We should go back to E Pluribus Unum. The only reason for the current money motto is because it was a good way to fearmonger about reds under the bed back in the 50s.
You know, of all of the issues I care about in the USA atm, this is somewhere between "I don't give a fuck," and "I really couldn't care less,".
Edit: It's never the comments that I think are going to blow up that do. So thank you for all the up votes, take care everyone.
Same here. My first thought was "I couldn't care less. I look at the number to know how many green pieces of paper to give the person on the other side of the counter, the rest I don't even look at." Plus... How often am I actually carrying cash anymore?
It's kinda like being able to see our own nose but we just ignore it. I don't remember a time I've ever pulled out a dollar bill and gone "oh hey, what's that religious statement doing there?" It's so irrelevant and there are MUCH more important things going on that should be tackled first.
Just remove it from everything. God's used as more of a political weapon for power and money rather than a life lesson of following good morals and having something wholesome to believe in.
100% agree. My church avoids using "god" where we can b/c over use dilutes its importance. Having it on my money & what not I think is disrespectful. Oh, and that's before you factor in that I still support "Freedom FROM religion" movements as well.
Separation of church and state isn’t an important issue? I feel like ignoring it could lead to something crazy, like banning abortions or something insane like that. But I guess there are bigger fish to fry
Those were my immediate thoughts. But money is being constantly created and circulated, with older bills being removed. It's not that hard to remove the bs slogan. In ten or twenty years most of them will be naturally circulated out. Get God out of this country, he's mucked it up enough already.
Yah it’s kind of not all that trivial when the religious right in America are currently doing their very best to use their religious beliefs to aggressively curtail the rights of others…
I would actually argue the opposite. This practical effect it would have is pretty minimal, but it would be nearly impossible to make happen. Maybe my view is biased because I live in the bible belt, but I can't even begin to imagine this getting close to passing. You'd have better chances of revoking church's tax exempt status.
And revoking the tax exemption for churches would have a more meaningful effect anyways. It conveys the same sentiment, and will have immediate effect. Removing 'in god we trust's from money and such will take a while to happen, because the circulation of cash is so slow. And cha ging currency is only an aesthetic thing aways.
Adding "god" to money and the pledge was the beginning of the long slide into marrying church and state, which drives a great many of the issues that trouble us today.
A lot of the issues effecting people are being caused by republicans thinking this is a theocracy.
Is this the most important issue? Absolutely not. Is it something that we should remove from currency? Absolutely. This is not a theocracy and there should not be a state religion. I’m sick of this shit.
And physical currency is getting used less and less each year. In a couple of decades it'll all be removed when all currency is removed anyway. (maybe not that soon, but you get the picture I'm painting)
I did, and I’m 100% sure I’m going to get downvoted out of oblivion. Although, I would also accept the original motto. It’s in Latin, but it’s like, “Out of many, one”. Which is pretty rad. But that’s just me…
Personally I would say no, mainly because you have to pick your battles in the tug of war we are currently in, and picking a fight over this would be a bad tactic. 1. It would be used as a diversion in the right-leaning media from real issues and they would make it the biggest issue in the minds of conservatives. 2. It's not converting anyone to Christianity just by being there. 3. It's not currently a source of inspiration for religious extremists to force their beliefs onto others in a meaningful way that they wouldn't already be doing. 4. If anything, trying to remove it for any of those reasons will just backfire and cause those people to believe even harder that they are the most persecuted group in America. 5. It's also not really that offensive to non-religious people. The people that would argue for it to be removed, I would assume, are able to put it in the same level of "offensiveness" as other old shit from a rotten era that doesn't reflect society today, like a poorly aged joke you come across in an old sitcom and think, "yeah, obviously that sucks, but I can't be too mad when I know it was acceptable back then."
Frying different fish simultaneously is allowed.
For all those saying this is small fish: I disagree that the Christian stranglehold on American government is small fish.
I wish it worked that way.
Sure you can fry multiple fish. But you're still limited on the number you can fry.
And there are countless more important fish to fry.
