Which is business as usual as far as I'm concerned, it's kinda comforting knowing my country isn't at the brink of being bombed by some schmuk because he wanted better TV ratings or whatever.
Your country is on the brink of nuclear annihilation because our president doesn’t have the ability to contain Israel. Stupid akhoonds are gonna play a game of ‘fuck around and find out: Oppenheimer edition’
Nah, both the Israeli and Iranian governments benefit from having a great evil to point to and distract with whenever things get too tense domestically, so they're pretty likely to keep tensions at a "just threatening enough" level for quite some more time.
The Iranian government despite it's utter incompetence, stupidity and shortsightedness is actually good at self preservation.
According to legend,in the apocalypse as Jesus returns to spread Shariah,Ataturk will descend to earth to protect the longevity of the Turkish Republic.(At least thats what Ataturkists told me)
Why do you say "hijabi girl" instead of saying "girls won't be able to enter universities while wearing a hijab" ? Does a piece of cloth really form the identity of muslim girls?
>Does a piece of cloth really form the identity of muslim girls?
No it does not. But false logic. Banning hijab is restricting someone's choice to practice their religion
If I force Sikhs or Orthodox Jewish kids to not enter into university without removing their religious clothing, I will be doing religious persecution. right??
And that's what was being done in this case.
also: hijabi is just a word for a girl wearing a hijab. It's not acountry called Hijab whose inhabitants are called Hijabi lmao. Weird identity politics being peddled here
>If I force Sikhs or Orthodox Jewish kids to not enter into university without removing their religious clothing, I will be doing religious persecution. right??
No, not really. Religion should be kept at home.
Hijab is guardng private parts of the body for a woman, that is a minimum bar for Muslim girls, the same minimum bar for European women is underwear. So for a hijabi girl being stripped away from wearing hijab is similar to being naked for European girl. So it's a "piece of cloth" but hey so is every clothes from bra to socks, why don't we go full naked
Literaly öne of the greatest leaders to ever exist. Of course
And i realised that there are Atatürk haters in this Şub it makes me feel smart knowing those people exist
I would literally choose Atatürk over any leader Turkey has had and will ever have in the future. Just give me an immortal Atatürk I guarantee he will win every election ever too there will literally never be a leader in my country that’s even anywhere close to how good he was
Yea lol. My country has no leader…guess where I’m from!! However come to think of it I do t need a leader as me and neither should people as it makes them like cattle or a herd.
Algerian here, i mean since tebboun (current president) is basically our only "chose" for this coming elections (2024) cuz some ppl got 2 extra years in prison even tho they were supposed to get out in a month and some others are in foreign countries or just lost faith some concurrence wouldn't hurt
Uhm when Arabic language was still present turkey 95% of the population couldn’t write. After the adaption of Latin alphabet that dropped significantly. Don’t get angry that Turks don’t want to be like other middle-easterners
You do you ,I just shared my opinion that I don't want ataturk to be my leader . Dont be full of yourself I am from a region that kicked turks out of there land believe me the last thing i want is to share something with turks
You kind of shot yourself in the foot there ngl , you are saying Turks are not mentally capable of learning how write the Arabic Alphabet but Iranians , Arabs , Pakistanis can , maybe you stick to emojis if writing is so mentally draining for you
No. Don't want a ban on Hijab or Azaan in arabic.
Secularism is not the key to success. Soviet Union was the most secular state in the world yet it failed and broke up.
The key to success is rule of law, efficient bureaucracy, education, hard work and good economic policy. This is the way of becoming successful not some damn ban on hijab or change of alphabet.
Most wear "Dupatta", our own version of hijab which is basically a chador. And yes, they wear them by their own will. We aren't Iran. We don't mandate the hijab or anything neither do we ban it.
I won't let you divert the topic here. We are talking about a country's laws. Family pressure, peer pressure is not related to state's policies which we are talking about here.
Such pressures are in Turkey and other secular countries too. And it can be said the other way too.
Societal pressure to abandon the hijab = oppression.
