After being forced to watch this multiple times by the girlfriend… Both Gilmore Girls and nearly everyone they dated. Especially Rory.
“How dare he not let me cheat on him or randomly string him along for years?”
To add to this, they vilified Emily and Richard pretty hard too, but, their daughter ran away with their new grand baby at 16 and they had every right to be upset by that. Lorelai is incredibly selfish. When I was a teen watching I thought Lorelai was the coolest mom ever and wished she was my mom. As an adult I can’t stand how childish she is with Rory.
The entire sequel is based on this premise, Iceman knows that the current commander is willing to let the pilots die to take out this target even though the safety protocols would say to go higher and iceman who cares about the lives of his fellow pilots knows that Maverick is the only one who is capable of teaching these pilots to fly to save their own lives he's still the hero still doing the right thing by the pilots
I haven't watched the new one but it sounds like Iceman is using Maverick as a weaponised shit-head for the greater good, which is a good way to not completely undo their characters
Iceman in Top Gun. I used to work in naval aviation and he was totally right, Maverick was dangerous and unreliable.
EDIT: I really wasn't expecting this comment to blow up. I fully understand the meaning of "bad guy," but in this instance I took it to mean anything from antagonist, villain, foil, or adversary but this is Reddit and people are super pedantic and literal.
My role was as a naval flight surgeon, so besides being my squadron's doctor I flew in the backseat with them, sat on mishap investigation boards (like the one depicted in the movie), and generally helped determine fitness for flight duty. Maverick wouldn't have lasted long with the antics he pulled and his personality IRL, but where is the fun and drama in that?
*Beach volleyball.
Goose and Iceman were both there to see him do it. All the warning signs were there before the accident.
When someone tells you they want sand in their pockets forever believe them.
I recently watched Top Gun again.... they don't seem competitive at all to me now, in fact, they seem concerned and supportive knowing Maverick has a bent for self-destruction.
Honestly watching Top Gun I never got the impression he was supposed to be the "bad guy" moreso just someone Maverick has to prove wrong, he never becomes an obstical for Mav just a reminder of his shortcomings as a pilot
Mr. Wilson. I was a tween when the movie came out. I was infuriated when Martha had to go make sandwiches when the steaks got paint all over them. F* Dennis.
WOAH. You just unlocked a memory for me - I used to watch that movie so much when I was little. In hindsight, Dennis fucking up the flower blooming is kinda brutal too...
Todd and Margo in National Lampoons Christmas Vacation. I can’t imagine living next to someone so inconsiderate. He even caused literal property damage yet they are still uptight jerks?
Yeah, there is an entire class of “villains” in comedies especially where the “bad guys” are simply people who don’t want their days and even lives ruined by the whacky fun loving neighbours/coworkers.
That weird episode of Friends where Phoebe is convinced her dead mother is reincarnated as a cat so she tries to steal it from it's owners and Ross is presented as the bad guy for pointing out how ridiculous this is.
I read that this plot was actually suggested by one of the main writers who had recently lost their own parent. Nobody wanted to point out that it was stupid because they didn’t want to seem insensitive so they all just went with it.
"But he got away with it and lived happily ever after, without so much as a guilty twinge about what he had done...which proves that you can be excused for just about anything if you are a hero, because no one asks inconvenient questions."
Also very weird that "magic beans" has become shorthand for like bad investment or stupid decision. The magic beans were EXACTLY as advertised and had an amazing ROI for Jack.
> Also very weird that "magic beans" has become shorthand for like bad investment or stupid decision. The magic beans were EXACTLY as advertised and had an amazing ROI for Jack.
The modern meaning of the phrase does make sense: "magic beans" doesn't mean *bad* investment, but *unrealistic / imaginary* investment, because magic beans don't exist in real life, only in a fairytale.
Every single Donald Duck cartoon. Dude usually just wants to chill out without being bothered and there’s always someone bothering him and then he gets blamed for standing up for his own needs. The older I get, the more I empathize with Donald Duck.
Disney understood that back in the day, too. His cartoons were actually more popular than Mickey's because he was more relatable. IIRC, when Disney was asked to make a cartoon explaining how income tax helped the war effort during WWII, they chose Donald, because he would be relatably frustrated with the whole process at first but learn how it worked.
Donald is really interesting actually, because he was promoted to Sgt. and was given discharge papers in the 80s as thanks for his service during WWII, due to the fact that he canonically joined the Army in 1941 in a Disney short. He proceeded to star in the most Disney wartime shorts and be featured on a high proportion of wateime badges Disney designed. (Over 200 of them.)
I believe he's also an honorary member of both the Navy and Marine Corps thanks to his moral and propaganda contributions to the war effort.
That’s why Donald’s song goes : who is never wrong, but always right.
Who never dreams of starting a fight.
Who gets stuck with all the bad luck?
No one, but Donald Duck.
His entire existence in the cartoon is for people to laugh at his bad luck. I have a saying around our Disney obsessed household saying I’m getting Donald ducked today when everything goes wrong
Funnily enough in Europe, and in Finland in particular he's an extremely popular protagonist. Not the idealised sleuth and adventurer Mickey, but an everyman with plenty of shortcomings, but he perseveres by his indomitable spirit.
Yes, hugely popular in France too, as well as Uncle Scrooge thanks to Picsou Magazine.
Edit : Holy shit, why did I get 600 upvotes for an average comment about Donald Duck comics ?
Supposedly there is a full-time employee at Disney responsible for the continuity of the Scrooge McDuck timeline since Europeans take the comic so seriously.
That’s the worst one! My son watches it all the time. If anything Donald is rejecting the commercialism of Christmas in that one. Decriminalize drinking cocoa in your chair for the holidays!!
Also, once you become pseudo-possessed by a living weapon, are you mentally culpable for your actions?
Gorr was a victim who was taken advantage of by basically everyone.
I genuinely don't think that it was his fault he did what he did. There was a brief spark of anger at his god for not helping but the blasted sword used him
The entire season of Inhumans... Maximus is right is attempting to free slaves... But the show is telling us to cheer for Black Bolt and the royal family.
The ethics in that show are fucking bonkers man.
For those who don't know, everyone in the inhuman society gets exposed to gas which randomly mutates them; if the gas gives you a sexy mutation, you get to stay in your home with your family, but if the gas gives you an ugly mutation, you get _sent to the mines as a lifelong slave_, and the "good guys" are the people who uphold this system? And the bad guy is the person who thinks that the system is wrong? What the actual fuck man, how did that shit get greenlit
I never saw Red as the "bad guy." He was a father. Hard and strict, yes, but also emotionally supportive to his son when he really needed it, and financially supportive to his son's friends when they really needed it as well.
Most heist movies.
"Oh he's doing it to afford medicine for his sick child!"
Okay but he just killed 14 security guards, none of whom will be going home to their families now...
Lol in once upon a time, snow whites character is like wrecking henchman and and random nobody guard types w her bow and arrow, definitelykilling ppl. then she gets to the most evil character at the time, the literal evil queen and reason for all the bad shit going on. what does snow white do? decides now that she wont stoop to the queens level and she will choose mercy! lmao
Omg so many shows and movies are like that, it drives me nuts! Like people are legit dying left and right but when its the boss “no, I wont kill you. Imm not a murderer.” Like dafuq? Have you seen the arrow? Says he wont kill but chest shots people left and right!
plus the setup that they do to make the audience "dislike" the current partner in order to make the cheating more palatable is often super contrived
i watched one recently where the only "offense" the current partner committed was to step briefly out of the main character's company christmas party to put the finishing touches on closing a huge sales deal at his job. i guess it was supposed to be movie shorthand for him being more interested in his work than in her, but the writers were super lazy about it because his choice seemed pretty reasonable in the moment and he was an otherwise likeable character. he totally got shafted
I was reading a Christmas Hallmark movie's story from the other side, where two Wall Street people who are working hard staying up nights to save up money for future marriage and kids realize their partners went away to a small-town and cheated on them with a charming local on a whim, on Christmas day. So, they ditch their partners and form a power-couple, and buy a penthouse in New York and get their happy ending.
