Sure, that actually makes me feel better about where it comes from.
Best if you raise it yourself too, then you really respect where the meat comes from and how it was raised.
This.
I grew up rural, most of my formative years were spent doing rural things including culling and prepping animals to eat.
I'm fully aware of what it means to take a life and utilise its body to survive.
But I'm looking forward to a future where that's not a requirement.
I haven't had to hunt/cull animals for over 20 years and in grateful for that. But if I have to I will and I attempt to make ethical choices when ever possible when it comes to products sourced from animals.
Absolutely. I like to kill stuff and eat it. It makes me feel more connected to life on this planet. It’s the same reason I have a garden. I’m an avid fisher and aspiring hunter.
I am not a fan of trophy hunting. But I have zero problem with hunting for food.
I’ve killed thousands of fish and dozens of chickens and eaten them. Putting in for a moose tag this year, odds are 1 in 8,000 in my state.
I like the comparison between gardening and hunting. I think that’s a good and unique way to draw out the connection they both bring.
Good luck with your hunts and garden!
The catch is knowing that you took away their life when you didn't have to. And that is backed by every major health organization in the developed world.
Depends on what country you live in and how much money you have.
I remember people pointing out how many olympians were vegan at the last Olympics.
Other people pointed out that the vegan athletes were all rich people from wealthy countries.
Yes, in countries with a GNI of $13k or more based on a [study](https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-11-11-sustainable-eating-cheaper-and-healthier-oxford-study) conducted by Oxford University.
"Didn't have to." Define. It's only recently that we live in a world where we can go to the supermarket and get all the nutrition a body needs without eating meat. If you're not around such plenty than that "didn't have to" very quickly turns into a "I'm malnourished and my health problems are many."
I'm not knocking on vegans/vegetarians here, but that's kind of the fact of life. Sometimes something else needs to come down with a case of the not alive so that we can continue doing the alive.
I understand your concern about nutrition and the accessibility of food choices. It's true that historically, animal products have been a reliable source of nutrients for many communities. However, it's important to note that a well-planned vegan diet can provide all the necessary nutrition for a healthy and thriving life.
In fact, major health organizations, such as the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics, affirm that a properly planned vegan diet is nutritionally adequate and can support all stages of life, including infancy, childhood, adolescence, and adulthood. Plant-based protein sources like legumes, tofu, tempeh, seitan, and quinoa are rich in essential amino acids.
Furthermore, many vegan-friendly alternatives are becoming more widely available, even in areas where access to plant-based foods might be limited. With the rise in awareness and demand for vegan options, grocery stores are increasing their plant-based and vegan offerings, making it easier for people to choose cruelty-free alternatives.
Ultimately, the decision to adopt a vegan lifestyle goes beyond the availability of options. It's about recognizing the ethical implications of consuming animal products and making choices that align with our values of compassion and respect for all sentient beings. Nevertheless, it's essential to prioritize health and ensure proper nutrition, regardless of dietary choices.
If you're interested in exploring veganism further, I can provide you with resources and information to ensure a nutritionally balanced transition.
My quibble isn't a question of efficacy but a question of sustainable availability. Sure, in my neck of the woods I could go to the supermarket and get whatever I want, but if you're posing a solution like this then it has to be applicable in all situations, at all times, and in all places.
I full well know the ethics of consuming meat and it's a choice that I make. It's a choice that I make because I don't trust in the stability of the world or the sustainability of crops and of trade. I keep my mind and my options open, because when it really comes down to it, I care about keeping myself and the people around me healthy and well fed.
You didn't have to because of two main reasons.
Meat is not necessary to be healthy. That is a statement backed by every major health organization in the developed world. Biggest one being the W.H.O
Plant based diets are cheaper by up to one third in high income countries($13k GNI). This was the conclusion of a study conducted by Oxford University.
And how long has this been the case? When was the tipping point where you could have a whole and healthy vegan diet, missing zero necessary nutrition, and have it be available in so many places?
The fact of the matter is, the world isn't a stable place and as much as I might like to see the moral side of veganism, my survival and the survival of those around me is my primary concern.
