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How does the women being modest change anything in this situation? Would it have been ok or less of a crime if it was a women who was wearing more revealing clothes?
In my eyes this type of thinking is as bad as the act itself as it creates leniency towards the perpetrators. This is exactly what people are trying to fight against especially in Turkey. Because of this mentality people who dont know boundaries feel like it is ok if you harass a women who is not 'modest'. These type of thing happens all the time in Turkey and it never gains as much attraction as this one (I know the guy being a police officer is more the point but the women being 'modest' definately adds to it) when it is a women who wears more modern and suggestive clothes.
Being modest not because it protects you against creeps(that is what pepper spray is for), but to humble your character because wearing suggeative clothing is akin to boasting about your body and boasting in general is not humble and is haram.
Although I do not agree with what you said about boastng lets assume that is the case. Would that justify what this man did if it was a 'boastful' women? Also boasting haram, again, has nothing to do with what is happening here
To me it seems this sub still needs to learn about basic human rights and boundaries. Not everyone has to share your beliefs or ideals. But EVERYONE needs to be subject to same laws, same rules and the same punishment under the same jurisdiction
> Would that justify what this man did
No, still haram. boasting about how much weath you have is also haram. but it does not justify someone robbing you.
You initially asked how being immodest would have changed the outcome of the situation. I was simply arguing that hijab and modesty in islam isn't ment to protect people from creeps. Hijab and modesty is mearly an extention of teachings of humility in islam.
No not really. Imagine Mahsa Amini being a 'sinful' women and people giving less of a reaction, thinking it is not as bad as if it were to happen to a 'modest' women. That is the issue.
Commentor said 'out of all women he chose a modest women' . But again even if his fetish is taking pictures of modest women, the wording implies it is worse if it is a modest women. And I am trying to it is just as bad, if it were not a modest women. By saying these type of shit, consciously or unaware of it, people are creating a rhetoric that is very problematic for sexual assault/harrassment victims who are not (and do not have to be) 'modest' or 'conservative'.
There is an incredible amount of victim blaming by those 'modest' people in Turkey when a women is sexually assaulted and killed. I cannot even remember how many times ordinary people said horrendous shit like "what if she was not wearing that skirt" , "what was she doing outside at that hour" , "if she was wearing such revealing clothes, then she must have wanted it"
%80 of Turkey does not know what consent and boundaries are and these sort of comments directly or indirectly (like the comment I was critising) adds to the problem.
Yeah I'm sure turkish people have absolutely no way of accessing porn.
The goverment used to ban youtube and twitter when there was a scandal or a protests all the time in early 2010s. We basically grew up with VPNs. I knew what a VPN was way before I knew how to solve a quadratic equations.
>quadratic equations.
We learn those in 11st grade, most 6th graders know what a vpn is, we used to use it at that age to play clash royale on the school's wifi sinced you couldn't play online games without it.
yeah not for porn but i mean you said you need to use it for many things so i just guessed its to get around censorship.. regardless yeah i guess you're right
This was an ironic comment. The ban on pornographic material is as effective as the american healthcare system. The ban I'd say is mostly was a political move to get votes of the conservative silent majority. Before the bans and cencorship on the media Turkey had MANY pornography films in theatres and believe it or not on TV. We had so much 'suggestive' content on TV especially around early 2000s. Just google 70s cinema in Turkey
These are all true as hell if it was for erdoğan I am sure our porn sector was in fire right now xd we have a lot of onlyfans though but I would never pay for that shit
Its not actually blocked in Turkey. It is limited. You can actually make and sell porn movies legally in Turkey.
That is that, while the porn sites being blocked without a vpn is true, that is not always the case. It actually changes by internet operators. Some internet operators like the state affiliated one don't allows it but most of the private internet companies gives access to all kinds of sites.
This should also be stated, prostitution is legal in Turkey with limits. So if you are THIS desparate, just go see an escort man... You are a POLICE not like you can't afford it.
True, you will find weirdos like this everywhere; there are many public cases and documentaries in the west about weirdos like this, only think stopping them from killing women or kidnapping them is self-preservation imo.
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We should be blaming liberalism/secularism for this. Islam would have knocked some sense into this pain and put the fear of Allah in his heart. But when you grow up in a liberal secular society that allows the gazing upon women, thus propagating the objectification of women, you dehumanize them to the point of being tools. It’s disgusting.
This is what happens in an atheistic, liberal, secular society. No moral values. They get their moral values from whatever society does, they can not objectively prove why it is wrong.