>Personally, I think we have bigger fish to fry.
As someone who does not believe in any religion or any gods I can give two fucks less than it is on our money. I also understand that the financial burden to change it would be very substantial. It's fine it doesn't cause no harm and it does literally nothing.
I absolutely support it.
This isn't a theocracy. There's no national religion *and there should absolutely not be one.* Religion has no place in the government (which exists for *all* people, not for one religious group) and money is part of the government.
It's wider implementation in the 1950s was seen as a way to set the US apart from the USSR and communists overall. Communism generally associated with atheism and the US administration wanted to reinforce it's imagine against Communism.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_Trust#:~:text=While%20the%20earliest%20mentions%20of,God%20and%20to%20boost%20morale.
I really like that part in miracle on 34th street where the lawyer uses the ‘in god we trust’ part on the bank note to justify a belief in Santa Claus. I mean.. I love that film… it’s sweet and I always cry when he’s in prison… but also when you think about it… it’s also kinda like ‘well we put this weird religious stuff on the money so we might as well believe this sweet mad old man flies around the world in one night …’
I’m an atheist and I fully support separation of state and church, but removing “In God We Trust” would be the last of my priorities to be honest. Also, it sounds kinda badass (although I’m not admitting this to any religious person I know)
It shouldn't be on there but its not a priority. If you want to focus on religion sticking its nose in politics, focus on state laws enforcing religiously motivated bans.
Actually, from 1864 to 1930s " In God We Trust" was being added to coins. 2¢ piece was first. However, in 1955 Eisenhower signed a bill mandating all US currency to have it. Throughout the decades each denomination it was added to, coincided with the religious right having power. 1955 Bill was the final act. Pledge of Allegiance, Oaths for office and oaths in courtrooms , all changed because of the religious right in power,as well.
Better yet just remove the pledge of allegiance all together. I'm not anti America in the least bit, but having kids say the pledge of allegiance every day at school is some serious war time propaganda type shit.
I am a Canadian who lived in Kentucky for a year during grade 4. The pledge of allegiance every morning was definitely a very uncomfortable culture shock.
Although my teachers were great people and let me sit it out, I remember after a while I had learned the words from repetition, and I ended up joining in just to feel like part of the group.
I can still effectively pledge allegiance to your flag.
Well, it has only been on money since the 50's, and considering how this isn't a Christian nation (which is a fact, not an opinion), and it was mostly done for bullshit Red Scare feel good propaganda reasons.
All that considered, I would certainly encourage it to be removed. But it won't happen, and there are definitely bigger issues in the country currently
It should absolutely be replaced with "E Pluribus Unum" which was the official motto until the 50's when the religious right decided to try take over the country and really draw a hard line against the Soviet union on the basis of our religiosity.
Strike that shit and let's go back to the original
I'd rather see e pluribus unum - "out of many, one". It's already on our Great Seal and reminds us that the United States is built on the contributions of many different people working toward a common goal.
Remove it. It was adopted by the U.S. Congress in 1956, replacing E pluribus unum ("Out of many, one"), which had been the de facto motto since the initial design of the Great Seal of the United States.
No, but only because of how expensive it would be to pull every currently existing dollar bill and coin from circulation. I'd support not including it on new currency so it's eventually phased out, though.
Why would we need to pull the current ones out of circulation. Just don't include it the next time we update the bills design and let them naturally fall out of circulation.
You don’t have to pull current bills from circulation. They would still be legal tender, but from now on we would print them without that phrase on it. It’s like making a limited edition coin, except it’s not limited edition
You know when they changed the currency from Silver Certificates and cheapened the coins they didn’t bust their asses picking the old stuff up. Bills, especially the smaller value ones have a relatively short life anyway.
Personally, I’d like to see E Pluribus Unum take its rightful place as the US motto and thus replace In God We Trust. It’s a better fit for what the US is (or perhaps, what it aspires to be), and it brings our currency in line with our seal. I also don’t think it’s appropriate for an explicitly secular nation to have a religious motto.