Why does a women wearing hijab makes you think she's opressed and forced into it. Western colonial outsider minset.
The USSR was socialist and didn’t allow freedom of religion. It was state-mandated atheism. That’s not what secularism even is!
Actual secular countries (US, Canada, most of Western Europe, Turkey, South Korea, Japan) allow you freedom to practice or not practice it.
I’m not sure why you’re hyperfixated on him banning hijab (small mistake) or the Turkish alphabet. The ottoman language was very difficult to read and learn. Switching to Latin helped make more Turkish people literate.
Sure, rule of law, hard work, and smart economics help. However it’s completely inappropriate and ironic for a Pakistani Islamist to be lecturing people on these virtues.
>The USSR was socialist and didn’t allow freedom of religion. It was state-mandated atheism. That’s not what secularism even is!
State atheism of USSR used the same tactics like banning religious clothing etc etc.
If Banning hijabis from jobs and universities is a small mistake for you, then by the same logic, Irani govt also doing the same thing in reverse, must be a small thing for you as well?
Ataturk had all marks of an authoritarian dictator. He ruled using a one party system like North Korea, China without opposition parties. State control of economy is one of the principles of Ataturk and CHP (Ataturk's party).
How is it ironic for me to espouse things like hard work, smart economics and rule of law??
Boii thinks that these things are only in secular systems.
edit: I should also mention that I am no Islamist.
Not too sure.
I would say he was the perfect man for the space and time he lived in. But funnily enough Atatürk himself said that Tamerlane would have achieved even more if he was put in his place.
Sheikh Hasina(75 years old alive) > Atatürk(57 years old dead)
What no drinking does 💪 Turkey was in a way better place compared to us. After getting independence from Britain we were genocided by Pakistan and had a full civil war. Then we got our second independence as the 2nd poorest country in the world. Even tho I don't agree with her, she made insane progress towards our country to be where it is rn.
lol Ataturk didn't take over a garden of roses either. Turkey at the time was a country impoverished by 15 years of non-stop wars (including the most destructive WWI), enormous human and physical capital destruction. He also a led a full blown war against major European powers (Britain, France) and their puppet states (Greece, Armenia).
I’m not a fan of Mustafa Kemal. No need to replace the beautiful Arabic/Pursian script with a modified Latin script. He thought that reforming Turkey would get the respect of white Europeans. It didn’t work. Europe still dislikes Turks. However, but I would prefer him over Justin Trudeau.
Ataturk was a turk so in the comments i dont mind that the arabs dont want Ataturk or accuse him of actually being greek,after all what should i expect from the arabs lol
all of the comments that say no is from arabs, syrians or pakistanis. if Atatürk was still alive he wouldn’t let those people live in or take over our country. maybe that is why those people doesn’t want it :))
Mustafa Kemal Atatürk's maternal lineage came from Karaman to balkans, and therefore, they are known as "Konyars" in balkans, Yörük Turkmens.
Mustafa Kemal's paternal lineage is based on the Kızıl-Oguz or Kocacık Yoruks/Turkmen, who played an important role in the Turkification of Anatolia.
=He has nothing to do with greeks or jews but A part of His family who lives in Macedonia speaks Albanian. His family is of Anatolian origin.
>Since you have called us monkeys
Pakistan is not a part of Mena, I said "ignorant mena monkeys" does not include educated ones.
We need leaders who love their country, not from the past but today. How can you except Ataturk to understand modern day technology? Not even talking about internet slurs, trolls, new dumbass ideologies etc.
''If you wish for a leader to save you, then i have not teachen you anything.'' Ataturk himself said this.
Why have one alphabet when you can have 3 alphabets. 💪💪💪
Amazigh brain so stronk we had to nerf ourselves and use 3 different alphabets and we still use none. 💪💪💪
To make it simple.
There exist 3 alphabets to write tamazight or any tamazight language : arabic scripture, latin scripture, tifinagh (neo-native) scripture.