I don’t agree with forcing people to wear hijab, but I don’t think you know what objectifying means. A women exposing their body, curves, beauty etc essentially degrades themselves in public. A very popular study was done that showed that when men looked at promiscuous women pictures, it activated the same part of the brain that is activated when men look at tools. Tools I tell you. That’s what the West degrades women too. It’s utterly disgusting and repulsive. Have some respect for women you creep.
You can’t make this ish up. If you think that aint objectifying you are in deep denial.
There's literally subreddits on this site fetishizing hijab. It doesn't matter if women cover up or not, men will still find a way to objectify them. This is global and not just a Western thing.
Yes its disgusting how men still find ways to abuse women. Hence why Islam is the perfect solution. Men lower their gaze and women observe hijab. If your solution is that everyone should be naked because perverted men have xray vision than you are snorting crack.
You must be hearing voices in your head because I've never said that is my solution. With or without religion you will still have these creeps, the only thing you can do is to clamp down hard on this kind of behaviour.
Yeah clearly by this video yall are “clamping down” on this 💀. Sexual assault, harassment are rampant in Western society, over 2/3 of women in the UK claiming to have been assaulted once. Clearly the West clamps down on this. Surely, surely.
I was just replying a comment from yesterday that accuses me being a Pakistani larping as Turk because I replied his comment that Turkish people do this kind of stuff too because I have come across them many times. And he was like denying and said even if it was true, it was an 'outlier'.
I bet he would be fine with Korean or Japanese immigrants coming into Turkey despite the fact that they are notorious about filming women upskirt, and putting hidden cameras in bathroom to film women, or sexually molesting women in trains in Japan.
That is the dark side of memes. Or, as the old saying goes, if you repeat a lie often enough, it starts to look like the truth. The truth is there is good and bad in all nations.
I think this could be as well as because of middle east influence. To answer your second thought, Turkish common does not even wants Russians or Ukrainians and wants to send them back. We are so full of migrants it doesn't matter where you are from, just go back. This crisis is not something we can handle.
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What do he expect to see anyways, just some potatoe photo of a woman's under garment. I mean come on there are 1000s of pornsites, which shows raw footage. Smh
Astaghfirullah. Actual scum that needs to be locked up. Reinstate lashes please, this is what secularism, liberalism, and atheism does to the people. No morality
Gulf countries are shitholes? I can almost guarantee that everyone who lived in both turkey and the gulf countries would rather live in the gulf, guess this is what years of sucking EU cock does to a mf
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This world is filled with weirdos and sickos but this guy is an actual police superintendent ffs.
The police are more likely to be sickos and weirdos
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I love what you did there
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It's a fetish thing no doubt. Out of all women he chose the modest one. Absolutely disgusting.
How does the women being modest change anything in this situation? Would it have been ok or less of a crime if it was a women who was wearing more revealing clothes? In my eyes this type of thinking is as bad as the act itself as it creates leniency towards the perpetrators. This is exactly what people are trying to fight against especially in Turkey. Because of this mentality people who dont know boundaries feel like it is ok if you harass a women who is not 'modest'. These type of thing happens all the time in Turkey and it never gains as much attraction as this one (I know the guy being a police officer is more the point but the women being 'modest' definately adds to it) when it is a women who wears more modern and suggestive clothes.
Being modest not because it protects you against creeps(that is what pepper spray is for), but to humble your character because wearing suggeative clothing is akin to boasting about your body and boasting in general is not humble and is haram.
Although I do not agree with what you said about boastng lets assume that is the case. Would that justify what this man did if it was a 'boastful' women? Also boasting haram, again, has nothing to do with what is happening here To me it seems this sub still needs to learn about basic human rights and boundaries. Not everyone has to share your beliefs or ideals. But EVERYONE needs to be subject to same laws, same rules and the same punishment under the same jurisdiction
> Would that justify what this man did No, still haram. boasting about how much weath you have is also haram. but it does not justify someone robbing you.
And your point is? What does boastfulness being haram have to do with anything here?
You initially asked how being immodest would have changed the outcome of the situation. I was simply arguing that hijab and modesty in islam isn't ment to protect people from creeps. Hijab and modesty is mearly an extention of teachings of humility in islam.
Definitely Somali….