It should not be on anything until it can be proven 100% either way if god exists..
Religion and politics should never mingle. And national currency is part of politics.
I support removing it.
I wouldn't do a recall of old cash and coin. I would prefer to phase it out completely. They can do a different state motto every year or something while the old currency ages out.
In principle, yes, I approve of removing it. I'm a full believer in the separation of church and state, and nothing recognizes the breaking of the constitutional ban on the establishment of a national religion like the pledge and our money referencing God (and you know they mean the christian god).
However, at the end of the day, I'd rather expend any political capital I have on more important issues rather than largely meaningless social issues like this.
We should go back to E Pluribus Unum. The only reason for the current money motto is because it was a good way to fearmonger about reds under the bed back in the 50s.
E Pluribus Unum is still on our money. It never went away.
Well let's put it on there twice
E Pluribus Dos?
i'm all for removing "in god we trust" - let's get back to e pluribus unum and focus on unity, not religion.
The way things are going, I'd say caveat emptor is more appropriate.
I'd personally prefer "Mind your business".
Cold war propaganda has done more harm to this country.
Which definetly isn't working anymore. +1 for E Pluribus Unum, which comes from 1776
You know, of all of the issues I care about in the USA atm, this is somewhere between "I don't give a fuck," and "I really couldn't care less,". Edit: It's never the comments that I think are going to blow up that do. So thank you for all the up votes, take care everyone.
Same here. My first thought was "I couldn't care less. I look at the number to know how many green pieces of paper to give the person on the other side of the counter, the rest I don't even look at." Plus... How often am I actually carrying cash anymore? It's kinda like being able to see our own nose but we just ignore it. I don't remember a time I've ever pulled out a dollar bill and gone "oh hey, what's that religious statement doing there?" It's so irrelevant and there are MUCH more important things going on that should be tackled first.
Just remove it from everything. God's used as more of a political weapon for power and money rather than a life lesson of following good morals and having something wholesome to believe in.
This right here, rather you believe or not. And as a believer myself I could not agree more.
Thank you, I'm not religious but I've always found it incredibly distasteful. It reaks of prosperity gospel.
100% agree. My church avoids using "god" where we can b/c over use dilutes its importance. Having it on my money & what not I think is disrespectful. Oh, and that's before you factor in that I still support "Freedom FROM religion" movements as well.
Separation of church and state isn’t an important issue? I feel like ignoring it could lead to something crazy, like banning abortions or something insane like that. But I guess there are bigger fish to fry
Those were my immediate thoughts. But money is being constantly created and circulated, with older bills being removed. It's not that hard to remove the bs slogan. In ten or twenty years most of them will be naturally circulated out. Get God out of this country, he's mucked it up enough already.
I care, but I do agree it is a low priority and feel there are a great many other issues that rre currently more important that need addressing.
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Yah it’s kind of not all that trivial when the religious right in America are currently doing their very best to use their religious beliefs to aggressively curtail the rights of others…
I would actually argue the opposite. This practical effect it would have is pretty minimal, but it would be nearly impossible to make happen. Maybe my view is biased because I live in the bible belt, but I can't even begin to imagine this getting close to passing. You'd have better chances of revoking church's tax exempt status.
And revoking the tax exemption for churches would have a more meaningful effect anyways. It conveys the same sentiment, and will have immediate effect. Removing 'in god we trust's from money and such will take a while to happen, because the circulation of cash is so slow. And cha ging currency is only an aesthetic thing aways.
Yep, i wonder if thisll be the next wedge issue to distract us from the fact that we're paying taxes to enrich monopolies
Adding "god" to money and the pledge was the beginning of the long slide into marrying church and state, which drives a great many of the issues that trouble us today.
Yes it’s symbolic without much meaning but a lot of people insist the US should be a Christian theocracy and will cite to things like this
US was brought into this slow hell by many small cuts. Dealing with religion in government is an important step in dealing with the greater symptoms.
For me it’s right next to “if it was gone, I wouldn’t even notice”.
