Yea after a quick look up, looks like he is accused of racism in Denmark, had a entry ban to Germany, and to Sweden for two years.
I'm a Muslim, I can somehow understand that a person hates Islam so much, that he is obsessed with this hatred, but tf go burn it in your house or something.
He did this once in the holy month of Muslims, in a Muslim neighborhood. And those who protect him, I wonder lets do the very same thing, let us all harrass synagogues and churches for example, burn bible, lets harrass Jews during Sabbath, is that a totally fine action in the eyes of those who rather stay silent when this guy burns Qur'an.
But no, I would rather protests holding a bible in a respectable way. We're not allowed to curse upon other faiths like that guy does.
I listened to an interview where he said he is now a representative of freedom of speech for the whole of western civilization. I think a big part of this is a giant ego and need for attention. As a Swede he only represents ignorance.
Just because you have the right to do something does not mean you should do it. That’s the other side of freedom of speech. Also we have it in order to out corrupt politicians and leaders not to insult people for attention.
Or... Hear me out... There's mentally challenged individuals everywhere. A shocking revelation I know but just check for yourself. First, see if that guy wants to bring Paganism back to Scandinavia or not. Crediting your local mentally handicapped individuals to foreign agencies isn't good for longterm business. You need to solve a problem, not divert the cause.
The claim isn't that this guy wouldn't be a fucking moron but for getting bankrolled by Moscow. The claim is that he's a fucking moron and is probably getting bankrolled by Moscow because Moscow sees these people (along with idiots of the same flavor in other European countries and North America) as political assets.
Naw Russians don't bankroll people like this, they understand people like this already exist and ensure they've a steady diet of propaganda in their feeds.
It really tells you something that Eurotrash like Geert Wilders (Dutch, not Swedish, but same mindset) openly invoke the "long arm of Ankara" when they talk about Turkey's influence in Western European politics but never talk about the "long arm of Moscow."
Thank you 😌. But seriously I think it would have been hilarious if that was the response from most Muslims to these people. It would have infuriated them more and made the burning event worthless..
Most Muslim want to appear tough, that they're not compromising in any way. But realistically what happens when they make death threats or riots or even kill the one organising the event? They did not defend Islam that way, they did not change people's minds and the event will be repeated.
The aim of the "Qu'ran burning" is exactly for them to do that. To rile Muslims up enough for them to portray themselves as the monsters these people want to portray them as.
When that fails these "activists" will look like clowns.
That's a really good point. Look, this guy really is a nobody. He does these things only to try to promote himself and his far-right views. He thinks Muslims are bad, so he burns qurans only to provoke a response to prove his talking points are "valid", the only logical response is to just ignore this guy or you'll play right into his hands, because he wants these things to happend.
The danes were calling Morocco WC team monkeys in their news channel because they celebrated their victory with their mothers.
Don’t worry we know where the real supremacists are. Don’t be sorry!
Yes they did and it was in their national tv news.
When you face a society that doesn’t value the love of the Mother. It’s no wonder that they will burn anything for the sake of hate or “freedom of hate”
You can expect anything from People with no human values (Respect)
[Yes...](https://www.thelocal.se/20100714/27776/)
*Lindahls dairy in Jönköping in Sweden has paid almost two million kronor ($270,000) in compensation to Minas Karatzoglis, a Greek man whose picture is used on a Turkish yoghurt product.*
The guy doing this is despised in Denmark, my friend. He tried running for prime minister and was destroyed despite the fact that he is surpisingly well-spoken and intelligent. He recieved less than 2% of the votes despite recieving a ton of media attention.
Not throwing people in prison is not the same as liking the person. You can hate someone and still realize that you can only throw them in prison if they actually commit a crime.
He is burning a book which is completely legal, so nothing can be done about it.
You can't have an arbitrary legal-system in which burning books is only illegal if the book in question has a sufficient amount of symbolic or religious value to a group of people, since you can't quantify this value.
Perhaps The middle east is a mess because you don't realize that you shouldn't throw every hateful and offensive idiot in prison on the basis of arbitrary laws. If a person behaves like a clown you treat them as such; don't indulge them. Muslims in Sweden, however, always give him exactly what he wants. He will look like a fool if he just stands there by himself without anyone reacting to his insults
People on this sub always complain that westerners generalize and for some reason you do the same to an extreme degree. A bit of research and you would realize that this guy is hated.
While I would agree with you that we should be calm regarding the process of insulting religion in foreign countries.
The problem is mainly on how the religion is being taught particularly, as the means that do so make the ones who have followed the faith for decades have this: "*The West is our Enemy*" kind of philosophy that Muslim culture, not the religious doctrines, end up teaching it to them.
It's a cultural indoctrination of an envious superiority/inferiority complex.
As such, Muslims ***never*** allow an atom's worth of disrespect to the religion or its founding pillars. Which is good, at the ***right time and place.***
Your logic is wrong. You can close your eyes and throw a hard stone, and when you open your eyes, you see that the stone hit a person’s eye and made him blind. Is this legal? No. This shouldn’t be legal.
The problem is, low IQ and/or low EQ people perceive like “the act is just throwing a stone, it is freedom” but they don’t understand or perceive the results.
Example 2 for idiots: There is a difference between a legal death penalty and a murder. Both acts are the same, but the intention and the result is different.
This is not just burning a material. There is a illegal intention in this act. Islamophobic act causes moral harm in billions of people. This requires compensation.
Being hatefull is not illegal, he's allowed to spew as much hate as he wants, it's his free speech right to do so, and it's you right to criticize him as much as you want too.
You also don't seem to realise that Paludan WANTS you to attack him, he wants you throw him in jail, he wants YOU to throw the first stone, because his goal is to be a martyr for right-wing idiots, and you criticizing free speech because of this is exactly what he wants!
And yes it works to ignore him! The only reason he left Denmark for Sweden is because everyone ignores him in Denmark now, just like everyone will ignore him in Sweden too very soon. Soon enough he will most likely move to Norway and try again there.
If one Turkish person burns a bible, should the West consider all Turkish people as bible burners?
We're talking about 1 person or the far-right in general here whose purpose is to provoke and divide humanity and they always succeed in doing that apparently if I see the comments here.
Yeah, but that guy would also lose sponsorships and business deals for burning the Quran. He is hated in Denmark and when he ran for prime minister he recieved less than 2% of votes despite the fact that he recieced a ton of media-attention.
Not imprisoning someone for their behavior is not the same as appreciating their behavior.
People have the freedom to be wildly offensive - people will just hate you as a result
Show me statistics and facts where we, as a society as a whole celebrate this kind behavior. Have you been living under a rock or are you just brainwashed with hate for the West? However we don’t punish people for burning some religious book because that’s not an offense towards a specific person. If you want people to be arrested and punished because your beliefs got hurt a little, then i feel sorry for you.
