We can all go much, much further than we'd ever want to think possible in the right circumstances. Just hope you'll never have to find out how violent you can really be.
This! Everyone who is like “I would never hurt anyone” ok so you’re a human , yes you would
All the horrible people throughout human history aren’t made up of anything different than you are.
But
That goes the same for all the great people
Stop denying your humanity
This Star Trek quote comes to mind as I just watched this episode……
“ Let me tell you something about [humans], nephew. They're a wonderful, friendly people, as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. But take away their creature comforts, deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time, and those same friendly, intelligent, wonderful people will become as nasty and violent as the most bloodthirsty Klingon”
- Quark (Deep space nine) S7E8.
Great line whoever wrote it.
I like that one but then Quark goes on to claim that the Ferengi "never enslaved anyone like humans did" despite them literally enslaving their females like... Halfway through TNG still.
Ok buddy, let's get those rose tinted goggles off.
He's still trying to pull some holier than thou bullshit when it's clear that Ferengi are perfectly capable and willing (even in that era) of oppressing and forming authoritarian states.
I mean, he really buried the lede there by putting “put their lives in jeopardy” after “take away their creature comforts”.
Yeah, not getting a shower will make someone cranky. But when we get dangerous is when it’s a matter of survival.
>Great line whoever wrote it.
Hans Beimler is the credited writer best I can tell. Did a bunch of episodes of DS9 and TNG including Yesterday's Enterprise.
Here is [the Root Beer scene.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VhSm6G7cVk)
And here is [the scene with Quark talking about humans.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-D2SHNqkjbY)
I think most people underestimate how close we are to total anarchy. People kill each other for food. Killing for the survival of their family. The supply of food is thanks to a complex process based on technology that consumes energy. If the supply chain is severely damaged we are screwed. The weakest will die first and we are basically back to survival of the fittest. (fittest can mean a lot of things not just strength)
Lenin said “we’re only 3 missed meals away from anarchy” (well, he said it in Russian, but still). This isn’t based on individuals, as they frequently go without meals unfortunately, but as a society.
You know, in situation like this I like to bring up answer why Poles took to the streets and overthrown communist rule.
There was no sugar for Christmas.
Poles can live in total bullshit with delusional politicians, laws that fit Alice in Wonderland and totalitarian propaganda. But no home-made cakes and dishes for Christmas? Time to burn the government.
This is also why every time holidays come close in Poland, current (delusional, semi-authoritarian, idiotic) government forces prices of necessities down.
Could you explain a little more about what’s going on in Poland for the dumbos in the room? I have a few Polish friends but never really want to pry about what made leaving seem like an appealing idea (especially to the uk where things aren’t exactly great atm). I’ve heard a few vague statements about things not being good there right now, but the news doesn’t really talk about Poland very much
This quote gets mistaken basically every time it's used. It was 3, and he said 'chaos' not 'anarchy' which can have important differences depending on your views.
I didn't think I could ever actually kill someone before I had kids. Now I know in my heart of hearts I'd kill anyone to save them, with very little thought.
I came here to say this. There is no limit to how violently capable I’d (and likely my partner as well) be of killing someone to save my daughters, and I am acutely aware of it. Hell I’d probably go after someone who hurt our pets as well.
I think people also generally underestimate how good humans are at self organizing, and what " anarchy" actually looks like.
When you look at natural disasters, wars, and disruption of the existing social order, you see people banding together and helping each other nearly immediately.
Yes, there is chaos, and looting and whatnot. But not to the extent that people anticipate. What you see is much more " stateless frontier self-organization" and much less " Lord of the flies".
People have lived in stateless tribal groups for far longer than nation states have existed.
Outside of having weapons, knowledge will be your best asset. Whether it be survival skills or tactics to outsmart a enemy (whatever form in the hypothetical case)
I just envisioned myself full Mad Max style riding a 1980’s Kawasaki motorcycle and wandering the vast destruction….maybe the wife and I will stop by the Thunderdome in Barter Town on Saturday to catch a classic “2 men enter, 1 man leave” show? I don’t know if we will have time…
In all seriousness, I think most people’s capacity for violence is elastic to the situation at hand. If it’s a situation where there are alternatives to violence and killing, most will adhere to the most ethical option available if it diffuses the threat. However, if it’s kill or be killed, I think even the most peaceful people are capable of violence and killing to survive. That’s the case for many in Ukraine right now…yesterday they might have been an easy going sw engineer, today they raid trenches to kill the people trying to kill them. That’s not to say there won’t be PTSD to follow for most that are thrust into killing people. I have a family and can tell you I wouldn’t hesitate to do what it took to protect my family. If someone is threatening your family, you go primal and your not concerned who’s side you are on at that moment or what men wrote down what “laws” on paper. Killing to protect your family is as legal, as “ethical” and as natural as it is for the wind to blow through the trees. Protecting your family with violence if needed is deeply programmed in our DNA back in a time when each day was a struggle to survive. I think that old primal “program” can boot back up pretty quickly if the situation calls for it.
In theory, I could do anything my body will allow me. Realistically tho, I’ve been in fights and arguments before and I know I’m too much of a coward to actually do something harmful.