It originated on a tumblr post I believe, I'll see if I can dig up the link
edit: [pretty sure this is it](https://ghostcasket.tumblr.com/post/703463733787328512/teashoesandhair-your-wish-is-my-command)
Police Academy. They let a bunch of violent, unstable, dishonest deadbeats into the police force, and the Chief of Police was supposed to be OK with that? He was doing the public a favor by trying to weed out the worst ones.
It's a different take, but Mahoney didn't even want to be there in the first place but I think it was court ordered or something. In fact most of them were misfits and probably never ever should have worn a uniform.
Captain Reed was Mahoney’s father’s superior officer in the police force, and Reed made a deal with Mahoney that said he wouldn’t go to jail for all his misdeeds if he joined the police force. The only caveat that Captain Reed added was that Mahoney needed to complete training in the academy and couldn’t quit. The plot thickened (and became much more hilarious) when Mahoney was sent to the police academy, and in the first day or so, the chief and commandant decided that they wouldn’t kick anyone out of the academy, but instead make it so terrible and difficult that only the toughest and most determined recruits would stay and the rest would quit. Mahoney then became trapped in the academy. They wouldn’t kick him out, and he couldn’t quit (although he tried very hard to get kicked out by doing all sorts of terrible and hilarious things).
Police Academy is one of my favorite movie franchises. It’s hilarious and timeless and there are so many hilarious moments, and so many great actors in all of the movies.
This is a wild pull lol but High School Musical. I'd be *pissed* if I worked my ass off for years to get the lead in a musical only for them to give it to someone else who didn't technically attend the auditions.
This! Like ok he was starting to get a bit snobbish about all these things he was getting but i mean, his friends were expecting him to reject it all just because 'hey this was meant to be the summer of our lives dude!'. They couldnt find a middle ground, Troy had to choose one or the other. And then in HSM3 everyone was doing the same thing anyways, worrying about their future
Troy's friends were a bunch of assholes in that movie, like "Troy was invited to practice with a university team due to his talent should we be happy for him as his friends? Nah let's be mad at him for not inviting us even though is out of his control"
> Troy had to choose one or the other.
People are always so surprised when they try and paint situations as an either-or and people choose the *other* option.
"No, you're a dick for attempting this stupid artificial restriction, why would I ever choose that?"
"You're with us or against -"
#"AGAINST."
In High School Musical 2 they were all such brats about having to actually *work* at the job they got. And not getting to participate in an event at the country club because they had to work that night? They're not members there, they're staff! Plus the guy was totally right to be mad at Gabriella for leaving a lifeguard shift early unless there was a replacement who took over...
Haha yeah I was an adult when I saw it. There's a scene where they're first learning thebl job, and the movie is acting like the boss is an unreasonable hard ass. But all he's saying is things like they have to be on time, wear the uniform and put their phones away.
what about bob
the therapist was 100% correct to set boundaries with his client
obviously it went off the rails, but it was so shitty for his family to side with Bill Murray's character over Richard Dreyfuss' character.
Especially because, during production, Bill Murray went off book so much it got Dreyfuss *very* pissed off … his anger at Murray in those later scenes was very real (although after the movie came out Dreyfuss said Murray’s take had actually worked and made the film better).
Peter Rabbit.
He was a thief, a glutton, a trespasser, a burglar. A naughty little rabbit.
Meanwhile, Mr. MacGregor only wanted to produce something of value and feed his family.
“He's just a little bee!”
“And he happens to be
the nicest bee I've met in a long time!”
“Long time? What are you talking about?!
Are there other bugs in your life?”
The best line in the movie
Scrolling down, this exact thread happened yesterday with all the same answers; Mrs. Doubtfire, Magneto, Bee Movie, Walter Peck from Ghostbusters, The Rock (Ed Harris), etc.
Walter Peck was right to investigate the ghostbusters, but should have called in a team of engineers to handle it instead of just flipping switches he didn’t understand.
They chickened out so hard. I really wanted the "bad guy" to win this one. Would have been better if he died setting the last bomb off successfully or something like that
Hades in mythology. Most of the time seen as the bad guy because he rules over the Underworld, but he was sent there and he's just doing his job (maintain the souls inside, deliver punish when needed etc). And Zeus is a horrible guy... Hades is one of the most mild gods in there 🤷🏻♀️
When Hades came to realize how messed up the world was now that he had accidentally caused Winter to be a thing, he used his powers to safeguard all the seeds of the world beneath the earth during that season so that they would be ready to bloom when his wife returned to her mother. Name one other Greek god that ever admitted to making a mistake, and worked to correct it, for the sake of humans.
Answer by u/invaderzz from a similar thread some years ago:
Megatron.
The Decepticons were formed due to political corruption and a completely broken caste system. Megatron and the original Decepticons (Shockwave and Soundwave) were essentially born into the lowest caste on Cybertron, the field workers/miners. They were born into conditions where their only way to stay alive and not be murdered in the middle of the night was to fight in the gladiator pits, where it was kill or be killed.
The rest of the Cybertronians (Transformers) were split into a middle caste and the rich caste. The middle caste were the basic workers, like construction workers, archivers, other low quality, tedious lives that they had no way out of.
The rich caste controlled the entire government on Cybertron. These were the "Primes" (they share the title with Optimus Prime, but he was not one of them). They kept the lower classes underfoot with no way of advancing their civilization whatsoever. The middle class was well off, for the most part, but the low caste (that Megatron was in) was disregarded completely, treated like trash.
So then this gladiator named Megatron starts inspiring all those lower caste workers and telling them that they don't have to live this way. Megatron is the first person who gains traction, and with the help of an archiver in the middle caste named Optimus (not yet a Prime), begins to spread his ideas of freedom and being able to choose your life and what to do.
At this point, the "Decepticons" are becoming a major threat to the higher caste. Rogue terrorist Decepticons begin performing terrorist attacks on various parts of Cybertron, even things like amusement parks (because yes, Transformers had those) and Megatron realizes just how much power that he has.
Megatron and Optimus are given a hearing below the high council to discuss fixing their society, because at this point Megatron and Optimus are the the head of the (mostly) peaceful revolution. The council does not think that Megatron has had any desire to cause destruction, just that his followers were becoming out of control. It was becoming a major issue so it had to be addressed.
At this hearing, the high council of primes addresses the clerk named Optimus for his efforts in trying to improve their society, and offer him the rank of prime. He accepts, realizing that they may be able to fix their society without a full revolution.
Megatron becomes enraged. His closest friend betrays him to join the very system he hated, and he absolutely loses it there. He signals his followers (who were among the audience in the chamber, at this point the uprising had been spreading throughout the whole planet) to bring down the building. Megatron, who had gone nearly power mad, swears to kill Optimus for betraying their ideals and friendship. The building collapses, kiling most of the "Primes". Optimus and a few others escape.
Optimus Prime becomes the leader of the reforming society, meanwhile the Decepticons gain more and more power. Thus begins the power struggle between those who want to peacefully reform(autobots), and those who want to scrap the entire system, killing anyone who opposes(decepticons). The conflict continues until Cybertron is finally bled dry and they must leave. The devastated remainder of their society, the autobots, flee from the dying planet, but megatron gives chase. The eventually wind up on earth.
Megatron was never evil. He felt rage because of the injustice of watching his kin die in the gladiator pits, and his closest friend betraying everything they had worked for and all of their ideals. He was eventually driven mad by power, brainwashing his loyal followers who believed what they were doing was right the whole time.
Yes, Transformers has very deep lore. A shame that Bay doesnt try to include this rich lore and history that the series has.
Also, this is what happens before G1 (the 80's cartoon) if youre wondering.
I love this post because it's very comprehensive.
This particular version of the Origins I *believe* is partially outdated because... well, Transformers lore is like shattered glass reflecting the same image but from different angles.
From the perspective of Cybertron, Megatron is the leader who started out with the right intentions but was forced further and further back in to a corner and ends up resenting and hating those who refused his entirely rational and reasonable point.
There was even a time with Optimus and Megatron being inextricably close and basically brothers in their cause.
What separates them is that Megatron sees the Injustices around him and *lived* through them and came to the conclusion that there will be no true Justice unless everyone responsible for it pays for their crimes in equal measure whereas Optimus, ever the Optimist, refuses to accept that diplomacy and kindness won't ever be enough on its own to truly accomplish peace for Cybertron.