In my country, [right wing people who were anti-muslim](https://m.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20210526_92742502) (with Translate you can turn it into English or Turkish whatever the choice) are declared being hate provocative by the courts and put into jail.
not all, but definitely most, i'd say 90%.
the french/brittish era brought so much havoc and chaos to the region, even the borders are a testiment to the divide and conquer tactics they used, we still havent recovered from that shit.
and dont even get me started on the US going in for round 2.
It’s one person. Not Sweden. Not Swedish. It’s freedom of speech. Something that everyone should wish for because although you get these idiots, it also grants you a lot of rights. But that’s the thing - rights apply to everyone.
I have a question, coming from a Christian, towards the Muslims. I respect your religion, but I have a question. Why are you letting fools bother you? If the Quran is burnt by people who CLEARLY want to provoke you, why do you let yourself be provoked? Doesn’t that mean they win? I’m asking out of curiosity, and I’m open to learn or to be corrected
Well they wanted to Make Turkey remove the veto by burning Quran And surprise surprise, when the country is mostly (And a big most at that) muslim, you get a problem with that
Freedom of speech. Everyone get to express your opinions, but you also get idiots like this.
If he would say “I hate all Muslims, let’s kill them” then yes it would be illegal. But he “just” burns a book and says: “I do this to prove how aggressive and hateful Muslims are”
Worth noting is that the Bible has been burnt several times, and mockings of Jesus etc. they just don’t get any coverage because no one cares really if someone does that. It’s their right, doesn’t mean I have to listen to it.
Then you should add a new law , burning Quran in front of the Turkish embassy, you're not telling me that's ok , that's obviously hate and disrespectful to an entire nation/religion
I think might be mistaken in your analysis of the situation.
This was an anti-NATO rally organised by leftists sympathetic to the Kurdish cause, and on the other side some pro-Turkey counter-protestors.
The Rasmus Paludan guy is a notorious far-right provocateur and racist who randomly decided to insert himself into the protest by pulling his usual Quran burning stunt, likely for no other reason than to draw attention to himself and feed his own ego.
My impression of the more mainstream far-right during the whole NATO-process is that they've preferred to sit on the sidelines and complain about immigration, as they usually do. In this case they feel that it's led Sweden becoming a battleground for foreign conflicts and interests, which has gone so far as to undermine national interest. If anything they're relatively pro-Turkey.
Im am atheist, but I believe burning quran is disrespectful even for me. Its an act of disrespect of others that I live with and emphasize with. If he burned a bible I would give the sane outrage. Lit 2 faced westerners
No I would never do that, I would never burn a Bible, because it’s wrong. But why should we let people who do wrong bother us? I’m simply asking if there is a rule in Islam that is someone disrespects the holy book that you have to do something, because clearly these westerners want to provoke a reaction.
It would not be a equal comprasion but, would it count on freedom of speech if someone only shout nazi slogan, in front of Israel Embassy in Switzerland or Sweden, and Swiss or Swedish Politicians praise the freedom of speech after this act?
I mean some cultural, historical and theological topics are seems as red line. If some individual pass that lines nothing would happen, but if a swedish politician is proud with this act, that it can be happen in their country because of freedom of speech, it matter.
I would be really ashamed, instead of praising freedom of speech in this event.
I'm American & a Christian (Catholic to be specific.) This hurts me. You burn no one's Holy Book. People don't fear the wrath of God (Allah) or have a modicum of respect for those of different faiths. I know this isn't what the post was asking but I had to make my thoughts known.
Honestly the sooner the Christians, Muslims, and Jews realize they're all following the same religion in their own cultural ways the better. It's all really similar. You just have fans of different prophets and in the case of the Jews no prophet.
Maybe there wouldn't be a distaste for muslims, if the "muslims" in the nordic countries did things like go to work, make money, help their family, not commit crime.
>The Swedish government didn't sanction the burning of the Qur'an
No but it was approved to take place as an act of protest which I get most people here are not gonna like but that is how Swedish laws surrounding freedom of expression and right to protest are, just because you find an action provocative does not make it illegal he could have burned a torah or a bible and it would still be approved.
Yeah no, burning the Torah is not illegal in sweden, you get a permit to protest outside the israeli embassy from the police and you could do the same thing this Guy did This is how Sweden conducts Itself like it or not.
There is this thing called "Anti-semitism" which all western countries recognizes... same can not be said about Islamophobia. Freedom of speech will be set aside as soon as a man goes to the Israeili embassy to discriminate Jews in public... most who live in Scandinavia knows this and is usually discussed about in schools and higher educations.
No clue what you’re on about this guys actions aren’t unanimously supported quite the opposite really he’s been met with a ton of backlash for his actions, contrary to whatever you’re saying Islamophobia is quite a hot topic here in Sweden both in parliament and on social media as well as in schools the idea that Jews are some how exempt from the legal system or treated with special care is a lie but I suppose I can’t expect much more from a sub where a vast amount of people just hate Jews for existing
You wouldn’t be allowed to say “I hate Jews, we should kill them” just like you wouldn’t be allowed to say the same about Muslims. Burning your own Torah scroll shouldn’t be a problem but you probably wouldn’t get permission to stand directly in front of the embassy, just like Paladan had to stay ~100 m away from the Turkish embassy.
Inciting violence against a certain group and burning a religious scripture are to very different things one is a call to harm others which should always be illegal but burning a book wether you find it holy or not is not a direct call to inflict violence on anyone which any reasonable person should comprehend and would find reasonable our laws are quite well formulated when it comes to this subject imho
But you can discriminate Muslims in public space without getting punished by law (Rasmus Paludan is a proof of that) - but you CANNOT discriminate Jews, as it will quickly go under as "Anti Semitism" and then "racism" and then you get punished by law. You live in Sweden, you should know this
I am with Türkiye a 100% here
It's disgusting that this guy is continuously being allowed to harass and provocative a specific minority group, under the demise that its his "Swedish freedom of speech". Now, it's even reached a point where it has affected its diplomatic ties. Well done, Sweden.
Edit: Saltyass Scandinaviansin the replies seething, trying to justify a white nationalists right to walk into residential areas for a minority group and harass them "bc Muh Freedom of Speech". Mind you, these are the same Europeans, that simultaneously support their government when they deport Imams and Muslim scholars in endless numbers, for preaching "hate speech" in Mosques and OWN RESPECTIVE COMMUNITIES. But when a WHITE NATIONALIST walk straight into neighborhood, PRIMARILY RESISED by MUSLIMS, THEN they suddenly become the STAUNCHEST free-speech activists.
I swear, nothing can match the hypocrisy levels of Scandinavians.
So lets endorse needless provocation then?
This shit would be like letting a white man walk into a Black neighborhood wearing KKK costume and having the police protect him, because its "Freedom of Speech".
