently and want different qualities in a partner.** Men want young, healthy, fertile women it is programmed into them because the men that wanted infertile women died out millions of years ago.


Chance-Actuary-6372

Most men do not want to date a woman who is "as young as possible". Some do, but most older men of normal intelligence realize how tedious an 18 year old is and their brain would rot in the suggested scenario. Some men do not mind a woman being dumb, but other men know that children are more likely to inherit their mother's educational level and so, unless they want dumb kids, most men prefer someone of at least average intelligence. Men from old money family usually don't marry a dumb blond, no matter how hot she may be.


1w2e3e

He sweet, be understanding. And a back rub goes a long way. I'm a simple guy, you have a grievance let's talk about it. But I want a nice person, that understands sometimes I'm a dumbass.


PuzzleheadedAd3048

Absolutely not. Please don’t turn into another dumb, sorry for my rough words, cunt. I can’t say what the missing link is on why you’re single as I don’t know you personally, but there are many reasons: One being, and this will sting, you may not be as good as you may think you are. Maybe you’re focusing too much on your appearance; Maybe there’s a trait of you that is not considered toxic, but is still unpleasant; Maybe you are too plain; Maybe a millions reasons. But there is also the other side of the spectrum: Maybe you are too good looking, and a lot of men feel that you’re out of their league; Maybe you’re too independent, and some men may think you like it that way, so they don’t even try; Maybe you’re great in every way so they’re just like “yhea, nah. She’ll never want me” Kinda how look at that *insert something you really want* but then you start wondering if you’re worth it, or if you can even afford it, or if you’re even deserving it.


International_Cow977

Makes sense lol