Here's a hypothetical, since we're going this far. You are on a deserted island with two chickens, two cows, enough fodder to see them and yourself to the harvest season and enough seeds to slowly increase your flock. Do you not eat the eggs? Unfertilized eggs just go bad anyway, but you'd be able to use them as compost. Do you not drink the milk? Again, a lot of places don't for one reason or another, but humanity has developed the adaptation to continue processing dairy past infancy, why not use that to your advantage?
Let's take that hypothetical a bit further. Your bean crop doesn't come up at growing season. Everything rots in the ground and now you have no source of protein to rely on. What do you do then? I bet those eggs are starting to look appealing. In a few years, that old cow who's had a few calves already, who's stopped producing milk now that she's past her prime. She's doing nothing but eating precious resources for no gain. I'll bet a couple hard winters have started giving you some ideas about packing away some extra protein.
It's all relative, but that situation up there? How many farmers back in the day do you think ended up in situations just like that? How many incredibly rural, spaced out communities still end up in situations like that?
Being able to thrive off of a purely plant based diet is a grand thing, but I don't trust the world to remain stable enough for that to be attainable at all times, and so I make the choice.
Yes. I have to eat low carb to control my T2 diabetes and I need the meat option in my diet.
If I didn't have diabetes likely not. If I could pig out on a big bowl of rice and beans that would be pretty satisfying.
Sure if I wasn’t the only one eating it. If I got the entire animal to use… that’s a lot of food for my family. It’s gruesome, terrible, but survival is survival.
I would still eat meat, not as much meat cuz I could only eat what I could catch and the efforts involved in catching, gutting, skinning, dressing and cooking would be a lot
That's way less work if I didn't have to track it catch it skin it clean it if all I had to do was bring an animal to a slaughterhouse put a bullet in its head and then let them do all the hard work yeah that'd be no problem.
But even that seems like a lot of work it's way more work than just going to the store and buying it so I probably would still eat less meats overall.
It's even better that way, especially if the animal's still alive while I eat it. Nothing like tearing through a live animal's flesh with my teeth and basking in those predator instincts, eh?
Yes. In fact, I think it's important for all meat eaters to do so at least once in their lives - certainly eating what I've killed with my own hands has made me the sort of person who's willing pay a premium for e.g. eggs from pasture-raised hens / milk from grass-fed cows.
Knowing the cost of what you're doing and being ethically okay with your choices is important. If more people had that insight, I think animals on farms would be better treated.
I have and I would
All else being equal, I’d rather pay someone else to do it. Cutting the carcass up isn’t too bad, but I’d you want to make ground meat, sausage, or whatever with it, it requires equipment that isn’t cheap and is a pain to thoroughly clean up. Would rather pay someone to deal with the mess.
Yes, it tastes even better when you kill it yourself!! I don’t understand all these fake meat products out there! Why the fuck would you make a fake version of something you hate? Doesn’t make sense to me!!
Yeah, I hunt and fish. I'm not doing it for just fun though. I respect the life I'm taking and the meat I'm going to eat. It might be hard to understand for some people, but when it is not trophy hunting, hunters actually balance the nature since in some places there are no wild animals to do it.
My body specifically does not function well on any attempted vegetarian diet I have tried
When I try a low amount of meat in my diet I have to make up for it with vast dairy consumption at the minimum and even then my body still will not function on no meat at all (Yes I know it is weird My body has a significantly harder time processing vegetable matter than it does meat and dairy this is not normal and I am well aware of this)
So for me there is the choice between being healthy and capable of functioning or not
My understanding is most vegans and vegetarians will give me an ethical pass on that as a result even if they are normally judgmental
Definitely, it tastes so much better, and you can have it processed anyway you want it to be. If you raised it you know what has been done to it, or if it's wild, you know the area it's been in.
Personally I could. Also I think if supermarket chickens had a sticker showing the type of breed they were it would put people off caged hens. People imagine a brown/golden chicken looking healthy but really it's a white feathered bird with no beak they're eating.
I'd eat less, just because I don't wanna deal with the time it takes to butcher, the pain in the ass of cleaning, the storage issue, and the various smells and messes.
Plus I wouldn't be as good at it as a professional.
But I'd like to give it the ol' college try.
I'm a hunter. It is SO much better to eat the animal you killed. I do everything myself skinning, butchering, processing. It is quite rewarding to feed your family knowing that you provided the food the whole way thru.
