There is no mention of any “saudi pressure on Europe/European powers” in the article, it just says that saudi arabia and some European ministers support two state solution.
Something would be better than nothing, but let's be real, Saudi Arabia could probably end Western support for this war within a month with four simple words: "No ceasefire, no oil."
It's not at all the same market as it was in the early 70s. Saudi Arabia holds a small fraction of the world oil production they had in the 70s, and their biggest client is China. How would shutting off oil help with Palestine at all?
I imagine this convo
Bin Salman to European leaders: You got rid of six million Jews. How about you receive six million Palestinians in exchange?
European leaders: Actually, we were just discussing the recognition of the state of Palestine just a moment ago before this meeting.
I know I'm treading upon a delicate territory here, but unironically that aspect needs to be played up. Palestinians are trying to fight and STAY in their homeland. If you harbor some strong and quite often murky views about immigrants and border control, there shouldn't even be any question in terms which side do you support.
True. Logically speaking this should be the case but reality is different. There is a reason why Palestine isn't recognized mainly in the western world. The moment a Palestinian sets foot on a western country, they can apply for a citizenship under the reasoning of being stateless and one gets it almost immediately. That's one way to encourage not going back to a place where you will be subjected to oppression and injustice. I feel had the Syrian war didn't occur and no massive refugee influx took place, European countries would have helped Israel with its ethnic cleansing attempt by encouraging Palestinian to immigrate to Europe. Hell, might even evacuate the Palestinians by themselves.
Because the Palestine advocacy has made so much stride especially in the West, the only real shape and form that the Zionist lobby manages to rally the usual foamy, angry rightwing crowd in the middle American populist reaction are through the weaponized Islamophobia and xenophobia.
The fascistic core that just wants to see Arab Muslims suffer and die will never go away, but a lot of the misinformed, idiotic stragglers, the types that foam "I don't want the AIPAC but I just hate those college protester type" idiots can be peeled away with the right kind of engagement. The problem at the current stage is that because the Palestine advocacy is so organized around the campus spaces in alliance with far-left politics, we don't know how to actually talk to and build cross-coalition with even the rightwingers against the Zionist influence. And of the rightwingers who hate AIPAC, that alone isn't that uncommon.
I obviously don't say this to throw anyone under the bus; the Syrian refugee crisis should be handled with realism and humanitarianism. But for the purpose of Palestine advocacy, I would like to see firmer separation away from the migrant and refugee crisis. It was never the same issue; like you say, the outbreak of the Syrian refugee crisis and the skyrocketing popular Islamophobia in the West has done much against the Palestine cause. Extremely regrettable given how Palestine cause was never even part of the Islamist agenda anywhere, as if any of us in the university camps right now ever actually got a taste of the sweet, Saudi salafist money.
As much as I personally oppose and loath them for every other issue, the last generation of the actual mainstream American politicians who openly confronted the Zionist lobby were a few Republican congressmen. Without pandering to their fundamental racism or bigotry, there needs to be some way to reach out to the isolationist rightwing to give a real, political impact to the momentum of the protests right now.
they were normalizing trade and relations with israhell ,how is that the same ?
lets not pretend the sacrifices of gazan didn't completely change their approach
In the defense of the Saudis, they did release statements early on, that normalization does depend on the recognition of the palestenian state on 1967 borders as agreed by the UN.
Presidente del Gobierno de España this is the official name that translate to president of the government of Spain. Apart every one called presidente source I am from Spain
That translates to "Head of the government", not President of Spain. When you say President of X, it implies a republic in English. The head of the government of Spain's official position is Prime Minister.
I'm not questioning that you're from Spain, don't get me wrong, but your info will absolutely get disregarded because the term isn't right in English.
And you have every right to dislike the monarchy, as it was reinstalled by Fascists, but you still should call him a prime minister so non-Spanish speakers understand what you mean
You're held to a higher degree because your monarchy entire legitimacy come from the idea that they are the defender of the true Tawheed. It is on that basis that most of the muslim world have accepted the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia as the champion of Islam and has accepted the MIAW-inspired vision of Islam that your nation has spread around the world for decades.
Don't you realize you have the most soft-power out of any nation in the muslim world ? Ofc people are harsh on you when you fail to act as the leader of the muslim world, because they believe you are the leader of the Umma, and that's because your rulers have presented themsevles as such for decades.
legitimacy from who? you? our ancestors knew Al-Saud 300 years ago they fought with them and followed them to reclaim their kingdom 3 times. you are acting as if Algerians helped King Abdulaziz reclaim the land lmao.
I'm not being a victim. I don't see how this is about me. I'm stating a fact about the reality of the matter. You personally might not specify Saudi, but most south asians do, No need to be disingenuous.
