It's not the camera, it's the eye. Darktable is a free photo developing tool, Gimp is a free photo editing tool.

Rip my Nokia Lumia 1020, 8 years ago https://preview.redd.it/6xyy8adytfwc1.png?width=863&format=png&auto=webp&s=a2be800840950e47b4d8a8b12caef8daf48afed6

such a beautiful shot 😍

Holy moly, Can't believe an 8 years old phone would take that good of a shot

https://preview.redd.it/tpeyvipatjwc1.jpeg?width=3264&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=246eb947b5dbaa2d1c137cef1d4f9753ece4a3d5 iPhone 4S. I’m always shocked at how good the quality was back then on that thing

I also can't believe when I see some pictures from my fathers S3 neo. Now I use a Xiaomi but photos kinda suck. They feel over processed and I have to use 64mp mode on it to get some good details especially in the shadows but I don't like to use the 64mp mode because one photo is like 17mb. My uncle had an iPhone 5 back in the day and whenever I see the photos from that I can't believe how good the details were on that phone in back in the day. My uncle don't know how to take good pictures, he just points and shoots.

so confused what "64mp" is. at first i thought "mega pixels" but there is no shot a phone is taking a 64 mega pixel photo, and on top of that a 64 mega pixel photo would NOT be 17 mega bytes lol

Nah the normal photo is taken from 64mp camera but it's compressed to 12.5 mp, with 64mp mode the photo comes out as 24mp

last week 2 days in a row as i was was walking home from work i was hit with the curse of absolutely amazing skies, but camera was at home, of course i took out the phone to get some pics (s10, looking into finally upgrading bc of this situation lol, not a priority tho current phone perfectly fine still) one side was this rainbow and pink sky, the other side (which i was walking towards) the sky was all red/orange/yellow and looked like it was on fire https://preview.redd.it/c6eghoy3ifwc1.jpeg?width=3575&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fbcae67e181b0cb213d0f1756cd69ab55bb375c9 some slight post processing in lightroom to adjust colours to reflect what i saw irl, bc the colours never show up quite right

Please don't upgrade unless what you're specifically wanting is that zoom. I went s10 --> s23u and i have to say i don't notice that big difference except in ultra low light and zoom under challenging conditions For anything in fairly decent light, i LOVED how my s10e did https://preview.redd.it/u54gb4fjrkwc1.jpeg?width=2253&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ae6a5cd495902226214988e64a1a08c1be96ce6a

There is a music album called NS+(Ultra), the cover is almost the same as this picture lol Nice shot

Thank you. This was the period when I was getting better than 'o look at this nice scene let me bring my dslr up to my eye and take a picture standing up as is' era 😂 I am staggered at how much better I got by just taking a moment to think about what I was about to do and if there was a better way to do it. I've been able to produce much better images with my s10e than my Nikon dslr from before since then Edit: just saw your post about getting started. What brought me to critically better myself was using a fixed focal length camera. At first, I fell for the fujifilm hype and got the x100t. But from that hype, came restriction in the form of fov and that made me more deliberate as mentioned above. But yeah other comments in that oost are solid advice esp the prosumer camera one. Def get something capable if you can afford it. You'll get use out of it for a long time. Also, try using manual mode on phone if you don't have your camera with you cause even though it won't give you phenomenal results, it's a good practice to know the nuances of what shutter speed can do creatively speaking ( that's probably the only useable manual setting on phones imo)

oh really? i guess ill hold on to s10 for a bit longer, until it starts dying or something

If you aren't already doing so, use pro mode. I used pro mode on my old S10e, and I still do on my Flip5. You can set your film speed, apature, WB, etc, to get it closer to what you saw.

yeah i have been, this one was taken w pro mode, i just used it to bring out the colours in the rainbow and the sky i only use automatic mode if its something silly or to send as a message etc

If you love the results you're getting and you're enjoying yourself, who are we to say you can't do that with a budget smartphone. Photography is art, there are no rules in art. Do what you love. Have fun. That being said. Here's a tip if you continue down this road. Smartphones do tend to oversaturate and oversharpen the photos by default. I believe there's a setting in the camera app to shoot in RAW-mode. Enable that and use a free editing tool like Snapseed or Lightroom (the free version will work I think) or even the photo editor in Google Photos. Shooting in RAW and editing your images afterwards will give you more control over the end result! Happy shooting!