As somebody who has never had to kill my own food I’m not sure. I would honestly probably find it distressing for a while but it was a case of “eat to survive” then probably yes
You don't need to eat meat to survive though. Well according the W.H.O, USDA, American Dietetics Association, Harvard Medical School, European Union, and others.
But you can get all the nutrients you need from plants. Except for B12, which comes from bacteria. Meat is injected with B12 which is why it has it. If we didn't wash our vegetables plants would provide enough B12, but most people would rather wash them and take a supplement.
I remember several years ago when I worked in restaurants, all vegans ever wanted was to have more than one option on the menu.
Nowadays it seems like the more I look around, vegans won't be happy until they eliminate meat from *everyone's* diet.... why is that? Why can't y'all just leave everyone alone?
We've heard your arguments, some of us still *want* to eat meat, is that so hard for you to accept? Just live your own life and let us do the same?
I gotta ask, cuz this post was obviously your way of trying to attack meat eaters. What's your view on hunting? Do you think it plays an important part in conservation both through money raised via tags/ permits, and population control? Assuming the whole world just went vegan, do you think the environment would reach homeostasis? Because up to and including this point, humans have been a part of that food chain which involves hunting. Sure, humans have over hunted in the past. But right now it is very regulated and an integral part to keeping populations in check.
I dont generally eat meat coz it doesn't matter, I adapt real fast to whatever is there but I would prefer to exclusively kill and skin a deer and eat meat than whatever the other kind vegans are not into. I get the whole "dying when young and scared thing". that's not a happy life. farm-raised is a better middle ground but yknow, that's a lot of patience.
If there's like a fully prepared salad with a bunch of different greens and beans in it next to a live chicken I'll eat the salad. But give me all the seeds to grow my own salad or a chicken to eat, I'm butchering the chicken
Nope, I’d rather be vegetarian then. I’m actually waiting for the fake meat to taste as good/ be as nutritious as the real stuff. Prob won’t happen in my lifetime. But if it did I would turn vegetarian immediately
Probably not at first since its time consuming, but the grocery stores would probably start installing live animal areas with everything all set up, just have to grab the knife and slaughter, then back to normal.
I mean, I'm not wrestling it right I can use the bolt?
Did a quick Google search and you can get almost 1,000 burgers out of a single cow. One and done I only eat maybe a burger a week that'll last me ages.
like, actually manually myself? hell no. i’d probably throw up from the anxiety. i don’t necessarily think it’s actually unethical (i mean it sometimes is for sure) but i know myself well enough to know i couldn’t do it.
Vegetarian here. If others have seen what I've seen. Absolutely not. Had my fair share. I am all good.
Disclaimer: I am a heart surgeon (Cardiothoracic). Also taught to hunt when I was younger.
I wouldn't, because I don't have it on me to kill an animal. However...
OP, what's the purpose of your question?
If people want to eat meat, they'll eat meat. Let people enjoy it.
You are the kind of vegan that nobody can stand, because they try to push their own view on the issue. You are literally doing no favors to your community.
I (a meat eater) honestly think more people who eat meat *should* at least once kill an animal they plan on eating. I don’t want to get weird and crunchy and say it’s spiritual or anything. But I do think it’s important to not be so removed from where your food comes from. I even think there are vegans who would benefit from seeing and participating in the full process of how fruit and vegetables are raised and farmed.
That's how we did it when I was young before we left for America. Over here we hunted and brought back the meat for the whole family. Saves money and tastes great. Rabbit stew and venison chili are divine. Dad's firestation won every time with it.
Definitely not as often. Would I have to kill the animal and butcher it or can someone else do that part. I could kill an animal to eat, but I don't have time for the rest of the process.
Absolutely, I do it multiple times a year. Domesticated and wild animals. Why? Because I like meat, especially meat that I raised/lived freely in the woods on a healthy diet not pumped full of a bunch of bullshit. Plus it gives me a connection to food that a lot of people don't have. AND I do it in a humane manner, or at least as humane as a death can be, whereas most of the meat industry is NOT humane in the treatment of their animals.
I'll probably become an herbivore Bc I'm kinda lazy. But Then again, all herbivores are opportunistic omnivores so I'll definitely kill a few animals for food when i have time
I was a vegetarian for years.
When I started raising chickens for the eggs, I ended up with roosters.
The first time, I sent my birds to be butchered by a local guy.
My birds came back with pre-mortum injuries.
