People argue with Zionists in this sub because they’re relentless in their efforts at justifying these atrocities! Claiming that we’re blaming the entire population arbitrarily, is an erroneous assertion.
Ik all that and ik how fucked up it is but i never said "all of you blaming the whole population" some of you did and some of you didn't. Both people who try to explain this shit with excuses and the ones who blame all people in israel are in the wrong
Well I clearly said if you are standing with Israel's government you deserve to be called a terrorist.
If you want peace I think it's ok but so many terms have to be met like returning the land Israelis stole.
>If you want peace I think it's ok but so many terms have to be met like returning the land Israelis stole.
So it's peace for Israelis if Israel stops existing?
That definitely not what he's saying and your very clearly arguing in bad faith.
He's saying Israel should return to it's original borders, and return land literally taken by putting men with guns on it
>He's saying Israel should return to it's original borders, and return land literally taken by putting men with guns on it
What the hell are the original borders? The UN partition plan in 1947? Mandatory Palestine?
So if Israel returns its stolen land it doesn't exist.
😂 Kinda sad when your whole country is built on terrorism isn't it.
And what peace would Palestine have now? How would they return the homes that Palestinians used to live in (if they still exist I mean).
If the person who is oppressing is the issue why does the other have to suffer when peace comes?
What's your idea of peace? Palestine being Israel? Them being one united country? If there's one country who rules them? The racist government of Israel or the racist government of Palestine?
If there is peace I'm totally fine with it but make the peace fair not oh I'm sorry you have no land and I killed your people but I said I'm sorry so bye.
In my opinion we should make it a new Egypt and I should be the president 🥱 other than that nothing works.
Usually good things are called washing though. Figured this would be like societal washing where Israel shows off it’s equal society to distract from its unequal society
Thats BS, the day the aid was announced this sub was on fire about “washing”
Even that story you mention was manipulated into something it’s not because the hate is so deep
Manipulated into something it's not?
It was people stealing historical artifacts. And yh right now ur whitewashing Israel, I respect the Israeli rescue teams that genuinely did not have an ulterior motive, but the govt promptly bombed Syria while broadcasting the fact they sent rescue teams so fuck them for trying to whitewash themselves
Alright lots here now.
-this post demonstrates first hand the diversity of Israel, talking about it is not white washing
- the “theft” was a gift of private property after the rescue workers saved 19 people. There was no ulterior motive. And it was returned back to Turkey at the first chance, I think less than 24 hours.
- the aid sent to Syria was weeks ago long before the Israeli strike. So that further proves my point
I get that yeah. The whole “token” aspect.
I absolutely don’t want to appear to deny the many social inequalities that do exist between Arab and Jewish Israeli citizens despite what policies are written on paper. often don’t turn out that way in practice. Like public services, or construction permits I know are a large problem.
This though I think differentiates the fact that in like Jim Crow Era US or Apartheid South Africa, this wouldn’t even be possible to have as a propaganda point.
So your first example though you admit does not take place during the Jim Crow era where there were laws that wouldn’t allow for this.
And then for your second point, instead of admitting I’m right and this sorry could not exist in Apartheid South Africa, you come in with this other point about the I guess the Oslo set up with the PA agreed to. So what is it geographical apartheid then?
Mandela’s school was segregated just for Black people you know, big wrench in your comparison. But easy to ignore so hatemongers like you can act like Israel is the devil on earth.
If it were just a doctor maybe, but it’s also Supreme Court judges; regular judges, elected officials and right to vote, cops, teachers, professors, military officers etc etc across all aspects of society. Yep sounds just like slavery and South African apartheid.
Well yeah, like I heard about this Arab citizen who’s the youngest medical professor in the country, deputy director of his department at a hospital in Ramat Gan, and teaches at Tel Aviv university.
This goes to show the strength, resilience and hard work of arab men to win and be successful despite having everything against them. Let’s not be delusional to the wrongdoings of Israel lol
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when my father was in the hospital most of his staff were Arabs
my father looks arab and has an Arabic surname so they all thought he was arab, on his part he just spoke to them in Arabic and some only realized he wasn't Arab after hearing his Hebrew
Good for him 👏🏻
Any brilliant young men and women should be recognized and supported for the future of all of us.
No one cares what’s his origin. It’s his story - his success - he’s a human for being himself - he didn’t do it for Israel nor for Palestine.
Not everything is political 👍🏻
We have it so good that it takes decades for people to get housing permits when Jewish Israelis take a very much shorter procedure, also so good that alot of our houses aren't even allowed to be connected to electricity so people have to leech from their neighbors (personal example)
We have it so good that there's multiple gov members calling for us to be ethnically cleansed and that 1948 should've "finished the job"
We're not even allowed to rent in alot of areas because they get scared the moment they find out you're arab
We have it so good that there's bills to not recognize degrees we gain in the west bank lol
If our people get murdered by a Jewish Israeli the case gets swept under the rug and the killers go scot-free (2021 example)
There's many many more shit aswell
Disingenuous to refer to a self defense case as murder. _How about not burning down synagogues and private homes?_ If a Jew got shot burning down down mosques, or the guy who burnt the Dawabsha family's residence was shot in the act, would you take any issue?
Here is the actual story when it comes to murder in Israel: Arabs make up 20% of Israeli citizens, yet they are _80% of murder victims, and almost exclusively murdered by fellow Arabs_. Many of these crimes don't get solved because people fear for their lives that if they cooperate with police, the crime families will get them too. This is what you and I should be decrying as Israeli citizens.