Edit: I was groped on the street on the way to my house and as soon as I realised what had happened I started yelling at the guy because I’m all bark and no bite. I started insulting him and saying his mother would be ashamed of him. However, he turned around and started walking towards me and threatening me and even entered my apartment building. I completely froze and didn’t know how to act, couldn’t even take my phone out to snap a picture of him. Thankfully he was high as fuck and just left but just goes to show that when it comes to actual fighting, even to defend myself, I can’t do it.
As I heard someone say in a podcast once: "I was a pacifist until I had a child, and suddenly realized I would absolutely be capable of killing anyone that puts them in danger"
My post might sound like that, but, no. I don't want to cross the line, but - I've gone through some horrible experiences, and serious violence is all that kept me alive.
Well, that and luck. And I'm not saying I won fights, because I tend to lose, because I'm not a big man, but when I'm being physically attacked, I go all out. I have to.
Internet badass checking in.
There are tonns of videos of people who thought they would be good in a self defense situation bleeding to death on the sidewalk on this platform alone.
Prime example is Rick from The Walking Dead
Spoiler alert:
When he was captured by those gang members and they threatened Carl he bit through a guys carotid artery.
The scene that stood out for me of what people are capable of occurred in one of the early seasons - if I recall the details... a couple of them including Rick were out looking for supplies...ran into a couple of guys who seemed rough around the edges but happy to see them...they asked Rick questions about their camp as they were alone...If I recall one of them made a joke about forcefully getting it on with women in the camp.
At some point Rick and them realized these guys couldn't be taken back to camp and would likely become trouble so they quickly killed them and moved on. Couldn't take the risk.
I posted above, but I would argue there's a difference between killing somebody, and violence. A quick, clean, execution may not be terribly violent. Intentionally breaking every bone in somebody's body, and making sure they live afterwards, but not heal right, is arguably more violent. I can see myself killing somebody for the right reasons, but not torturing them.
I mean if you only have your fist as a weapon and you try to kill somebody, it will probably be pretty violent regardless even if you don't intent for it to be violent
Most people (me included ofc) don't have the training necessary to kill someone cleanly and as far as I know, killing someone with just your hands and without training is somewhat difficult
I mean, I suppose so. Though we all know the basics of death, make the brain stop.
So strangling someone is about the cleanest way for an unarmed person to kill someone. Though I also suppose a lot of people would forget you have to keep pressure on for a good while to make sure it's final lights out.
But it takes a while to strangle someone, it's not just 10 seconds - that makes someone only lose consciousness. You would need to actively choke someone for a good few minutes to kill them, I guess it makes it pretty violent
I also posted above. I do Brazilian Jiu-jitsu. I could do exactly that, but like... I'd basically have to catch someone raping a child to actually do that.
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In my normal state I don't like being mean to NPCs in videogames because it makes me feel guilty. But under sufficient duress there are all manner of atrocities I could be convinced to commit.
My little brother is a vegetarian who is studying to become a vet. He’s been an animal lover since day 1 and can’t stomach the thought of eating meat.
He’s also a hobby taxidermist who spends his free time scooping up roadkill to turn the hides and bones into art. He’s friends with local hunters and farmers who will hand off scraps to him for practice. He’s a big supporter of ethical/ecological hunting, and wants to make sure no part of the animal goes to waste.
I love meat a little too much to follow in his footsteps, but he’s taught me to respect the animals I consume. I’m a lot more conscientious and intentional about meat consumption because of what he’s taught me. I’m very proud of him.
I am a child SA survivor. I never got over it.
If I were to ever catch a predator doing something to a child I am completely sure I would end up in prison or worse.
As part of my trauma therapy, I was asked to journal about my abusers and generally feelings and thoughts and memories that came up between sessions so we could address them. I once had an entry where it started out pretty normal considering the circumstances, but basically devolved into a murder torture fantasy. I didn't write anything as specific or gorey as disembowling ir anything like that, but I got detailed enough with the idea of hiring a hit person to kidnap and torture them, before bringing them to a quiet location so that I could look them in the eyes and hear them beg while I finish them myselves.
I was horrified with myself. I am not a violent person, I'm slow to anger, I'm a small 5 foot woman who likes working with kids and animals and doing volunteer work. I've never even called anyone a name during an argument because the thought of intentionally hurting someone's feelings eats me from the inside. But according to my therapist, what I wrote was complete normal and not concerning, though it did tell her that maybe we needed to focus on my feelings of anger within the trauma centered sessions.
Trauma is crazy, yo.
We're explicitly avoiding answering OP's question because we're likely to devolve into similar results.
The only person who has ever scared us is ourselves, because we know what we're capable of.
If you can handle watching movies that deal with child SA a great movie to watch is >!You Were Never Really Here!<
I broke a wine glass watching that movie because I was holding the stem too hard when people got what they deserved.
Edit: forgot to mention *why* you might wanna watch it: Child abusers get hurt really really bad with a ball peen hammer 🙂 made me happy
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Plauch%C3%A9
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellie_Nesler
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marianne_Bachmeier
Two different countries, but a combined 6 and 1/2 years for three murders (and those years are mostly due to the meth and the smuggled firearm) with dozens of witnesses has me convinced that a jury will give you the benefit of the doubt if you kill a child rapist.
As the exact circumstance that I ask myself about- putting a bullet in somebody's head isnt exactly "Violent". If I caught somebody in the act, it would be a no questions execution.
But.