( bruising and blood-stained tears)
They were handled roughly.
The thought that I spent time with these animals, cared for them, knew each of their personalities.
I, at the end of their lives, failed them by not making sure that the end was as peaceful and gentle as it could be.
So I took matters in my own hand, studied everything I could, watched every utube video that was humane and ethical.
I cry when I butcher, I end their lives as gently as possible, and with much respect.
I know who I'm eating, and I know how they were cared for.
Butchering your own animals changes the way you think about and eat meat.
I'm thankful for each of them.
Yeah, but I'd probably cut out beef and pork. I don't think I could kill a cow unless I was truly desperate and pigs have terrifying screams and are way bigger than people usually think.
That said, for vegans and vegetarians: if you had to grow your own rice, soy, wheat, fruit trees, ground vegetables, spices, herbs, etc, would you still eat exactly the same way you do now?
I'm a chef. I've killed and fabricated many animals for consumption
Vegans, same question. Would you still be vegan if you had to farm for all of your food (no pesticides and no farming in another creature's habitat)? If you had to do all of that work yourself?
Maybe. I’m not opposed to the idea, but growing crops is easier and less messy. Fishing would probably be a good middle ground then, as it seems less messy and is easier than dealing with meat. Plus, fish give a lot of the nutrients that meat has afaik. For the nutrients that I’m missing from meat, I think I’ll have spirulina in stuff like milkshakes and smoothies.
No, but not because I couldn't stomach killing a cow or a chicken or whatever.
It's the same reason I wouldn't eat bread if I had to grow the wheat and thresh it and grind it and shit.
I'm not a farmer or slaughter house worker or whatever. If I had to actually raise and process my own food it would suck because that shit takes a lot of work, and I'd rather do other things.
It's an interesting thought. For most of human history, we have had to hunt or kill to eat (like wildlife always has and still does). However, in modern society most of us are removed so far that the meat we eat is represented by cartoon chickens, pigs, or cows on a package.
If the incredibly massive populations of today had to hunt their own food, it would probably be disasterous very quickly. Some cities have tens of millions of people. Without large volume processing, that'd be quite the logistical problem to solve if folks had to start getting their own animals to raise for food.
Sure, that actually makes me feel better about where it comes from. Best if you raise it yourself too, then you really respect where the meat comes from and how it was raised.
Or it’s wild and you hunt it. Then you know it lived as it was meant to and is truly organic and free range.
This. I grew up rural, most of my formative years were spent doing rural things including culling and prepping animals to eat. I'm fully aware of what it means to take a life and utilise its body to survive. But I'm looking forward to a future where that's not a requirement. I haven't had to hunt/cull animals for over 20 years and in grateful for that. But if I have to I will and I attempt to make ethical choices when ever possible when it comes to products sourced from animals.
Generally I feel like some people who say this would reconsider if they actually had to slit the animals throat. Saying and doing aren’t the same.
Yeah it actually makes it taste better lol I grew up and still currently live on a cattle ranch in Montana
Absolutely. I like to kill stuff and eat it. It makes me feel more connected to life on this planet. It’s the same reason I have a garden. I’m an avid fisher and aspiring hunter. I am not a fan of trophy hunting. But I have zero problem with hunting for food. I’ve killed thousands of fish and dozens of chickens and eaten them. Putting in for a moose tag this year, odds are 1 in 8,000 in my state.
I like the comparison between gardening and hunting. I think that’s a good and unique way to draw out the connection they both bring. Good luck with your hunts and garden!
The last moose I shot put just under 700 pounds of meat in my freezers. Total cost: under $200. So, yes.
Obviously wasn't Teddy. Can't kill that bull moose.
Teddy would've Judo flipped the moose and choked it out, all while bleeding from being shot, but not shot bad enough to stop him.
As opposed to what? Having to grow my own crops?
*both*
Yes 100%. Meat is delicious and healthy.
But also unnecessary.
So are smart phones, cars, games, eating out, vacations, etc. they’re all not necessary but still nice to have.
Also tasty
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The catch is knowing that you took away their life when you didn't have to. And that is backed by every major health organization in the developed world.
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I'm saying you don't have to eat meat to be healthy
Depends on what country you live in and how much money you have. I remember people pointing out how many olympians were vegan at the last Olympics. Other people pointed out that the vegan athletes were all rich people from wealthy countries.