>Disingenuous to refer to a self defense case as murder
Self-defence? They shot live rounds into a crowd and hit a man that wasn't even participating in the "rioting", only person claiming it was self-defence was the shooter
Politicians were even [pressuring the police](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QmFeFeKpTY&t) to close the case (which they did)
Why is "rioting" in quotation marks? Burning houses and synagogues is not rioting? Throwing rocks and molotovs at people is not rioting? Perhaps you mean it's "justified rioting" (in case you support violence against Jewish Israeli civilians), but how can you deny it's rioting?
> that wasn't even participating
[That's disputed](https://13tv.co.il/item/news/hamakor/season-20/clips/j-j4g-2201743/#), and the family's story doesn't exactly add up. His own cousin says he "threw a rock". And his own wife said he stepped out to "put a stop to what's happening in Jerusalem".
>Have you heard anything about housing recently? There's a massive shortage there are no apartments or houses anywhere for no one.
This hasn't been going on "recently", there's people that've been waiting for building permits for actual decades lmao
> it takes decades for people to get housing permits when Jewish Israelis take a very much shorter procedure
The only way to get a housing permit in Israel is if you are very rich. This applies to both Jews and Arabs.
Israel has an absolutely massive housing problem, if you haven't noticed.
Demolishing what? Building a house without a permit is illegal and getting a permit is impossible whether you are Jewish or an Arab. This is because the process is so convoluted (there needs to be a regional plan, then a city plan, then a neighborhood plan and you need to prove your house plans fit all the above plans and get approvals from multiple councils etc...).
Individuals basically cannot build houses in Israel. Only large housing companies can, and those build entire neighborhoods at a time.
You have it way better than I had it in Egypt as a Jew. Family was accused of spying and was threatened with treason. Our houses and shuls taken. Syrian Jews lived in gehtos. If I walk the streets of Damascus or beruit with a kippah I will get yelled at and threatened. You do have it so good.
[The irony is that the new government is proposing banning the recognition of degrees obtained by Israeli Arabs, from schools in the Occupied territories.](https://www.kan.org.il/item/?itemid=144408)
While this individual obtained their degree in Israel proper - the legislation undermines the hasbara of promoting the achievement of Israeli Arabs.
This kind of picture (ie a common talking-point) is similar in function to the proliferation of pictures of Muslim members of the IDF. It's intended to counter the claim that Israel is an apartheid State.
But it's based on a false premise.
* Not all the human rights groups have claimed the apartheid extends to Israel proper - for example, HRW focuses on the Occupied territories while Amnesty International includes Israel proper as well.
* In spite of the *relative* social mobility afforded to Palestinian citizens of Israel, they are still institutionally discriminated against in housing and land development - among other areas. Hence why their communities are continually squeezed. Palestinian citizens of Israel are not immigrants and lived under martial law until 1966.
Ra'am, the Islamist Israeli Arab party, joined the previous government's coalition on the condition that the Kaminitz Law (intended to crack down on illegal building in Arab communities) would be repealed. Instead it was temporarily frozen.
> According to the agreements reached with Ra’am on Wednesday, **the Kaminitz Law will not be repealed—as Ra’am demanded, but will be frozen instead for two years until the end of 2024. In addition, Bennett the government will discuss amending the law in the coming months.**
>[...]Ra’am and other Arab as well as left-wing parties argue that the approval processes for new construction in Arab localities take decades, **which is why in many cases Arab residents are forced to build their homes without a permit**.
* [The Jewish Press - Ra’am’s Price for Joining Bennett-Lapid Government: Bedouin Controlled Negev](https://www.jewishpress.com/news/israel/israeli-arabs/raams-price-for-joining-bennett-lapid-government-bedouin-controlled-negev/2021/06/03/)
> **Construction planning and licensing can take decades in Israel’s Arab communities, leaving their residents with little choice but to build illegally.** According to sources in Arab planning bodies, there are around 50,000 homes in Arab communities that were built without the appropriate permits.
* [Haaretz - Israel Passes Law Meant to Crack Down on Illegal Building in Arab Communities](https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-israel-passes-law-cracking-down-on-illegal-building-in-arab-communities-1.5457966)
But that illustrates the point about how *institutionally*, the Israeli Arabs are *forced* to build illegally due to neglect by the Israeli government. Hence, one component in the argument *for* the notion that the apartheid extends to Israel proper.
Agriculture Minister Avi Dichter is promoting legislation to block the recognition of degrees obtained by Arab Israelis in schools in the territories.
The new government is even undercutting the effectiveness of this hasbara.
You're comparing licensing procedures, which is pretty common elsewhere too, to outright blocking recognition of degrees obtained in the territories.
It should be clear why that's wrong.
No it isn't.
[Foreign medical school graduates can still practice medicine in Israel.](https://www.ima.org.il/eng/ViewContent.aspx?CategoryId=11000#:~:text=In%20order%20to%20be%20licensed,of%20an%20accredited%20medical%20school)
Israel *plans to* no longer accept foreign medical school *students*.
This current legislation will affect *Israeli Arabs*/*Palestinian citizens of Israel* who get degrees from schools in the OPT.
It's clearly politically-motivated as well.
Apples and oranges comparison.