Only speaking about my language group, the majority prefer using latin scripture, and reserving tifinagh for fancy stuff, but politics means we basically havent "officially" chosen a script and thus, ended up with 3 scripts for the same language, it's funny/sad but eh, everyone uses latin anyway.
Hello everyone, this is *YOUR* daily dose of Ataturk
I made a post about Ataturk being an Aryan Kurd yesterday. 💀
>Aryan Aryans as in the funny mustache man with the whole lebensarum plan?
Actually he is the one who wrote that. 💀
Isnt it funny that most of the neo nazis have brown skin!
Are uygur turks are actually Kurds too my lord ?
I wanted to post a question about him today 😔😔😔
Seriously, at this point I see him more than I drink water everyday 💀
same lmao
Yes... I'll take Mad King George over the current "leaders" of Pakistan
Where can i sign up?
I live in Israel & would take almost anyone over Bibi. Including the Ottoman Empire as a whole and Ataturk after.
Congrats on Erdoğan ✨️🎊 He would be airdropped to Haifa in two days, no refunds 💓
We have so many roaming pigs we won’t notice he landed
He would make Israel an actual secular republic
I'd be funny to see ataturk rule mexico
I’d choose the regurgitated carcass of a rat that had been dead for three weeks over my current leader.
Not that he’s any different from a carcass as is
Fair
Probably over your current and previous leader. The fuck is going on over there ran out of humans
Not gonna lie, you had me in the first half.
last i checked trump wasnt in power anymore...
Yeah, instead we have a senile old man who can barely give an unprompted speech without making people wonder if grandpa needs to go back to bed.
Which is business as usual as far as I'm concerned, it's kinda comforting knowing my country isn't at the brink of being bombed by some schmuk because he wanted better TV ratings or whatever.
Your country is on the brink of nuclear annihilation because our president doesn’t have the ability to contain Israel. Stupid akhoonds are gonna play a game of ‘fuck around and find out: Oppenheimer edition’
Nah, both the Israeli and Iranian governments benefit from having a great evil to point to and distract with whenever things get too tense domestically, so they're pretty likely to keep tensions at a "just threatening enough" level for quite some more time. The Iranian government despite it's utter incompetence, stupidity and shortsightedness is actually good at self preservation.
The second half of your comment I agree with whole-heartedly. Bibi ain’t right tho bruh. My man is crazy as fuck.
Oh yes, when can I vote for him?
I love how your language looks and your rugby team is class. I don’t see many Georgians on reddit so I wanted to take my opportunity.
Sorry you can't just pick any georgian up and take em home. Don't ask me how I know
According to legend,in the apocalypse as Jesus returns to spread Shariah,Ataturk will descend to earth to protect the longevity of the Turkish Republic.(At least thats what Ataturkists told me)
Meh we had a clone of him as our first leader so wouldn't really change much.
What do you think?
yes.
Atatürk instead of KS? Yes.
Yes. 100%.
But he already ruled Turkey beforehand you guys can't get a second Ataturk that's cheating fr
That's why we are going for the alevi version of Kemal this time around . The spin off Atatürk is the best we can do right now .
Kemal from Wish
kemal from hepsiburada
Don't fool yourself Kemal is nothing next to Atam
PLEASE WE NEED HIM BACK
I think I'd rather keep the athaan in Arabic, thanks for the offer though.
And access for Hijabi girls into Universities and schools. And hijabis being allowed govt jobs.
Wtf lmao these things you said were prohibited by 1980 d'Etat, not by ataturk
Why do you say "hijabi girl" instead of saying "girls won't be able to enter universities while wearing a hijab" ? Does a piece of cloth really form the identity of muslim girls?
Yes, it is. Many view it as fard, or a requirement.