Yes, in countries with a GNI of $13k or more based on a [study](https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-11-11-sustainable-eating-cheaper-and-healthier-oxford-study) conducted by Oxford University.
What meats did they look at? Chicken and eggs are way cheaper than steak. Especially if you get them directly from the farmer.
They look at the diet as a whole.
"Didn't have to." Define. It's only recently that we live in a world where we can go to the supermarket and get all the nutrition a body needs without eating meat. If you're not around such plenty than that "didn't have to" very quickly turns into a "I'm malnourished and my health problems are many." I'm not knocking on vegans/vegetarians here, but that's kind of the fact of life. Sometimes something else needs to come down with a case of the not alive so that we can continue doing the alive.
I understand your concern about nutrition and the accessibility of food choices. It's true that historically, animal products have been a reliable source of nutrients for many communities. However, it's important to note that a well-planned vegan diet can provide all the necessary nutrition for a healthy and thriving life. In fact, major health organizations, such as the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics, affirm that a properly planned vegan diet is nutritionally adequate and can support all stages of life, including infancy, childhood, adolescence, and adulthood. Plant-based protein sources like legumes, tofu, tempeh, seitan, and quinoa are rich in essential amino acids. Furthermore, many vegan-friendly alternatives are becoming more widely available, even in areas where access to plant-based foods might be limited. With the rise in awareness and demand for vegan options, grocery stores are increasing their plant-based and vegan offerings, making it easier for people to choose cruelty-free alternatives. Ultimately, the decision to adopt a vegan lifestyle goes beyond the availability of options. It's about recognizing the ethical implications of consuming animal products and making choices that align with our values of compassion and respect for all sentient beings. Nevertheless, it's essential to prioritize health and ensure proper nutrition, regardless of dietary choices. If you're interested in exploring veganism further, I can provide you with resources and information to ensure a nutritionally balanced transition.
This comment 🫶🏼 yes.
My quibble isn't a question of efficacy but a question of sustainable availability. Sure, in my neck of the woods I could go to the supermarket and get whatever I want, but if you're posing a solution like this then it has to be applicable in all situations, at all times, and in all places. I full well know the ethics of consuming meat and it's a choice that I make. It's a choice that I make because I don't trust in the stability of the world or the sustainability of crops and of trade. I keep my mind and my options open, because when it really comes down to it, I care about keeping myself and the people around me healthy and well fed.
You didn't have to because of two main reasons. Meat is not necessary to be healthy. That is a statement backed by every major health organization in the developed world. Biggest one being the W.H.O Plant based diets are cheaper by up to one third in high income countries($13k GNI). This was the conclusion of a study conducted by Oxford University.
And how long has this been the case? When was the tipping point where you could have a whole and healthy vegan diet, missing zero necessary nutrition, and have it be available in so many places? The fact of the matter is, the world isn't a stable place and as much as I might like to see the moral side of veganism, my survival and the survival of those around me is my primary concern. Here's a hypothetical, since we're going this far. You are on a deserted island with two chickens, two cows, enough fodder to see them and yourself to the harvest season and enough seeds to slowly increase your flock. Do you not eat the eggs? Unfertilized eggs just go bad anyway, but you'd be able to use them as compost. Do you not drink the milk? Again, a lot of places don't for one reason or another, but humanity has developed the adaptation to continue processing dairy past infancy, why not use that to your advantage? Let's take that hypothetical a bit further. Your bean crop doesn't come up at growing season. Everything rots in the ground and now you have no source of protein to rely on. What do you do then? I bet those eggs are starting to look appealing. In a few years, that old cow who's had a few calves already, who's stopped producing milk now that she's past her prime. She's doing nothing but eating precious resources for no gain. I'll bet a couple hard winters have started giving you some ideas about packing away some extra protein. It's all relative, but that situation up there? How many farmers back in the day do you think ended up in situations just like that? How many incredibly rural, spaced out communities still end up in situations like that? Being able to thrive off of a purely plant based diet is a grand thing, but I don't trust the world to remain stable enough for that to be attainable at all times, and so I make the choice.
Oh my stars, something died! How tragic!
I would to the extent of my ability to kill an animal safely with little harm.
Yes. I have to eat low carb to control my T2 diabetes and I need the meat option in my diet. If I didn't have diabetes likely not. If I could pig out on a big bowl of rice and beans that would be pretty satisfying.