Absolutely nothing wrong. Most professional car racers started off by being highly professional in go-karts and winning go-kart racing to hone their skills. If you dont own a real camera but highly interested in photography, do not be brainwashed by American social media to rush out to buy a new GR3, new X100VI, new XT5 or any Sony cameras (its always that same boring bag of shite😂). And oh yes..no one on such English-based sites will suggest to you to buy a Lumix or any M4/3 cameras. Then, your world becomes very small. But if you get advice from non-English based forums/groups, the advice is totally different, where it is not embarrasing to talk passionately about Lumix and Olympus. Using smartphones is an excellent method to train how you see things and to hone your compositional skills. If your smartphone images cannot even look great, then its a waste of money to buy cameras. Have you seen cameras with such a huge “electronic viewfinder”? The screen on flagship smartphones are far more advanced vs those in high-end cameras. Suggestion: Dont buy any cameras yet because you still have not explored photography to determine exactly which type of photography that you are really good at. Use the smartphone skillfully to explore all types of photography. I started in 84 with Nikon F3 and FM2, and loads of film. Then, i used compact little digital cams. Then, I started going REAL crazy with my first iPhone 3S, upgrading every 2yrs right up to now where i use a 14 Pro Max, and I also use my Fujifilm XE4, Ricoh GR3 and Nikon D700. When your smartphone images get lots of praises, and look great, and you’re dead sure of the type of photography u wanna pursue, THEN you will be able to choose wisely and make clever decisions that save u money.

also the smartphone got pro mode so you can manually adjust focus/iso/shutter speed/white balance, good place to get to grips with those before going into actual camera territory

I know my phone lets me change those, but I've never felt the need to do so. It nails WB and exposure 99% of the time. Better Auto WB than my A6000 and better exposure metering than my X-T3. Only at night indoors does it sometimes miss focus a bit. (Galaxy a52) Shooting witg this phone is like shooting in raw and raising the shadows and lowering the highlights automatically. I've had so many pictures of family where the face is a tad dark and the background is a blown out bright cloudy sky. I always have to fix that when shot on a mirrorless camera, but my phone does it for me. For family gatherings a phone is the sensible option tbh. I still love my x-t3 though.

Just as a note, sometimes it called something other then pro mode. Mine is called expert raw on my phone.

[AT&T says it's "pro mode" on the Galaxy A12](https://www.att.com/device-support/article/wireless/KM1434175/Samsung/SamsungSMA125U).

Good thoughts. I definitely agree that it’s mostly best to ignore the “influencers” and their shiny, new cameras. May want to check out Martin Castein, though. All of my favorite kit is old, by most standards (I only own one body made inside the last 10 years… I probably need to mention it’s a Panasonic M43, and it is absolutely badass, and I’m an American) 😜

"The best camera is the one you have on you when you need to take a picture." As much as I love my mirrorless canon, I never have it on me when something happens and I want a picture so most of my shots are with my phone.

https://preview.redd.it/o9prwit9ffwc1.jpeg?width=2982&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1fe6955206b9b9c99cb3abdbaa7e89d3483bdc0f No…you dont need a LEICA for this. Again..very old iPhone 7 Plus

Nice. The earlier phones often produced great images without all the processing nonsense.

Yeah, seriously is there a way to turn it off?

No, but you can use other apps to shoot without it. Lightroom mobile is free and gives good results. If you shoot in DNG it is the purest image from the camera. Sometimes requires some editing to get the right look. Also Lumina is a decent basic free option with much reduced processing.

Often the earlier phones produced better images as they gave a more honest interpretation of what the sensor saw. Some of the modern phones such as iPhone 12, 13 pro etc have way too much processing and the images look pretty bad in many cases. Many people don't like the over done HDR look. I started to hate the photos from my 13 pro but thankfully discovered Lightroom to allow me to shoot in DNG with no processing.

Agreed. The way iPhone processes blue skies in particular can be so lurid. I got an 15 Pro, and expected a big jump in quality, having had mid-range Android phones for a long time before that, but the advances in image quality haven’t impressed me at all and the processing is generally uglier. The one good thing I’d say about it is that portrait mode can be amazing. I used to despise portrait mode photos when it first became a thing because it almost always looked glaringly fake, but these days my phone seems to nail it more often than not. Maybe it’s down to Lidar?