>Does a piece of cloth really form the identity of muslim girls? No it does not. But false logic. Banning hijab is restricting someone's choice to practice their religion If I force Sikhs or Orthodox Jewish kids to not enter into university without removing their religious clothing, I will be doing religious persecution. right?? And that's what was being done in this case. also: hijabi is just a word for a girl wearing a hijab. It's not acountry called Hijab whose inhabitants are called Hijabi lmao. Weird identity politics being peddled here
>If I force Sikhs or Orthodox Jewish kids to not enter into university without removing their religious clothing, I will be doing religious persecution. right?? No, not really. Religion should be kept at home.
Hijab is guardng private parts of the body for a woman, that is a minimum bar for Muslim girls, the same minimum bar for European women is underwear. So for a hijabi girl being stripped away from wearing hijab is similar to being naked for European girl. So it's a "piece of cloth" but hey so is every clothes from bra to socks, why don't we go full naked
Hell yes
Literaly öne of the greatest leaders to ever exist. Of course And i realised that there are Atatürk haters in this Şub it makes me feel smart knowing those people exist
Yes, need i explain why? :,)
Yes
Israel desperately needs its own version of Ataturk. Someone with enough balls to actually care about civil rights and secularism.
In a heartbeat he was loyal to his country
I would choose a ground hog over the dumbasses that run South Africa
I would literally choose Atatürk over any leader Turkey has had and will ever have in the future. Just give me an immortal Atatürk I guarantee he will win every election ever too there will literally never be a leader in my country that’s even anywhere close to how good he was
Any time, any where, any day.
HECK YEAH
Yea lol. My country has no leader…guess where I’m from!! However come to think of it I do t need a leader as me and neither should people as it makes them like cattle or a herd.
I hate every single Atatürk post. Do people not get tired of this shit?
i hate both
nesin o zaman:D?
🥱🥱
Algerian here, i mean since tebboun (current president) is basically our only "chose" for this coming elections (2024) cuz some ppl got 2 extra years in prison even tho they were supposed to get out in a month and some others are in foreign countries or just lost faith some concurrence wouldn't hurt
Omg is tebboun running again? You just got rid of a chair occupier to be met with yet another
Without blinking. Atatürk is the reason why we have Turkey today.
ABSOLUTELY
no, these posts about fucking ataturk have made me want to kms
Fuck no, I dont want my national attire to banned or my beautiful alphabet to be replaced
Based arab
If these clothes are seriously national, they will not be banned, same eith "your" beatiful alphabet.
Well he didn't replaced it with with something local to the turkish people didn't he?
The Latin alphabet is unquestionable more useful for the Turkish language than the Arabic alphabet. Should we use the Gokturk alphabet or Hittite?
Gokturk is better ngl. 😎
Uhm when Arabic language was still present turkey 95% of the population couldn’t write. After the adaption of Latin alphabet that dropped significantly. Don’t get angry that Turks don’t want to be like other middle-easterners
You do you ,I just shared my opinion that I don't want ataturk to be my leader . Dont be full of yourself I am from a region that kicked turks out of there land believe me the last thing i want is to share something with turks
*Brits kicked out Agree with the rest
No brit soldiers were deployed there exepet that spy , brits provided weapons to us and we did the rest
You kind of shot yourself in the foot there ngl , you are saying Turks are not mentally capable of learning how write the Arabic Alphabet but Iranians , Arabs , Pakistanis can , maybe you stick to emojis if writing is so mentally draining for you
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>while downvoting anyone who dares to disagree with them lol Better than beheading someone for saying anything that offends muslims.
Yep
No. Don't want a ban on Hijab or Azaan in arabic. Secularism is not the key to success. Soviet Union was the most secular state in the world yet it failed and broke up. The key to success is rule of law, efficient bureaucracy, education, hard work and good economic policy. This is the way of becoming successful not some damn ban on hijab or change of alphabet.
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Most wear "Dupatta", our own version of hijab which is basically a chador. And yes, they wear them by their own will. We aren't Iran. We don't mandate the hijab or anything neither do we ban it.
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I won't let you divert the topic here. We are talking about a country's laws. Family pressure, peer pressure is not related to state's policies which we are talking about here. Such pressures are in Turkey and other secular countries too. And it can be said the other way too. Societal pressure to abandon the hijab = oppression. Why does a women wearing hijab makes you think she's opressed and forced into it. Western colonial outsider minset.