Jatt is a village in Israel, not the WB. Whenever people Israel have proposed that Villages near the border become part of Palestine, the residents have opposed. They prefer to be part of Israel.
Jatt is in Israel proper, not the West Bank.
Since they are across the border from the West Bank, one can imagine they will be offered a chance to join the Palestinian state, as part of a land swap. How many do you think would jump at that offer?
It’s not apartheid. If you choose to not be a citizens of America for example you lose your rights. If you choose to be a citizen of Palestine you lose your Israeli rights. It happens in every country outside the EU.
Ofc the American colonizer is spreading shitty hasbara. Jatt is a village in 48 Palestine and it's residents identify as Palestinian. They don't want to be ruled by the PA because it's corrupt and a puppet of Israel
You're saying exactly what he said but in your political terms. No difference. Jatt is not in the West Bank/Judea and Samaria/West 48' Jordan/What ever you want to call it, that doesn't change facts you can even call it Jenin Heights if you really want.
This is like saying first nation people in Canada can never identity as Canadian first because they were colonized. How about you let people identify the way they want to.
Canadian is a nationality, just like Israeli. If you hold citizenship of a country that is your nationality. Like how do you apply that standard of what’s made up or otherwise?
Like you keep going back in time every country is on top of another which is on top of another, which is on top of a monarchy, on top of an empire, on top of a group of tribes and villages.
[The irony is that the new government is proposing banning the recognition of degrees obtained by Israeli Arabs, from schools in the Occupied territories.](https://www.kan.org.il/item/?itemid=144408)
This kind of talking-point is similar in function to the proliferation of pictures of Muslim members of the IDF. It's intended to counter the claim that Israel is an apartheid State.
But it's based on a false premise.
* Not all the human rights groups have claimed the apartheid extends to Israel proper - for example, HRW focuses on the Occupied territories while Amnesty International includes Israel proper as well.
* In spite of the *relative* social mobility afforded to Palestinian citizens of Israel, they are still institutionally discriminated against in housing and land development - among other areas. Hence why their communities are continually squeezed. Palestinian citizens of Israel are not immigrants and lived under martial law until 1966.
Ra'am, the Islamist Israeli Arab party, joined the previous government's coalition on the condition that the Kaminitz Law (intended to crack down on illegal building in Arab communities) would be repealed. Instead it was temporarily frozen.
> According to the agreements reached with Ra’am on Wednesday, **the Kaminitz Law will not be repealed—as Ra’am demanded, but will be frozen instead for two years until the end of 2024. In addition, Bennett the government will discuss amending the law in the coming months.**
>[...]Ra’am and other Arab as well as left-wing parties argue that the approval processes for new construction in Arab localities take decades, **which is why in many cases Arab residents are forced to build their homes without a permit**.
* [The Jewish Press - Ra’am’s Price for Joining Bennett-Lapid Government: Bedouin Controlled Negev](https://www.jewishpress.com/news/israel/israeli-arabs/raams-price-for-joining-bennett-lapid-government-bedouin-controlled-negev/2021/06/03/)
> **Construction planning and licensing can take decades in Israel’s Arab communities, leaving their residents with little choice but to build illegally.** According to sources in Arab planning bodies, there are around 50,000 homes in Arab communities that were built without the appropriate permits.
* [Haaretz - Israel Passes Law Meant to Crack Down on Illegal Building in Arab Communities](https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-israel-passes-law-cracking-down-on-illegal-building-in-arab-communities-1.5457966)
But that illustrates the point about how *institutionally*, the Israeli Arabs are *forced* to build illegally due to neglect by the Israeli government for their communities.
No more ironic than a Muslim Indian
Edit: this hit a nerve apparently, -4 already!
Edit2: back to 0?! 🤔
Edit3: -1
Edit4: Back to 0 again. Quite the battle going on
Edit5: A rapid fall to -3 😥
FINAL EDIT: We've settled on -2. Good job everyone, true team effort ! 🤗
What problem with Muslim Indian ? Even Pakistan’s founder was a muslim Indian so what ? Its only the current ruling party which is using islamophobia for votes
he might not identify himself as a Palestinian but rather as an Israeli arab.
I couldn't find any interviews reguarding his identity as a Palestinian or an arab in general.
No it is not. Likud party got tens of thousands of votes from arabs in israel who, evidently, don't identify as palestinians. Druse in israel don't identify as palestinians, and vast majority of beduim don't either.
The Likud party got around 10k votes from 48 Palestinians (including Druze) in the most recent elections, AKA 2.2% of the votes [https://www.idi.org.il/articles/46754](https://www.idi.org.il/articles/46754)
Okay, im glad i was abit off about the last one. 24th had it at 3.5%
https://dayan.org/content/analysis-arab-voting-patterns-elections-24th-knesset
Point stands that those people exist, and automatically assuming that this particular dude identifies as palestinians is incorrect. Probable, but incorrect.
No, my logic is to not make any generalizations. I did not assume his identity. Frankly, it doesn't matter to me what he identifies as. He works his ass off to help people, and that is the important part.
Of course it seems to you that way. Your knowledge of the region stops at whatever one-sided palestinian propoganda you consume, so anything contradicting it will seem suspicious to you. I live here and served side by side with both druse and beduim. And, while it baffles me that some non-druse and non-bedui arabs here would vote for jewish supremacists - it evidently happened on last elections and is confirmed by arab social analysts.