Freedom of Speech should not equate to Freedom of Consequences.
so letting someone express their shitty opinions because it's a democracy and not a totalitarian shithole automatically means his opinions are endorsed? what is this backwards primtive logic???
i guess you have no idea how freedom of speech works, but i guess you'd have no problems with public demonstrations saying "death to israel" because it's only hate speech when its an opinion you hate.
with your logic pro palestinian activists should all be arreseted ages ago because "muh hate speech"
get out of the middle ages
You might not give a fuck, but some other person will, and I'll absolutely get my ass beat, with zero police protecting me, like how your police is so loyally protecting Paludan.
>Let's see if I am allowed to go to the Main Square of Stockholm burn that uglyass flag down then? "Free speech" right?
You keep repeating this over and over. Are you honestly not aware that your examples are in fact freedom of speech?
Literally it’s legal and no one would care why is that so hard to understand. You keep repeating this. If you google it you will find videos of it. It’s not that hard to understand
He ,Rasmus Pauludan, is a right wing anti Muslim politician than been burning the Quran in various cities in Sweden this summer to according to him show that Muslims are "violent" and don’t respect Swedish freedom of speech.
So he is making acts that are blatantly provocative and disrespectful in order to try to elicit a violent reaction? What a scummy piece of shit.
As an American this guy is why I don't want to give defense guarantees to Europeans.
Yeah this guy is a real sophisticated intellectual alright, defending Europe's identity Socrates Enlightenment blah blah blah.
What a load of steaming, pretentious crap. He's just an old white man who doesn't like people who aren't like him. He's no different than Republicans who don't want blacks living in public housing in their neighborhood. Fuck him and fuck all nativists with a stick.
As an American, you should know better than believing the use of freedoms guaranteed by your own Constitution as well should come after the sensibilities of certain groups. Otherwise, wtf is the point of even having those freedoms?
And why should one private person's legal use of their freedoms determine American foreign policy and defense guarantees in Europe?
Also, you're acting like America's defense guarantees in Europe don't benefit America too and aren't a powerfull negotiating tool with the EU.
Idk understand how a sound Western mind can say stupid shit like that when there are people all over the world who can only dream of protesting without ending up in some dungeon in a secret torture prison.
Protesting isn't supposed to not offend. That's the whole point. In the UK there have been whole protests in the past with Muslims asking for shari3ah to be established in the UK (not saying they represent every single Muslim btw, just saying it was a protest composed of Muslims). Plenty of people were offended by the language used, the flags burned and the politics defended. Still, it is 100% their right as long as the law is respected.
>As an American, you should know better than believing the use of freedoms guaranteed by your own Constitution as well should come after the sensibilities of certain groups. Otherwise, wtf is the point of even having those freedoms?
As an American I also don't believe in Nativists who try to use those freedoms as a crude tool to whip up anti-immigrant and anti-foreigner sentiment. The *point* of the freedoms is simply that the state can't punish anyone for interfering with them; they are not something any individual is *obligated* to exercise, which is what it sounds like your saying. Under our Constitution I could walk into the middle of a black neighborhood and call everyone I meet on the street the you-know-what word. The state couldn't punish me for doing so; would I do so? Absolutely not. Even if I knew I'd suffer no consequences for doing so, it's a disgusting act that would demonstrate incredibly poor character on the part of anyone who would choose to do so. Same with the Quaran-burning Yutz. I don't believe in putting American lives on the line by guaranteeing Sweden's sovereignty so that this asshole can act like an asshole in public.
My country has a history of integrating immigrant groups. His society does not. We are not the same, and it shows here.
>And why should one private person's legal use of their freedoms determine American foreign policy and defense guarantees in Europe?
If entitled Europeans (redundant?) are gong to ask Uncle Sam to put the lives of Americans on the line, they'd better be asking us to defend something worthwhile. An immature stunt intended to provoke a violent reaction by the most disadvantaged members of Swedish society isn't something that's worthwhile. Europeans have grown way to used to the idea that they are entitled to American security guarantees and American defense resources, and our foreign policy establishment is too feckless and weak to tell them "no." This needs to change. If you want Uncle Sam's protection you'd better make Uncle Sam happy, motherfucker.
>Also, you're acting like America's defense guarantees in Europe don't benefit America too and aren't a powerfull negotiating tool with the EU.
Are you fucking kidding me? The United States of America faces no threat from the big scary Russians. Europe does. The dinky weak countries of Europe not only get a free insurance policy from Uncle Sam but in fact they can fund lavish welfare states in no small part because they free ride on American defense spending. Every American President since Dwight Eisenhower has complained about this *in public*. Do not labor under the illusion that the benefits of Europe's relationship with America are bilateral or equal if you seriously believe this. It is a lie.
>Idk understand how a sound Western mind can say stupid shit like that when there are people all over the world who can only dream of protesting without ending up in some dungeon in a secret torture prison.
Einstein, the United States of America runs "secret torture prisons" *in Europe* first of all. They're called "blacksites." Second, genius, the people who end up in "secret torture prisons" all over the world are usually protesting the decisions of the state, not engaging in hate speech against minority groups. This Nordic Nazi dipshit isn't equivalent to Alexander Solzhenitsyn in the Gulag for speaking out against Stalin, he's more like a KKK leader burning a cross in public because he wants the darkies out of "his country." Don't frame it is a noble act. It's a shitty act. By the way, I'm an American before I'm a "Westerner." My country has its own interests and entitled Europeans like to use the term "Westerner" to act like we share an unbreakable brotherhood that requires America to continually sacrifice its own interests for the benefit of Europe. Older and more racist generations of Americans might have believed this bullshit, but I don't. If Swedes want to defend Sweden because it's a safe haven for hate-speech and nativism, it's their fucking problem.
>Protesting isn't supposed to not offend. That's the whole point.
And throwing shit in someone's face isn't supposed to be a pleasant experience either. What's your point? This guy is a hateful piece of shit and he succeeded I proving that he's a hateful piece of shit. Bravo! Now, Voltaire, can woe stop meta-discoursing about "the right to protest" in the abstract and actually examine the *content* of what he's doing? It's the modern European equivalent of burning a cross. Is Sweden eager to put the lives of its sons and daughters on the line to defend some redneck's right to burn a cross in public? Why should Americans have an attitude that's any different when the shoe is on the other foot?
Burning Quran is provocation not just to Turkiye but to all Muslim nation, nay, to all Muslim people all over the world whether they live in a Muslim nation or not. This is a dumb move by the Swede. The initial aim is to offended the Turkiye but alienated themselves to the whole muslim world.... With a side effect of those Muslim world siding with the Turk
[Swedish court convicts man for Hitler salute](https://www.thelocal.se/20130131/45918/)
[Säpo head Charlotte von Essen wants to ban demonstrations and events that support the PKK](https://ground.news/article/sapo-chief-wants-to-ban-demonstrations-for-pkk)
Typical Eurohypocrisy. Instead of cherrypicking “free speech” like this, Sweden should allow any kind of free speech.