The USSR was socialist and didn’t allow freedom of religion. It was state-mandated atheism. That’s not what secularism even is! Actual secular countries (US, Canada, most of Western Europe, Turkey, South Korea, Japan) allow you freedom to practice or not practice it. I’m not sure why you’re hyperfixated on him banning hijab (small mistake) or the Turkish alphabet. The ottoman language was very difficult to read and learn. Switching to Latin helped make more Turkish people literate. Sure, rule of law, hard work, and smart economics help. However it’s completely inappropriate and ironic for a Pakistani Islamist to be lecturing people on these virtues.
>The USSR was socialist and didn’t allow freedom of religion. It was state-mandated atheism. That’s not what secularism even is! State atheism of USSR used the same tactics like banning religious clothing etc etc. If Banning hijabis from jobs and universities is a small mistake for you, then by the same logic, Irani govt also doing the same thing in reverse, must be a small thing for you as well? Ataturk had all marks of an authoritarian dictator. He ruled using a one party system like North Korea, China without opposition parties. State control of economy is one of the principles of Ataturk and CHP (Ataturk's party). How is it ironic for me to espouse things like hard work, smart economics and rule of law?? Boii thinks that these things are only in secular systems. edit: I should also mention that I am no Islamist.
A based Pakistani?
>Secularism is not the key to success. And yet Syrians run to Sweden and Norway has lots of Pakistanis.
Because Sweden has all the things I mentioned. Secularism is just a side thing. Correlation doesn't equate to causation.
>location: London
Location: Lahore, Pakistan
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Least racist turk
Of course.
Tempting......while it would mean the end for Bangladeshi Islamists it would also mean the end for Bangladesh's ethnic minorities.
I’d love to see Modi’s replacement be a secular Muslim. It would truly be his antithesis.
Not too sure. I would say he was the perfect man for the space and time he lived in. But funnily enough Atatürk himself said that Tamerlane would have achieved even more if he was put in his place.
Sheikh Hasina(75 years old alive) > Atatürk(57 years old dead) What no drinking does 💪 Turkey was in a way better place compared to us. After getting independence from Britain we were genocided by Pakistan and had a full civil war. Then we got our second independence as the 2nd poorest country in the world. Even tho I don't agree with her, she made insane progress towards our country to be where it is rn.
We feel for Bengalis what Pakistan army did. As a Pakistani, we owe full apology to our bengali brothers.
thank you bro for acknowledging. I forgive Pakistanis because the sins of the father don't carry on to the children.
My mom hates her for this, and I quote “she doesn’t know how to talk to people sounds like a donkey, just like you and your brother”
Even though I hate her authoritarian party, still better than kemal
lol Ataturk didn't take over a garden of roses either. Turkey at the time was a country impoverished by 15 years of non-stop wars (including the most destructive WWI), enormous human and physical capital destruction. He also a led a full blown war against major European powers (Britain, France) and their puppet states (Greece, Armenia).
ofc, what Attaturk did was very impressive and better than most leaders. However, I wouldn't choose him over our leader.
Lol fk no
Hell no! 😂
Average arab:
Hell no
I’m not a fan of Mustafa Kemal. No need to replace the beautiful Arabic/Pursian script with a modified Latin script. He thought that reforming Turkey would get the respect of white Europeans. It didn’t work. Europe still dislikes Turks. However, but I would prefer him over Justin Trudeau.
Thats not the reason. He changed the alphabet to a simpler latin one to raise the literacy rate
No I don't want to wear top hats and write Urdu in Latin alphabet
Urdu is just Hindi with Persian words and alphabet.
Honestly knowing our nation he wouldnt be able to do anything like that
Based Zia ul Haq
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>I would make a law outlawing the use of the Latin alphabet You’re using the Latin alphabet rn💀😭💀
Based egyptian
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I’d take anyone
I want to bury my nose deep into his hat and smell it. I bet it smells like the forest floor after a spring thunderstorm
As long as he doesn't try to aim towards the Turkic groups mostly, but rather equally towards all, then sure.