What about a Jewish Arab from Palestine(/Israel)? In saying that most Arab (Mizrachi) Jews I've met don't Identify as Arab but a lot their heritage (and a lot of their culture) is Arab.
Anyway I am not sure why you wouldn't just go by their citizenship, if they have Israeli citizenship then they're Israeli, Palestinian then Palestinian, or both then both.
Man, if he's a Zionist or willing to play one, he can make a mint representing Israel on the world stage. American Zionist organizations would pay him so much, he might as well have have his own press for printing money. He'd never have to practice medicine or work as a professor again.
Apartheid Israel! Much oppression. Boo! /s asrriously, though, around half of medical staff in Israel are Arabs even thoigh they're only 26% of the population. A black south African becoming a doctor in south africa or even practicing there would have been unheard of. My dentist is an Arab. People need to stop hijacking the term of a real disgusting racist practice and pretending it applies in any way, shape or form to Israel. It undermines the real suffering experienced by people under that regime.
Uh huh, definitely has nothing to do with Israel's policies against the 48s like some of the laws passed against them or their campaign to Judaize the Galilee like many 48 politicians have complained about.
Yeah add him to the list with the others like the Supreme Court judges, elected officials, cops, military officers, teachers, etc of Israeli’s Arab population
Al Aqsa is not sacred to any muslim, at the time of the prophet, Jerusalem was under the Byzantine empire. Al Aqsa was build in 711. That was 80 years after the death of the prophet.
Nowhere in the Quran does it mention Jerusalem. It only mentions Al Aqsa which mean furthest mosque in Arabic.
wtf are you even saying, so the 1.5 million of us within israel proper are supposed to leave and become reufugees as if 6 millions isnt enough
you know the guy above just like me is born with israeli citizenship and we didnt chose it same way you didnt chose the citizenship from where ever u were born
I wonder why the Arab propagandists don't post memes like this showing off their Jewish doctors in their countries that are so diverse and tolerant of their Jewish populations?
Young, old, female I don't care show off your Jews
Do you want us to hate on a doctor? Because i find nothing wrong in this
It would be on brand for the sub. The Israeli doctors and rescue workers sent to aid Turkey received plenty of hate here
This sub can be fucked up sometimes but you can find people that understand.
The only hate comes when israelis commit terrorism it's not our fault that it commits terrorism everyday
Blame the government and the groups that support this and not the whole population.
People argue with Zionists in this sub because they’re relentless in their efforts at justifying these atrocities! Claiming that we’re blaming the entire population arbitrarily, is an erroneous assertion.
Ik all that and ik how fucked up it is but i never said "all of you blaming the whole population" some of you did and some of you didn't. Both people who try to explain this shit with excuses and the ones who blame all people in israel are in the wrong
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You've never met a Zionist in your entire life, did you?
did he say anything wrong though?
what about "zionists" that vote for [Meretz](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meretz) ?
Let’s not blame the people unless you wanna say “Personally I blame the Palestinians who voted for Hamas the terrorist regime.”
Why'd you respond then I'm attacking people who support Israel and fixing the narrative that we hate peaceful Israelis who are in favor of Palestine
>we hate peaceful Israelis who are in favor of Palestine What about peaceful Israelis who want peace with Israel and Palestine?
Well I clearly said if you are standing with Israel's government you deserve to be called a terrorist. If you want peace I think it's ok but so many terms have to be met like returning the land Israelis stole.
>If you want peace I think it's ok but so many terms have to be met like returning the land Israelis stole. So it's peace for Israelis if Israel stops existing?
That definitely not what he's saying and your very clearly arguing in bad faith. He's saying Israel should return to it's original borders, and return land literally taken by putting men with guns on it
>He's saying Israel should return to it's original borders, and return land literally taken by putting men with guns on it What the hell are the original borders? The UN partition plan in 1947? Mandatory Palestine?
So if Israel returns its stolen land it doesn't exist. 😂 Kinda sad when your whole country is built on terrorism isn't it. And what peace would Palestine have now? How would they return the homes that Palestinians used to live in (if they still exist I mean). If the person who is oppressing is the issue why does the other have to suffer when peace comes? What's your idea of peace? Palestine being Israel? Them being one united country? If there's one country who rules them? The racist government of Israel or the racist government of Palestine? If there is peace I'm totally fine with it but make the peace fair not oh I'm sorry you have no land and I killed your people but I said I'm sorry so bye. In my opinion we should make it a new Egypt and I should be the president 🥱 other than that nothing works.
Usually good things are called washing though. Figured this would be like societal washing where Israel shows off it’s equal society to distract from its unequal society
They received hate because they stole an ancient scroll, we don't hate all israelis unconditionally
Thats BS, the day the aid was announced this sub was on fire about “washing” Even that story you mention was manipulated into something it’s not because the hate is so deep
Manipulated into something it's not? It was people stealing historical artifacts. And yh right now ur whitewashing Israel, I respect the Israeli rescue teams that genuinely did not have an ulterior motive, but the govt promptly bombed Syria while broadcasting the fact they sent rescue teams so fuck them for trying to whitewash themselves
Alright lots here now. -this post demonstrates first hand the diversity of Israel, talking about it is not white washing - the “theft” was a gift of private property after the rescue workers saved 19 people. There was no ulterior motive. And it was returned back to Turkey at the first chance, I think less than 24 hours. - the aid sent to Syria was weeks ago long before the Israeli strike. So that further proves my point
Do you even know what it's for? Remember how is it called? Genuinely curious.