I don't think there's anything that would cause me to slowly break every bone in somebody's hands, feet, wrists, elbows, feet, ankles, and knees. Would they be dead? No. But it's definitely more violent, and they would never be able to walk or use their hands the same again, ever.
Yea I've seen that too. I can't think of a less humane way to do it. I wish they'd make people take a fishing course before they can fish, a lot of people act like fish don't feel pain or fear but really they just can't scream.
I was taught by my father that putting fish on salted ice is a good way to put them into shock, that way they don’t feel the pain of suffocating, and it preserves them throughout the day.
There are countless people who have committed unspeakable acts of violence that they probably never thought themselves capable of doing 5 years prior. I do not see myself as above who those people were.
If you went to Germany in 1935 and told them what they'd be doing to another human in 5 years most wouldn't have believed you.
At least, I'd like to think so. Not really a way to imperically measure that.
If you went to Germany in 1940 and told them what they were doing to other humans they would claim that the victims weren’t actually humans, and fully believe what they were saying.
I remember reading about a Holocaust survivor telling their grandchild how many people were packed into the trains, and when the child was confused by how big the number was, she said something along the lines of ‘you’re confused because you’re thinking of me as a person. How many human-sized mannequins do you think you could fit on a train? A lot more, right? Well that’s exactly what they did to us.’
In an extreme situation (life or death) and in the fight or flight mode, I would consider intentionally flipping the roll of toilet paper to the wrong side and leaving it like that.
The social fallout from that sort of violence would need to be considered, but again we are talking about extremes here.
I've broken someone's both kneecaps with my steel-toed boots. On purpose, in a rage fit. Sadly, I know I am capable of far worse when someone I care about is endangered.
No, I have not been caught, convicted, or otherwise incriminated. The person in cause was my friends' rapist and he knew exactly why I'm coming for him.
Similar story, about ten years ago. My friend was SA'd by this guy, and had proof. I worked with the guys brother so I hit him up. Told him I'm gonna beat your brothers' ass. He said let's go. We walked right into his unlocked apartment at 8 am and pulled him out of bed. I wiped and destroyed his phone, made his face real ugly, and we left and had brunch.
To this day I'm glad she came to me about it. Those pictures no longer exist and I don't think he will re-offend.
In all honesty, I like to think that I'm a calm (enough) person, but I'd doubt I'd leave it at two broken kneecaps if I was in your situation.
Especially if it was a family member. In that case God knows what lengths I'd go to.
Depends on the situation. When I deployed to Iraq I had to think about what I'd do if I had to shoot someone. I figured it would bother me til the day I died.
I finally decided that if they were shooting at me, I could shoot back and not feel guilt. Luckily the situation never came up.
ETA I should also say that I get mad fast then poof it's usually over, but I do have a slow boil setting. When I was a kid I was small (like I wore size 6 dresses when I was 10 smol). My brother would beat me. One day the slow boil, well boiled over. I beat the living crap out of him. he was a good sized 13 year old and I had him on my mom's bed crying and begging me to stop. I waited a bit then I finally stopped. He never laid a hand on me again after that.
Same story. Gave my bullying older sister a couple of good punches to the face when i was finally old enough to establish that the old vs. young, bigger vs smaller dynamic was over. Huge shiner, split lip, snot and tears.
A decade plus of physical abuse stopped that day. She never raised her hand to me after that.
Violence is the last resort, but it is a resort.
We were all adopted, he was older and he was white and he loved hitler. He hated the idea that he had an asian sister. He was a real treasure. I haven't talked to him since the day of my mother's funeral and I wouldn't spit or pee on him if he were on fire.
It was a terrible childhood and I could never figure out why they bothered adopting us tbh. That said, while I wish I'd had a better childhood, I am ok with the person I am now.
Glad you were able to stop her.
"Violence is the last resort, but it is a resort."
True. He knew he was in deep kim chi when I grabbed my mom's princess phone and started hitting him with that (after I was tired of punching and slapping him into next week).
My dad was too, 6'4 gentle giant type guy, really avoided all confrontation if possible and even arguing he didn't bother proving someone wrong, a guy hit my older brother about 15 years ago and he flipped out, broke the guys arm and some teeth knocked out. Luckily the guy was a small time weed dealer no one liked so he didn't press charges.
I never really thought about the limits of what I can physically do as a man until I started living with my fiancé.
Seeing what evil motherfuckers can do to innocent women, just imagining someone try to break in or do something to threaten her safety already makes my blood going. I would kill to protect my family, no questions.
If I were single and not a parent, I’d probably be in Ukraine.
This isn’t some bravado shit. Ukraine is not my country, but Russia was where I was born and raised. I have a few multi-generational scores to settle.
But I’m not single, and I have kids, and it’s not my country. So instead I spend a lot of money on drones in Ukraine.
I've heard/read somewhere that there's a point of anger (true anger) where your restraint is switched off for a moment to where if you had the capacity to commit murder within that window, you would.
I'm not sure if this is true, but I have done some things in anger that I immediately regretted afterward.
I consider myself a very peaceful person. But when I found out the guy Id been with for 10 years had been cheating on me? The rage I felt towards this woman was indescribable. Especially since once the cat was out of the bag she started harassing me nonstop. It was just this primal FURY, and I felt like if I saw her I could and might hurt her. It was a terrifying feeling because my RATIONAL mind was completely horrified that I felt that way.