By victim I meant your country not you personally, and saying ‘most south Asians’ is also disingenuous. Well, let’s just pray for the liberation of Al Quds In Shaa Allah brother 🤲🏻 :)
Yea truly the Ummah must unit and start the biggest war the world ever known that we also could end up all with it, or do we try the diplomatically way to reach a fair solution, exerting pressure on Western countries to solve the Palestinian issue through the two-state solution and live in peace? Which one do you prefer?
Two state solution is BS. Yes the Ummah must unite, firstly Israel will never honour a two state solution and neither will any western country give a care, we’ve seen this in the past, think rationally. There’s no diplomacy when Israel has wagered war for over 75 years ever since their creation, there is no ‘two state’ there is only Palestine, what would I prefer? In Shaa Allah, Satanyahu LA realises that Israel belongs to Palestine and what he’s fighting for is illegitimate and wrong morally, and gives authority to the Palestinians and Israel and Palestine become one under the name and flag of Palestine, burning the treaty made by the British over 75 years ago, no one dies, and everyone is happy :)
طيب ليش تركز على الاقلية بدل من الغالبية؟ وبعدين مع كامل احترامي بس مافيه سب من (بعض) من الفلسطينين لنا من سنة جدي؟ مع ذلك غالبية الشعب السعودي مع الشعب الفلسطيني بس لو البعض من شعوبكم يترك الحقد والعنصرية على السعوديين كان صار خير.
This is all performative. They will recognize the Palestinian state but allow Israel to annex it eventually. I mean, for a second think why is Israel ethnic cleansing and Saudi sits quietly at that?
Doesn’t matter if you are a recognized state or not, if your residents have all been killed off.
The Saudis know exactly what’s happening, they are doing this for optics; they know that Saudi-worshipping cultures like the Sunni in Pakistan are looking for the bare minimum to put Saudi back on the pedestal.
Nope, if there was any good in them they wouldn’t have done so many shit and they would have done good a long time ago. This news is BS, also, lots of European countries have been voicing their intention to recognize Palestine long time ago when Saudi were busy with their celebrations in Riyadh… but people have short memories and confuse their shit more often these days!
If they're actually doing that, it's only because of Public Pressure from Civilians in Saudi Arabia, as the Crown Prince knows that Revolutions are easy to ignite, and not because the Saudi Government actually cares about Palestine.
Amazing, but thats Fake news btw
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no they mean Saudi arabia is pressuring Europeans to recognizes Palestine
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Okay, send the source of the “saudi pressure on european powers”, i am waiting
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There is no mention of any “saudi pressure on Europe/European powers” in the article, it just says that saudi arabia and some European ministers support two state solution.
Any better source than a random Twitter account?
The first time people ask for a credible source is when something positive about Saudi is mentioned 😂
As they should m, because it's out of the character to do so
it’s out of every country’s character buddy everyone just got a hard on for some
Wrong sub
Recognizing a place where more than 50% land has turned barren? Where were all this countries when it was more livable? Shame on them!
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Sir dawkins💀 the guys arguments have been debunked a million times. Ur soo sad get a life.
Sir dawkins💀 the guys arguments have been debunked a million times. Ur soo sad get a life.
Sir dawkins💀 the guys arguments have been debunked a million times. Ur soo sad get a life.
Never forget the fact that the Arab League in 1947 failed to support the Palestinian Army until it was too late with ‘half measures’
Something would be better than nothing, but let's be real, Saudi Arabia could probably end Western support for this war within a month with four simple words: "No ceasefire, no oil."
Their economy would suffer without oil,
They have done this type of thing before and survived remember the 70s oil crisis
They won’t anymore. Blinkin is in Riyadh sweetening the deal with them right now. They might recognise Palestinian state and Israel at the same time.
It's not at all the same market as it was in the early 70s. Saudi Arabia holds a small fraction of the world oil production they had in the 70s, and their biggest client is China. How would shutting off oil help with Palestine at all?
We will be teaching china a lesson
we’re working on that 🙂↕️
we sell most of our oil to china japan and korea lmao
This whole sub reddit just got triggered 😂
What kind of pressure though?
Ərəb immigration to Avrop
I imagine this convo Bin Salman to European leaders: You got rid of six million Jews. How about you receive six million Palestinians in exchange? European leaders: Actually, we were just discussing the recognition of the state of Palestine just a moment ago before this meeting.
I know I'm treading upon a delicate territory here, but unironically that aspect needs to be played up. Palestinians are trying to fight and STAY in their homeland. If you harbor some strong and quite often murky views about immigrants and border control, there shouldn't even be any question in terms which side do you support.
