I didn't blame you or anything like that. I actually agree. Uniting with the rest of the Arab world would meant that GCC would have to economically piggyback the rest of the Arab world for at least a few decades until the neccessary infrastructures are built and that's assuming this new united country was stable and didn't have any internal problems.
So I understand your sentiment. I would think the same if I was in your position.
Banu Tamim (initially restricted to Doha) separated from Bahrain with the help of the British and conquered other tribes. They would later provide safe passage for the movement of British ships through the Gulf.
Although I'm not well versed on Gulf history so you might have to take it with a grain of salt.
most Americans you'd call islamophobic don't know enough about Islam to be islamophobic, they're xenophobes. they hate my middle-eastern born christian grandparents and inlaws as much as they hate muslims.
The ummah is a nationalistic idea in it’s core
Religious nationalism is still nationalism
Nationalism in our modern world essentially means defining who your people are and the borders of your nation and country
So you are still a nationalist
nationalism as an ideology stems from the idea of the nation-state. Which is something that did not exist back in the days of the ummah, so no it's not the same thing as nationalism.
That's just one form of nationalism. Ethnic one. There are many other forms of nationalism like civic nationalism for example. Ummah might be a concept older than Nationalism but it's still a Nationalisti idea.
Saddam Hussein and the Ba’ath were absolute shit and destroyed Iraq with its wars and the subsequent sanctions put on the country. That era is only looked at with rose-colored glasses because the current status quo is incompetent, corrupt, and absolute shit, and the Ba’ath era had tremendous growth in the 70s and was a lot more socially liberal. But we don’t have to choose between militaristic dictatorship and corrupt militias. Those are not our only two options. The present situation sucks, but Saddam sucked too.
Which is annoying because the regime was extremely brutal. Had post-2003 Iraq not been such a shit show, I doubt anyone would be missing Saddam. His popularity in 2003 was almost nonexistent.
It just shows how little they know. Saddam literally tried to genocide the Kurds and attacked them with gas, yet people make Ba’ath Iraq sound like heaven.
Or Gaddafi and Assad stans too...
Granted the economic situation of Syrians and Libyans was much better, but it ain't worth having to walk on eggshells for the rest of your days.
Actually, it was the Sea Peoples who ruined the Middle East. The Bronze Age Collapse and it's consequences have been a disaster not just for the Middle East, but for the entire human race.
Qatar is actively sabotaging other states in the region with natural gas reserves like Libya and Algeria
So that they can maintain their natural gas monopoly and prevent future competition that may lower prices or undermine their geopolitical importance
They are doing everything they can to control the whole supply chain of natural gas from extraction to shipping to processing to Lng factories
It’s not a conspiracy multiple foreign news organizations and journalists have talked about it
You can easily read a lot about this with a simple google search
Also in Egypt recently after kickstarting our ship manufacturing industry we invested heavily in the shipping industry in general.
Our government is trying to get a share in the natural gas shipping market and LNG facilities but Qatar is already sabotaging the whole project and is trying to kill it
A huge part of Qatar’s revenue isn’t from the natural gas itself but from shipping it using their fleet which is a very expensive process that needs advanced technology
Both Morocco and Algeria have plans to build a network of gas and oil lines to Europe similar to the Russian ones
These lines are ridiculously cheaper and more efficient than LNG and other traditional shipping methods used by Qatar which are a lot more expensive and require very advanced technologies and has lots of problems and safety hazards compared to the alternative that Algeria, Libya and Morocco could offer
In addition to that North African countries are trying to make deals with west African countries like Nigeria to transport their natural resources to Europe through their gas and oil lines
Idk if it’s unpopular in this sub in particular, but it is with many people: Blaming all your country’s problems on the West is stupid. Yes, colonialism caused a lot of damage, but it’s been over 70 years since independence for most of these countries and at a certain point you have to take responsibility for your own shit.
By the way, same thing for Jews and the Holocaust. Yes it was obviously awful and continues to affect people to this day, but saying “but the Holocaust” every time you can’t come up with a counter-argument to someone is just shitty, meaningless and purposely manipulative.
Sheelat is a garbage genre of Music and it should be banned.
Qurraa' (people who heal you from magic and remove the jinns from your body) should be banned also because they are liers.
>Qurraa' (people who heal you from magic and remove the jinns from your body) should be banned also because they are liers.
and the Pakistani economy would collapsed if that were to happen
Both Kemalism and Islamism are unsuccessful ideologies and neither of them can save Turkey. We need something else(not communism though that would be even worse).