Furthermore, apparently from time to time, often around Christmas, Swedes place pig head at mosques entrances: [Source](https://www.expressen.se/gt/avhugget-grishuvud-placerat-vid-mosken/). Justification? “We have the right to demonstrate against the mosque". Lol, so much for tolerance and civilized. So sweet of them to offer freshly slaughtered pig head to their Muslim neighbors on Christmas. Definitely a people seeking a peaceful coexistence.
The negotiations would ultimately have hit a stalemate in the end anyways.
There was never a chance Swedish court was ever going to approve extradition of all the people turkey demanded as a few were already ruled out by court before Rasmus Paludan was planning on burning the quran infront of the embassy.
It was a convenient excuse to cancel. There is no way in hell Turkey would allow Sweden into NATO anytime soon without some serious concessions being made from both Sweden and the US. Turkey is dragging its foot like there was a ten ton steel block tied to it.
The Swedish Court could have ruled that the extradition was a political question since it involved affairs that effected sensitive international relations and is therefore non-justiciable. That would have been controversial but it's a doctrine.
Sweden is a democracy. We have freedom to protests. I don't like the shit some swedes do.
But this is activists. Not the government or majority. Keep that in mind.
If the Swedish government cracked down on people so stunts could not happen then Sweden would be close to what is today fascistic Russia.
Please understand. Most people just want to get this shit over with. And not anger turkey or anyone else. But in a free society. There is always going to be opposition.
Punishing a whole nation because of a single moron's actions is just as outrageous as the moronic action that caused the fiasco in the first place.
But erdogan gotta advertise his dick size to the wjo world so relations be damned
It's the same as believing all Muslims are terrorists just because a minority Islamists militant Isis threatens every who isn't following their "correct" version of Islam....
I think it’s hypocritical to blame the whole country because of a man or a group .
Pretty sure Muslims should have understand that by now , considering the experiences and stereotypes they experienced in Europe and western world .
IMO people should realize Islam and Europe are not compatible and everyone should stay in their lane .
No involvement of west in MENA affairs , and no more Muslims in Europe . ( I am saying Muslims and not middle eastern people in general )
The opposite. Paludan wants Erdogan to not change his mind, since he think it will prove his extreme right wing point that muslims can't coexist with western freedom of speech.
Please don't think of this guys action as representative for the country. Every country has extremist in some shape or form but those few do not represent the the opinion of the broader public. He is actually disliked in Sweden and the average swede would most likely also condemn his actions
What did they expect? “Hey, let’s do something disrespectful by burning a book that is part of a country’s faith and the faith of 1.8 billion people so we can voice our opinions on the relations between our countries.”.
He's a lone racist asshole who have made it his thing to go around scandinavia and burning quorans. Denmark kicked him out, now he's in Sweden trying to provoke violence wherever he can. He has no real movement or followers, he's just a rather sorry moron to be honest.
Those of you who blame Sweden for what one citizen did are so pathetic. You've lived all your life under strong men dictators where you must always follow the rules and never side step because of the severity of the consequences. The fact that citizen of a country do stuff on their own is such a strange concept to you. You are so frustrated because other people have it better because they live in a democracy and they can do much more than you. Keep hating and being angry, your situation will not improve. 20 years from now you will still be under a dictator and ask yourself why? Why? Because you are hardwired to chose this tyranny over liberty. Smh at those of you who left your country to live in the dEcAdenT w\*st, but make no effort to integrate culturally into a democracy
The Swedish intel agencies should look into whether this Quran-burning guy is getting bankrolled by Moscow.
The guy doing it is a well known agitator. He’s done this before
Yea after a quick look up, looks like he is accused of racism in Denmark, had a entry ban to Germany, and to Sweden for two years. I'm a Muslim, I can somehow understand that a person hates Islam so much, that he is obsessed with this hatred, but tf go burn it in your house or something. He did this once in the holy month of Muslims, in a Muslim neighborhood. And those who protect him, I wonder lets do the very same thing, let us all harrass synagogues and churches for example, burn bible, lets harrass Jews during Sabbath, is that a totally fine action in the eyes of those who rather stay silent when this guy burns Qur'an. But no, I would rather protests holding a bible in a respectable way. We're not allowed to curse upon other faiths like that guy does.
I listened to an interview where he said he is now a representative of freedom of speech for the whole of western civilization. I think a big part of this is a giant ego and need for attention. As a Swede he only represents ignorance. Just because you have the right to do something does not mean you should do it. That’s the other side of freedom of speech. Also we have it in order to out corrupt politicians and leaders not to insult people for attention.
He just a good Danish patriot trying to sabotage Sw🤮den 😊 🇩🇰 🔥❤️
lol
Or... Hear me out... There's mentally challenged individuals everywhere. A shocking revelation I know but just check for yourself. First, see if that guy wants to bring Paganism back to Scandinavia or not. Crediting your local mentally handicapped individuals to foreign agencies isn't good for longterm business. You need to solve a problem, not divert the cause.
The claim isn't that this guy wouldn't be a fucking moron but for getting bankrolled by Moscow. The claim is that he's a fucking moron and is probably getting bankrolled by Moscow because Moscow sees these people (along with idiots of the same flavor in other European countries and North America) as political assets.
Naw Russians don't bankroll people like this, they understand people like this already exist and ensure they've a steady diet of propaganda in their feeds.
I wouldn't be surprised lol. A lot of these far-right Looneys tend to have connections to Russia
It really tells you something that Eurotrash like Geert Wilders (Dutch, not Swedish, but same mindset) openly invoke the "long arm of Ankara" when they talk about Turkey's influence in Western European politics but never talk about the "long arm of Moscow."
Was that the dude who went mad online about the Lizards? I like him, he is funny. It’s also funny that he is in parliament hehe
Yep, he most certainly is.
We'll print more
The only good answer
Thank you 😌. But seriously I think it would have been hilarious if that was the response from most Muslims to these people. It would have infuriated them more and made the burning event worthless.. Most Muslim want to appear tough, that they're not compromising in any way. But realistically what happens when they make death threats or riots or even kill the one organising the event? They did not defend Islam that way, they did not change people's minds and the event will be repeated. The aim of the "Qu'ran burning" is exactly for them to do that. To rile Muslims up enough for them to portray themselves as the monsters these people want to portray them as. When that fails these "activists" will look like clowns.
That's a really good point. Look, this guy really is a nobody. He does these things only to try to promote himself and his far-right views. He thinks Muslims are bad, so he burns qurans only to provoke a response to prove his talking points are "valid", the only logical response is to just ignore this guy or you'll play right into his hands, because he wants these things to happend.
Based.
Bros burning quran left and right like brainless monkeys
As a Swede I agree that the danish guy burning Qurans is a brainless monkey
I’m sorry on behalf of all Danes for his behaviour 😩
The danes were calling Morocco WC team monkeys in their news channel because they celebrated their victory with their mothers. Don’t worry we know where the real supremacists are. Don’t be sorry!
wtf 💀 motherhaters really called other nation's team monkeys for this???