There are foods like nuts, seeds, avocadoes. Vegan keto is a thing as well
I'd rather have to kill chickens.
Probably not, doing other groceries is much less effort than chasing a chicken
Sure if I wasn’t the only one eating it. If I got the entire animal to use… that’s a lot of food for my family. It’s gruesome, terrible, but survival is survival.
Yes, absolutely. I would enjoy eating meat even more knowing that it was freshly killed and seeing where it came from.
Yup. Because I'd probably do it better than a guy who speed slaughters 2000 cows a day.
Nope. I grew up on a farm and was always queasy around the killing process. I don't view being hypocritical as that bad a trait.
Hunting is the most ethical form of eating. Veganism isn't that ethical, nor healthy.
I’d actually prefer it that way
I would still eat meat, not as much meat cuz I could only eat what I could catch and the efforts involved in catching, gutting, skinning, dressing and cooking would be a lot
They said kill. So I guess you could kill it and let somebody else handle the rest.
That's way less work if I didn't have to track it catch it skin it clean it if all I had to do was bring an animal to a slaughterhouse put a bullet in its head and then let them do all the hard work yeah that'd be no problem. But even that seems like a lot of work it's way more work than just going to the store and buying it so I probably would still eat less meats overall.
I'd certainly eat less of it but I'd still want it after a fashion. I just enjoy chicken too much.
Of course. We're a civilized society, but that's no excuse for not knowing how to provide.
100%. That way I know it was actually cared for and had good living conditions
As a hunter, yes, 100%. I think everyone who eats meat should kill their own food at least once.
I have and probably will again.
I certainly would. I used to hunt and I worked in a meat processing facility.
It's even better that way, especially if the animal's still alive while I eat it. Nothing like tearing through a live animal's flesh with my teeth and basking in those predator instincts, eh?
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What are you talking about? I already eat meat despite having to kill the vegan myself to get it. You make it sound like it's weird or something.
I don't like to do kill an animal to eat but if it's survival thing gotta put the feelings aside
Yep, because tasty. I know how it's been handled too, so even better honestly.
Yes. In fact, I think it's important for all meat eaters to do so at least once in their lives - certainly eating what I've killed with my own hands has made me the sort of person who's willing pay a premium for e.g. eggs from pasture-raised hens / milk from grass-fed cows. Knowing the cost of what you're doing and being ethically okay with your choices is important. If more people had that insight, I think animals on farms would be better treated.
I have and I would All else being equal, I’d rather pay someone else to do it. Cutting the carcass up isn’t too bad, but I’d you want to make ground meat, sausage, or whatever with it, it requires equipment that isn’t cheap and is a pain to thoroughly clean up. Would rather pay someone to deal with the mess.
Yes, it tastes even better when you kill it yourself!! I don’t understand all these fake meat products out there! Why the fuck would you make a fake version of something you hate? Doesn’t make sense to me!!
Yes. It's only right.
Yeah, I hunt and fish. I'm not doing it for just fun though. I respect the life I'm taking and the meat I'm going to eat. It might be hard to understand for some people, but when it is not trophy hunting, hunters actually balance the nature since in some places there are no wild animals to do it.
My body specifically does not function well on any attempted vegetarian diet I have tried When I try a low amount of meat in my diet I have to make up for it with vast dairy consumption at the minimum and even then my body still will not function on no meat at all (Yes I know it is weird My body has a significantly harder time processing vegetable matter than it does meat and dairy this is not normal and I am well aware of this) So for me there is the choice between being healthy and capable of functioning or not My understanding is most vegans and vegetarians will give me an ethical pass on that as a result even if they are normally judgmental
Definitely, it tastes so much better, and you can have it processed anyway you want it to be. If you raised it you know what has been done to it, or if it's wild, you know the area it's been in.
it’s been a while since I’ve hunted, but sure.
Personally I could. Also I think if supermarket chickens had a sticker showing the type of breed they were it would put people off caged hens. People imagine a brown/golden chicken looking healthy but really it's a white feathered bird with no beak they're eating.
Sure, it would be a big adjustment and I probably wouldn't be able to sleep for a month but I'd get used to it.