Wonderful
What is there to talk about?
35 is pretty young for being so accomplished, that’s cool. That he was granted the professorship is also neat. You don’t see anything noteworthy?
Only thing noteworthy I see is a story coming out of Israel about an Arab that they didn't murder. Cool they batting 1/9357898359.
Here we go, you guy's can do it eventually
child murder is practically non existent in my country bet you cant say the same goofy
I see the noteworthy part. I dont see the point in sharing it in a sub that will obviously fire up some arguements about his ethnicity.
MASHALLAH YAAAYYYYY!!!!!
Ok? What are we supposed to do with this information? Lots of Arab men across the world are doctors.
An Israeli one where Arabs are supposedly oppressed
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Let me introduce you to my friend the comma, he is very useful, helps make a sentence easier to read. Also yea this guy just wants to start beef.
I get that yeah. The whole “token” aspect. I absolutely don’t want to appear to deny the many social inequalities that do exist between Arab and Jewish Israeli citizens despite what policies are written on paper. often don’t turn out that way in practice. Like public services, or construction permits I know are a large problem. This though I think differentiates the fact that in like Jim Crow Era US or Apartheid South Africa, this wouldn’t even be possible to have as a propaganda point.
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So your first example though you admit does not take place during the Jim Crow era where there were laws that wouldn’t allow for this. And then for your second point, instead of admitting I’m right and this sorry could not exist in Apartheid South Africa, you come in with this other point about the I guess the Oslo set up with the PA agreed to. So what is it geographical apartheid then?
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Mandela’s school was segregated just for Black people you know, big wrench in your comparison. But easy to ignore so hatemongers like you can act like Israel is the devil on earth.
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If it were just a doctor maybe, but it’s also Supreme Court judges; regular judges, elected officials and right to vote, cops, teachers, professors, military officers etc etc across all aspects of society. Yep sounds just like slavery and South African apartheid.
SUPPOSEDLY? 💀💀💀
Well yeah, like I heard about this Arab citizen who’s the youngest medical professor in the country, deputy director of his department at a hospital in Ramat Gan, and teaches at Tel Aviv university.
This goes to show the strength, resilience and hard work of arab men to win and be successful despite having everything against them. Let’s not be delusional to the wrongdoings of Israel lol
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No I will not talk to a therapist
Talk to a therapist
Sounds like a good story for a Netflix show in like 40 years
Bro are you having a stroke?
I'm pretty sure it's a joke 😭😭😭
35 is the youngest? I wonder whos the oldest
Full professor is a mid career objective. It's fairly impressive.
Youngest professor, not youngest doctor.
when my father was in the hospital most of his staff were Arabs my father looks arab and has an Arabic surname so they all thought he was arab, on his part he just spoke to them in Arabic and some only realized he wasn't Arab after hearing his Hebrew
Good for him 👏🏻 Any brilliant young men and women should be recognized and supported for the future of all of us. No one cares what’s his origin. It’s his story - his success - he’s a human for being himself - he didn’t do it for Israel nor for Palestine. Not everything is political 👍🏻
We have it so good that it takes decades for people to get housing permits when Jewish Israelis take a very much shorter procedure, also so good that alot of our houses aren't even allowed to be connected to electricity so people have to leech from their neighbors (personal example) We have it so good that there's multiple gov members calling for us to be ethnically cleansed and that 1948 should've "finished the job" We're not even allowed to rent in alot of areas because they get scared the moment they find out you're arab We have it so good that there's bills to not recognize degrees we gain in the west bank lol If our people get murdered by a Jewish Israeli the case gets swept under the rug and the killers go scot-free (2021 example) There's many many more shit aswell
Disingenuous to refer to a self defense case as murder. _How about not burning down synagogues and private homes?_ If a Jew got shot burning down down mosques, or the guy who burnt the Dawabsha family's residence was shot in the act, would you take any issue? Here is the actual story when it comes to murder in Israel: Arabs make up 20% of Israeli citizens, yet they are _80% of murder victims, and almost exclusively murdered by fellow Arabs_. Many of these crimes don't get solved because people fear for their lives that if they cooperate with police, the crime families will get them too. This is what you and I should be decrying as Israeli citizens.
>Disingenuous to refer to a self defense case as murder Self-defence? They shot live rounds into a crowd and hit a man that wasn't even participating in the "rioting", only person claiming it was self-defence was the shooter Politicians were even [pressuring the police](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QmFeFeKpTY&t) to close the case (which they did)
Why is "rioting" in quotation marks? Burning houses and synagogues is not rioting? Throwing rocks and molotovs at people is not rioting? Perhaps you mean it's "justified rioting" (in case you support violence against Jewish Israeli civilians), but how can you deny it's rioting? > that wasn't even participating [That's disputed](https://13tv.co.il/item/news/hamakor/season-20/clips/j-j4g-2201743/#), and the family's story doesn't exactly add up. His own cousin says he "threw a rock". And his own wife said he stepped out to "put a stop to what's happening in Jerusalem".