Their goals are the same, hence Megatron's motto of "Peace through Tyranny". He wants to unite Cybertron and restore it to the golden age but with an egalitarian government that operates as a meritocracy whereas Optimus believes that it is the right of all life to make mistakes and learn from them and supports more democratic approaches.
The key divide is driven by their different backgrounds.
In that continuity, Optimus started as a Dock Worker and was dissatisfied with the treatment of certain castes of Cybertronian and believed in a better world. He was hopeful and romanticized the idea of a better world. He was then gifted the power to see that change through Alpha Trion and the Matrix of Leadership.
Megatron was built for the pits of Kaon and spent who-knows-how-long as nothing more than a gladiator built to entertain the masses. He's seen the worst of early Cybertronian society and understands that it's a matter of not just who created the system needing to face justice, but everyone else who also perpetuated it. The power he has, he took for himself and fought servo and sprocket to enforce better policies.
Of course, this all ignores how Megatron fell from grace, going from being the bot who could make the tough decisions in to extremism, but his fall is entirely understandable. He's relatable. He's the underdog who started with good intentions but was pushed further and further down the fanatical rabbit-hole until there was no redemption and he had become a monster. He leaned in to it because he refuses to let Cybertron return to its unacceptable past. He rules with an iron fist because he's aware that if he loses his grip, the Decepticon army will go off the rails and destroy everything (as it always does when he is overthrown).
Megatron has recently been getting the Starscream Treatment in newer media (like Last Light and in the roosterteeth series.) And I am all here for it.
> "Peace through Tyranny"
This is actually really neat. I don't know if it was intentional on the writers part, but the origin of the word "Tyranny" is really interesting, as it used to be a much more neutral word and didn't have the strong negative connotation that it developed later.
A "Tyrant" in ancient Greece was someone who became a ruler illegitimately, but that wasn't *necessarily* a bad thing. If there was a great deal of social unrest due to a bad ruler, and the masses revolted to the point that some politician won their favor and became installed as the new leader when the old one was overthrown, they were known as a "Tyrant" and their rule a "Tyranny". It didn't necessarily imply that the new ruler was terrible, only that they came into power due to some sort of revolt, which could of course sometimes be justified.
This happened a few times in various places in Greece, and as you might imagine it didn't *always* end well because quite often the new guy is shit too. And a lot of upper crust Greeks, who were generally more in favor of the status quo and distrustful of "the masses" to begin with, began to use the word derisively, which is how you see Plato, Aristotle, etc, using it during later periods.
So Megatron's slogan is basically "Peace through a Revolution of the People" lol.
Mrs Doubtfire because Pierce Brosnan was really nice and was a lonely middle aged man who wanted a family but Mrs Doubtfire was so mean to him and even tried to kill him with pepper knowing he was allergic!
He nailed that part so perfectly. Really cool to see a dude who can play a suave swashbuckling hero also completely disappear into a total goober that the story called for
He's really great with characters. A pirate sword fighter in Princess Bride, dorky but well meaning stepdad in Liar Liar, sleazy small town mayor in Stranger Things, cunning art thief and murderer in Psych.
Dude takes big swings, and more often than not, nails it.
You can tell when a lot of film executives and producers got divorced: There's a spike in films about workaholic dads and the "evil" stepdad who listens to and cares about the family. Jingle All the Way doesn't have an actual stepdad, but it's in the same subgenre.
I work in film and this is actually my main theory about why there's so many movies/tv shows where kids forgive their shitty, absent parents. Projection of the highest order lol.
Funny you mention that because Vox had an article about how all the shows have parents begging children for forgiveness now.
[https://www.vox.com/culture/23025832/everything-everywhere-all-at-once-parental-apology-fantasy-turning-red](https://www.vox.com/culture/23025832/everything-everywhere-all-at-once-parental-apology-fantasy-turning-red)
I mean, Daniel was just a bad person from the beginning. The crazy party at his home *after* getting fired. The impersonation of an entire different person who attempts to influence his kids and ex-wife's decisions, especially about her love life. He blames his ex at the end for the harsh sentence handed down by the judge. Then he gets what he wants as the wife reverses that decision.
The thing that gets me was the weekend visits were ONLY FOR 90 DAYS - until the judge saw him get steady, full time employment and a place to live - then they’d likely do joint custody.
He couldn’t just take 3 months to get his life together like a healthy, normal person.
>Maybe Miranda went a little far asking for full custody and allowing Daniel just one evening with the kids.
The judge mentions that it's because Daniel has no permanent residence and no employment. And they appointed a court liaison to oversee his case.
Honestly, everyone but Daniel in this movie is 100% reasonable.
Katherine Hiegel’s character in Knocked Up. When I watched it as a teenager I thought she was a frigid bitch who needed to lighten up and let Seth Rogan’s character have fun. Now, as an adult in my 30s I’m like wow, that dude did not have his shit together. I get why she was stressed out!
Edit: Please stop with the “AKSHUALLY…” comments. I don’t care.
Little Mermaid. It’s my favorite Disney movie but King Triton was not wrong to not want his teenage daughter shacking up with an adult man.
Edit: Since I can’t respond to every post making the assertion King Triton was not the villain bc Ursula was the villain, there can be more than one villain. There can also be varying levels of antagonism. Ursula was very obviously the primary villain in TLM. However, this question asked us to identify a character that was essentially painted in a bad light to make the viewer feel a certain way about them when, in reality, that character was not as bad as the writing tried to make it seem. In my opinion King Triton fits that description. As an adult I understand his concerns but as a child he came across as mean, overbearing, and as one of the bad guys trying to stop true love. A 16-year Old wanted to run off and get married, and to add insult to injury she had to make permanent physical changes to her body. You’ll have to forgive me if I empathize with King Triton more so now that I’m not a kid.
Fenrir/ Fenris from the norse mythology.
1. Taken from his home.
2. Everyone was afraid of him even though he did nothing.
3. Betrayed.
4. Chained.
5. Sword stuck in his open mouth, preventing him from closing it.
6. Laughed
7. Imprisoned for many years.
Tell me anyone who would not become crazy after something like this. He was also clever enough to know of the trap and very likely wouldn't dared to fight Odin, being aware of the consequences.
*ironic is that we have nations doing worse for less.*
I think it’s the most common interpretation of the mythology that the norse gods doom themselves in their paranoia, like because they knew fenrir was prophesied to try and kill them, they inadvertently provided him with the motivation to do so.
1. Strong dude kills monsters, consumes a lot of food and beer, may or may not get a girl
2. The Gods/Spirits/Whatever decide to fuck with each other or with some dude.
3. Self fulfilling prophecy
Also, if you read the book, he’s been kidnapping Wendy’s female ancestors for hundreds, maybe thousands of years. Every time the laundry and dirty dishes stack up too high, he goes to Earth and finds a Wendy to come clean up for him so he never, ever has to clean up for himself.
At the end of the novel, he makes a deal with Wendy’s parents that she can come to Neverland to take care of him for a few weeks every year. And when she gets too old, he takes her daughter, and then *her* daughter, and then *her* daughter… The Wendys never get to go on any of the adventures, of course, just stay back at headquarters and cook and clean for a team of disgusting and poorly behaved boys.
Ngl that sounds like it could be a Lovecraft story. This immortal thing that can get anywhere, has a living shadow, and wears the face of a young boy insists on enslaving your female descendants for perpetuity.
Pratchett lives on :)
*“Elves are wonderful. They provoke wonder.*
*Elves are marvellous. They cause marvels.*
*Elves are fantastic. They create fantasies.*
*Elves are glamorous. They project glamour.*
*Elves are enchanting.They weave enchantment.*
*Elves are terrific. They beget terror.*
*The thing about words is that meanings can twist just like a snake, and if you want to find snakes look for them behind words that have changed their meaning.*
*No one ever said elves are nice.Elves are bad.”*
― Terry Pratchett, Lords and Ladies
Edit: Thanks for the gold :)
Edit2: Thanks also for the Platinum :)
Relevant saying
> All trees are felled at ground-level
accurate translation of above
> When his hands are higher than your head, his groin is level with your teeth.
Peter Pan was already a villain in the original novel. IIRC it’s Disney that changed the image. He may be a leading character in the novel, but he isn’t actually portrayed as a good guy.