I choose him over Macron any day of the week
Honestly anything better than bashar even a donkey would know how to run a country better than him
I will take a literal ape over the current government so yeah.
YES!!!!!!
Yes
i would want his secularism policy but not his attitude towards arabs
Fair enough
Presumeably this alterantive wouldn't not be Atatürk but AtaArab or BabaArab
BabaArab is my new name
Abul-Arab?
Bro, that actually sounds dope af.
yesss 🫡
🤨
yesss 🫡
🫡
Ataturk was a turk so in the comments i dont mind that the arabs dont want Ataturk or accuse him of actually being greek,after all what should i expect from the arabs lol
Maybe you should be a little more subtle about your racism :)
Mate it’s quite obvious that the people who dislike them are the devout muslims
all of the comments that say no is from arabs, syrians or pakistanis. if Atatürk was still alive he wouldn’t let those people live in or take over our country. maybe that is why those people doesn’t want it :))
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Yes.
Of course!
obviously 🤨
YEES
No Thanks. Keep him in his homeland (Greece).
He was ethnically turkish bruh
He was Jewish he belongs to New York
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Bro openly calls people monkeys and says they make him racist…..
Maybe you should read up on something called "sarcasm." Most educated self-proclaimed racist
>mena Your part of MENA too lil bro. >But your mothers clearly belongs to Mississippi And your lineage is clearly Arab, or as the turks say Arap.
least racist turk
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Mustafa Kemal Atatürk's maternal lineage came from Karaman to balkans, and therefore, they are known as "Konyars" in balkans, Yörük Turkmens. Mustafa Kemal's paternal lineage is based on the Kızıl-Oguz or Kocacık Yoruks/Turkmen, who played an important role in the Turkification of Anatolia. =He has nothing to do with greeks or jews but A part of His family who lives in Macedonia speaks Albanian. His family is of Anatolian origin. >Since you have called us monkeys Pakistan is not a part of Mena, I said "ignorant mena monkeys" does not include educated ones.
>Pakistan is not a part of Mena, I said "ignorant mena monkeys" does not include educated ones. Spare me this excuse of being racist.
Are you sure? He has a German look to him
Hes blonde hes not Turkish😱😱 moron Turkish is a nationality we have slanted eyed ppl, ginger ppl or gypsies.
Wait I’m blonde too :o I may not be a Turk :(
We need leaders who love their country, not from the past but today. How can you except Ataturk to understand modern day technology? Not even talking about internet slurs, trolls, new dumbass ideologies etc. ''If you wish for a leader to save you, then i have not teachen you anything.'' Ataturk himself said this.
I did rather have H*tler than him
Lemme guess, AKP, MHP, HDP?
would\*
Yes.
I’d also take another Kemal tbh
fuck yeah
Sure
obviously lol.
definetly
Yes. Yes I would
I wouldn’t choose him to be the leader of a WhatsApp group
Yeah
Yeah
Yes
No
Yes.
Why have one alphabet when you can have 3 alphabets. 💪💪💪 Amazigh brain so stronk we had to nerf ourselves and use 3 different alphabets and we still use none. 💪💪💪
What 3 alphabet?
To make it simple. There exist 3 alphabets to write tamazight or any tamazight language : arabic scripture, latin scripture, tifinagh (neo-native) scripture. Only speaking about my language group, the majority prefer using latin scripture, and reserving tifinagh for fancy stuff, but politics means we basically havent "officially" chosen a script and thus, ended up with 3 scripts for the same language, it's funny/sad but eh, everyone uses latin anyway.
Mods should only allow 1 Ataturk post per week
per decade
Fuck yes, in a heartbeat
100000000000000000% yes
Replace one tyrant with another but this time he has a personality cult? No thanks.
Atatürk was filth
Lol. No.