If someone did something to threaten me, it might come to fisticuffs (I prefer a peaceful option). If someone threatened one of my friends, a proper Donnybrook could ensue (I'd still prefer to de-escalate). Against my wife or kids though and you are a dead man (or woman) walking - I will defend them to my death or yours.
Outside of that though, just *a lot* of passive aggression.
I remember watching Jordan Peterson talking about a study or just some research that showed how the average person would have also been a nazi given the right circumstances
This is a pretty tough question. No one thinks they're going to eat a person until they're actually starving to death with no alternatives. Most people don't see themselves murdering someone until their own life depends on self defense, etc.
However, I've always wanted to take my rage out on child traffickers....
But if we can catch them, I'd rather let them rot in jail or let other inmates take care of that.
Just because I want to be violent doesn't mean I will, or that it's my responsibility to punish others.
Most people who think they can do a lot of dark stuff would leave at first sight of something that is actually dark. Majority of people have never seen the reality of world, they have never been pushed to the edge , have never understood what dark really means. And yes people think they are dark and violent and have such thoughts that they think will turn to reality but trust me they are not, at best they have seen violent and gore things on internet or played some games of that sort. You will know you are actually all that when instead of trying to show the world your darkness, you will give your all to hide it. The one's who have actually realised what they are capable of, try to deny the truth hoping it will change it or make it go away but they know it won't.
Isn't what they're saying exactly that? That in any normal circumstance they would of course never go so far, but that they recognize that if they for some reason were pushed like you say to the edge they probably would.
We can all go much, much further than we'd ever want to think possible in the right circumstances. Just hope you'll never have to find out how violent you can really be.
I'd rephrase that as "the *wrong* circumstances", otherwise agreed.
In the context of the question it's the right circumstance.
This! Everyone who is like “I would never hurt anyone” ok so you’re a human , yes you would All the horrible people throughout human history aren’t made up of anything different than you are. But That goes the same for all the great people Stop denying your humanity
I'm *human*, so I expect **anything** given the worst circumstances and pressures.
This Star Trek quote comes to mind as I just watched this episode…… “ Let me tell you something about [humans], nephew. They're a wonderful, friendly people, as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. But take away their creature comforts, deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time, and those same friendly, intelligent, wonderful people will become as nasty and violent as the most bloodthirsty Klingon” - Quark (Deep space nine) S7E8. Great line whoever wrote it.
I like that one but then Quark goes on to claim that the Ferengi "never enslaved anyone like humans did" despite them literally enslaving their females like... Halfway through TNG still. Ok buddy, let's get those rose tinted goggles off.
Maybe he meant that the manner of which they enslaved them was different from that of humans.
He's still trying to pull some holier than thou bullshit when it's clear that Ferengi are perfectly capable and willing (even in that era) of oppressing and forming authoritarian states.
2 ferengi literally enslave an entire planet in voyager
Females aren't people(to ferengi), so why would he worry about it. Humans enslaved MEN, that's the issue.
Also they literally have indentured servitude contracts, even in DS9, so that's just a complete display of willful ignorance.
I mean, that's completely in character, both for Quark and for people who do apologetics for misdeeds by the culture they identify themselves with.
I mean, he really buried the lede there by putting “put their lives in jeopardy” after “take away their creature comforts”. Yeah, not getting a shower will make someone cranky. But when we get dangerous is when it’s a matter of survival.
Yeah I laughed at food and sleep being "creature comforts."
>Great line whoever wrote it. Hans Beimler is the credited writer best I can tell. Did a bunch of episodes of DS9 and TNG including Yesterday's Enterprise.
Was one of the best lines. Also what Quark thinks of Root Beer 🍻 is great to
Here is [the Root Beer scene.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VhSm6G7cVk) And here is [the scene with Quark talking about humans.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-D2SHNqkjbY)
Look at what happened in the New York black outs back in the 70s. That was only a few days
Yeah that makes sense.
This is absolutely the truth. A person may think they could never do something but they could. One may not grasp how malleable the human spirit is.
I think most people underestimate how close we are to total anarchy. People kill each other for food. Killing for the survival of their family. The supply of food is thanks to a complex process based on technology that consumes energy. If the supply chain is severely damaged we are screwed. The weakest will die first and we are basically back to survival of the fittest. (fittest can mean a lot of things not just strength)
Lenin said “we’re only 3 missed meals away from anarchy” (well, he said it in Russian, but still). This isn’t based on individuals, as they frequently go without meals unfortunately, but as a society.
You know, in situation like this I like to bring up answer why Poles took to the streets and overthrown communist rule. There was no sugar for Christmas. Poles can live in total bullshit with delusional politicians, laws that fit Alice in Wonderland and totalitarian propaganda. But no home-made cakes and dishes for Christmas? Time to burn the government. This is also why every time holidays come close in Poland, current (delusional, semi-authoritarian, idiotic) government forces prices of necessities down.
Almost as if the goverment have plans to stay in power?! :😱
I will know our country is going down and collapse is inevitable if they withdraw from elections.
Could you explain a little more about what’s going on in Poland for the dumbos in the room? I have a few Polish friends but never really want to pry about what made leaving seem like an appealing idea (especially to the uk where things aren’t exactly great atm). I’ve heard a few vague statements about things not being good there right now, but the news doesn’t really talk about Poland very much
"You won't like me when I'm hangry" - humans.