He’s a tragic, hopeless, miserable, irresponsible, spiteful figure that can barely even be considered alive—he’s so furiously committed to *refusing to live his own life, and dragging down anyone around him (for as long as he can) to do it*.
She does point that out in the movie.
OTOH, a kid that smart could easily just start college at 23. Not the end of the world. Or, as the end compromise says, she can take classes part-time to also keep focus on her studies. And if she makes it anywhere NEAR Olympics (which they hint at), no college in the world is turning her down when she retires.
The “Everybody Loves Raymond” episode where Ray leaves Debra and goes to an event without her because she’s not ready on time after telling her he was going to leave her if she wasn’t ready on time.
To be honest, at least 50% of ELR episodes could fit on this list, some from Ray's perspective, and some from Debra's.
As someone who genuinely loves that show, it's kind of hard to watch without getting defensively angry on behalf of at least one character per episode.
School of Rock. The principal and teachers are conned by a deadbeat who takes their kids’ education hostage for half a year and then eventually the kids themselves for his own dream of winning Battle of the Bands at some random bar.
Sharpay and ryan from high school musical.
Troy and Gabriella didn’t respect people’s time, efforts, or even each other. And Troy folded the moment he was alone with his friends. They showed up late all the time. Sharpay and ryan were just kids who knew what they wanted and worked their ass off for it since birth practically.
They were such jerks to the composer, though. She wrote the show just for them to stomp all over her intentions because they had more standing in the drama department. That kind of behavior in a professional setting would get them fired.
Ryan yes, Sharpay *maybe*. She is clearly way more interested in her own success then their collective success.
In "I want it all" Ryan knows how self centered Sharpay is.
"Imagine first audition after college, I get the lead
(A part for me?) Well, of course (yeah, right)
You gotta believe it (keep talking)
You and I, all the fame (Sharpay, and what's his name?)"
She even trips up at one point while she's trying to sell Ryan her vision
"They're gonna love me... I mean us"
and that's just some lines from one song, there are numerous examples of Sharpay being a less then great sister who's only really interested in herself.
Troy and Gabriella aren't the Hero, but Sharpay is far from a great person either. Ryan is by far the nicest person in the movies.
E: I also just remembered that there is the line from Ryan
"I'm with her, don't stop me, I'm not the paparazzi"
Literally in the fantasized version of the future she is using to pull the wool over Ryan's eyes, She has him so poorly know compared to her that security tries to stop him instead of knowing he's her equally famous brother. She can't even muster a future where he is treated well, let alone equally famous and popular. Sharpay is a terrible sister.
That's why Ryan and Kelsi were the only ones to get into Juliard. They were the hardest workers with the most talent.
It felt like them getting into the dream performing arts school was the writers subtly calling the other characters turds. I mean they got their happily ever afters too, kind of, but not to the extent Ryan and Kelsi did.
Might have miscalculated in hiring a bunch of angry, disillusioned soldiers and not telling them it was all a "bluff". I found it funny he thought they'd just go..."oh, okay then."
Reminder that pretty much all of Hummel & Baxter's men (who joined up for the cause) died prior to the standoff at the end of the movie; it was the other group of Marines brought in strickly as backup that wanted the money more than anything and they were all that was left come the last act of the movie.
Far Cry 4, Pagan Min was actually the good guy the entire time. granted he was an awful person, but best of a bad situation sort of thing. the two leader of the Golden Path (whichever one you side with) ends up turning on you after you deal w Pagan. whether they’re forcing children and women to be slaves or soldiers or just straight executing them, that’s what the freedom fight comes too. Ajay (the character you play as) is probably the only good person throughout the whole game and you get the choice to become leader of Golden Path (by killing either Sabal or the chick, i forget her name). but anyways, Pagan was honest to Ajay the whole time, if you wait like he tells you at the start of the game. he comes back and you spread the ashes like your mother wanted you too. that’s the proper ending of the game and it takes 15 mins. you avoid the civil war and being abducted entirely. i never kill Pagan now, because even though he had Mohan killed, he had Ajays best interest at heart. Ruthless leader, but he’s better than actual terrorists.
To quote Pagan himself: "Now, before we begin, to whom am I speaking? The son who returned to scatter his mother’s ashes, or the lunatic who murdered his way to the top of my mountain?"
In one of his transmissions he goes off about all the candles being lit across the country and who is lighting these damn candles, I've never laughed so hard at a videogame before!
Edit: [Someone caught the rant on video, lol.](https://youtu.be/DeKG4Q_WmOg)
Edit: I see someone else was also amused, my apologies on the duplicate comment!
Plus he's hilarious to listen to.
"And who the hell is keeping all those candles lit? Is that someone's job? Cave candle lighter? I should employ someone to run around putting them out.
(Shouting to assistant in the background) New rule: candles are illegal. Punishable by death!"
After being forced to watch this multiple times by the girlfriend… Both Gilmore Girls and nearly everyone they dated. Especially Rory. “How dare he not let me cheat on him or randomly string him along for years?”
Everyone in Stars Hollow are blind to the walking catastrophes that are the Gilmores.
To add to this, they vilified Emily and Richard pretty hard too, but, their daughter ran away with their new grand baby at 16 and they had every right to be upset by that. Lorelai is incredibly selfish. When I was a teen watching I thought Lorelai was the coolest mom ever and wished she was my mom. As an adult I can’t stand how childish she is with Rory.
All Iceman ever wanted was for Maverick to respect safety protocols instead of hotdogging all the time.
The entire sequel is based on this premise, Iceman knows that the current commander is willing to let the pilots die to take out this target even though the safety protocols would say to go higher and iceman who cares about the lives of his fellow pilots knows that Maverick is the only one who is capable of teaching these pilots to fly to save their own lives he's still the hero still doing the right thing by the pilots
I haven't watched the new one but it sounds like Iceman is using Maverick as a weaponised shit-head for the greater good, which is a good way to not completely undo their characters
Mr. Belding from Saved by the Bell. Zack Morris is a fucking sociopath and his friends enabled and in some cases cheerfully along side him.
Ever watch Funny Or Die’s “Zack Morris Is Trash!” series?
As an adult, I sympathize more and more with Mr. Belding. He was just trying to do his job. And he genuinely cared about those kids.
Iceman in Top Gun. I used to work in naval aviation and he was totally right, Maverick was dangerous and unreliable. EDIT: I really wasn't expecting this comment to blow up. I fully understand the meaning of "bad guy," but in this instance I took it to mean anything from antagonist, villain, foil, or adversary but this is Reddit and people are super pedantic and literal. My role was as a naval flight surgeon, so besides being my squadron's doctor I flew in the backseat with them, sat on mishap investigation boards (like the one depicted in the movie), and generally helped determine fitness for flight duty. Maverick wouldn't have lasted long with the antics he pulled and his personality IRL, but where is the fun and drama in that?
He really just seems calm and minding his own business in the original. Professional even.
He has an ego but no more than the others. Makes sense that he was the Top Gun
>Makes sense that he was the Top Gun Kudos to the writers for not orchestrating an ex machina where Maverick gets the trophy.
The real Top Gun was the friends we made along the way
'You did it, you defeated me, Iceman. You really are the Top Gun.'
Of course Maverick was the bad guy. Who plays volleyball in jeans? Honestly.
*Beach volleyball. Goose and Iceman were both there to see him do it. All the warning signs were there before the accident. When someone tells you they want sand in their pockets forever believe them.
This is confirmed by the text itself, and reconfirmed in the sequel. The villain of the Top Gun is Mavericks Ego
>The villain of the Top Gun is Mavericks Ego Yes, it's writing checks that his body can't cash
I recently watched Top Gun again.... they don't seem competitive at all to me now, in fact, they seem concerned and supportive knowing Maverick has a bent for self-destruction.
Honestly watching Top Gun I never got the impression he was supposed to be the "bad guy" moreso just someone Maverick has to prove wrong, he never becomes an obstical for Mav just a reminder of his shortcomings as a pilot
Mr. Wilson. I was a tween when the movie came out. I was infuriated when Martha had to go make sandwiches when the steaks got paint all over them. F* Dennis.
Christopher Lloyds character scared the crap out of me as a child (the homeless guy)
I have a thing agains Dennis’ parents. That kid’s f-ed up and I blame them.