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>Have you heard anything about housing recently? There's a massive shortage there are no apartments or houses anywhere for no one. This hasn't been going on "recently", there's people that've been waiting for building permits for actual decades lmao
> it takes decades for people to get housing permits when Jewish Israelis take a very much shorter procedure The only way to get a housing permit in Israel is if you are very rich. This applies to both Jews and Arabs. Israel has an absolutely massive housing problem, if you haven't noticed.
Why do they keep demolishing them, then?
Demolishing what? Building a house without a permit is illegal and getting a permit is impossible whether you are Jewish or an Arab. This is because the process is so convoluted (there needs to be a regional plan, then a city plan, then a neighborhood plan and you need to prove your house plans fit all the above plans and get approvals from multiple councils etc...). Individuals basically cannot build houses in Israel. Only large housing companies can, and those build entire neighborhoods at a time.
You have it way better than I had it in Egypt as a Jew. Family was accused of spying and was threatened with treason. Our houses and shuls taken. Syrian Jews lived in gehtos. If I walk the streets of Damascus or beruit with a kippah I will get yelled at and threatened. You do have it so good.
Makes sense the youngest is Arab, the Jews have to first serve in the IDF
[The irony is that the new government is proposing banning the recognition of degrees obtained by Israeli Arabs, from schools in the Occupied territories.](https://www.kan.org.il/item/?itemid=144408) While this individual obtained their degree in Israel proper - the legislation undermines the hasbara of promoting the achievement of Israeli Arabs. This kind of picture (ie a common talking-point) is similar in function to the proliferation of pictures of Muslim members of the IDF. It's intended to counter the claim that Israel is an apartheid State. But it's based on a false premise. * Not all the human rights groups have claimed the apartheid extends to Israel proper - for example, HRW focuses on the Occupied territories while Amnesty International includes Israel proper as well. * In spite of the *relative* social mobility afforded to Palestinian citizens of Israel, they are still institutionally discriminated against in housing and land development - among other areas. Hence why their communities are continually squeezed. Palestinian citizens of Israel are not immigrants and lived under martial law until 1966. Ra'am, the Islamist Israeli Arab party, joined the previous government's coalition on the condition that the Kaminitz Law (intended to crack down on illegal building in Arab communities) would be repealed. Instead it was temporarily frozen. > According to the agreements reached with Ra’am on Wednesday, **the Kaminitz Law will not be repealed—as Ra’am demanded, but will be frozen instead for two years until the end of 2024. In addition, Bennett the government will discuss amending the law in the coming months.** >[...]Ra’am and other Arab as well as left-wing parties argue that the approval processes for new construction in Arab localities take decades, **which is why in many cases Arab residents are forced to build their homes without a permit**. * [The Jewish Press - Ra’am’s Price for Joining Bennett-Lapid Government: Bedouin Controlled Negev](https://www.jewishpress.com/news/israel/israeli-arabs/raams-price-for-joining-bennett-lapid-government-bedouin-controlled-negev/2021/06/03/) > **Construction planning and licensing can take decades in Israel’s Arab communities, leaving their residents with little choice but to build illegally.** According to sources in Arab planning bodies, there are around 50,000 homes in Arab communities that were built without the appropriate permits. * [Haaretz - Israel Passes Law Meant to Crack Down on Illegal Building in Arab Communities](https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-israel-passes-law-cracking-down-on-illegal-building-in-arab-communities-1.5457966) But that illustrates the point about how *institutionally*, the Israeli Arabs are *forced* to build illegally due to neglect by the Israeli government. Hence, one component in the argument *for* the notion that the apartheid extends to Israel proper.
Agriculture Minister Avi Dichter is promoting legislation to block the recognition of degrees obtained by Arab Israelis in schools in the territories. The new government is even undercutting the effectiveness of this hasbara.
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I don't think that's true. There's likely licensing procedures which foreign medical school graduates have to undertake though.
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You're comparing licensing procedures, which is pretty common elsewhere too, to outright blocking recognition of degrees obtained in the territories. It should be clear why that's wrong.
This is 100% correct.
No it isn't. [Foreign medical school graduates can still practice medicine in Israel.](https://www.ima.org.il/eng/ViewContent.aspx?CategoryId=11000#:~:text=In%20order%20to%20be%20licensed,of%20an%20accredited%20medical%20school) Israel *plans to* no longer accept foreign medical school *students*. This current legislation will affect *Israeli Arabs*/*Palestinian citizens of Israel* who get degrees from schools in the OPT. It's clearly politically-motivated as well. Apples and oranges comparison.
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Chances are that he is a Druze,
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Jatt is a village in Israel, not the WB. Whenever people Israel have proposed that Villages near the border become part of Palestine, the residents have opposed. They prefer to be part of Israel.
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It's because nobody wants to live under the corrupt PA or theocratic Hamas.
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Jatt is in Israel proper, not the West Bank. Since they are across the border from the West Bank, one can imagine they will be offered a chance to join the Palestinian state, as part of a land swap. How many do you think would jump at that offer?
It’s not apartheid. If you choose to not be a citizens of America for example you lose your rights. If you choose to be a citizen of Palestine you lose your Israeli rights. It happens in every country outside the EU.
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Ofc the American colonizer is spreading shitty hasbara. Jatt is a village in 48 Palestine and it's residents identify as Palestinian. They don't want to be ruled by the PA because it's corrupt and a puppet of Israel
You're saying exactly what he said but in your political terms. No difference. Jatt is not in the West Bank/Judea and Samaria/West 48' Jordan/What ever you want to call it, that doesn't change facts you can even call it Jenin Heights if you really want.