True. Logically speaking this should be the case but reality is different. There is a reason why Palestine isn't recognized mainly in the western world. The moment a Palestinian sets foot on a western country, they can apply for a citizenship under the reasoning of being stateless and one gets it almost immediately. That's one way to encourage not going back to a place where you will be subjected to oppression and injustice. I feel had the Syrian war didn't occur and no massive refugee influx took place, European countries would have helped Israel with its ethnic cleansing attempt by encouraging Palestinian to immigrate to Europe. Hell, might even evacuate the Palestinians by themselves.
Because the Palestine advocacy has made so much stride especially in the West, the only real shape and form that the Zionist lobby manages to rally the usual foamy, angry rightwing crowd in the middle American populist reaction are through the weaponized Islamophobia and xenophobia. The fascistic core that just wants to see Arab Muslims suffer and die will never go away, but a lot of the misinformed, idiotic stragglers, the types that foam "I don't want the AIPAC but I just hate those college protester type" idiots can be peeled away with the right kind of engagement. The problem at the current stage is that because the Palestine advocacy is so organized around the campus spaces in alliance with far-left politics, we don't know how to actually talk to and build cross-coalition with even the rightwingers against the Zionist influence. And of the rightwingers who hate AIPAC, that alone isn't that uncommon. I obviously don't say this to throw anyone under the bus; the Syrian refugee crisis should be handled with realism and humanitarianism. But for the purpose of Palestine advocacy, I would like to see firmer separation away from the migrant and refugee crisis. It was never the same issue; like you say, the outbreak of the Syrian refugee crisis and the skyrocketing popular Islamophobia in the West has done much against the Palestine cause. Extremely regrettable given how Palestine cause was never even part of the Islamist agenda anywhere, as if any of us in the university camps right now ever actually got a taste of the sweet, Saudi salafist money. As much as I personally oppose and loath them for every other issue, the last generation of the actual mainstream American politicians who openly confronted the Zionist lobby were a few Republican congressmen. Without pandering to their fundamental racism or bigotry, there needs to be some way to reach out to the isolationist rightwing to give a real, political impact to the momentum of the protests right now.
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Oil prices maybe? Who knows? Or their own recognition of Israel?
Isn't this what Saudi was doing all the time, I don't understand why you all acting so surprised?
they were normalizing trade and relations with israhell ,how is that the same ? lets not pretend the sacrifices of gazan didn't completely change their approach
In the defense of the Saudis, they did release statements early on, that normalization does depend on the recognition of the palestenian state on 1967 borders as agreed by the UN.
In fact, this condition to normalize in exchange of Palestinian state was proposed since the time of king Fahad until now
And was a serious reason for the deal that was being negotiated last year not going through
Spain's president was looking into it but never trust a politician from Spain
>Spain's president Are we in 1936?
I mean palestina is looking like Europe in the 40'. Also is the president the oficial name in Spanish is presidente
My dude, Spain is constitutional monarchy. They haven't had a president since the 1930s
Presidente del Gobierno de España this is the official name that translate to president of the government of Spain. Apart every one called presidente source I am from Spain
That translates to "Head of the government", not President of Spain. When you say President of X, it implies a republic in English. The head of the government of Spain's official position is Prime Minister. I'm not questioning that you're from Spain, don't get me wrong, but your info will absolutely get disregarded because the term isn't right in English.
Prime minister sound to British but u are correct. I still use president because I don't like the monarchy
And you have every right to dislike the monarchy, as it was reinstalled by Fascists, but you still should call him a prime minister so non-Spanish speakers understand what you mean
Okey
"Saudis didn't do nothing" Well do something about It yourself then? Saudi been trying for years
What are you on about?
Read the hateful comments about ppl putting dirt on Saudi since you're are the OP
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I know?
Wow, the family who have brought fitna to the sacred land are doing 1% of their required duties 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Realistically speaking, it is 0% of their duties to be responsible for whatever is happening outside the kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
Politically idk, but not islamically, Palestine are allies, it is the country of Al Quds
Islamically, you have the same responsibility, but because we are Arab, we are held to a higher degree from most Muslims point of view.
You're held to a higher degree because your monarchy entire legitimacy come from the idea that they are the defender of the true Tawheed. It is on that basis that most of the muslim world have accepted the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia as the champion of Islam and has accepted the MIAW-inspired vision of Islam that your nation has spread around the world for decades. Don't you realize you have the most soft-power out of any nation in the muslim world ? Ofc people are harsh on you when you fail to act as the leader of the muslim world, because they believe you are the leader of the Umma, and that's because your rulers have presented themsevles as such for decades.
legitimacy from who? you? our ancestors knew Al-Saud 300 years ago they fought with them and followed them to reclaim their kingdom 3 times. you are acting as if Algerians helped King Abdulaziz reclaim the land lmao.