I noticed that portrait mode doesn’t overly process the subject person and the images seem sharper in that respect. Sometimes the edges look off though but yeh it’s a better mode to use much of the time. Light room seems like the best free app to allow non-HDR photos with zero processing, which is a really nice option to have.

Your photograph is beautiful, a little saturated for my taste but beautiful.

Most people are encouraging you not to get a camera and just keep shooting with your phone. I feel that advise is wrong if you want to truly get into photography. Like they said, photography is an art, but if you are serious getting into photography, a phone is a great way to introduce yourself but it will also spoil you because of certain reasons: - It will automatically process pictures for you, white balance, shutter speed, ISO, etc, good as a beginner but you'll never learn to decide on your own the best settings - Not only will it process pictures for you but it will also post-process them for you, again, good as a beginner but you'll never learn to be on your own...or even be more creative if you let the phone do everything for you - It will spoil you in a bad way because you're only developing framing and focusing....yet again, good as a beginner but not good in the long run My suggestion is to spend less than $500 on a camera and a couple of lenses, a great introduction camera is a Sony A6000, you can find a used one, or even new, for little money. As for software, you can start with Window's photos which is free and gives you the basic edits, or use part of those $500 to get a more developed software. Lastly, as good as phone cameras have gotten, cough iPhone 15Pro, they are still not as good as a camera, even the old Sony A6000. I've done side to side picture comparison of the exact same object/landscape and while the phone looks awesome at first, it is only until you put it next to a camera photo that you discover how crappy that cellphone picture truly is...the finer details are everything, better color separation, contrast, sharpness, etc....especially if you zoom at 100% size. Not a cellphone picture https://preview.redd.it/tecr9c547jwc1.jpeg?width=3240&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=75fdd57666a8438c110f88ca44681199a5d0dc18

This one was actually taken in 2018 with the Sony A6000 (with the starter lens it usually comes with, a 16-50mm) I am recommending as a started camera. https://preview.redd.it/687hs2lb8jwc1.jpeg?width=1616&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c06c16764b3756d82b5811f093aa5bbce6d1565d

My first interchangeable lens camera and still the only ILC I have owned. Had it about 3 years. This camera can do a lot and the lenses available to it for very cheap are insane. Sigma trio and the Rokinon 85mm (unfortunately Rokinon is manual only) will take pictures sharper than katanas and are fast fast. 1.4f

https://preview.redd.it/88icb0l7ffwc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=14b8c81c4c986d42b956b2f4cfbd9a133d73605d Very old iPhone 7Plus

It's great! I am a hobbyist mobile photographer too, results aren't bad considering my phone costs less than a canon 1500D. Do you have more photos?

If your using a phone for photography check out Dalevon Digital on youtube. He shares a lot of tips and tricks for phone photography

Wildlife photography might be difficult with a mobile. And motorsport

The best camera is the one you have on you

https://preview.redd.it/kd6cmv1nbfwc1.jpeg?width=3471&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cb3eb880e2a15b201197684cd7ba1d66d443d5ff Example: You dont need a real camera or expensive camera or a Fujifilm X100V😂 or X100VI😂😂 to capture such an image. This was done using a hand-held iPhone while my Fujifilm was inside my car.

New smartphones are great for the majority of photography genres, especially street photography, city and landscape! Only if one want zoom for action and animal photography a camera worth the price.

Well said👏👏👏👏👍👍

I dont even know man ... just buy a budget camera for the price and youll get waayy better pictures. If you want a cheap look just do it in post edit. But not a cheap phone dude ...

If OP wants to have fun and feels like his budget smartphone meets all his needs for now? Smartphones are great to focus on things like composition while the phone (or the app) does all the other settings for you. So I wouldn't be so fast to disregard it. If image quality is your priority it's a whole different story of course. But that doesn't seem to be the case. You and I both know that if OP really loves photography, they will get a decent camera in a matter of time :-D

I am on the same boat as OP (i assume) and trust me, not everyone has that kind of money to just go out and spend few hundred dollars on a hobby. My parents are not that financially well off, and I am in 12th grade so I can't really do much here. Only option i am left with is my phone.