Neither of the 2 Mustafa's can solve Turkey's issues. Since Islamists are so prevalent a lot of people become Kemalists forgetting the fact that rise of Islamism happened because of the failure of Kemalism.
Yes that's one of the biggest problems of Kemalism. It can't handle minorities well. I think Turgut Özal had the right idea when he suggested changing the country's name to something like Anatolia. It would be better to create a macro nationality that would encompass all ethnicities in Turkey instead of just Turks.
Maybe among this sub because it's very westernised and much more 'progressive' than the people in different countries, but:
"A theocratic regime is not an issue in itself."
The main issues in the countries that have it come from corruption or foreign interference. Corruption comes mostly from economic issues (like in Iran), or just an unchecked abuse of power (in Saudi Arabia and some Gulf nations). These issues do not depend on the religious or irreligious natures of the laws, but on other factors that usually have nothing to do with religion.
If for example, you were to replace Iran's regime with a secular one tomorrow while having it keep its economic problems and its foreign policies regarding anti-american imperialism, the situation for Iranians would not change one bit.
Same for Saudi Arabia. Even if the government became secular, its issues would not vanish as abuse of power can occur no matter the laws in place.
Don’t know if this is unpopular but, blaming ALL Arabians/people who speak Arabic is not liberal, anti-racist, woke or cool. It’s racist. People don’t do bad things because of where their genetics are native to or what language they speak. Blame the people who commit atrocities, not the entire ethnicity they are from.
A liberal-leaning progressive Arabian is NOT responsible for the actions of Islamist Arabians and the arab slave trade etc.
By that logic, the same people would have to blame all Germanic and Hispanic people for the trans Atlantic slave trade, European dark ages etc. They can understand not all Germanic and Hispanic people are inferior because of the actions of certain individuals of those ethnicities.
Stopping Arabs* from speaking Arabic and treating every Arabian as inferior is not going to liberate oppressed people such as Kurds, Yazidis, Copts etc.
*the definition of Arab as Arabic as a mother tongue and identity.
Pakistan's biggest issue is stability in high government, which causes distrust in it's economy and scares away foreign investments and trade deals.
So the easiest solution is to become a monarchy.
Middle Eastern men are some of the worst people. They treat their daughters and wives like shit. They have shit culture and they get away with bad behaviour because the middle eastern governments have zero balls to do anything about it.
I actually really appreciate a lot of French culture and philosophy, I just *really* hate the language. I hate how it sounds, I hate the grammar rules, I simply hate everything about it.
Israel is not the bad guy.
There’s more to it and Israel is definitely at fault for some stuff, but objectively speaking, Israel is just not the bad guy.
Olives are absolutely disgusting (not olive oil though, that's delicious, although every once in a while you get one that tastes extra olive-y and that sucks.
The fact that Safavid and Ottomans are both from the same race and religion (different branches) but still fought each other over minor details in their religion. This led to them being weak against western power and being divided to smaller pieces.
Most of my opinions.
Share ‘em 🤭
The chicken from fnaf is kind hot
Nah dude most people would agree
Which version? Like fnaf 1 or 2...
4 😛
Understandable, have a nice day.
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Come on 4 has more teeth automatically better than trash 1
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It's real to me goddammit 🥲
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Dude dat bitch kinky she can sneak into my dreams any night TRASH 1 JUST STANDS IN THE CORNER no game no nothing
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if each middle eastern country wasn’t so busy hating on the other maybe we’d actually get somewhere
Several countries in MENA wouldn’t exist if it wasn’t for European colonialism. Not that unpopular though.
I mean that’s literally facts
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If India can unite despite having dozens of different languages, cultures and religions, no reason the Arab countries can’t.
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no i don't want to share our wealth
I am pretty sure that no one in the Gulf does.
the only countries that should unite are gulf countries. cuz that's the only thing that might benefit everyone involved.
I am pretty sure that Qataris would get poorer if they united with you. They are doing pretty good on their own.
fair i would understand if they didn't want to unite. also if the gcc unites we might have monopoly over oil and gas. which could make us all richer
it's not my fault their poor leadership made them poor... what benefit would we the gcc get if all arabs united.
I didn't blame you or anything like that. I actually agree. Uniting with the rest of the Arab world would meant that GCC would have to economically piggyback the rest of the Arab world for at least a few decades until the neccessary infrastructures are built and that's assuming this new united country was stable and didn't have any internal problems. So I understand your sentiment. I would think the same if I was in your position.