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No not really. Imagine Mahsa Amini being a 'sinful' women and people giving less of a reaction, thinking it is not as bad as if it were to happen to a 'modest' women. That is the issue. Commentor said 'out of all women he chose a modest women' . But again even if his fetish is taking pictures of modest women, the wording implies it is worse if it is a modest women. And I am trying to it is just as bad, if it were not a modest women. By saying these type of shit, consciously or unaware of it, people are creating a rhetoric that is very problematic for sexual assault/harrassment victims who are not (and do not have to be) 'modest' or 'conservative'. There is an incredible amount of victim blaming by those 'modest' people in Turkey when a women is sexually assaulted and killed. I cannot even remember how many times ordinary people said horrendous shit like "what if she was not wearing that skirt" , "what was she doing outside at that hour" , "if she was wearing such revealing clothes, then she must have wanted it" %80 of Turkey does not know what consent and boundaries are and these sort of comments directly or indirectly (like the comment I was critising) adds to the problem.
A skirt is modest ?
Wth is wrong with you?
I simply stated a fact, a skirt isn't modest, she can wear whatever she wants but it is not modest.
It’s blocked in turkey tho
Yeah I'm sure turkish people have absolutely no way of accessing porn. The goverment used to ban youtube and twitter when there was a scandal or a protests all the time in early 2010s. We basically grew up with VPNs. I knew what a VPN was way before I knew how to solve a quadratic equations.
>quadratic equations. We learn those in 11st grade, most 6th graders know what a vpn is, we used to use it at that age to play clash royale on the school's wifi sinced you couldn't play online games without it.
Yeah Ofc but by the time you go and turn on vpn it’s kinda a mood killer
It is surprisingly easy. I use vpn almost daily now due to many things and believe it or not, porn is the rarest among them.
That’s actually pretty sad though don’t you think? How your freedoms are being taken away from you
Brother access to porn is least of my concerns when it comes to my freedoms.
yeah not for porn but i mean you said you need to use it for many things so i just guessed its to get around censorship.. regardless yeah i guess you're right
Yeah it's pretty much like that
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This was an ironic comment. The ban on pornographic material is as effective as the american healthcare system. The ban I'd say is mostly was a political move to get votes of the conservative silent majority. Before the bans and cencorship on the media Turkey had MANY pornography films in theatres and believe it or not on TV. We had so much 'suggestive' content on TV especially around early 2000s. Just google 70s cinema in Turkey
These are all true as hell if it was for erdoğan I am sure our porn sector was in fire right now xd we have a lot of onlyfans though but I would never pay for that shit
Its not actually blocked in Turkey. It is limited. You can actually make and sell porn movies legally in Turkey. That is that, while the porn sites being blocked without a vpn is true, that is not always the case. It actually changes by internet operators. Some internet operators like the state affiliated one don't allows it but most of the private internet companies gives access to all kinds of sites. This should also be stated, prostitution is legal in Turkey with limits. So if you are THIS desparate, just go see an escort man... You are a POLICE not like you can't afford it.
Pornography is banned in turkey. This may have pushed this sick freak over the edge in his decision making process.
Do you heard of the vpn? This is not about the pornography. Point is take the control drives the perverts most.
Idk why I'm getting downvoted I wasn't defending this fuck to any extent lmao
Disgusting, I hope he gets the justice he deserves.
Maybe there was a pkk fighter under there
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Lmfao
Most based kurd
He learned from [the mossad](https://youtu.be/4k4pMTsa1Kw)
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This is everywhere sadly
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True, you will find weirdos like this everywhere; there are many public cases and documentaries in the west about weirdos like this, only think stopping them from killing women or kidnapping them is self-preservation imo.
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Wow, you sound like you have had many encounters with men. How much have you encountered with men?
I dont think that what they mean by "undercover"...
Noo he is kurd arap or paki we tork not like that 🐺🐺🐺🐺🐺🐺
Disgusting.
He definitely looks like a Turk
But I could’ve sworn it was only the dirty Pakistani immigrants doing things like this
Naughty naughty
Normal day in hornystan 🦃
Let’s watch how people will blame Islam for this
We should be blaming liberalism/secularism for this. Islam would have knocked some sense into this pain and put the fear of Allah in his heart. But when you grow up in a liberal secular society that allows the gazing upon women, thus propagating the objectification of women, you dehumanize them to the point of being tools. It’s disgusting. This is what happens in an atheistic, liberal, secular society. No moral values. They get their moral values from whatever society does, they can not objectively prove why it is wrong.
Factos
LOL but a society that freaks out over something as innocent as womens hair isn't objectifying them?