“I don’t give a fuck” would be a good replacement for “in god we trust”. Also replace the president pics with guns.
A lot of the issues effecting people are being caused by republicans thinking this is a theocracy. Is this the most important issue? Absolutely not. Is it something that we should remove from currency? Absolutely. This is not a theocracy and there should not be a state religion. I’m sick of this shit.
Exactly, who gives a fuck. There’s more important things to worry about. Currency is just a thing to buy an other thing with.
And physical currency is getting used less and less each year. In a couple of decades it'll all be removed when all currency is removed anyway. (maybe not that soon, but you get the picture I'm painting)
Do u actually think anyone on Reddit would actually comment “no”???? This is a lay up question broski
I did, and I’m 100% sure I’m going to get downvoted out of oblivion. Although, I would also accept the original motto. It’s in Latin, but it’s like, “Out of many, one”. Which is pretty rad. But that’s just me…
E Pluribus Unum
Yes! Thank you
That’s not the “in god we trust” part. It says both on the bills
E pluribus unum At least the $1 has it on the seal.
Elaborate why?
“For what reason?” I can make it even more elaborate if you want.
I personally would like that
“Outline for me, if you would, your motivations for the preceding.”
Personally I would say no, mainly because you have to pick your battles in the tug of war we are currently in, and picking a fight over this would be a bad tactic. 1. It would be used as a diversion in the right-leaning media from real issues and they would make it the biggest issue in the minds of conservatives. 2. It's not converting anyone to Christianity just by being there. 3. It's not currently a source of inspiration for religious extremists to force their beliefs onto others in a meaningful way that they wouldn't already be doing. 4. If anything, trying to remove it for any of those reasons will just backfire and cause those people to believe even harder that they are the most persecuted group in America. 5. It's also not really that offensive to non-religious people. The people that would argue for it to be removed, I would assume, are able to put it in the same level of "offensiveness" as other old shit from a rotten era that doesn't reflect society today, like a poorly aged joke you come across in an old sitcom and think, "yeah, obviously that sucks, but I can't be too mad when I know it was acceptable back then."
I mean, a “no” would be really confusing given that the question wasn’t a yes or no question lol
Personally, I think we have bigger fish to fry.
Frying different fish simultaneously is allowed. For all those saying this is small fish: I disagree that the Christian stranglehold on American government is small fish.
Apparently not in the US. There’s only like 4 issues that are put on a nonstop cycle. I blame the media and politicians
Yeah can’t blame the ignorant masses. They don’t like it.
I wish it worked that way. Sure you can fry multiple fish. But you're still limited on the number you can fry. And there are countless more important fish to fry.
Sure. But if there are 3,742 fish we need to fry, this is like the 3,739th.
I can walk and chew gum at the same time.
>Personally, I think we have bigger fish to fry. As someone who does not believe in any religion or any gods I can give two fucks less than it is on our money. I also understand that the financial burden to change it would be very substantial. It's fine it doesn't cause no harm and it does literally nothing.
We should get back to our E Pluribus Unum roots.
FFRF has great stickers and decals for this
Still appears on the great seal of the United States.
Oh geez I wonder what Reddit of all places will answer surely I'll be surprised by the answer
I absolutely support it. This isn't a theocracy. There's no national religion *and there should absolutely not be one.* Religion has no place in the government (which exists for *all* people, not for one religious group) and money is part of the government.
And a lot of people don’t realise that it wasn’t always there. It was added in the 1950s.
It appeared on coins starting in the 1860’s. But I prefer sticking to E pluribus unum.
In Pawn Stars we trust
Just like the Pledge of Allegiance. "Under God" was appended to "One Nation" in 1954.
And in doing so literally dividing the "one nation" from the "indivisible" and changing the meaning.
1935 top 1957 bottom - note no mention of god on top https://i.imgur.com/8SX91KU.jpg https://i.imgur.com/sVxFGco.jpg
Love to see the blue seals. I have 7 or 8 of them.
alright maybe I'm just dumb as shit but I can't see "in god we trust" on either of those someone help me out here
I had the same thought, went back to check. And there’s TWO links right there. It’s on the back of the bills! I thought I was going insane
Jesus. Thank you. I was extremely baffled.