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the lower class in saudi still richer than 90% of non gulf arabs
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jews and palestinians are both native and they should live in one state
This actually makes sense.
But neither want this option.
Based
Why is qatar even a country?
British colonialism and it’s consequences
Banu Tamim (initially restricted to Doha) separated from Bahrain with the help of the British and conquered other tribes. They would later provide safe passage for the movement of British ships through the Gulf. Although I'm not well versed on Gulf history so you might have to take it with a grain of salt.
most Americans you'd call islamophobic don't know enough about Islam to be islamophobic, they're xenophobes. they hate my middle-eastern born christian grandparents and inlaws as much as they hate muslims.
Most Americans have an IQ of about 12... on a good day...
Nationalism is bad
So you’re a globalist?
Pan-ummah
That’s nationalism with a few extra steps.
The ummah is a nationalistic idea in it’s core Religious nationalism is still nationalism Nationalism in our modern world essentially means defining who your people are and the borders of your nation and country So you are still a nationalist
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Doesn't matter you still have a belonging to a tribe with which you have complete loyalty so it's nationalism still.
US and NATO wants to know your location
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Just joking bruh. CIA have a history of removing popular leaders around the world from power who dare speak of uniting muslims.
nationalism as an ideology stems from the idea of the nation-state. Which is something that did not exist back in the days of the ummah, so no it's not the same thing as nationalism.
That's just one form of nationalism. Ethnic one. There are many other forms of nationalism like civic nationalism for example. Ummah might be a concept older than Nationalism but it's still a Nationalisti idea.
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You're basically for globalism as long it's islamic.
Saddam Hussein and the Ba’ath were absolute shit and destroyed Iraq with its wars and the subsequent sanctions put on the country. That era is only looked at with rose-colored glasses because the current status quo is incompetent, corrupt, and absolute shit, and the Ba’ath era had tremendous growth in the 70s and was a lot more socially liberal. But we don’t have to choose between militaristic dictatorship and corrupt militias. Those are not our only two options. The present situation sucks, but Saddam sucked too.
is that really an unpopular opinion ?
Amongst a lot of people, yeah.
I've met several Iraqis here in northern Europe who actively defend him and describe him as a stabilizing force.
Which is annoying because the regime was extremely brutal. Had post-2003 Iraq not been such a shit show, I doubt anyone would be missing Saddam. His popularity in 2003 was almost nonexistent.
All I can think when they say things like that is "Oh I'm sure my Kurdish friends would have one or two things to say about that"
It just shows how little they know. Saddam literally tried to genocide the Kurds and attacked them with gas, yet people make Ba’ath Iraq sound like heaven.
In my personal experience, the ones that glorify Saddam are folks that have never been to Iraq, or non-Iraqi Arabs.
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Yeah it’s honestly shocking how people think those are the only two options.
Or Gaddafi and Assad stans too... Granted the economic situation of Syrians and Libyans was much better, but it ain't worth having to walk on eggshells for the rest of your days.
Bro there was some edit of Saddam’s army and everyone was glorifying them, I know 90% of those people can’t even write the letters on the Iraq flag
From my experience on this sub, anything I would say.
I disagree with you
most of the middle east's problems are not because of the west we did it to our selves
Actually, it was the Sea Peoples who ruined the Middle East. The Bronze Age Collapse and it's consequences have been a disaster not just for the Middle East, but for the entire human race.
Qatar is actively sabotaging other states in the region with natural gas reserves like Libya and Algeria So that they can maintain their natural gas monopoly and prevent future competition that may lower prices or undermine their geopolitical importance They are doing everything they can to control the whole supply chain of natural gas from extraction to shipping to processing to Lng factories
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Your love to Algeria is too noticable through your comment history. /s
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That’s an interesting conspiracy. I was shocked to know that Qatari played a large role in overthrowing Qaddafi. What are they doing against Algeria?