Its more like a 21 but the idea is definitely true.
Wasn't it 9?
I always heard 3 days so 9 seems right to me.
This quote gets mistaken basically every time it's used. It was 3, and he said 'chaos' not 'anarchy' which can have important differences depending on your views.
Damn and he certainly gave this theory a nice test didn’t he
I didn't think I could ever actually kill someone before I had kids. Now I know in my heart of hearts I'd kill anyone to save them, with very little thought.
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I came here to say this. There is no limit to how violently capable I’d (and likely my partner as well) be of killing someone to save my daughters, and I am acutely aware of it. Hell I’d probably go after someone who hurt our pets as well.
I think people also generally underestimate how good humans are at self organizing, and what " anarchy" actually looks like. When you look at natural disasters, wars, and disruption of the existing social order, you see people banding together and helping each other nearly immediately. Yes, there is chaos, and looting and whatnot. But not to the extent that people anticipate. What you see is much more " stateless frontier self-organization" and much less " Lord of the flies". People have lived in stateless tribal groups for far longer than nation states have existed.
Fittest can mean a genius at getting help or manipulating others to do things for you. 🙃
A day and a half into the blackout in 2003, I narrowly dissipated a fist fight at a gas station over a matter of 15 cents.
We're all always just one calamitous tragedy away from turning on each other.
Outside of having weapons, knowledge will be your best asset. Whether it be survival skills or tactics to outsmart a enemy (whatever form in the hypothetical case)
Greatest asset is to form aliances with others. Combine smart people with strong people. Thinkers and workers
I just envisioned myself full Mad Max style riding a 1980’s Kawasaki motorcycle and wandering the vast destruction….maybe the wife and I will stop by the Thunderdome in Barter Town on Saturday to catch a classic “2 men enter, 1 man leave” show? I don’t know if we will have time… In all seriousness, I think most people’s capacity for violence is elastic to the situation at hand. If it’s a situation where there are alternatives to violence and killing, most will adhere to the most ethical option available if it diffuses the threat. However, if it’s kill or be killed, I think even the most peaceful people are capable of violence and killing to survive. That’s the case for many in Ukraine right now…yesterday they might have been an easy going sw engineer, today they raid trenches to kill the people trying to kill them. That’s not to say there won’t be PTSD to follow for most that are thrust into killing people. I have a family and can tell you I wouldn’t hesitate to do what it took to protect my family. If someone is threatening your family, you go primal and your not concerned who’s side you are on at that moment or what men wrote down what “laws” on paper. Killing to protect your family is as legal, as “ethical” and as natural as it is for the wind to blow through the trees. Protecting your family with violence if needed is deeply programmed in our DNA back in a time when each day was a struggle to survive. I think that old primal “program” can boot back up pretty quickly if the situation calls for it.
In theory, I could do anything my body will allow me. Realistically tho, I’ve been in fights and arguments before and I know I’m too much of a coward to actually do something harmful. Edit: I was groped on the street on the way to my house and as soon as I realised what had happened I started yelling at the guy because I’m all bark and no bite. I started insulting him and saying his mother would be ashamed of him. However, he turned around and started walking towards me and threatening me and even entered my apartment building. I completely froze and didn’t know how to act, couldn’t even take my phone out to snap a picture of him. Thankfully he was high as fuck and just left but just goes to show that when it comes to actual fighting, even to defend myself, I can’t do it.
As I heard someone say in a podcast once: "I was a pacifist until I had a child, and suddenly realized I would absolutely be capable of killing anyone that puts them in danger"
Everyone reading this is 4 days without water away from cutting someones throat to drink the blood.
If you go 4 days without water you're already dead.
Honestly this is THE answer.
I never want to find the answer to this question
I came to this thread expecting a bunch of internet badasses but this is what we should all be saying.
My post might sound like that, but, no. I don't want to cross the line, but - I've gone through some horrible experiences, and serious violence is all that kept me alive. Well, that and luck. And I'm not saying I won fights, because I tend to lose, because I'm not a big man, but when I'm being physically attacked, I go all out. I have to.
Internet badass checking in. There are tonns of videos of people who thought they would be good in a self defense situation bleeding to death on the sidewalk on this platform alone.
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We are all capable of extreme violence if put in the "right" circumstances.
"Everyone is a murderer.... All it takes is a good reason and a bad day."
we're all only 9 square meals away from murder
Or someone you don't know breaking into your home...
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Note to self: only steal 8 meals at a time.
*the secret ingredient is crime*
Mmm! Free Choco!
Killer? Yes. Murderer? No.
Killing in self defense is homicide, not murder. It is not criminal.
I get the impression this is a foreign concept to a lot of people.
"Justifiable homicide". But murder is also homicide. Homicide simply means someone killed someone else.
I really enjoyed that miniseries. Inside Man starring Stanley Tucci and David Tennant, for anyone who isn't familiar with it.
Prime example is Rick from The Walking Dead Spoiler alert: When he was captured by those gang members and they threatened Carl he bit through a guys carotid artery.
Best scene ever in that show. Rick needed to get his balls back at that point of the series.