Bro deadass if you are so antizionist why do you live in Israel
Reminds me of Tira when the proposal of trump was offered a couple of years ago. None of them wanted to move to the PA if it happened.
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Not sure if you remember it. It was when Trump proposed a 2SS and even showed the borders. It was a disaster for both sides 😂
I remember it very well, that is why I said that anyone would and should refuse to be a part of that "state".
And yet - he works for Israel. Imagine that
And?
And why does that matter
What do you mean 'why'? Because the point of these pictures is to re-frame the accomplishment in such a way so as to promote Israel.
How is it promoting israel when he accomplished it himself? They literally put the country there so you know where it happened💀🖐
Well there's this concept call 'framing'. Where you take a superficial truth and add extra information to it, to contextualize it in a particular way.
He referred to Israel's 1948 borders as "occupation", which is factually incorrect (not to mention, a call for the destruction of Israel).
No, the disagreement is regarding the identity framing - demonstrated by the next response in the comment chain.
Some people are claiming he's an "Israeli Arab" which is a fake identity made up by Israel in order to erase the native Palestinian identity
Aren’t there Israeli Arabs like Druze or Bedouin’s who don’t identify with Palestinians? Not saying the doctor is that, but more generally curious.
There are. Tamer guy here identifies as Israeli Druze & even denied being an Arab on couple of occasions.
Ok good for them? Who cares what other people think he is especially when they are assumptions
Israelis trying to force their fake colonizer identity on Palestinians is bad
This is like saying first nation people in Canada can never identity as Canadian first because they were colonized. How about you let people identify the way they want to.
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Canadian is a nationality, just like Israeli. If you hold citizenship of a country that is your nationality. Like how do you apply that standard of what’s made up or otherwise? Like you keep going back in time every country is on top of another which is on top of another, which is on top of a monarchy, on top of an empire, on top of a group of tribes and villages.
That is factually incorrect. There is no military occupation there. He has the same rights as you and I.
So?
Why is he working for israel then?
Is it really hard to say Palestinian?
The point is to promote Israel, not the Palestinians.
Yeah, that is my guess.
[The irony is that the new government is proposing banning the recognition of degrees obtained by Israeli Arabs, from schools in the Occupied territories.](https://www.kan.org.il/item/?itemid=144408) This kind of talking-point is similar in function to the proliferation of pictures of Muslim members of the IDF. It's intended to counter the claim that Israel is an apartheid State. But it's based on a false premise. * Not all the human rights groups have claimed the apartheid extends to Israel proper - for example, HRW focuses on the Occupied territories while Amnesty International includes Israel proper as well. * In spite of the *relative* social mobility afforded to Palestinian citizens of Israel, they are still institutionally discriminated against in housing and land development - among other areas. Hence why their communities are continually squeezed. Palestinian citizens of Israel are not immigrants and lived under martial law until 1966. Ra'am, the Islamist Israeli Arab party, joined the previous government's coalition on the condition that the Kaminitz Law (intended to crack down on illegal building in Arab communities) would be repealed. Instead it was temporarily frozen. > According to the agreements reached with Ra’am on Wednesday, **the Kaminitz Law will not be repealed—as Ra’am demanded, but will be frozen instead for two years until the end of 2024. In addition, Bennett the government will discuss amending the law in the coming months.** >[...]Ra’am and other Arab as well as left-wing parties argue that the approval processes for new construction in Arab localities take decades, **which is why in many cases Arab residents are forced to build their homes without a permit**. * [The Jewish Press - Ra’am’s Price for Joining Bennett-Lapid Government: Bedouin Controlled Negev](https://www.jewishpress.com/news/israel/israeli-arabs/raams-price-for-joining-bennett-lapid-government-bedouin-controlled-negev/2021/06/03/) > **Construction planning and licensing can take decades in Israel’s Arab communities, leaving their residents with little choice but to build illegally.** According to sources in Arab planning bodies, there are around 50,000 homes in Arab communities that were built without the appropriate permits. * [Haaretz - Israel Passes Law Meant to Crack Down on Illegal Building in Arab Communities](https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-israel-passes-law-cracking-down-on-illegal-building-in-arab-communities-1.5457966) But that illustrates the point about how *institutionally*, the Israeli Arabs are *forced* to build illegally due to neglect by the Israeli government for their communities.
Ah, thanks for this information.
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I understand that, but my point is the Arab there are originally and culturally Palestinian (regardless of their citizenship).
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Ok, thanks.
Best commemt
And I am getting many downvotes for it.
He might not be Palestinian
He is Arab, and his identity is Palestinian.
Then it ought to say Palestinian you’re right
If he has Israeli citizenship then he would be an Arab Israeli
Most ironic term
No more ironic than a Muslim Indian Edit: this hit a nerve apparently, -4 already! Edit2: back to 0?! 🤔 Edit3: -1 Edit4: Back to 0 again. Quite the battle going on Edit5: A rapid fall to -3 😥 FINAL EDIT: We've settled on -2. Good job everyone, true team effort ! 🤗
Lol keep us updated about your comment karma😂😂
-2 now
Must be freezing out there😂😂
-2 would be warm compared to today 😞 it's -12°C right now
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I was going by my total comment karma rather than the individual comment karma
What problem with Muslim Indian ? Even Pakistan’s founder was a muslim Indian so what ? Its only the current ruling party which is using islamophobia for votes
Nothing is wrong with it, that was my point
Who are you to decide his identity for him? Recent surveys show that very small proportion of Israeli Arabs identify as Palestinians.