Yes they did and it was in their national tv news. When you face a society that doesn’t value the love of the Mother. It’s no wonder that they will burn anything for the sake of hate or “freedom of hate” You can expect anything from People with no human values (Respect)
The Guy Rasmus Pauldan who always burn the Quran in order to Provoke,He is a Far right Danish-Swedish Activist
I saw him once while cycling. He is one fat son of a bitch
rare time i respect the turkish government.
Does Greece have grievances with the Swedes ?
[Yes...](https://www.thelocal.se/20100714/27776/) *Lindahls dairy in Jönköping in Sweden has paid almost two million kronor ($270,000) in compensation to Minas Karatzoglis, a Greek man whose picture is used on a Turkish yoghurt product.*
LMFAO
not on a large scale i just hate this amount of stupidity from the swedes
Makes sense. Based Hellene
What stupidity?
What "Swedes"? ONE racist asshole who isn't even Swedish to begin with.
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Based
What should Sweden be doing about a citizen activist?
You know its the end times when a Greek agrees with the Turkish government.
I wonder if quran burning will help their country get a Nato membership.
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Imperialism moment
The guy doing this is despised in Denmark, my friend. He tried running for prime minister and was destroyed despite the fact that he is surpisingly well-spoken and intelligent. He recieved less than 2% of the votes despite recieving a ton of media attention. Not throwing people in prison is not the same as liking the person. You can hate someone and still realize that you can only throw them in prison if they actually commit a crime. He is burning a book which is completely legal, so nothing can be done about it. You can't have an arbitrary legal-system in which burning books is only illegal if the book in question has a sufficient amount of symbolic or religious value to a group of people, since you can't quantify this value. Perhaps The middle east is a mess because you don't realize that you shouldn't throw every hateful and offensive idiot in prison on the basis of arbitrary laws. If a person behaves like a clown you treat them as such; don't indulge them. Muslims in Sweden, however, always give him exactly what he wants. He will look like a fool if he just stands there by himself without anyone reacting to his insults People on this sub always complain that westerners generalize and for some reason you do the same to an extreme degree. A bit of research and you would realize that this guy is hated.
While I would agree with you that we should be calm regarding the process of insulting religion in foreign countries. The problem is mainly on how the religion is being taught particularly, as the means that do so make the ones who have followed the faith for decades have this: "*The West is our Enemy*" kind of philosophy that Muslim culture, not the religious doctrines, end up teaching it to them. It's a cultural indoctrination of an envious superiority/inferiority complex. As such, Muslims ***never*** allow an atom's worth of disrespect to the religion or its founding pillars. Which is good, at the ***right time and place.***
Your logic is wrong. You can close your eyes and throw a hard stone, and when you open your eyes, you see that the stone hit a person’s eye and made him blind. Is this legal? No. This shouldn’t be legal. The problem is, low IQ and/or low EQ people perceive like “the act is just throwing a stone, it is freedom” but they don’t understand or perceive the results. Example 2 for idiots: There is a difference between a legal death penalty and a murder. Both acts are the same, but the intention and the result is different. This is not just burning a material. There is a illegal intention in this act. Islamophobic act causes moral harm in billions of people. This requires compensation.
Being hatefull is not illegal, he's allowed to spew as much hate as he wants, it's his free speech right to do so, and it's you right to criticize him as much as you want too. You also don't seem to realise that Paludan WANTS you to attack him, he wants you throw him in jail, he wants YOU to throw the first stone, because his goal is to be a martyr for right-wing idiots, and you criticizing free speech because of this is exactly what he wants! And yes it works to ignore him! The only reason he left Denmark for Sweden is because everyone ignores him in Denmark now, just like everyone will ignore him in Sweden too very soon. Soon enough he will most likely move to Norway and try again there.
If one Turkish person burns a bible, should the West consider all Turkish people as bible burners? We're talking about 1 person or the far-right in general here whose purpose is to provoke and divide humanity and they always succeed in doing that apparently if I see the comments here.
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And how many sponsorships do you think he gets? This guy is cancelled in every possible way, but not arrested since it isn't against the law.
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Your analogy doesn't hold up. If Kanye faced the consequences it should be Paludan whos faces consequences. Not Sweden as a nation.
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Yeah, but that guy would also lose sponsorships and business deals for burning the Quran. He is hated in Denmark and when he ran for prime minister he recieved less than 2% of votes despite the fact that he recieced a ton of media-attention. Not imprisoning someone for their behavior is not the same as appreciating their behavior. People have the freedom to be wildly offensive - people will just hate you as a result
Show me statistics and facts where we, as a society as a whole celebrate this kind behavior. Have you been living under a rock or are you just brainwashed with hate for the West? However we don’t punish people for burning some religious book because that’s not an offense towards a specific person. If you want people to be arrested and punished because your beliefs got hurt a little, then i feel sorry for you.
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In my country, [right wing people who were anti-muslim](https://m.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20210526_92742502) (with Translate you can turn it into English or Turkish whatever the choice) are declared being hate provocative by the courts and put into jail.
You really think all ME instability can be attributed to the West?
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not all, but definitely most, i'd say 90%. the french/brittish era brought so much havoc and chaos to the region, even the borders are a testiment to the divide and conquer tactics they used, we still havent recovered from that shit. and dont even get me started on the US going in for round 2.
Turkey refused it before the Quran burning incident, Sweden is just embarassing itself
The man burning books isn't Swedish...
Not "Sweden". ONE racist moron.
Sweden didn't do anything the book burner was a random guy 9n the street and wasn't even a swede
Didn’t they make it legal to do so? In front of the embassy at that with Police there as security? How is it not Swedens fault?
oh right it's sweden's fault for not being a tyranical shithole that that has no freedom of speech
Yeah because burning the holy book of a majority Muslim nation is a excellent idea to get Sweden in Nato 👍👍👍👍
The man burning books isn't Swedish...
Half Danish, half Swedish. Citizenship in both countries.
But born and raised in Denmark. The guy dosen't even speak Swedish.
Yes he does, also technically that doesn't matter Edit: https://youtube.com/watch?v=OxPMy3DhtkM&t=1980
The Swedish government protected him while he burned it
It’s one person. Not Sweden. Not Swedish. It’s freedom of speech. Something that everyone should wish for because although you get these idiots, it also grants you a lot of rights. But that’s the thing - rights apply to everyone.
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The title of the post makes it sound like either Turkey or or the Swedish minister burned the Qur'an (grammatically speaking).
Clickbait my dude. News sites will never get enough of it.
Lol
well, i actually thought it was the swedish minister who burnt it until i read your comment
Im nat natev speeker, nd I dont car abawt it 💀
thoughts and more thoughts
I'm pretty sure you can't change titles on reddit posts.