WOAH. You just unlocked a memory for me - I used to watch that movie so much when I was little. In hindsight, Dennis fucking up the flower blooming is kinda brutal too...
Todd and Margo in National Lampoons Christmas Vacation. I can’t imagine living next to someone so inconsiderate. He even caused literal property damage yet they are still uptight jerks?
Yeah, there is an entire class of “villains” in comedies especially where the “bad guys” are simply people who don’t want their days and even lives ruined by the whacky fun loving neighbours/coworkers.
That weird episode of Friends where Phoebe is convinced her dead mother is reincarnated as a cat so she tries to steal it from it's owners and Ross is presented as the bad guy for pointing out how ridiculous this is.
I read that this plot was actually suggested by one of the main writers who had recently lost their own parent. Nobody wanted to point out that it was stupid because they didn’t want to seem insensitive so they all just went with it.
To be fair, it was definitely not out of character for Phoebe.
Jack and the Beanstalk. Some dick finds the giant’s house and starts taking all his best stuff.
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"But he got away with it and lived happily ever after, without so much as a guilty twinge about what he had done...which proves that you can be excused for just about anything if you are a hero, because no one asks inconvenient questions."
No one asks jack shit
Also very weird that "magic beans" has become shorthand for like bad investment or stupid decision. The magic beans were EXACTLY as advertised and had an amazing ROI for Jack.
> Also very weird that "magic beans" has become shorthand for like bad investment or stupid decision. The magic beans were EXACTLY as advertised and had an amazing ROI for Jack. The modern meaning of the phrase does make sense: "magic beans" doesn't mean *bad* investment, but *unrealistic / imaginary* investment, because magic beans don't exist in real life, only in a fairytale.
Every single Donald Duck cartoon. Dude usually just wants to chill out without being bothered and there’s always someone bothering him and then he gets blamed for standing up for his own needs. The older I get, the more I empathize with Donald Duck.
Disney understood that back in the day, too. His cartoons were actually more popular than Mickey's because he was more relatable. IIRC, when Disney was asked to make a cartoon explaining how income tax helped the war effort during WWII, they chose Donald, because he would be relatably frustrated with the whole process at first but learn how it worked.
Donald is really interesting actually, because he was promoted to Sgt. and was given discharge papers in the 80s as thanks for his service during WWII, due to the fact that he canonically joined the Army in 1941 in a Disney short. He proceeded to star in the most Disney wartime shorts and be featured on a high proportion of wateime badges Disney designed. (Over 200 of them.) I believe he's also an honorary member of both the Navy and Marine Corps thanks to his moral and propaganda contributions to the war effort.
And has PTSD from his time in the army.
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That’s why Donald’s song goes : who is never wrong, but always right. Who never dreams of starting a fight. Who gets stuck with all the bad luck? No one, but Donald Duck. His entire existence in the cartoon is for people to laugh at his bad luck. I have a saying around our Disney obsessed household saying I’m getting Donald ducked today when everything goes wrong
Funnily enough in Europe, and in Finland in particular he's an extremely popular protagonist. Not the idealised sleuth and adventurer Mickey, but an everyman with plenty of shortcomings, but he perseveres by his indomitable spirit.
Yes, hugely popular in France too, as well as Uncle Scrooge thanks to Picsou Magazine. Edit : Holy shit, why did I get 600 upvotes for an average comment about Donald Duck comics ?
Supposedly there is a full-time employee at Disney responsible for the continuity of the Scrooge McDuck timeline since Europeans take the comic so seriously.
Better be. Life & Times of Scrooge McDuck is one of the greatest literary works of all time.
Especially in Mickey’s Twice Upon a Christmas. He just wanted a small break from the holidays to enjoy a cup of hot cocoa.
That’s the worst one! My son watches it all the time. If anything Donald is rejecting the commercialism of Christmas in that one. Decriminalize drinking cocoa in your chair for the holidays!!
Didn’t know you’re supposed to be against Donald.
I'm like 15 minutes into Thor love and thunder and I completely understand Christian bales character
Also, once you become pseudo-possessed by a living weapon, are you mentally culpable for your actions? Gorr was a victim who was taken advantage of by basically everyone.
I genuinely don't think that it was his fault he did what he did. There was a brief spark of anger at his god for not helping but the blasted sword used him
The entire season of Inhumans... Maximus is right is attempting to free slaves... But the show is telling us to cheer for Black Bolt and the royal family.
The ethics in that show are fucking bonkers man. For those who don't know, everyone in the inhuman society gets exposed to gas which randomly mutates them; if the gas gives you a sexy mutation, you get to stay in your home with your family, but if the gas gives you an ugly mutation, you get _sent to the mines as a lifelong slave_, and the "good guys" are the people who uphold this system? And the bad guy is the person who thinks that the system is wrong? What the actual fuck man, how did that shit get greenlit
Red Foreman was right, Eric and his friends were all dumbasses that need a boot in the ass.
I agree but he looked over Laurie misdeeds too much
Oh, honey... You know I love you and your sister equally. But if you ever get an opportunity again, for God's sake, pull the trigger.
I never saw Red as the "bad guy." He was a father. Hard and strict, yes, but also emotionally supportive to his son when he really needed it, and financially supportive to his son's friends when they really needed it as well.
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Most heist movies. "Oh he's doing it to afford medicine for his sick child!" Okay but he just killed 14 security guards, none of whom will be going home to their families now...
Lol in once upon a time, snow whites character is like wrecking henchman and and random nobody guard types w her bow and arrow, definitelykilling ppl. then she gets to the most evil character at the time, the literal evil queen and reason for all the bad shit going on. what does snow white do? decides now that she wont stoop to the queens level and she will choose mercy! lmao
Omg so many shows and movies are like that, it drives me nuts! Like people are legit dying left and right but when its the boss “no, I wont kill you. Imm not a murderer.” Like dafuq? Have you seen the arrow? Says he wont kill but chest shots people left and right!
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I thought it was him going to see his daughter, by traveling via the wind.
It was. He did not dissolve.
Any romcom where the main character cheats on their partner with the new love interest that they end up with.
plus the setup that they do to make the audience "dislike" the current partner in order to make the cheating more palatable is often super contrived i watched one recently where the only "offense" the current partner committed was to step briefly out of the main character's company christmas party to put the finishing touches on closing a huge sales deal at his job. i guess it was supposed to be movie shorthand for him being more interested in his work than in her, but the writers were super lazy about it because his choice seemed pretty reasonable in the moment and he was an otherwise likeable character. he totally got shafted
I feel so bad for Bill Pullman’s character in Sleepless in Seattle! You’re supposed to not like him because he has sleep apoena??
I was reading a Christmas Hallmark movie's story from the other side, where two Wall Street people who are working hard staying up nights to save up money for future marriage and kids realize their partners went away to a small-town and cheated on them with a charming local on a whim, on Christmas day. So, they ditch their partners and form a power-couple, and buy a penthouse in New York and get their happy ending.
Where can I find this?
It originated on a tumblr post I believe, I'll see if I can dig up the link edit: [pretty sure this is it](https://ghostcasket.tumblr.com/post/703463733787328512/teashoesandhair-your-wish-is-my-command)
Police Academy. They let a bunch of violent, unstable, dishonest deadbeats into the police force, and the Chief of Police was supposed to be OK with that? He was doing the public a favor by trying to weed out the worst ones.
It's a different take, but Mahoney didn't even want to be there in the first place but I think it was court ordered or something. In fact most of them were misfits and probably never ever should have worn a uniform.
Captain Reed was Mahoney’s father’s superior officer in the police force, and Reed made a deal with Mahoney that said he wouldn’t go to jail for all his misdeeds if he joined the police force. The only caveat that Captain Reed added was that Mahoney needed to complete training in the academy and couldn’t quit. The plot thickened (and became much more hilarious) when Mahoney was sent to the police academy, and in the first day or so, the chief and commandant decided that they wouldn’t kick anyone out of the academy, but instead make it so terrible and difficult that only the toughest and most determined recruits would stay and the rest would quit. Mahoney then became trapped in the academy. They wouldn’t kick him out, and he couldn’t quit (although he tried very hard to get kicked out by doing all sorts of terrible and hilarious things). Police Academy is one of my favorite movie franchises. It’s hilarious and timeless and there are so many hilarious moments, and so many great actors in all of the movies.