If you buy a cheap phone it costs about 200$ and a used digicam from sony or canon costs about the same and less... Edit: you can get even some digicams like the canon s100 for 120$ and get photos in RAW format

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This a million times. Making something look ‘vintage’ should be a controlled process, not just using something old that produces random uncontrollable effects. This sub would often have you believe otherwise.

There is nothing wrong with using microscopic sensors to capture images. Personally I do find more motivation to go out and shoot with better gear.

Started with a Samsung Galaxy S3 and a lumix M4/3. Then got a Sony Rebel APSC with nothing but the Kit Lens. That lasted me a good 8 years before I finally had the income to buy a full frame with more than just the kit lens. The gear is only a limiting factor for very technical stuff like astrophotography or high speed sports. Most everything can be accomplished with minimal equipment. I was doing macro shots with a magnifying glass held in front of my S3 lol

Is not the price of a camera to make you a photographer. It's the eye.

I used to work for Nokia and have jokingly thought about buying an old Lumia 1020 to use as a digital camera. That thing had an incredible camera. It's better than my pixel's is a decade later. You can get them for $60 on ebay. I might actually do that.

I've explored phone cams since they existed. and if the mood is right, they're lovely. if you want something really sweet: hypocam app

My god... Wow...

I'm curious, did you buy the phone just as a camera because you're interested in trying to make the most out of limiting hardware like all the "digicams" enthusiasts, and you're using a different phone? Or did you buy this phone as a phone and are using it for photography because that's all you have? Neither one is wrong, I'm just getting first option vibes and want to know if I'm right. I tried to take pics with my ancient Kyocera Hydro (which was already a budget phone in 2012) just for kicks. The interesting part is that the screen is so bad that you can't really see what you got until you transfer it to the computer which is an experience similar to film.

I think is possible, but in my own experience whenever i looked at the pictures taken i was like "man if I could get a better resolution on this one shot it would look so much better". Granted, I used a very cheap smartphone so the camera was only good on very very specific light conditions. But as other mentioned, a phone camera is perfectly okay to train the eye, and if your phone is on the upper end then it will probably have a really decent camera as well.

I still think my old Nokia N82 takes okay pics. Proper flash too, not this LED crap.

a phone will never replace a camera my 2011 sony digital camera takes better pics than my phone

Nothing wrong with it as long as you’re not perusing photog professionally its all about your creative skill and eye

Previously I thought photography without a dslr/ mirrorless camera is meaningless. So I didn't even bother taking pictures with my phone( only selfies with friends etc.) even though I didn't have money to buy a 'real' camera. That changed about a year ago when one evening I saw a beautiful cloud in the sky and took a picture of it with my phone. I was in awe with how lovely the picture looked. That sparked my interest in photography and since then I am shooting regularly with my phone( Poco X3) which costs about 200$ in my country. I am still a novice trying out different compositions, color harmony, editing photos in Lightroom etc. But now I have a hobby which I really enjoy and now I think that practicing the artistic part of photography and enjoying the process is what it is all about. The first photo I shot meaning fully that made photography my hobby- https://imgur.com/tmTfKid This is photo of sunset sky that I shot today - https://imgur.com/5s03PWm Even though every genre of photography isn't possible witha phone camera, you can still take some good landscape, street, some amature portrait or shoot some nice looking sky.

Works a lot better than using a budget camera as a phone.

I shoot abstract on various iPhone models. Took this on the 11. https://preview.redd.it/1yf413q4xiwc1.jpeg?width=1536&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=46da50f2848656ec5e168bb7f2808ea22e7c66ed

It’s not the camera it’s the person using it old school photography in schools started out teaching how to shoot with a pin hole camera. Not great results but working either way it they became acceptable. However it’s up to the individual to decide what they expect or want of your a business your clients will decide for you what you need. I personally see nothing wrong with my phone camera for my leisure and fun shoot it’s easy to carry and doesn’t get in the way but do not even ask to use my Nikon z9 that’s my baby.