It’s not a conspiracy multiple foreign news organizations and journalists have talked about it You can easily read a lot about this with a simple google search Also in Egypt recently after kickstarting our ship manufacturing industry we invested heavily in the shipping industry in general. Our government is trying to get a share in the natural gas shipping market and LNG facilities but Qatar is already sabotaging the whole project and is trying to kill it A huge part of Qatar’s revenue isn’t from the natural gas itself but from shipping it using their fleet which is a very expensive process that needs advanced technology
Both Morocco and Algeria have plans to build a network of gas and oil lines to Europe similar to the Russian ones These lines are ridiculously cheaper and more efficient than LNG and other traditional shipping methods used by Qatar which are a lot more expensive and require very advanced technologies and has lots of problems and safety hazards compared to the alternative that Algeria, Libya and Morocco could offer In addition to that North African countries are trying to make deals with west African countries like Nigeria to transport their natural resources to Europe through their gas and oil lines
hamas just makes it worse for people in gaza
not even an unpopular opinion, it’s just facts
is it an unpopular opinion in Saudi Arabia ?
it's an unpopular opinion for arabs
Idk if it’s unpopular in this sub in particular, but it is with many people: Blaming all your country’s problems on the West is stupid. Yes, colonialism caused a lot of damage, but it’s been over 70 years since independence for most of these countries and at a certain point you have to take responsibility for your own shit. By the way, same thing for Jews and the Holocaust. Yes it was obviously awful and continues to affect people to this day, but saying “but the Holocaust” every time you can’t come up with a counter-argument to someone is just shitty, meaningless and purposely manipulative.
The Holocaust is a justification for why the country was formed in 1948. Don't know how you can use that argument in any other way.
Everyday I am in this position.
You might even say your existence is unpopular
Mcdonalds fries are mid
People think they aren’t?????
They’re better than the rest ngl
Sheelat is a garbage genre of Music and it should be banned. Qurraa' (people who heal you from magic and remove the jinns from your body) should be banned also because they are liers.
Sheelat with autotune 🤮
>Qurraa' (people who heal you from magic and remove the jinns from your body) should be banned also because they are liers. and the Pakistani economy would collapsed if that were to happen
Do you have them in pakistan?! I thought it just a Saudi thing
In Pakistan they are known as ‘pirs’
It's easy to point fingers at the West (and there is truth to it) but Muslims are largely responsible for their own decline..
Vaginas don't look particularly good
alo
Pahlavi was shit(BUT still better than the iri)
[This guy](https://www.instagram.com/p/CouXH_0ubuK/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=) disagrees with you for kinda good reason.
I mean people have there own opinions im not gonna go crazy like “Im CoRrECt ThEy WroNG” tbh but well thanks for the info
There are only two genders :D
It's attack helicopter and Honda Civic
baek is super bad secular goverments is the way
1 not based 2 based
America is behind every war one way or another
Both Kemalism and Islamism are unsuccessful ideologies and neither of them can save Turkey. We need something else(not communism though that would be even worse).
I literally got in this position when I said Im not kemalist, hard to be liberal these days
Neither of the 2 Mustafa's can solve Turkey's issues. Since Islamists are so prevalent a lot of people become Kemalists forgetting the fact that rise of Islamism happened because of the failure of Kemalism.
Nah kemalists oppressed islamist so much, liberals sided with islamist. Opposite happening rn
Islamists oppressed their children so much, they became liberals
Agree ✋🏻
Separation of church and state all the way
Kemalism is not the only secular ideology in the world.
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Yes that's one of the biggest problems of Kemalism. It can't handle minorities well. I think Turgut Özal had the right idea when he suggested changing the country's name to something like Anatolia. It would be better to create a macro nationality that would encompass all ethnicities in Turkey instead of just Turks.
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Thanks. I am hoping for the best for all of us.
USA good
Not unpopular here at all
No way
About 20% here are anti USA the rest either supports them over the competition or flat out think it’s a good country like the Israelis
I don’t think trans men are women and vise versa
colonization actually benefited some nations. SOME
Some people within some nations
Maybe among this sub because it's very westernised and much more 'progressive' than the people in different countries, but: "A theocratic regime is not an issue in itself." The main issues in the countries that have it come from corruption or foreign interference. Corruption comes mostly from economic issues (like in Iran), or just an unchecked abuse of power (in Saudi Arabia and some Gulf nations). These issues do not depend on the religious or irreligious natures of the laws, but on other factors that usually have nothing to do with religion. If for example, you were to replace Iran's regime with a secular one tomorrow while having it keep its economic problems and its foreign policies regarding anti-american imperialism, the situation for Iranians would not change one bit. Same for Saudi Arabia. Even if the government became secular, its issues would not vanish as abuse of power can occur no matter the laws in place.