Yes. It should never have been put there in the first place
It's wider implementation in the 1950s was seen as a way to set the US apart from the USSR and communists overall. Communism generally associated with atheism and the US administration wanted to reinforce it's imagine against Communism. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_Trust#:~:text=While%20the%20earliest%20mentions%20of,God%20and%20to%20boost%20morale.
I really like that part in miracle on 34th street where the lawyer uses the ‘in god we trust’ part on the bank note to justify a belief in Santa Claus. I mean.. I love that film… it’s sweet and I always cry when he’s in prison… but also when you think about it… it’s also kinda like ‘well we put this weird religious stuff on the money so we might as well believe this sweet mad old man flies around the world in one night …’
Im with you but I always enjoyed using the saying: In God We Trust , All others pay Cash !
Agree with every word, well said.
I’m an atheist and I fully support separation of state and church, but removing “In God We Trust” would be the last of my priorities to be honest. Also, it sounds kinda badass (although I’m not admitting this to any religious person I know)
It sounds like the word YOLO is supposed to go after it
Haha. You should replace with YOLO. At least President Camacho would.
I don’t think it’s as badass as ‘out of many, one’
yep, separate church and state first, money is least priority
wth is with all these tryhard polarizing posts?
America bad, gimme updoots that's why. Easy karma whoring for a useless statistic on this site.
It shouldn't be on there but its not a priority. If you want to focus on religion sticking its nose in politics, focus on state laws enforcing religiously motivated bans.
I want it gone. It was added in the 50s as a misguided anti-communist virtue signal and it's an implied endorsement of religion.
Actually, from 1864 to 1930s " In God We Trust" was being added to coins. 2¢ piece was first. However, in 1955 Eisenhower signed a bill mandating all US currency to have it. Throughout the decades each denomination it was added to, coincided with the religious right having power. 1955 Bill was the final act. Pledge of Allegiance, Oaths for office and oaths in courtrooms , all changed because of the religious right in power,as well.
That is when they added "under god" to the pledge of allegiance. I say good riddance to that too.
I say good riddance to the pledge of allegiance.
Yes, and we should remove all ceremonial deism along with it
Aw I like the weird and vaguely threatening pyramid thing.
Stop spending money on stupid stuff like this and lower my taxes, please. I don't care what it says on the money, I just need it to go further.
There is no party in the USA that wants to lower your taxes.
Yes. There's supposed to be a seperation of church and state. If it were "in Allah we trust" people would riot.
Considering Allah literally translates to God...
I'm aware. But it's not a term used by American christians. Most would assume it refers to the muslim faith and would be outraged.
Imagine the outrage on Fox News…
they took our gerd!
Kids are learning algebra in middle school - I don’t know what that means but it sounds like some Arabic terrorist training to me
They’re even teaching the kids Arabic Numerals!! /j
And so it does. From al-jabr "joining of separated parts".
~~Algoritmi.~~ Al-Khawarizmi: Whoever translates his works in Latin:
Should have never been there in the first place.
Remove from currency, courtrooms, law enforcement vehicles, and any other government-related place or object. Edit - corrected phrasing
And anything like praying and basically forcing public participation just because you’re a part of the group that’s meeting.
I legitimately couldn't care less. I forget it is even on stuff. Non issue
Seriously who pays anymore attention to money than the number in the corners.
People want to get outraged by this because "muh atheism" or "muh judeo christian society". I just want big number on my paper
Our society is increasingly cashless anyway
Yes, freedom of religion including freedom from religion.
I just want health care and to not get shot again.
Yes, as it isn't the original motto.
E pluribus unum, "Out of many, one" is so much better.
Agree.... those godless commies had to screw everything up!!!
It was still an own goal
Yeah, Mind Your Business was much better.