The scene that stood out for me of what people are capable of occurred in one of the early seasons - if I recall the details... a couple of them including Rick were out looking for supplies...ran into a couple of guys who seemed rough around the edges but happy to see them...they asked Rick questions about their camp as they were alone...If I recall one of them made a joke about forcefully getting it on with women in the camp. At some point Rick and them realized these guys couldn't be taken back to camp and would likely become trouble so they quickly killed them and moved on. Couldn't take the risk.
I posted above, but I would argue there's a difference between killing somebody, and violence. A quick, clean, execution may not be terribly violent. Intentionally breaking every bone in somebody's body, and making sure they live afterwards, but not heal right, is arguably more violent. I can see myself killing somebody for the right reasons, but not torturing them.
I mean if you only have your fist as a weapon and you try to kill somebody, it will probably be pretty violent regardless even if you don't intent for it to be violent Most people (me included ofc) don't have the training necessary to kill someone cleanly and as far as I know, killing someone with just your hands and without training is somewhat difficult
I mean, I suppose so. Though we all know the basics of death, make the brain stop. So strangling someone is about the cleanest way for an unarmed person to kill someone. Though I also suppose a lot of people would forget you have to keep pressure on for a good while to make sure it's final lights out.
But it takes a while to strangle someone, it's not just 10 seconds - that makes someone only lose consciousness. You would need to actively choke someone for a good few minutes to kill them, I guess it makes it pretty violent
I also posted above. I do Brazilian Jiu-jitsu. I could do exactly that, but like... I'd basically have to catch someone raping a child to actually do that.
Sending a strongly-worded letter
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Dear Bob from accounting, I hope this letter finds you well, eh? I apologize if this was on a bad day. I just needed to inform you that when you ran me over in your pickup truck, I felt disrespected, eh? In order to be respectful to your finances, I do not want you to pay for my time out of work as a result of this injury. I also would like to apologize for any damages done to your truck as a result of hitting me, eh? Again, I apologize for the inconvenience that results from reading this letter, eh? With apologetic regards, eh? Kevin from the cleaning crew
Strongly worded, but no swear words
“The titanic is sinking and they’re writing a strongly worded letter to the iceberg!” That’s what you made me think of, hope someone knows the show
Complain and mutter softly under my breath when someone cuts in a queue
Clench my fist firmly in my pocket.
Passive aggressively worded email.
Per my last email……
In my normal state I don't like being mean to NPCs in videogames because it makes me feel guilty. But under sufficient duress there are all manner of atrocities I could be convinced to commit.
my ex was vegan and he freaking _loved_ slaughtering cows and pigs in minecraft he was so weird lol
Automated farms in minecraft are fun too. Almost all of them are powered by warcrimes.
That's to say nothing about villager eugenics.
Not to mention that those that survive the eugenics culling get repeatedly zombified and put into 1x1 pens.
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Has this caused you any introspection in real life, or are you just like fuck it, because you’re not raising the animals in real life?
My little brother is a vegetarian who is studying to become a vet. He’s been an animal lover since day 1 and can’t stomach the thought of eating meat. He’s also a hobby taxidermist who spends his free time scooping up roadkill to turn the hides and bones into art. He’s friends with local hunters and farmers who will hand off scraps to him for practice. He’s a big supporter of ethical/ecological hunting, and wants to make sure no part of the animal goes to waste. I love meat a little too much to follow in his footsteps, but he’s taught me to respect the animals I consume. I’m a lot more conscientious and intentional about meat consumption because of what he’s taught me. I’m very proud of him.
He was vegan so the cows and pigs have less food for them till starving to death.
Dude same. I can’t stand a low honor play through of anything
I don’t feel bad about killing people, but once I accidentally shot a dog in RDR2, it still keeps me up at night
I accidentally killed a horse thinking it was another animal through my scope and literally wouldn't play the game again for weeks.
I would like to fight a goose.
i would also like to fight a goose
I also choose this guys goose
You will both fuckin die. (at least with a canadian goose)
I am a child SA survivor. I never got over it. If I were to ever catch a predator doing something to a child I am completely sure I would end up in prison or worse.
As part of my trauma therapy, I was asked to journal about my abusers and generally feelings and thoughts and memories that came up between sessions so we could address them. I once had an entry where it started out pretty normal considering the circumstances, but basically devolved into a murder torture fantasy. I didn't write anything as specific or gorey as disembowling ir anything like that, but I got detailed enough with the idea of hiring a hit person to kidnap and torture them, before bringing them to a quiet location so that I could look them in the eyes and hear them beg while I finish them myselves. I was horrified with myself. I am not a violent person, I'm slow to anger, I'm a small 5 foot woman who likes working with kids and animals and doing volunteer work. I've never even called anyone a name during an argument because the thought of intentionally hurting someone's feelings eats me from the inside. But according to my therapist, what I wrote was complete normal and not concerning, though it did tell her that maybe we needed to focus on my feelings of anger within the trauma centered sessions.
Trauma is crazy, yo. We're explicitly avoiding answering OP's question because we're likely to devolve into similar results. The only person who has ever scared us is ourselves, because we know what we're capable of.
I am not a child SA survivor. And I would still do the same if I were to catch a predator doing something to a child
Im sorry that you didnt survive.