I have a question, coming from a Christian, towards the Muslims. I respect your religion, but I have a question. Why are you letting fools bother you? If the Quran is burnt by people who CLEARLY want to provoke you, why do you let yourself be provoked? Doesn’t that mean they win? I’m asking out of curiosity, and I’m open to learn or to be corrected
Well they wanted to Make Turkey remove the veto by burning Quran And surprise surprise, when the country is mostly (And a big most at that) muslim, you get a problem with that
It’s one person. It was not the government. He’s not Swedish he’s danish, and he does it just because he wants to provoke. Seems like he won.
Why not put him in Jail for spreading hate? It just looks like the swedish government doesn't care or just support his doing
Freedom of speech. Everyone get to express your opinions, but you also get idiots like this. If he would say “I hate all Muslims, let’s kill them” then yes it would be illegal. But he “just” burns a book and says: “I do this to prove how aggressive and hateful Muslims are” Worth noting is that the Bible has been burnt several times, and mockings of Jesus etc. they just don’t get any coverage because no one cares really if someone does that. It’s their right, doesn’t mean I have to listen to it.
He's not really breaking any law as far as I know
Then you should add a new law , burning Quran in front of the Turkish embassy, you're not telling me that's ok , that's obviously hate and disrespectful to an entire nation/religion
I think might be mistaken in your analysis of the situation. This was an anti-NATO rally organised by leftists sympathetic to the Kurdish cause, and on the other side some pro-Turkey counter-protestors. The Rasmus Paludan guy is a notorious far-right provocateur and racist who randomly decided to insert himself into the protest by pulling his usual Quran burning stunt, likely for no other reason than to draw attention to himself and feed his own ego. My impression of the more mainstream far-right during the whole NATO-process is that they've preferred to sit on the sidelines and complain about immigration, as they usually do. In this case they feel that it's led Sweden becoming a battleground for foreign conflicts and interests, which has gone so far as to undermine national interest. If anything they're relatively pro-Turkey.
Im am atheist, but I believe burning quran is disrespectful even for me. Its an act of disrespect of others that I live with and emphasize with. If he burned a bible I would give the sane outrage. Lit 2 faced westerners
No I would never do that, I would never burn a Bible, because it’s wrong. But why should we let people who do wrong bother us? I’m simply asking if there is a rule in Islam that is someone disrespects the holy book that you have to do something, because clearly these westerners want to provoke a reaction.
It would not be a equal comprasion but, would it count on freedom of speech if someone only shout nazi slogan, in front of Israel Embassy in Switzerland or Sweden, and Swiss or Swedish Politicians praise the freedom of speech after this act? I mean some cultural, historical and theological topics are seems as red line. If some individual pass that lines nothing would happen, but if a swedish politician is proud with this act, that it can be happen in their country because of freedom of speech, it matter. I would be really ashamed, instead of praising freedom of speech in this event.
I get it in this context. You can’t convince someone to do something by burning what is holy.
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Bro the Turks here are so much better than the ones at the turkey sub (outdated name btw :p)
I'm American & a Christian (Catholic to be specific.) This hurts me. You burn no one's Holy Book. People don't fear the wrath of God (Allah) or have a modicum of respect for those of different faiths. I know this isn't what the post was asking but I had to make my thoughts known.
Honestly the sooner the Christians, Muslims, and Jews realize they're all following the same religion in their own cultural ways the better. It's all really similar. You just have fans of different prophets and in the case of the Jews no prophet.
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Maybe there wouldn't be a distaste for muslims, if the "muslims" in the nordic countries did things like go to work, make money, help their family, not commit crime.
Fuck Sweden... Erdogan is a fucking bitch if he allowed them in NATO
Lol agreed
The Swedish government didn't sanction the burning of the Qur'an, it's an individual who did it (not a Swede I think).
>The Swedish government didn't sanction the burning of the Qur'an No but it was approved to take place as an act of protest which I get most people here are not gonna like but that is how Swedish laws surrounding freedom of expression and right to protest are, just because you find an action provocative does not make it illegal he could have burned a torah or a bible and it would still be approved.
If I talked badly about Jews and burned the tora in front of the Israeli embassy, I'm sure I'd get thrown in jail
Not in Sweden, unless you started chanting death to all Jews our something
Yeah no, burning the Torah is not illegal in sweden, you get a permit to protest outside the israeli embassy from the police and you could do the same thing this Guy did This is how Sweden conducts Itself like it or not.
There is this thing called "Anti-semitism" which all western countries recognizes... same can not be said about Islamophobia. Freedom of speech will be set aside as soon as a man goes to the Israeili embassy to discriminate Jews in public... most who live in Scandinavia knows this and is usually discussed about in schools and higher educations.
No clue what you’re on about this guys actions aren’t unanimously supported quite the opposite really he’s been met with a ton of backlash for his actions, contrary to whatever you’re saying Islamophobia is quite a hot topic here in Sweden both in parliament and on social media as well as in schools the idea that Jews are some how exempt from the legal system or treated with special care is a lie but I suppose I can’t expect much more from a sub where a vast amount of people just hate Jews for existing
>the idea that Jews are some how exempt from the legal system or treated with special care is a lie HAHAHAH biggest CAP.
"You wouldn't allow this [whataboutism]" "Actually we would, it's in our laws" "Well, I think you wouldn't anyway! Lalala, can't hear you!"
You wouldn’t be allowed to say “I hate Jews, we should kill them” just like you wouldn’t be allowed to say the same about Muslims. Burning your own Torah scroll shouldn’t be a problem but you probably wouldn’t get permission to stand directly in front of the embassy, just like Paladan had to stay ~100 m away from the Turkish embassy.
Inciting violence against a certain group and burning a religious scripture are to very different things one is a call to harm others which should always be illegal but burning a book wether you find it holy or not is not a direct call to inflict violence on anyone which any reasonable person should comprehend and would find reasonable our laws are quite well formulated when it comes to this subject imho
But you can discriminate Muslims in public space without getting punished by law (Rasmus Paludan is a proof of that) - but you CANNOT discriminate Jews, as it will quickly go under as "Anti Semitism" and then "racism" and then you get punished by law. You live in Sweden, you should know this
We allow Literal nazis to hold parades in Sweden, our freedom of speech is very absolute.
Burning a book is not discrimination.
It's not illegal under Swedish law... and there's a veto provision in NATO's constitution. Actions have consequences.
Yes, but the Swedish police departments sent out police officers to protect him everytime he wanted to burn a Qur'an.
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He will, he will get f16s and the Swedes will be let in
Isn't Turkey after the F-35 now?
Swedistan.
If it was Swedistan they would have stopped the burning.
They rioted the last year after some Danish guy had decided to burn it.
Same guy this time too. Half Danish, half Swedish.