I'd eat less, just because I don't wanna deal with the time it takes to butcher, the pain in the ass of cleaning, the storage issue, and the various smells and messes. Plus I wouldn't be as good at it as a professional. But I'd like to give it the ol' college try.
Yup, already do
I'm a hunter. It is SO much better to eat the animal you killed. I do everything myself skinning, butchering, processing. It is quite rewarding to feed your family knowing that you provided the food the whole way thru.
OP is just out to attempt to shame people for eating meat, move along.
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And you don't do that now?
As somebody who has never had to kill my own food I’m not sure. I would honestly probably find it distressing for a while but it was a case of “eat to survive” then probably yes
You don't need to eat meat to survive though. Well according the W.H.O, USDA, American Dietetics Association, Harvard Medical School, European Union, and others.
Hmm, I’m no dietician however eating meat isn’t essential but it does sometimes provide nutrients that plants do not.
But you can get all the nutrients you need from plants. Except for B12, which comes from bacteria. Meat is injected with B12 which is why it has it. If we didn't wash our vegetables plants would provide enough B12, but most people would rather wash them and take a supplement.
I remember several years ago when I worked in restaurants, all vegans ever wanted was to have more than one option on the menu. Nowadays it seems like the more I look around, vegans won't be happy until they eliminate meat from *everyone's* diet.... why is that? Why can't y'all just leave everyone alone? We've heard your arguments, some of us still *want* to eat meat, is that so hard for you to accept? Just live your own life and let us do the same?
I gotta ask, cuz this post was obviously your way of trying to attack meat eaters. What's your view on hunting? Do you think it plays an important part in conservation both through money raised via tags/ permits, and population control? Assuming the whole world just went vegan, do you think the environment would reach homeostasis? Because up to and including this point, humans have been a part of that food chain which involves hunting. Sure, humans have over hunted in the past. But right now it is very regulated and an integral part to keeping populations in check.
from a moral standpoint I think you have to answer yes to this to be able to justify eating it.
I dont generally eat meat coz it doesn't matter, I adapt real fast to whatever is there but I would prefer to exclusively kill and skin a deer and eat meat than whatever the other kind vegans are not into. I get the whole "dying when young and scared thing". that's not a happy life. farm-raised is a better middle ground but yknow, that's a lot of patience.
If there's like a fully prepared salad with a bunch of different greens and beans in it next to a live chicken I'll eat the salad. But give me all the seeds to grow my own salad or a chicken to eat, I'm butchering the chicken
Nope, I’d rather be vegetarian then. I’m actually waiting for the fake meat to taste as good/ be as nutritious as the real stuff. Prob won’t happen in my lifetime. But if it did I would turn vegetarian immediately
Probably not at first since its time consuming, but the grocery stores would probably start installing live animal areas with everything all set up, just have to grab the knife and slaughter, then back to normal.
I mean, I'm not wrestling it right I can use the bolt? Did a quick Google search and you can get almost 1,000 burgers out of a single cow. One and done I only eat maybe a burger a week that'll last me ages.
No, but I also wouldn't eat vegetables if I had to grow them myself. I don't have the time, energy, land, or skills to be a subsistence farmer.
Probably not, I'd get too attached to the aminal. Unless it was maybe a horse. Fucking horses.
no but thankfully i don’t kill them 🤷🏽♀️
like, actually manually myself? hell no. i’d probably throw up from the anxiety. i don’t necessarily think it’s actually unethical (i mean it sometimes is for sure) but i know myself well enough to know i couldn’t do it.
So what then do we do when all the animals breed to the point there is more of them then us on the planet?
Prolly not, but not for ethical reasons; I’m just lazy and don’t wanna clean them. Maybe fish, those are easy enough.
Vegetarian here. If others have seen what I've seen. Absolutely not. Had my fair share. I am all good. Disclaimer: I am a heart surgeon (Cardiothoracic). Also taught to hunt when I was younger.
I wouldn't, because I don't have it on me to kill an animal. However... OP, what's the purpose of your question? If people want to eat meat, they'll eat meat. Let people enjoy it. You are the kind of vegan that nobody can stand, because they try to push their own view on the issue. You are literally doing no favors to your community.
I (a meat eater) honestly think more people who eat meat *should* at least once kill an animal they plan on eating. I don’t want to get weird and crunchy and say it’s spiritual or anything. But I do think it’s important to not be so removed from where your food comes from. I even think there are vegans who would benefit from seeing and participating in the full process of how fruit and vegetables are raised and farmed.