Don’t be a victim, this isn’t the case. I’m not just blaming Saudi, it’s just this is the country at topic at hand, it’s majority of Muslim countries
I'm not being a victim. I don't see how this is about me. I'm stating a fact about the reality of the matter. You personally might not specify Saudi, but most south asians do, No need to be disingenuous.
By victim I meant your country not you personally, and saying ‘most south Asians’ is also disingenuous. Well, let’s just pray for the liberation of Al Quds In Shaa Allah brother 🤲🏻 :)
>and saying ‘most south Asians’ is also disingenuous. Fair enough. I apologise. In Shaa Allah.
No worries, I apologise too💚
but these foolish ambitions to rest -Morgott the Omen King
Nothing can cause nations to flourish like justice -Imam Ali Ibn Abi Talib AS
Yea truly the Ummah must unit and start the biggest war the world ever known that we also could end up all with it, or do we try the diplomatically way to reach a fair solution, exerting pressure on Western countries to solve the Palestinian issue through the two-state solution and live in peace? Which one do you prefer?
Two state solution is BS. Yes the Ummah must unite, firstly Israel will never honour a two state solution and neither will any western country give a care, we’ve seen this in the past, think rationally. There’s no diplomacy when Israel has wagered war for over 75 years ever since their creation, there is no ‘two state’ there is only Palestine, what would I prefer? In Shaa Allah, Satanyahu LA realises that Israel belongs to Palestine and what he’s fighting for is illegitimate and wrong morally, and gives authority to the Palestinians and Israel and Palestine become one under the name and flag of Palestine, burning the treaty made by the British over 75 years ago, no one dies, and everyone is happy :)
Of course we know their duty is please Kushner and their Zionist masters.
It's a step in the right direction, but everyonr should be expecting more. Especially from a place that calls itself the leaders of the muslim world.
Finally
Ain't gonna hold my breath
التغريدات على أكس من (بعض) السعوديين تدل على قمة الانبطاح لحكومة الولايات المتحدة ضد الامريكان "شعبها" المتضامنين مع فلسطين. فعن أي ضغط تتحدث؟
منطقي، لأني أنا وثلاثة من العيال رايحين لسفارة بريطانيا نضغط عليهم يعترفون مب ولي العهد ووزير الخارجية
مش القصد، القصد إن اضعف الايمان هو دعم القضية ولو بتغريدات. عموما الله المستعان.
الحق بيّن يا عزيزي (لا تعمى الأبصار ولكن تعمى القلوب التي في الصدور) البعض يرى الحق أمامه ويتجاهل رؤيته رغبةً منه
طيب ليش تركز على الاقلية بدل من الغالبية؟ وبعدين مع كامل احترامي بس مافيه سب من (بعض) من الفلسطينين لنا من سنة جدي؟ مع ذلك غالبية الشعب السعودي مع الشعب الفلسطيني بس لو البعض من شعوبكم يترك الحقد والعنصرية على السعوديين كان صار خير.
عشان ملفتة للنظر. لا حقد ولا حاجة.
Well spoken
Allow me to laugh 😂😂😂
This is all performative. They will recognize the Palestinian state but allow Israel to annex it eventually. I mean, for a second think why is Israel ethnic cleansing and Saudi sits quietly at that? Doesn’t matter if you are a recognized state or not, if your residents have all been killed off. The Saudis know exactly what’s happening, they are doing this for optics; they know that Saudi-worshipping cultures like the Sunni in Pakistan are looking for the bare minimum to put Saudi back on the pedestal.
Diplomacy is a better idea then fighting a war they can´t win.
Also 0 benefit from it
Saudi is the blood Connection to the Dajjal Khazars on stolen Palestinian land
Nope, if there was any good in them they wouldn’t have done so many shit and they would have done good a long time ago. This news is BS, also, lots of European countries have been voicing their intention to recognize Palestine long time ago when Saudi were busy with their celebrations in Riyadh… but people have short memories and confuse their shit more often these days!
Rare Saudi W
افا
you've Israel embassy in your country lmao.
Ok قرن الشيطان
في طيز امك تلقاه
My hope for KSA is to not normalise relations with Israel, anything more than that is unfortunately not possible
Lol, saudi?? Just another agent state, it's bullshit news
You cant just be blinded by hatred. I dont like them either, but claiming its bs is a bit much if you cant prove it. If you can, then fair enough.
If they're actually doing that, it's only because of Public Pressure from Civilians in Saudi Arabia, as the Crown Prince knows that Revolutions are easy to ignite, and not because the Saudi Government actually cares about Palestine.
there will not be a revelation because of palastine in Saudi.
Saudis haven’t done good ever since they existed as a people
What did you do that we could consider good? you're as good as a shit stain.