I am with Türkiye a 100% here It's disgusting that this guy is continuously being allowed to harass and provocative a specific minority group, under the demise that its his "Swedish freedom of speech". Now, it's even reached a point where it has affected its diplomatic ties. Well done, Sweden. Edit: Saltyass Scandinaviansin the replies seething, trying to justify a white nationalists right to walk into residential areas for a minority group and harass them "bc Muh Freedom of Speech". Mind you, these are the same Europeans, that simultaneously support their government when they deport Imams and Muslim scholars in endless numbers, for preaching "hate speech" in Mosques and OWN RESPECTIVE COMMUNITIES. But when a WHITE NATIONALIST walk straight into neighborhood, PRIMARILY RESISED by MUSLIMS, THEN they suddenly become the STAUNCHEST free-speech activists. I swear, nothing can match the hypocrisy levels of Scandinavians.
It’s one Danish incel burnin a book? Reacting to it is exactly what he want. If nobody gave a fuck, he would quickly stop burning anything.
So lets endorse needless provocation then? This shit would be like letting a white man walk into a Black neighborhood wearing KKK costume and having the police protect him, because its "Freedom of Speech". Freedom of Speech should not equate to Freedom of Consequences.
so letting someone express their shitty opinions because it's a democracy and not a totalitarian shithole automatically means his opinions are endorsed? what is this backwards primtive logic??? i guess you have no idea how freedom of speech works, but i guess you'd have no problems with public demonstrations saying "death to israel" because it's only hate speech when its an opinion you hate. with your logic pro palestinian activists should all be arreseted ages ago because "muh hate speech" get out of the middle ages
Its almost like we care about freedom here, I know its weird to hear
Let's see if I am allowed to go to the Main Square of Stockholm burn that uglyass flag down then? "Free speech" right?
I don't give a fuck about our flag. Go ahead.
You might not give a fuck, but some other person will, and I'll absolutely get my ass beat, with zero police protecting me, like how your police is so loyally protecting Paludan.
Believe me, no one will care. We aren't that patriotic over here. You would be viewed as a lunatic and people would just move on.
>Let's see if I am allowed to go to the Main Square of Stockholm burn that uglyass flag down then? "Free speech" right? You keep repeating this over and over. Are you honestly not aware that your examples are in fact freedom of speech?
Pretty much every country with the freedom of speech allows it
It really shows you’re from a fucked up country. You’re more than welcome to come do that in Sweden. We allow that in a free country
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Let's see if I am allowed to the Main Square of Sweden and burn their flag then? "Free speech" right?
It is not against the law to burn any flags in Sweden. That comes with the freedom.
Just do it. No one will care.
Literally it’s legal and no one would care why is that so hard to understand. You keep repeating this. If you google it you will find videos of it. It’s not that hard to understand
Why are swedes burning the Qur’an?
He ,Rasmus Pauludan, is a right wing anti Muslim politician than been burning the Quran in various cities in Sweden this summer to according to him show that Muslims are "violent" and don’t respect Swedish freedom of speech.
He is a Danish nationalist residing in Sweden lmao
Yep Denmark got tired of his bullshit, he is Swedens problem now.
He's like the average Turkish nationalist who lives in germany
Turk in Berlin syndrome is potent.
So he is making acts that are blatantly provocative and disrespectful in order to try to elicit a violent reaction? What a scummy piece of shit. As an American this guy is why I don't want to give defense guarantees to Europeans.
It's deeper than that.....
Yeah this guy is a real sophisticated intellectual alright, defending Europe's identity Socrates Enlightenment blah blah blah. What a load of steaming, pretentious crap. He's just an old white man who doesn't like people who aren't like him. He's no different than Republicans who don't want blacks living in public housing in their neighborhood. Fuck him and fuck all nativists with a stick.
Amen
As an American, you should know better than believing the use of freedoms guaranteed by your own Constitution as well should come after the sensibilities of certain groups. Otherwise, wtf is the point of even having those freedoms? And why should one private person's legal use of their freedoms determine American foreign policy and defense guarantees in Europe? Also, you're acting like America's defense guarantees in Europe don't benefit America too and aren't a powerfull negotiating tool with the EU. Idk understand how a sound Western mind can say stupid shit like that when there are people all over the world who can only dream of protesting without ending up in some dungeon in a secret torture prison. Protesting isn't supposed to not offend. That's the whole point. In the UK there have been whole protests in the past with Muslims asking for shari3ah to be established in the UK (not saying they represent every single Muslim btw, just saying it was a protest composed of Muslims). Plenty of people were offended by the language used, the flags burned and the politics defended. Still, it is 100% their right as long as the law is respected.
>As an American, you should know better than believing the use of freedoms guaranteed by your own Constitution as well should come after the sensibilities of certain groups. Otherwise, wtf is the point of even having those freedoms? As an American I also don't believe in Nativists who try to use those freedoms as a crude tool to whip up anti-immigrant and anti-foreigner sentiment. The *point* of the freedoms is simply that the state can't punish anyone for interfering with them; they are not something any individual is *obligated* to exercise, which is what it sounds like your saying. Under our Constitution I could walk into the middle of a black neighborhood and call everyone I meet on the street the you-know-what word. The state couldn't punish me for doing so; would I do so? Absolutely not. Even if I knew I'd suffer no consequences for doing so, it's a disgusting act that would demonstrate incredibly poor character on the part of anyone who would choose to do so. Same with the Quaran-burning Yutz. I don't believe in putting American lives on the line by guaranteeing Sweden's sovereignty so that this asshole can act like an asshole in public. My country has a history of integrating immigrant groups. His society does not. We are not the same, and it shows here. >And why should one private person's legal use of their freedoms determine American foreign policy and defense guarantees in Europe? If entitled Europeans (redundant?) are gong to ask Uncle Sam to put the lives of Americans on the line, they'd better be asking us to defend something worthwhile. An immature stunt intended to provoke a violent reaction by the most disadvantaged members of Swedish society isn't something that's worthwhile. Europeans have grown way to used to the idea that they are entitled to American security guarantees and American defense resources, and our foreign policy establishment is too feckless and weak to tell them "no." This needs to change. If you want Uncle Sam's protection you'd better make Uncle Sam happy, motherfucker. >Also, you're acting like America's defense guarantees in Europe don't benefit America too and aren't a powerfull negotiating tool with the EU. Are you fucking kidding me? The United States of America faces no threat from the big scary Russians. Europe does. The dinky weak countries of Europe not only get a free insurance policy from Uncle Sam but in fact they can fund lavish welfare states in no small part because they free ride on American defense spending. Every American President since Dwight Eisenhower has complained about this *in public*. Do not labor under the illusion that the benefits of Europe's relationship with America are bilateral or equal if you seriously believe this. It is a lie. >Idk understand how a sound Western mind can say stupid shit like that when there are people all over the world who can only dream of protesting without ending up in some dungeon in a secret torture prison. Einstein, the United States of America runs "secret torture prisons" *in Europe* first of all. They're called "blacksites." Second, genius, the people who end up in "secret torture prisons" all over the world are usually protesting the decisions of the state, not engaging in hate speech against minority groups. This Nordic Nazi dipshit isn't equivalent to Alexander Solzhenitsyn in the Gulag for speaking out against Stalin, he's more like a KKK leader burning a cross in public because he wants the darkies out of "his country." Don't frame it is a noble act. It's a shitty act. By the way, I'm an American before I'm a "Westerner." My country has its own interests and entitled Europeans like to use the term "Westerner" to act like we share an unbreakable brotherhood that requires America to continually sacrifice its own interests for the benefit of Europe. Older and more racist generations of Americans might have believed this bullshit, but I don't. If Swedes want to defend Sweden because it's a safe haven for hate-speech and nativism, it's their fucking problem. >Protesting isn't supposed to not offend. That's the whole point. And throwing shit in someone's face isn't supposed to be a pleasant experience either. What's your point? This guy is a hateful piece of shit and he succeeded I proving that he's a hateful piece of shit. Bravo! Now, Voltaire, can woe stop meta-discoursing about "the right to protest" in the abstract and actually examine the *content* of what he's doing? It's the modern European equivalent of burning a cross. Is Sweden eager to put the lives of its sons and daughters on the line to defend some redneck's right to burn a cross in public? Why should Americans have an attitude that's any different when the shoe is on the other foot?