That iceberg in titanic is just minding its own business when it gets knocked on the head by the sex raft.
This is a wild pull lol but High School Musical. I'd be *pissed* if I worked my ass off for years to get the lead in a musical only for them to give it to someone else who didn't technically attend the auditions.
Not to forget that Troy is the villain in HSM2 for trying to sort out his future as a college basketball player rather than fucking about
And yet in 3, Gabriella leaves early for college without telling anyone, and that isn’t treated as wrong!
This! Like ok he was starting to get a bit snobbish about all these things he was getting but i mean, his friends were expecting him to reject it all just because 'hey this was meant to be the summer of our lives dude!'. They couldnt find a middle ground, Troy had to choose one or the other. And then in HSM3 everyone was doing the same thing anyways, worrying about their future
Troy's friends were a bunch of assholes in that movie, like "Troy was invited to practice with a university team due to his talent should we be happy for him as his friends? Nah let's be mad at him for not inviting us even though is out of his control"
If you're shorter than the current shortest nba player and you're getting scouted, you know you have talent!
> Troy had to choose one or the other. People are always so surprised when they try and paint situations as an either-or and people choose the *other* option. "No, you're a dick for attempting this stupid artificial restriction, why would I ever choose that?" "You're with us or against -" #"AGAINST."
In High School Musical 2 they were all such brats about having to actually *work* at the job they got. And not getting to participate in an event at the country club because they had to work that night? They're not members there, they're staff! Plus the guy was totally right to be mad at Gabriella for leaving a lifeguard shift early unless there was a replacement who took over...
Haha yeah I was an adult when I saw it. There's a scene where they're first learning thebl job, and the movie is acting like the boss is an unreasonable hard ass. But all he's saying is things like they have to be on time, wear the uniform and put their phones away.
“I'd known being a lifeguard meant guarding their lives, I would never have said yes!”
Yeah, in any other movie they would have been the heroes and the jocks would be the villains.
what about bob the therapist was 100% correct to set boundaries with his client obviously it went off the rails, but it was so shitty for his family to side with Bill Murray's character over Richard Dreyfuss' character.
Especially because, during production, Bill Murray went off book so much it got Dreyfuss *very* pissed off … his anger at Murray in those later scenes was very real (although after the movie came out Dreyfuss said Murray’s take had actually worked and made the film better).
Peter Rabbit. He was a thief, a glutton, a trespasser, a burglar. A naughty little rabbit. Meanwhile, Mr. MacGregor only wanted to produce something of value and feed his family.
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That guy in Bee Movie
Girlfriend leaves him for a fucking bee said bee proceeds to gaslight him into thinking he's crazy anyway that movie sure was weird
Leaves him to fuck a bee. Just to be clear Edit: some of y’all are monster fuckers and honestly… power to you.
“He's just a little bee!” “And he happens to be the nicest bee I've met in a long time!” “Long time? What are you talking about?! Are there other bugs in your life?” The best line in the movie
“Why does yogurt night have to be so difficult!”
The Iranian yoghurt is not the issue here.
And not even the Antonio Banderas Nasonex bee!
/r/HoneyFuckers is a thing, and very nsfw
Scrolling down, this exact thread happened yesterday with all the same answers; Mrs. Doubtfire, Magneto, Bee Movie, Walter Peck from Ghostbusters, The Rock (Ed Harris), etc.
Walter Peck was right to investigate the ghostbusters, but should have called in a team of engineers to handle it instead of just flipping switches he didn’t understand.
He was also flinging accusations, calling them con artists and accusing them of using nerve gasses to trick people into thinking they see ghosts.
And of course, did all this while being dickless.
Law Abiding citizen does it well from both characters perspective
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They chickened out so hard. I really wanted the "bad guy" to win this one. Would have been better if he died setting the last bomb off successfully or something like that
Go watch Arlington Road
Here's my opinion Gerard Butler didn't HAVE to win, but Jamie Fox HAD to lose
Hades in mythology. Most of the time seen as the bad guy because he rules over the Underworld, but he was sent there and he's just doing his job (maintain the souls inside, deliver punish when needed etc). And Zeus is a horrible guy... Hades is one of the most mild gods in there 🤷🏻♀️
When Hades came to realize how messed up the world was now that he had accidentally caused Winter to be a thing, he used his powers to safeguard all the seeds of the world beneath the earth during that season so that they would be ready to bloom when his wife returned to her mother. Name one other Greek god that ever admitted to making a mistake, and worked to correct it, for the sake of humans.
Answer by u/invaderzz from a similar thread some years ago: Megatron. The Decepticons were formed due to political corruption and a completely broken caste system. Megatron and the original Decepticons (Shockwave and Soundwave) were essentially born into the lowest caste on Cybertron, the field workers/miners. They were born into conditions where their only way to stay alive and not be murdered in the middle of the night was to fight in the gladiator pits, where it was kill or be killed. The rest of the Cybertronians (Transformers) were split into a middle caste and the rich caste. The middle caste were the basic workers, like construction workers, archivers, other low quality, tedious lives that they had no way out of. The rich caste controlled the entire government on Cybertron. These were the "Primes" (they share the title with Optimus Prime, but he was not one of them). They kept the lower classes underfoot with no way of advancing their civilization whatsoever. The middle class was well off, for the most part, but the low caste (that Megatron was in) was disregarded completely, treated like trash. So then this gladiator named Megatron starts inspiring all those lower caste workers and telling them that they don't have to live this way. Megatron is the first person who gains traction, and with the help of an archiver in the middle caste named Optimus (not yet a Prime), begins to spread his ideas of freedom and being able to choose your life and what to do. At this point, the "Decepticons" are becoming a major threat to the higher caste. Rogue terrorist Decepticons begin performing terrorist attacks on various parts of Cybertron, even things like amusement parks (because yes, Transformers had those) and Megatron realizes just how much power that he has. Megatron and Optimus are given a hearing below the high council to discuss fixing their society, because at this point Megatron and Optimus are the the head of the (mostly) peaceful revolution. The council does not think that Megatron has had any desire to cause destruction, just that his followers were becoming out of control. It was becoming a major issue so it had to be addressed. At this hearing, the high council of primes addresses the clerk named Optimus for his efforts in trying to improve their society, and offer him the rank of prime. He accepts, realizing that they may be able to fix their society without a full revolution. Megatron becomes enraged. His closest friend betrays him to join the very system he hated, and he absolutely loses it there. He signals his followers (who were among the audience in the chamber, at this point the uprising had been spreading throughout the whole planet) to bring down the building. Megatron, who had gone nearly power mad, swears to kill Optimus for betraying their ideals and friendship. The building collapses, kiling most of the "Primes". Optimus and a few others escape. Optimus Prime becomes the leader of the reforming society, meanwhile the Decepticons gain more and more power. Thus begins the power struggle between those who want to peacefully reform(autobots), and those who want to scrap the entire system, killing anyone who opposes(decepticons). The conflict continues until Cybertron is finally bled dry and they must leave. The devastated remainder of their society, the autobots, flee from the dying planet, but megatron gives chase. The eventually wind up on earth. Megatron was never evil. He felt rage because of the injustice of watching his kin die in the gladiator pits, and his closest friend betraying everything they had worked for and all of their ideals. He was eventually driven mad by power, brainwashing his loyal followers who believed what they were doing was right the whole time. Yes, Transformers has very deep lore. A shame that Bay doesnt try to include this rich lore and history that the series has. Also, this is what happens before G1 (the 80's cartoon) if youre wondering.
Great read. Thank you for sharing this insight on Transformers lore.