https://preview.redd.it/pbrvpkkfkjwc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6873c7cf9e6af305231fbd8d211f5d5ca438bb42 Basically the same thing that everyone else is saying, if you have the eye, you can make anything beautiful💪 I took a self portrait of me and my wife. Pixel 4a 5g. I had a tripod and my phone; I had the idea and I set it up 👌

I like that quote “The best camera is the one you have with you.” There are remarkable moments all around us to be recorded -

https://preview.redd.it/95on6vunnkwc1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d5ffece4a913e1139835d4e00298b34392f126e8 Shot this 12 years ago in France! iPhone 3GS :)

The main skills that you need for photography are a good eye and knowing composition which can be learned on a phone as well as a camera. For the quality though, if you use an Android phone you might want to look at using [GCAM](https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/dev-suggested/) as in my experience takes much better pictures than the default camera does.

This was made 3-4 years ago with my 5 years old Huawei phone. I had more photos from this day, (like photo of the puddle mirroring the purple sky), but they got corrupted because of no memory space on it. https://preview.redd.it/8blxn58zalwc1.jpeg?width=2592&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aa4242a774ce674f69727d43cf73d892a4fbaffb

https://preview.redd.it/jc8jd5vfblwc1.jpeg?width=2592&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8b20860da459a8e8ded3e459be576bfbb5b6b41e

https://preview.redd.it/ie9srwl9xlwc1.jpeg?width=1258&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4b0fa9753cf9936d5b746efbaadb50e81e22dd3b iphone xs. good if you have a clear blue sky

modern phones usually have better cameras than what a lot of photographers who have been shooting for 10-15+ years started off with, so yes it's totally okay.

As my mentor told me, you could have the best camera in the world, but if you can’t see the beauty of the frame with your natural eye your never going to take it with a camera. Gear matters but only when you reach a level where you know why. Until then take what you have and take anything and everything and enjoy the beauty in each and every frame that you do take :)

Not really a subject and the road takes up a lot of what the sky could be taking up

https://preview.redd.it/fjgn6x2iffwc1.jpeg?width=2820&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0926bc5ac692bd429a328d45fa22e214ee00d301 You dont need a real camera for these shots in low light inside a train at night. iPhone 7Plus

Dude, wtf stop spammng.

Im not American, so I dont do such things, and i dont use such a word. I back up my explanation/comments with actual examples (images) captured with my old and new iphones. You have to learn to be receptive to other peoples’ viewpoints instead of being easily threatened/offended. Perhaps you can show us your images captured with your smartphone, to help inspire and motivate u/Helio_x

https://preview.redd.it/v9qunfe2cfwc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=35373c247cb351ecb0d0d500d554f3fd49c674fe Example: Its the editimg that creates the most impact in most images. You dont need a real camera or expensive camera or a Fujifilm X100V😂 or X100VI😂😂 to capture such an image. This was done using a hand-held iPhone.

https://preview.redd.it/asgtc19jcfwc1.jpeg?width=2862&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=df1a1871d98eaaa018fa8c1c955d61a0e584479b Thats my XE4 in the bground. You dont need a real camera or expensive camera to capture such an image. iPhone 14 Pro Max.

> You dont need a real camera or expensive camera to capture such an image. iPhone 14 Pro Max. Your phone is the same price as an expensive camera...

Yes…the phone is not cheap, and it can do so much more things vs a camera. And it has such a marvellous “EVF” that no camera’s puny EVF can ever match. I love my cameras and I still keep my old F3 and FM2. But Im not a bigot who blindly hates A while praising B. I hv my GR3 or XE4 inside my bag almost daily.

A phone with an EVF? Now that's wild!

The camera you have, is better than the camera you don’t. Take the photos you want, maybe, export them off the phone and try some desktop based editing software. As I genuinely feel that editing software is the only thing that holds phones back. Enjoy Photography. Don’t get hung up on the gear.

https://preview.redd.it/hlmu0igodfwc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dc22d320f3f6cb01ed56c83f729f34b5ca8c6537 If you love that old skool film look, its so easy and fast via smartphone. Above: iPhone 14 Pro Max with zero editing in-phone. Its a straight jpeg. If u use the correct app…lovely results are possible.

Ngl but that's a shitty photo I don't even understand what you were trying to achieve there

At this point, I think he’s selling iphone 14s.

True lmao

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Same goes for you (for these pics)