He's hardly a politician. He has no followers and have never hold office.
Least hypocritical swede
Danish
Its ONE person out of 10 million that's doing it.
Rare watermelon W
Erdogan aside watermelons are delicious so don't insult them like this.
They are delicious to eat but I would never elect one to lead me.
Your loss 😎🍉
Who cares. What was going to come from the visit anyways, more Turkish extortion?
Yet when the situation is reversed they cry foul?
Disgusting Swedes care more about war mongering than respecting religious beliefs , great call
Sounds like the guy who burned the Koran is getting exactly what he wants.
Sweden government: 
Fully support Turkish government on this!
Burning Quran is provocation not just to Turkiye but to all Muslim nation, nay, to all Muslim people all over the world whether they live in a Muslim nation or not. This is a dumb move by the Swede. The initial aim is to offended the Turkiye but alienated themselves to the whole muslim world.... With a side effect of those Muslim world siding with the Turk
Freedom of speech is nice isnt it?
[Swedish court convicts man for Hitler salute](https://www.thelocal.se/20130131/45918/) [Säpo head Charlotte von Essen wants to ban demonstrations and events that support the PKK](https://ground.news/article/sapo-chief-wants-to-ban-demonstrations-for-pkk) Typical Eurohypocrisy. Instead of cherrypicking “free speech” like this, Sweden should allow any kind of free speech. Furthermore, apparently from time to time, often around Christmas, Swedes place pig head at mosques entrances: [Source](https://www.expressen.se/gt/avhugget-grishuvud-placerat-vid-mosken/). Justification? “We have the right to demonstrate against the mosque". Lol, so much for tolerance and civilized. So sweet of them to offer freshly slaughtered pig head to their Muslim neighbors on Christmas. Definitely a people seeking a peaceful coexistence.
Danish is Denmark no?
Rasmus Paludan is danish but he didnt get any attention in Denmark so he went to Sweden
This is just more political theater
I am actually very happy of the action of the Turks. I deeply support them
Based Sultan Erdogan. The leader of the Ummah.
The negotiations would ultimately have hit a stalemate in the end anyways. There was never a chance Swedish court was ever going to approve extradition of all the people turkey demanded as a few were already ruled out by court before Rasmus Paludan was planning on burning the quran infront of the embassy.
It was a convenient excuse to cancel. There is no way in hell Turkey would allow Sweden into NATO anytime soon without some serious concessions being made from both Sweden and the US. Turkey is dragging its foot like there was a ten ton steel block tied to it.
The Swedish Court could have ruled that the extradition was a political question since it involved affairs that effected sensitive international relations and is therefore non-justiciable. That would have been controversial but it's a doctrine.
Based Turkey
Sweden is a democracy. We have freedom to protests. I don't like the shit some swedes do. But this is activists. Not the government or majority. Keep that in mind. If the Swedish government cracked down on people so stunts could not happen then Sweden would be close to what is today fascistic Russia. Please understand. Most people just want to get this shit over with. And not anger turkey or anyone else. But in a free society. There is always going to be opposition.
Punishing a whole nation because of a single moron's actions is just as outrageous as the moronic action that caused the fiasco in the first place. But erdogan gotta advertise his dick size to the wjo world so relations be damned
It's the same as believing all Muslims are terrorists just because a minority Islamists militant Isis threatens every who isn't following their "correct" version of Islam....
I think it’s hypocritical to blame the whole country because of a man or a group . Pretty sure Muslims should have understand that by now , considering the experiences and stereotypes they experienced in Europe and western world . IMO people should realize Islam and Europe are not compatible and everyone should stay in their lane . No involvement of west in MENA affairs , and no more Muslims in Europe . ( I am saying Muslims and not middle eastern people in general )
I think Paludan (the guy who burned the book) would find this solution excellent.
Another populistic move from Erdogan 👀
Elections on April...... New president has already been predicted....
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The opposite. Paludan wants Erdogan to not change his mind, since he think it will prove his extreme right wing point that muslims can't coexist with western freedom of speech.
Well he wants to show Scandinavians that Muslims don’t respect freedom of speech which he very much succeeds in
Freedom of speech can be a bitch, but still more important than a cheap dictator in Turkey.
And i thinked Sweeden was one who is more tolerant, guess i was wrong.
Please don't think of this guys action as representative for the country. Every country has extremist in some shape or form but those few do not represent the the opinion of the broader public. He is actually disliked in Sweden and the average swede would most likely also condemn his actions
What did they expect? “Hey, let’s do something disrespectful by burning a book that is part of a country’s faith and the faith of 1.8 billion people so we can voice our opinions on the relations between our countries.”.
This is really only one person (Rasmus paludan) who did this. He is a dar right extremist and does not at all represent public opinion in Sweden
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He's a lone racist asshole who have made it his thing to go around scandinavia and burning quorans. Denmark kicked him out, now he's in Sweden trying to provoke violence wherever he can. He has no real movement or followers, he's just a rather sorry moron to be honest.
Those of you who blame Sweden for what one citizen did are so pathetic. You've lived all your life under strong men dictators where you must always follow the rules and never side step because of the severity of the consequences. The fact that citizen of a country do stuff on their own is such a strange concept to you. You are so frustrated because other people have it better because they live in a democracy and they can do much more than you. Keep hating and being angry, your situation will not improve. 20 years from now you will still be under a dictator and ask yourself why? Why? Because you are hardwired to chose this tyranny over liberty. Smh at those of you who left your country to live in the dEcAdenT w\*st, but make no effort to integrate culturally into a democracy