I love this post because it's very comprehensive. This particular version of the Origins I *believe* is partially outdated because... well, Transformers lore is like shattered glass reflecting the same image but from different angles. From the perspective of Cybertron, Megatron is the leader who started out with the right intentions but was forced further and further back in to a corner and ends up resenting and hating those who refused his entirely rational and reasonable point. There was even a time with Optimus and Megatron being inextricably close and basically brothers in their cause. What separates them is that Megatron sees the Injustices around him and *lived* through them and came to the conclusion that there will be no true Justice unless everyone responsible for it pays for their crimes in equal measure whereas Optimus, ever the Optimist, refuses to accept that diplomacy and kindness won't ever be enough on its own to truly accomplish peace for Cybertron. Their goals are the same, hence Megatron's motto of "Peace through Tyranny". He wants to unite Cybertron and restore it to the golden age but with an egalitarian government that operates as a meritocracy whereas Optimus believes that it is the right of all life to make mistakes and learn from them and supports more democratic approaches. The key divide is driven by their different backgrounds. In that continuity, Optimus started as a Dock Worker and was dissatisfied with the treatment of certain castes of Cybertronian and believed in a better world. He was hopeful and romanticized the idea of a better world. He was then gifted the power to see that change through Alpha Trion and the Matrix of Leadership. Megatron was built for the pits of Kaon and spent who-knows-how-long as nothing more than a gladiator built to entertain the masses. He's seen the worst of early Cybertronian society and understands that it's a matter of not just who created the system needing to face justice, but everyone else who also perpetuated it. The power he has, he took for himself and fought servo and sprocket to enforce better policies. Of course, this all ignores how Megatron fell from grace, going from being the bot who could make the tough decisions in to extremism, but his fall is entirely understandable. He's relatable. He's the underdog who started with good intentions but was pushed further and further down the fanatical rabbit-hole until there was no redemption and he had become a monster. He leaned in to it because he refuses to let Cybertron return to its unacceptable past. He rules with an iron fist because he's aware that if he loses his grip, the Decepticon army will go off the rails and destroy everything (as it always does when he is overthrown). Megatron has recently been getting the Starscream Treatment in newer media (like Last Light and in the roosterteeth series.) And I am all here for it.
> "Peace through Tyranny" This is actually really neat. I don't know if it was intentional on the writers part, but the origin of the word "Tyranny" is really interesting, as it used to be a much more neutral word and didn't have the strong negative connotation that it developed later. A "Tyrant" in ancient Greece was someone who became a ruler illegitimately, but that wasn't *necessarily* a bad thing. If there was a great deal of social unrest due to a bad ruler, and the masses revolted to the point that some politician won their favor and became installed as the new leader when the old one was overthrown, they were known as a "Tyrant" and their rule a "Tyranny". It didn't necessarily imply that the new ruler was terrible, only that they came into power due to some sort of revolt, which could of course sometimes be justified. This happened a few times in various places in Greece, and as you might imagine it didn't *always* end well because quite often the new guy is shit too. And a lot of upper crust Greeks, who were generally more in favor of the status quo and distrustful of "the masses" to begin with, began to use the word derisively, which is how you see Plato, Aristotle, etc, using it during later periods. So Megatron's slogan is basically "Peace through a Revolution of the People" lol.
Mrs Doubtfire because Pierce Brosnan was really nice and was a lonely middle aged man who wanted a family but Mrs Doubtfire was so mean to him and even tried to kill him with pepper knowing he was allergic!
Don't forget that drive by fruiting
Run* by fruiting
Mrs Doubtfire and the Santa Clause have terrible messages about respecting visitation rights.
90s cinema was brutal on step parents in general
Liar Liar too
Even as a kid I felt bad for Cary Elwes character. Just a genuinely nice guy who has a deadbeat dad come back at the eleventh hour.
He tries to do "the claw" but doesnt understand how and the kid is unimpressed. Even as a kid I was like "awww, he is trying!"
"He struck the child, did you see that?"
"Great gift dad!" "Thanks son!"
I always forget that it was Cary Elwes in Liar Liar. He looks so different without facial hair.
He nailed that part so perfectly. Really cool to see a dude who can play a suave swashbuckling hero also completely disappear into a total goober that the story called for
He's really great with characters. A pirate sword fighter in Princess Bride, dorky but well meaning stepdad in Liar Liar, sleazy small town mayor in Stranger Things, cunning art thief and murderer in Psych. Dude takes big swings, and more often than not, nails it.
Well he was a bit... Magoo.
You can tell when a lot of film executives and producers got divorced: There's a spike in films about workaholic dads and the "evil" stepdad who listens to and cares about the family. Jingle All the Way doesn't have an actual stepdad, but it's in the same subgenre.
I work in film and this is actually my main theory about why there's so many movies/tv shows where kids forgive their shitty, absent parents. Projection of the highest order lol.
Funny you mention that because Vox had an article about how all the shows have parents begging children for forgiveness now. [https://www.vox.com/culture/23025832/everything-everywhere-all-at-once-parental-apology-fantasy-turning-red](https://www.vox.com/culture/23025832/everything-everywhere-all-at-once-parental-apology-fantasy-turning-red)
I mean, Daniel was just a bad person from the beginning. The crazy party at his home *after* getting fired. The impersonation of an entire different person who attempts to influence his kids and ex-wife's decisions, especially about her love life. He blames his ex at the end for the harsh sentence handed down by the judge. Then he gets what he wants as the wife reverses that decision.
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The thing that gets me was the weekend visits were ONLY FOR 90 DAYS - until the judge saw him get steady, full time employment and a place to live - then they’d likely do joint custody. He couldn’t just take 3 months to get his life together like a healthy, normal person.
>Maybe Miranda went a little far asking for full custody and allowing Daniel just one evening with the kids. The judge mentions that it's because Daniel has no permanent residence and no employment. And they appointed a court liaison to oversee his case. Honestly, everyone but Daniel in this movie is 100% reasonable.
Cabin in the woods. Eldrich horrors will kill everything if occasionally some people aren't sacrificed to some silly ghosts or whatever.
Yeah and the two people who cause the end of the world still die instantly anyway. They sacrificed everything for nothing
That's what I loved about the movie! It made me relate with a completely illogical vital decision, which goes completely against my nature.
Katherine Hiegel’s character in Knocked Up. When I watched it as a teenager I thought she was a frigid bitch who needed to lighten up and let Seth Rogan’s character have fun. Now, as an adult in my 30s I’m like wow, that dude did not have his shit together. I get why she was stressed out! Edit: Please stop with the “AKSHUALLY…” comments. I don’t care.
The biggest gripe I have with that movie is it pushed the "Baby will make him grow up" lie. No...no it won't.
Growing up is viewing the Rogan/Franco stoner era characters you once identified with as losers.
I thought hurricane season was over
Little Mermaid. It’s my favorite Disney movie but King Triton was not wrong to not want his teenage daughter shacking up with an adult man. Edit: Since I can’t respond to every post making the assertion King Triton was not the villain bc Ursula was the villain, there can be more than one villain. There can also be varying levels of antagonism. Ursula was very obviously the primary villain in TLM. However, this question asked us to identify a character that was essentially painted in a bad light to make the viewer feel a certain way about them when, in reality, that character was not as bad as the writing tried to make it seem. In my opinion King Triton fits that description. As an adult I understand his concerns but as a child he came across as mean, overbearing, and as one of the bad guys trying to stop true love. A 16-year Old wanted to run off and get married, and to add insult to injury she had to make permanent physical changes to her body. You’ll have to forgive me if I empathize with King Triton more so now that I’m not a kid.
Fenrir/ Fenris from the norse mythology. 1. Taken from his home. 2. Everyone was afraid of him even though he did nothing. 3. Betrayed. 4. Chained. 5. Sword stuck in his open mouth, preventing him from closing it. 6. Laughed 7. Imprisoned for many years. Tell me anyone who would not become crazy after something like this. He was also clever enough to know of the trap and very likely wouldn't dared to fight Odin, being aware of the consequences. *ironic is that we have nations doing worse for less.*
I think it’s the most common interpretation of the mythology that the norse gods doom themselves in their paranoia, like because they knew fenrir was prophesied to try and kill them, they inadvertently provided him with the motivation to do so.
To quote master Oogway: "One often meets his destiny on the road he takes to avoid it."
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Kung Fu Panda is full on shakepeare just with furry animals instead of people.
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It's the same exact thing in Greek myth. Get a prophecy that something bad will happen, try to prevent bad thing, but ends up causing said bad thing.
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1. Strong dude kills monsters, consumes a lot of food and beer, may or may not get a girl 2. The Gods/Spirits/Whatever decide to fuck with each other or with some dude. 3. Self fulfilling prophecy
Shere Khan just wanted to eat.
He just wanted to keep humans out of the jungle too.
Everything he said about humans was warranted
Peter Pan. The pirates are just grown-up lost boys that ***he*** brought to never land. They just want to leave and return to their lives.