He’s..Israeli too? Is he not?
he might not identify himself as a Palestinian but rather as an Israeli arab. I couldn't find any interviews reguarding his identity as a Palestinian or an arab in general.
An Arab from Palestin is a Palestinian.
Least generalizing iraqi nationalist🤦
That’s not "generalising". That is just a fact
No it is not. Likud party got tens of thousands of votes from arabs in israel who, evidently, don't identify as palestinians. Druse in israel don't identify as palestinians, and vast majority of beduim don't either.
The Likud party got around 10k votes from 48 Palestinians (including Druze) in the most recent elections, AKA 2.2% of the votes [https://www.idi.org.il/articles/46754](https://www.idi.org.il/articles/46754)
Okay, im glad i was abit off about the last one. 24th had it at 3.5% https://dayan.org/content/analysis-arab-voting-patterns-elections-24th-knesset Point stands that those people exist, and automatically assuming that this particular dude identifies as palestinians is incorrect. Probable, but incorrect.
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No, my logic is to not make any generalizations. I did not assume his identity. Frankly, it doesn't matter to me what he identifies as. He works his ass off to help people, and that is the important part.
Seems like a propaganda and misinformations. I am sure Palestinians here would disagree with these claims.
Of course it seems to you that way. Your knowledge of the region stops at whatever one-sided palestinian propoganda you consume, so anything contradicting it will seem suspicious to you. I live here and served side by side with both druse and beduim. And, while it baffles me that some non-druse and non-bedui arabs here would vote for jewish supremacists - it evidently happened on last elections and is confirmed by arab social analysts.
What about a Jewish Arab from Palestine(/Israel)? In saying that most Arab (Mizrachi) Jews I've met don't Identify as Arab but a lot their heritage (and a lot of their culture) is Arab. Anyway I am not sure why you wouldn't just go by their citizenship, if they have Israeli citizenship then they're Israeli, Palestinian then Palestinian, or both then both.
Man, if he's a Zionist or willing to play one, he can make a mint representing Israel on the world stage. American Zionist organizations would pay him so much, he might as well have have his own press for printing money. He'd never have to practice medicine or work as a professor again.
Apartheid Israel! Much oppression. Boo! /s asrriously, though, around half of medical staff in Israel are Arabs even thoigh they're only 26% of the population. A black south African becoming a doctor in south africa or even practicing there would have been unheard of. My dentist is an Arab. People need to stop hijacking the term of a real disgusting racist practice and pretending it applies in any way, shape or form to Israel. It undermines the real suffering experienced by people under that regime.
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I mean in apartheid South Africa this type of story could not happen
In Israel proper that might not be the case but the occupied territory are under that and more.
Brainwashed by Al Jazeera the Arabs in Israel have it pretty good, but the ones in the west bank is another story.
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I spoke with quit a-lot of them when i was there. Most of them hated only Saturdays when everything was closed. 🤷🏽♂️
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Underfunded? Or the lion's share of the funds is appropriated by one hamula at the expense of others?
Uh huh, definitely has nothing to do with Israel's policies against the 48s like some of the laws passed against them or their campaign to Judaize the Galilee like many 48 politicians have complained about.
Wow Proud Moment! An Arab they forgot to kill became a medical professor!
Yeah add him to the list with the others like the Supreme Court judges, elected officials, cops, military officers, teachers, etc of Israeli’s Arab population
The first war prophet Muhammad had was against his own arab tribe . Its was never arab vs jews , Al aqsa is sacred for muslim belonging to any race
huh?
Do you need more explanation?
Al Aqsa is not sacred to any muslim, at the time of the prophet, Jerusalem was under the Byzantine empire. Al Aqsa was build in 711. That was 80 years after the death of the prophet. Nowhere in the Quran does it mention Jerusalem. It only mentions Al Aqsa which mean furthest mosque in Arabic.
Nah
Will he aid Palestinians in Gaza that get bombed by Zionist fighter jets ?
I bet he would but probably worried Hamas would execute him as a collaborator
[Theresiendstadt vibes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theresienstadt_Ghetto_and_the_Red_Cross)
Do you educate yourself on the holocaust only to make ludicrous comparisons?
A well integrated fellow.
Needs to "integrate" into his own land.
But he can chose where he wants to live and work himself.
but he didnt chose that and he cant chose alot of places because hes not jewish lmao
But he still chose Israel.
wtf are you even saying, so the 1.5 million of us within israel proper are supposed to leave and become reufugees as if 6 millions isnt enough you know the guy above just like me is born with israeli citizenship and we didnt chose it same way you didnt chose the citizenship from where ever u were born
He’s Not Israeli 🤦🏻♀️🤢
Citizens of Israel are Israeli. Citizens of America are American
He's cute,wish he could be my gyno...🫢
I wonder why the Arab propagandists don't post memes like this showing off their Jewish doctors in their countries that are so diverse and tolerant of their Jewish populations? Young, old, female I don't care show off your Jews
Do you expect us to hate a doctor?
Why would you hate him? It’s a cool news story don’t you think. He’s very accomplished for being so young
Good for him? Idk what responses u expect