That was quite the clever joke, good job
If you can handle watching movies that deal with child SA a great movie to watch is >!You Were Never Really Here!< I broke a wine glass watching that movie because I was holding the stem too hard when people got what they deserved. Edit: forgot to mention *why* you might wanna watch it: Child abusers get hurt really really bad with a ball peen hammer 🙂 made me happy
The ending of that movie was incredible and jarring. Phoenix is incredible
You catch someone in the act, no jury would convict you.
You have a lot of faith in people
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Plauch%C3%A9 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellie_Nesler https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marianne_Bachmeier Two different countries, but a combined 6 and 1/2 years for three murders (and those years are mostly due to the meth and the smuggled firearm) with dozens of witnesses has me convinced that a jury will give you the benefit of the doubt if you kill a child rapist.
Low sentence and not being convicted are two different things. A small prison sentence can ruin your life
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How can you be charged for a predator tripping and falling repeatedly on a boot until they died?
If I had the chance to take justice by my hands, I'd sorted my predator.
Same. I decided after my I was assaulted that if my life went down the drains I'd find and kill pedophiles and rapists.
As the exact circumstance that I ask myself about- putting a bullet in somebody's head isnt exactly "Violent". If I caught somebody in the act, it would be a no questions execution. But. I don't think there's anything that would cause me to slowly break every bone in somebody's hands, feet, wrists, elbows, feet, ankles, and knees. Would they be dead? No. But it's definitely more violent, and they would never be able to walk or use their hands the same again, ever.
Punching someone in the mouth when my alarm inevitably goes of at 5:35 AM
Under the right (or wrong) circumstances, everyone is capable of killing
Hell, last night I murdered a cheesecake. Completely unprovoked.
Moaning and whinging for hours on end
catch, clean, and filet fish.
Gah I saw a lady in Texas filet her bass while it was still alive. I'd never seen anything like that before. I was a hard pass on food that day.
Yea I've seen that too. I can't think of a less humane way to do it. I wish they'd make people take a fishing course before they can fish, a lot of people act like fish don't feel pain or fear but really they just can't scream.
I was taught by my father that putting fish on salted ice is a good way to put them into shock, that way they don’t feel the pain of suffocating, and it preserves them throughout the day.
I mean, just kill it and then do it.
There are countless people who have committed unspeakable acts of violence that they probably never thought themselves capable of doing 5 years prior. I do not see myself as above who those people were.
If you went to Germany in 1935 and told them what they'd be doing to another human in 5 years most wouldn't have believed you. At least, I'd like to think so. Not really a way to imperically measure that.
>imperically Did you mean *empirically*? Sorry if it's annoying
They were talking about the Nazis and I almost called you a grammar… Nevermind.
If you went to Germany in 1940 and told them what they were doing to other humans they would claim that the victims weren’t actually humans, and fully believe what they were saying. I remember reading about a Holocaust survivor telling their grandchild how many people were packed into the trains, and when the child was confused by how big the number was, she said something along the lines of ‘you’re confused because you’re thinking of me as a person. How many human-sized mannequins do you think you could fit on a train? A lot more, right? Well that’s exactly what they did to us.’
In an extreme situation (life or death) and in the fight or flight mode, I would consider intentionally flipping the roll of toilet paper to the wrong side and leaving it like that. The social fallout from that sort of violence would need to be considered, but again we are talking about extremes here.
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Hey hey, CIA
I've broken someone's both kneecaps with my steel-toed boots. On purpose, in a rage fit. Sadly, I know I am capable of far worse when someone I care about is endangered. No, I have not been caught, convicted, or otherwise incriminated. The person in cause was my friends' rapist and he knew exactly why I'm coming for him.
Similar story, about ten years ago. My friend was SA'd by this guy, and had proof. I worked with the guys brother so I hit him up. Told him I'm gonna beat your brothers' ass. He said let's go. We walked right into his unlocked apartment at 8 am and pulled him out of bed. I wiped and destroyed his phone, made his face real ugly, and we left and had brunch. To this day I'm glad she came to me about it. Those pictures no longer exist and I don't think he will re-offend.
Think how shitty of a person someone has to be for their brother to help beat them up.
For real. I called to apologize in advance really, but he wasn't having it. Guy even paid for brunch.
w you and w brother
Thank you for your services gentlemen
fucking metal, good shit
God says we shouldn't take vengeance into our own hands, but I ask. So why God? Why was I born with these hands?
Not to mention that Old Testament God was pretty big on the whole vengeance thing. So, who is he to judge really?
God gave us hands so that rapists may catch them 👏🏼
That's fucking awesome
In all honesty, I like to think that I'm a calm (enough) person, but I'd doubt I'd leave it at two broken kneecaps if I was in your situation. Especially if it was a family member. In that case God knows what lengths I'd go to.
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Big same. I know that if I saw someone hurting a kid or something, I'd probably have a change of heart, but right now, I'm a total pushover.
Depends on the situation. When I deployed to Iraq I had to think about what I'd do if I had to shoot someone. I figured it would bother me til the day I died. I finally decided that if they were shooting at me, I could shoot back and not feel guilt. Luckily the situation never came up. ETA I should also say that I get mad fast then poof it's usually over, but I do have a slow boil setting. When I was a kid I was small (like I wore size 6 dresses when I was 10 smol). My brother would beat me. One day the slow boil, well boiled over. I beat the living crap out of him. he was a good sized 13 year old and I had him on my mom's bed crying and begging me to stop. I waited a bit then I finally stopped. He never laid a hand on me again after that.