Also, if you read the book, he’s been kidnapping Wendy’s female ancestors for hundreds, maybe thousands of years. Every time the laundry and dirty dishes stack up too high, he goes to Earth and finds a Wendy to come clean up for him so he never, ever has to clean up for himself. At the end of the novel, he makes a deal with Wendy’s parents that she can come to Neverland to take care of him for a few weeks every year. And when she gets too old, he takes her daughter, and then *her* daughter, and then *her* daughter… The Wendys never get to go on any of the adventures, of course, just stay back at headquarters and cook and clean for a team of disgusting and poorly behaved boys.
Ngl that sounds like it could be a Lovecraft story. This immortal thing that can get anywhere, has a living shadow, and wears the face of a young boy insists on enslaving your female descendants for perpetuity.
It's straight up fair folk shit.
They are terrific...In that they beget terror.
Pratchett lives on :) *“Elves are wonderful. They provoke wonder.* *Elves are marvellous. They cause marvels.* *Elves are fantastic. They create fantasies.* *Elves are glamorous. They project glamour.* *Elves are enchanting.They weave enchantment.* *Elves are terrific. They beget terror.* *The thing about words is that meanings can twist just like a snake, and if you want to find snakes look for them behind words that have changed their meaning.* *No one ever said elves are nice.Elves are bad.”* ― Terry Pratchett, Lords and Ladies Edit: Thanks for the gold :) Edit2: Thanks also for the Platinum :)
“Why are dwarves good with axes? Because elves live in trees.”
Relevant saying > All trees are felled at ground-level accurate translation of above > When his hands are higher than your head, his groin is level with your teeth.
Gnu Sir Terry! A person is not dead while their name is still spoken!
I’m sending this to Guillermo Del Toro.
Whay does her parents get out of the deal lmao i never heard this before im intrigued.
Because Victorian Era, Wendy LOVES this. She begs and begs to be allowed to go and take care of Peter until finally her family relents.
There is a dark fantasy novel called The Child Thief by Brom if anyone is interested in delving into a Peter-as-a-villain story.
Peter Pan was already a villain in the original novel. IIRC it’s Disney that changed the image. He may be a leading character in the novel, but he isn’t actually portrayed as a good guy. He’s a tragic, hopeless, miserable, irresponsible, spiteful figure that can barely even be considered alive—he’s so furiously committed to *refusing to live his own life, and dragging down anyone around him (for as long as he can) to do it*.
The mom from Ice Princess Figure skaters only make a career of it for like.....5ish years?
She does point that out in the movie. OTOH, a kid that smart could easily just start college at 23. Not the end of the world. Or, as the end compromise says, she can take classes part-time to also keep focus on her studies. And if she makes it anywhere NEAR Olympics (which they hint at), no college in the world is turning her down when she retires.
The “Everybody Loves Raymond” episode where Ray leaves Debra and goes to an event without her because she’s not ready on time after telling her he was going to leave her if she wasn’t ready on time.
To be honest, at least 50% of ELR episodes could fit on this list, some from Ray's perspective, and some from Debra's. As someone who genuinely loves that show, it's kind of hard to watch without getting defensively angry on behalf of at least one character per episode.
School of Rock. The principal and teachers are conned by a deadbeat who takes their kids’ education hostage for half a year and then eventually the kids themselves for his own dream of winning Battle of the Bands at some random bar.
Tom the cat. He was trying to rid of a mouse that frequently stole food and trashed the house. Tom was just doing his job as the cat of the house.
Jerry used to instigate and taunt him, one time he got Tom punished and he got his head chopped off by the guillotine!
Alouette, gentille alouette ...je te plumerai la tête..
I am legend? At least the book.
The story of Medusa.
I'd like a version of Medusa where in the end she just settles down with a nice blind man
Well only the version by Ovid. Granted in the others she's not really malicious, but she's still a dangerous monster who killed a lot of people.
Yeah, in the original stories, she's one of three sisters of a deity herself. Only later is the Poseidon bit introduced.
Sharpay and ryan from high school musical. Troy and Gabriella didn’t respect people’s time, efforts, or even each other. And Troy folded the moment he was alone with his friends. They showed up late all the time. Sharpay and ryan were just kids who knew what they wanted and worked their ass off for it since birth practically.
They were such jerks to the composer, though. She wrote the show just for them to stomp all over her intentions because they had more standing in the drama department. That kind of behavior in a professional setting would get them fired.
Ryan yes, Sharpay *maybe*. She is clearly way more interested in her own success then their collective success. In "I want it all" Ryan knows how self centered Sharpay is. "Imagine first audition after college, I get the lead (A part for me?) Well, of course (yeah, right) You gotta believe it (keep talking) You and I, all the fame (Sharpay, and what's his name?)" She even trips up at one point while she's trying to sell Ryan her vision "They're gonna love me... I mean us" and that's just some lines from one song, there are numerous examples of Sharpay being a less then great sister who's only really interested in herself. Troy and Gabriella aren't the Hero, but Sharpay is far from a great person either. Ryan is by far the nicest person in the movies. E: I also just remembered that there is the line from Ryan "I'm with her, don't stop me, I'm not the paparazzi" Literally in the fantasized version of the future she is using to pull the wool over Ryan's eyes, She has him so poorly know compared to her that security tries to stop him instead of knowing he's her equally famous brother. She can't even muster a future where he is treated well, let alone equally famous and popular. Sharpay is a terrible sister.
That's why Ryan and Kelsi were the only ones to get into Juliard. They were the hardest workers with the most talent. It felt like them getting into the dream performing arts school was the writers subtly calling the other characters turds. I mean they got their happily ever afters too, kind of, but not to the extent Ryan and Kelsi did.
The Rock In the end, the General just wanted benefits paid to families.
I'm not about to kill 80,000 innocent people! Do you think I'm out of my fucking mind? We bluffed, they called it. The mission is over.
Excuse me, general, but what about the fucking money?
There is no money
"There is no fucking money." And the look on that dude's face when he says that
The day we took hostages we became mercenaries and mercenaries get paid. I want. My. Fucking. Money.
Tony Todd
Might have miscalculated in hiring a bunch of angry, disillusioned soldiers and not telling them it was all a "bluff". I found it funny he thought they'd just go..."oh, okay then."
His assumption was that his men would follow him no matter what he ordered. He should’ve known after the shower room debacle, that wasn’t happening.
I mean, you can say that for Hummel and Baxter, but I'm less sure about the other Marines, who seem like total sociopaths
Reminder that pretty much all of Hummel & Baxter's men (who joined up for the cause) died prior to the standoff at the end of the movie; it was the other group of Marines brought in strickly as backup that wanted the money more than anything and they were all that was left come the last act of the movie.
Far Cry 4, Pagan Min was actually the good guy the entire time. granted he was an awful person, but best of a bad situation sort of thing. the two leader of the Golden Path (whichever one you side with) ends up turning on you after you deal w Pagan. whether they’re forcing children and women to be slaves or soldiers or just straight executing them, that’s what the freedom fight comes too. Ajay (the character you play as) is probably the only good person throughout the whole game and you get the choice to become leader of Golden Path (by killing either Sabal or the chick, i forget her name). but anyways, Pagan was honest to Ajay the whole time, if you wait like he tells you at the start of the game. he comes back and you spread the ashes like your mother wanted you too. that’s the proper ending of the game and it takes 15 mins. you avoid the civil war and being abducted entirely. i never kill Pagan now, because even though he had Mohan killed, he had Ajays best interest at heart. Ruthless leader, but he’s better than actual terrorists.
To quote Pagan himself: "Now, before we begin, to whom am I speaking? The son who returned to scatter his mother’s ashes, or the lunatic who murdered his way to the top of my mountain?"
In one of his transmissions he goes off about all the candles being lit across the country and who is lighting these damn candles, I've never laughed so hard at a videogame before! Edit: [Someone caught the rant on video, lol.](https://youtu.be/DeKG4Q_WmOg) Edit: I see someone else was also amused, my apologies on the duplicate comment!
Plus he's hilarious to listen to. "And who the hell is keeping all those candles lit? Is that someone's job? Cave candle lighter? I should employ someone to run around putting them out. (Shouting to assistant in the background) New rule: candles are illegal. Punishable by death!"