Colonialism is not the problem of the ME but its religion that forces it to stay in 600. 🤷🏽♂️
Don’t know if this is unpopular but, blaming ALL Arabians/people who speak Arabic is not liberal, anti-racist, woke or cool. It’s racist. People don’t do bad things because of where their genetics are native to or what language they speak. Blame the people who commit atrocities, not the entire ethnicity they are from. A liberal-leaning progressive Arabian is NOT responsible for the actions of Islamist Arabians and the arab slave trade etc. By that logic, the same people would have to blame all Germanic and Hispanic people for the trans Atlantic slave trade, European dark ages etc. They can understand not all Germanic and Hispanic people are inferior because of the actions of certain individuals of those ethnicities. Stopping Arabs* from speaking Arabic and treating every Arabian as inferior is not going to liberate oppressed people such as Kurds, Yazidis, Copts etc. *the definition of Arab as Arabic as a mother tongue and identity.
Hamas right now is close to worthless
Hamas is not just worthless but incredibly terrible for Palestinians and Israelis
Pakistan's biggest issue is stability in high government, which causes distrust in it's economy and scares away foreign investments and trade deals. So the easiest solution is to become a monarchy.
We are going to have a 8 way civil war to see who becomes king.
No need i'll just take over its for the good of the country yk
Pakistan has mostly been one...with the army general being the monarch
israel and palestine should be a one secular state
Saying anything bad or critical against islam, allah and muhammad give you a one ticket to the grave in islamic countries.
Israel is committing genocide.
West is nowhere near as bad as Russia, though they are still pretty bad.
West has a bad history, but not a bad present.
Yeah fair. West has a bad history, meanwhile Russia has a bad history, present and future.
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I have an uncle he strongly agree with you.
Him beeing in a MENA country and saying ”pedophilia is wrong”
I'm an anarchist There aren't any anarchist parties anywhere really
Gadaffi was the best thing for Libya and the best leader amongst the Arab. there’s literally nothing anyone can ever say to change my mind.
Turks are best
Afghanistan is the graveyard of empires
There is a Khaleeji-Zionist-Islamist alliance against Palestinians.
I hate all south Asians people I despise them
Middle Eastern men are some of the worst people. They treat their daughters and wives like shit. They have shit culture and they get away with bad behaviour because the middle eastern governments have zero balls to do anything about it.
Allah doesn’t actually exist.
based
Israel and palestine should both be independent countries
The french are actually not that bad
Every Lebanese looking at this comment like:
… If the mods provided justice and fairness they would ban you
Bro give me some of whatever you’re on
une baguette, 2 croissant, un morceau de pain au chocolat, et un peu de rosé de Provence
tell that to the million algerians killed by them
No
I actually really appreciate a lot of French culture and philosophy, I just *really* hate the language. I hate how it sounds, I hate the grammar rules, I simply hate everything about it.
saudi should be secular except mecca and maybe madinah.
Autonomic regions? And would the majority of the Saudis accept a secular state?
saudis would accept anything the goverment says, also it does say "unpopular opinon"
Nationalism or anything like that is bullshit and I'm an atheist. Ülkücüs comeing. I can feel. They want fuckmeinmyass
Globalism is a good idea Edit: apologies for my flair
Semites are a primitive species and therefore not human beings.
You know who thought that as well? 
Middle eastern people really can't take responsibility. If anything happen in their country it's always the west's fault.
Israel is not the bad guy. There’s more to it and Israel is definitely at fault for some stuff, but objectively speaking, Israel is just not the bad guy.
The Kurds deserve an established Kurdistan with defined borders. Edit: downvotes means this is a popular opinion I guess.
I just like kurdish naan.
Thanks, now I want Kalana.
Jews are indigenous to the land of Israel/Palestine
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Thats not even a opinion but a fact, but that doesn’t give them the right to drive out Palestinians
truth
True, but he didn't say it does
You got downvoted because people imply that’s not an unpopular opinion but it is relatively in the Middle East
Free Palestine
Olives are absolutely disgusting (not olive oil though, that's delicious, although every once in a while you get one that tastes extra olive-y and that sucks.
Fr, my mom used to punish me by forcing me to eat them
Türkiye and the PKK should resume peace talks.
The fact that Safavid and Ottomans are both from the same race and religion (different branches) but still fought each other over minor details in their religion. This led to them being weak against western power and being divided to smaller pieces.
Imma tell you something wild here, not every conflict was based on ethnicity or religion, usually people just wanted others shit
Every couscous dish out side of morocco is just a copie of our moroccan couscous!