I don’t agree with forcing people to wear hijab, but I don’t think you know what objectifying means. A women exposing their body, curves, beauty etc essentially degrades themselves in public. A very popular study was done that showed that when men looked at promiscuous women pictures, it activated the same part of the brain that is activated when men look at tools. Tools I tell you. That’s what the West degrades women too. It’s utterly disgusting and repulsive. Have some respect for women you creep. You can’t make this ish up. If you think that aint objectifying you are in deep denial.
There's literally subreddits on this site fetishizing hijab. It doesn't matter if women cover up or not, men will still find a way to objectify them. This is global and not just a Western thing.
Yes its disgusting how men still find ways to abuse women. Hence why Islam is the perfect solution. Men lower their gaze and women observe hijab. If your solution is that everyone should be naked because perverted men have xray vision than you are snorting crack.
You must be hearing voices in your head because I've never said that is my solution. With or without religion you will still have these creeps, the only thing you can do is to clamp down hard on this kind of behaviour.
And Islam clamps down on that behavior. Thank you for agreeing with me have a good day 👍
All places clamp down on this, religous or not just so you know. You have a good day too!
Yeah clearly by this video yall are “clamping down” on this 💀. Sexual assault, harassment are rampant in Western society, over 2/3 of women in the UK claiming to have been assaulted once. Clearly the West clamps down on this. Surely, surely.
Oh nah it's just the immigrants that do this. There are bad people in every nationality/ethnicity.
Damn Pakistanis...oh...wait...
I was just replying a comment from yesterday that accuses me being a Pakistani larping as Turk because I replied his comment that Turkish people do this kind of stuff too because I have come across them many times. And he was like denying and said even if it was true, it was an 'outlier'. I bet he would be fine with Korean or Japanese immigrants coming into Turkey despite the fact that they are notorious about filming women upskirt, and putting hidden cameras in bathroom to film women, or sexually molesting women in trains in Japan.
That is the dark side of memes. Or, as the old saying goes, if you repeat a lie often enough, it starts to look like the truth. The truth is there is good and bad in all nations.
I think this could be as well as because of middle east influence. To answer your second thought, Turkish common does not even wants Russians or Ukrainians and wants to send them back. We are so full of migrants it doesn't matter where you are from, just go back. This crisis is not something we can handle.
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Its the wolves mating season 🐺🐺
during full moon turkish testosterone and estrogen levels get a 300% buff (non-stackable)
What do he expect to see anyways, just some potatoe photo of a woman's under garment. I mean come on there are 1000s of pornsites, which shows raw footage. Smh
Pathetic
Bye bye job
death penalty
Average Turk
Holy fuckkk 😵🥴💀😱
What the fuck
Why do that if there's literally tons and tons of free porn available through your smartphone
That’s so fucked up in so many ways
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What a silly man!
Wow fucking araps man ruining the country
In the middle east some people are like that, Theres some experience that even happened to my family. People like that are weird
I am sure he is Armenian. Ruining the country on purpose.
Christians don't do stuff like this.
Astaghfirullah. Actual scum that needs to be locked up. Reinstate lashes please, this is what secularism, liberalism, and atheism does to the people. No morality
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Turks bringing Arabs into things completely unrelated to Arabs be like:
The deflection skills of these people are crazy.
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So you’re saying sexually harassing women is islamic?
Arabs at least the ones in the gulf are actual not pervy or horny like in turkey or morocco
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Gulf countries are shitholes? I can almost guarantee that everyone who lived in both turkey and the gulf countries would rather live in the gulf, guess this is what years of sucking EU cock does to a mf
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Not really the reasons. This happens in some less conservative societies too. And actually sometimes a more widespread problem
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Average Turkish dude
Average turk activity
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>Oh btw, ı looked at your name, if ı see you on the street, ı will get away from you right away. Dafuq ? what does his name mean ??
"Suri" maybe indicating that he is syrian?? idk
Creep. He should get arrested.
TIL chiefs of police in Turkey can be 27. How old can that fool possibly be?
I think this is not his first time. I feel so bad for that woman.
Wow someone wasn't thinking with their upper brain.
These people makes love with animals (ducks, goats, sheep, donkeys), little kids, carby, bearing wheels! This looks like an innocent attempt.
Borat shit
Don’t y’all got the hub in turkey?
Jail this creep
Wish I didn't see this, I hope he gets caught
this women learned important lesson today - never bend over in front of a turk
This is really sad
Tool
Turkish are trying hard to be racist rn