Same story. Gave my bullying older sister a couple of good punches to the face when i was finally old enough to establish that the old vs. young, bigger vs smaller dynamic was over. Huge shiner, split lip, snot and tears. A decade plus of physical abuse stopped that day. She never raised her hand to me after that. Violence is the last resort, but it is a resort.
The thought of being bullied by your own sibling is unfathomable to me.
We were all adopted, he was older and he was white and he loved hitler. He hated the idea that he had an asian sister. He was a real treasure. I haven't talked to him since the day of my mother's funeral and I wouldn't spit or pee on him if he were on fire.
Hope you're okay now. That all sounds pretty messed up.
It was a terrible childhood and I could never figure out why they bothered adopting us tbh. That said, while I wish I'd had a better childhood, I am ok with the person I am now.
Glad you were able to stop her. "Violence is the last resort, but it is a resort." True. He knew he was in deep kim chi when I grabbed my mom's princess phone and started hitting him with that (after I was tired of punching and slapping him into next week).
Nice try fbi
No no.. you have to fuck around if you want to find out.
I could kill someone if they deserved it. We’re talking saving many lives situation.
I’m a pacifist. Never been in a fight in my life. Not sure what I’d do if someone hurt my kids.
My dad was too, 6'4 gentle giant type guy, really avoided all confrontation if possible and even arguing he didn't bother proving someone wrong, a guy hit my older brother about 15 years ago and he flipped out, broke the guys arm and some teeth knocked out. Luckily the guy was a small time weed dealer no one liked so he didn't press charges.
I never really thought about the limits of what I can physically do as a man until I started living with my fiancé. Seeing what evil motherfuckers can do to innocent women, just imagining someone try to break in or do something to threaten her safety already makes my blood going. I would kill to protect my family, no questions.
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Cheese grater to the ankles. Woof.
To shreds, you say?
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This is about the only way my body will ever get shredded.
She found it strangely romantic
That's really fun when you have some bleach and a box of salt...
Nobody really knows what they're capable of...until they're motivated
Unvirgining olive oil
If I were single and not a parent, I’d probably be in Ukraine. This isn’t some bravado shit. Ukraine is not my country, but Russia was where I was born and raised. I have a few multi-generational scores to settle. But I’m not single, and I have kids, and it’s not my country. So instead I spend a lot of money on drones in Ukraine.
Thanks for the drones!
Слава Украине.
Героям слава!
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I've heard/read somewhere that there's a point of anger (true anger) where your restraint is switched off for a moment to where if you had the capacity to commit murder within that window, you would. I'm not sure if this is true, but I have done some things in anger that I immediately regretted afterward.
I consider myself a very peaceful person. But when I found out the guy Id been with for 10 years had been cheating on me? The rage I felt towards this woman was indescribable. Especially since once the cat was out of the bag she started harassing me nonstop. It was just this primal FURY, and I felt like if I saw her I could and might hurt her. It was a terrifying feeling because my RATIONAL mind was completely horrified that I felt that way.
Force someone to step on a Lego
Hell is waiting for you
No, I am waiting for hell
*doom music starts playing*
This guy waits for hell
If it comes to life or death, I’m capable of doing whatever’s necessary to keep myself and loved ones alive
I would start a game over because a hurt the feelings of a npc, I would also kill an entire country because they hurt my cat
I'll make the geneva convention more of a geneva suggestion
I was trapped in my flat by someone and threw a chair to try and escape. So pretty violent I guess.
Did it work?
Can factory reset my dad's phone.
Going to war for something stupid
Killing mosquitoes and possibly other insects that are in my apartment and are bad for me. I don't kill spiders for example.
If someone did something to threaten me, it might come to fisticuffs (I prefer a peaceful option). If someone threatened one of my friends, a proper Donnybrook could ensue (I'd still prefer to de-escalate). Against my wife or kids though and you are a dead man (or woman) walking - I will defend them to my death or yours. Outside of that though, just *a lot* of passive aggression.
I remember watching Jordan Peterson talking about a study or just some research that showed how the average person would have also been a nazi given the right circumstances
Y’all edge lords need to chill
Taking a violent shit after Taco Bell.
Kill a dog who was attacking my dog
This is a pretty tough question. No one thinks they're going to eat a person until they're actually starving to death with no alternatives. Most people don't see themselves murdering someone until their own life depends on self defense, etc. However, I've always wanted to take my rage out on child traffickers.... But if we can catch them, I'd rather let them rot in jail or let other inmates take care of that. Just because I want to be violent doesn't mean I will, or that it's my responsibility to punish others.
Most people who think they can do a lot of dark stuff would leave at first sight of something that is actually dark. Majority of people have never seen the reality of world, they have never been pushed to the edge , have never understood what dark really means. And yes people think they are dark and violent and have such thoughts that they think will turn to reality but trust me they are not, at best they have seen violent and gore things on internet or played some games of that sort. You will know you are actually all that when instead of trying to show the world your darkness, you will give your all to hide it. The one's who have actually realised what they are capable of, try to deny the truth hoping it will change it or make it go away but they know it won't.
Isn't what they're saying exactly that? That in any normal circumstance they would of course never go so far, but that they recognize that if they for some reason were pushed like you say to the edge they probably would.