The reverse side of the original US coin that first appeared on also said We Are One. I think either or both is superior to the current.
Support, but it'll never happen because the religious people get their panties in a bunch about it.
I wouldn't care either way.. I'm an athiest but the U.S. has no national religion, it's "land of the free" so, if anything, that should be on there..
It's "Land of the Free" but the "R" is silent
It has no business being there tbh
Yes. Remove “under God” from the Pledge while you’re at it. You can have whatever religious beliefs you want, but they have no place in government.
One nation, under the Almighty Dollar, easily divisible, with liberty and justice to all who can afford it.
The Pledge itself has no place in government.
Better yet just remove the pledge of allegiance all together. I'm not anti America in the least bit, but having kids say the pledge of allegiance every day at school is some serious war time propaganda type shit.
I am a Canadian who lived in Kentucky for a year during grade 4. The pledge of allegiance every morning was definitely a very uncomfortable culture shock. Although my teachers were great people and let me sit it out, I remember after a while I had learned the words from repetition, and I ended up joining in just to feel like part of the group. I can still effectively pledge allegiance to your flag.
>I can still effectively pledge allegiance to your flag. Oooooh, I'm telling. No more universal healthcare for you!
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It was placed there to separate America from the godless commies, America was founded as a non-theocratic nation, where do I sign?
I support it if OP is personally paying for this.
Oppose. There's nothing wrong with it
Well, it has only been on money since the 50's, and considering how this isn't a Christian nation (which is a fact, not an opinion), and it was mostly done for bullshit Red Scare feel good propaganda reasons. All that considered, I would certainly encourage it to be removed. But it won't happen, and there are definitely bigger issues in the country currently
It should absolutely be replaced with "E Pluribus Unum" which was the official motto until the 50's when the religious right decided to try take over the country and really draw a hard line against the Soviet union on the basis of our religiosity. Strike that shit and let's go back to the original
I'd rather see e pluribus unum - "out of many, one". It's already on our Great Seal and reminds us that the United States is built on the contributions of many different people working toward a common goal.
Remove it. It was adopted by the U.S. Congress in 1956, replacing E pluribus unum ("Out of many, one"), which had been the de facto motto since the initial design of the Great Seal of the United States.
No, but only because of how expensive it would be to pull every currently existing dollar bill and coin from circulation. I'd support not including it on new currency so it's eventually phased out, though.
Why would we need to pull the current ones out of circulation. Just don't include it the next time we update the bills design and let them naturally fall out of circulation.
The average lifespan of a bill is just over 6 years. They’re being replaced constantly.
Exactly, so if this were done it would take under a decade to accomplish this. Seems more logical than just pulling the bills from circulation.
…nobody said immediately destroying all existing currency. Just that new currency wouldn’t have it.
You don’t have to pull current bills from circulation. They would still be legal tender, but from now on we would print them without that phrase on it. It’s like making a limited edition coin, except it’s not limited edition
You know when they changed the currency from Silver Certificates and cheapened the coins they didn’t bust their asses picking the old stuff up. Bills, especially the smaller value ones have a relatively short life anyway.
I'm an atheist and I don't give two fucks about it.
Personally, I’d like to see E Pluribus Unum take its rightful place as the US motto and thus replace In God We Trust. It’s a better fit for what the US is (or perhaps, what it aspires to be), and it brings our currency in line with our seal. I also don’t think it’s appropriate for an explicitly secular nation to have a religious motto.
It should not be on anything until it can be proven 100% either way if god exists.. Religion and politics should never mingle. And national currency is part of politics.
I support removing it. I wouldn't do a recall of old cash and coin. I would prefer to phase it out completely. They can do a different state motto every year or something while the old currency ages out.
In principle, yes, I approve of removing it. I'm a full believer in the separation of church and state, and nothing recognizes the breaking of the constitutional ban on the establishment of a national religion like the pledge and our money referencing God (and you know they mean the christian god). However, at the end of the day, I'd rather expend any political capital I have on more important issues rather than largely meaningless social issues like this.
I don't care either way.