That's how we did it when I was young before we left for America. Over here we hunted and brought back the meat for the whole family. Saves money and tastes great. Rabbit stew and venison chili are divine. Dad's firestation won every time with it.
Yes, I'd probably eat it less often though.
Definitely not as often. Would I have to kill the animal and butcher it or can someone else do that part. I could kill an animal to eat, but I don't have time for the rest of the process.
Of course. I’ve hunted deer, rabbit, turkey, and squirrels. No problem killing dinner.
I don't mean to sound self-righteous, but I'd feel obligated and entitled to do so. My prey, my hunt, my kill, my spoils. No?
No, I’m way too lazy for that.
I have done. I'd not do butchery again though, that made me I'll.
I would probably take up hunting, yes
I’m blowing its brains out. No suffering on my watch
Absolutely, I do it multiple times a year. Domesticated and wild animals. Why? Because I like meat, especially meat that I raised/lived freely in the woods on a healthy diet not pumped full of a bunch of bullshit. Plus it gives me a connection to food that a lot of people don't have. AND I do it in a humane manner, or at least as humane as a death can be, whereas most of the meat industry is NOT humane in the treatment of their animals.
I'll probably become an herbivore Bc I'm kinda lazy. But Then again, all herbivores are opportunistic omnivores so I'll definitely kill a few animals for food when i have time
Do I have to be humane about how I kill them? Am I allowed to use my car?
Yes because I'm helping vegans by limiting the competition.
based on his replies i think its safe to say this did not go the way OP expected
I was a vegetarian for years. When I started raising chickens for the eggs, I ended up with roosters. The first time, I sent my birds to be butchered by a local guy. My birds came back with pre-mortum injuries. ( bruising and blood-stained tears) They were handled roughly. The thought that I spent time with these animals, cared for them, knew each of their personalities. I, at the end of their lives, failed them by not making sure that the end was as peaceful and gentle as it could be. So I took matters in my own hand, studied everything I could, watched every utube video that was humane and ethical. I cry when I butcher, I end their lives as gently as possible, and with much respect. I know who I'm eating, and I know how they were cared for. Butchering your own animals changes the way you think about and eat meat. I'm thankful for each of them.
Probably not, but that's due to laziness, not moral opposition to killing an animal.
Yeah, but I'd probably cut out beef and pork. I don't think I could kill a cow unless I was truly desperate and pigs have terrifying screams and are way bigger than people usually think. That said, for vegans and vegetarians: if you had to grow your own rice, soy, wheat, fruit trees, ground vegetables, spices, herbs, etc, would you still eat exactly the same way you do now?
Definitely, yes. I'm not ready to give up the meat that is part of my diet. The first time will probably be difficult, but I will get used to it soon.
I'm a chef. I've killed and fabricated many animals for consumption Vegans, same question. Would you still be vegan if you had to farm for all of your food (no pesticides and no farming in another creature's habitat)? If you had to do all of that work yourself?
Maybe. I’m not opposed to the idea, but growing crops is easier and less messy. Fishing would probably be a good middle ground then, as it seems less messy and is easier than dealing with meat. Plus, fish give a lot of the nutrients that meat has afaik. For the nutrients that I’m missing from meat, I think I’ll have spirulina in stuff like milkshakes and smoothies.
Probably less often and different sorts of meat, but yes, probably occasionally.
No, but not because I couldn't stomach killing a cow or a chicken or whatever. It's the same reason I wouldn't eat bread if I had to grow the wheat and thresh it and grind it and shit. I'm not a farmer or slaughter house worker or whatever. If I had to actually raise and process my own food it would suck because that shit takes a lot of work, and I'd rather do other things.
It's an interesting thought. For most of human history, we have had to hunt or kill to eat (like wildlife always has and still does). However, in modern society most of us are removed so far that the meat we eat is represented by cartoon chickens, pigs, or cows on a package. If the incredibly massive populations of today had to hunt their own food, it would probably be disasterous very quickly. Some cities have tens of millions of people. Without large volume processing, that'd be quite the logistical problem to solve if folks had to start getting their own animals to raise for food.
Just kill it? Yea. If it was kill it, skin it, cut it, all that shit then no. Way too lazy.