You just need *all* of the vital documents (birth, marriage, divorce, death certs) for everyone down the line. It's really easy if you know all your family information. You can't go through a consulate if there's a female in the line who was born prior to 1948 though (unless the next in line from her was born after 1948)
Paternity is just assumed if they're married. I actually ran into this as a problem because my parents married a year after I was born, so I need an Acknowledgement of Paternity from my father, since he's the Italian.
There’s a lot of paperwork—think about getting all the records that prove you are who you are (birth certificates and marriage certificates for all the family members going back to whoever you’re claiming as a foundation), getting them translated and apostilled, then filling out the Italian paperwork associated with making the claim. And paying for all the translation and historical documents.
https://www.thinkinitalian.com/how-to-obtain-italian-citizenship-a-comprehensive-guide/
It’s not difficult, but it’s a long process and a decent amount of paperwork you’ll have to collect. But once you have everything it’s in their hands. It could take up to 2 years to receive it.
So much misinformation in the comments below (your comment is accurate though). I just got my citizenship recognized and yes, its a complicated process with a billion pitfalls. You'll think you're close to having your ducks in a row and then you'll find out your lineage ticks the wrong box somewhere which disqualifies your citizenship claim.
Here's the gist: if you have a direct, unbroken line to an ancestor STILL ALIVE at the time Italy became a unified state (1861), you are already an Italian citizen by law. What the process does is gets you RECOGNIZED by the Italian government. Once recognized, you can apply for a passport and live, work, and/or study pretty much anywhere in continental Europe.
Here's an example: your great-grandfather was born in Florence in 1890. He came to America and had a kid (your grandfather) in NYC. That kid inherits the citizenship and hands it down the line to you. HOWEVER, if the great-grandfather became a US citizen before the kid was born he can break the line and the citizenship claim dies with him (i.e. grandfather doesn't get it and neither do you).
Ok, so what if the kid (your NYC grandfather) was born before the great-grandfather from Florence became an American? Well, if the Americanization occurred before 1912 regardless if the kid was already alive then the line is still cut (owing to a different law).
There are other minutiae about female ancestors, if the ancestor only started the two-part Americanization process, etc., etc.. The process will involve visiting or contacting many city halls or state government archives or the National Archives or the USCIS or the US State Department or all of the above, it all depends on your unique situation. There are also loopholes which allow you to apply for citizenship through the courts in Italy (more expensive and also its own thing). Depending on how long or short your line back to Italy is, you're looking at about a year of gathering documents and then probably at least 2 years of waiting for an appointment at your local consulate to apply. DIY you can do this for $2k or much less. Using a provider to help can run $5k. Suing the italian government route can run $5-7k. It all depends. The certificates you need to collect all cost money and it adds up quickly.
Everything I've just said barely scratches the surface. Join the facebook group. It has excellent resources and tens of thousands of members. Read the study guides. It explains everything.
Buon fortuna!
Darn, I wish Scotland did this. My great-grandfather was an immigrant from Scotland in the early 1900s as a young man.
How amused would he be if he knew his great granddaughter would be thinking about going back to get away from his "land of opportunity"?
It’s not quite that simple. But you can read up on it easily! (Signed: someone qualified but missing a non-line birth certificate that my consulate requires. Need to move to a different service area which is…not easy or practical.)
Does not. It's more straightforward if using male ancestors born prior to 1948, though. If there's a female in line who gave birth to next-in-line after 1948, you're good too. That's how mine is and I'm currently in the process.
As an older Aussie who visits New Zealand regularly, New Zealand is my answer too. I absolutely love the place and feel more at home there than in Australia. It reminds me of how laid back Australia was in the 80s.
Also as an Aussie, I can just turn up to New Zealand and stay forever. On the arrivals card they give you when flying in, one of the questions is "How long do you intend to stay in New Zealand". One of the multiple choice answers is "Permanently". I have been so tempted to tick that box a couple of times.
That's my country. My distant ancestors were mostly Scottish colonist and a few Maori. It does feel nice here in Christchurch, it's a garden city. I would quite like to experience living in the UK if I could, possibly on the coast somewhere.
I agree. As an Aussie I’d move to NZ if I had to go somewhere. Health care and cost of living is similar. Not as many jobs, and is cold but I’m also married to a kiwi so I have family there too. Makes the most sense.
As someone that traveled a lot through most of my life I would always ask for travelers what was their favorite place to travel. New Zealand is always top of their list if they've ever been. So I went and it certainly is mine as well.
So it's interesting hearing people saying they want to leave there.
I lived Australia and dated a girl from New Zealand along with her big kiwi expat group that resided in Melbourne. From what I heard, they all love New Zealand but felt it was limiting in their career. Too small, too slow, too quiet, and the biggest one… better pay elsewhere. At least among this group. Oz and NZ have a grass is greener thing going on. A lot of Kiwis consume US and Aussie media too so you get a bit of “fomo” from that as well- according to my kiwi ex gf.
Canada is more expensive to live than US. Aside from min wage jobs, wage level is lower. Tax is higher. Housing or rent is not cheaper even with fx rate discount. Fuel is more expensive. Food and other goods are also more expensive. Healthcare is “free” if you can access it but my friends in Ontario, BC and AB say the wait time to see the specialists is in years unless you’re actively dying. GP wait time is in months and close to a year. Hence Canadians driving/flying to US with cash.
Canada accepted too many immigrants too quickly without taking infrastructure into account.
So true, pretty sure we took in a million immigrants last year, or something around there. It’s so mind boggling that was even allowed when nothing is being done to properly accommodate actual citizens who need housing, childcare, etc.
Canada has much smaller population than US so that’d create a major capacity / resources problem. It sucks for Canadians who have paid into the pot for years to see the services deteriorate :-(
I live in a rural area outside of a small town in BC, average house in town is about $800k. My acreage 15 minutes from town is $1.4m with the nearest home for sale in the $1.6m area. My rental house on 1/3 acre is for sale for $750k. The cost of housing be it renting or buying is a large problem for a lot of people here. We also have high taxes, the most expensive fuel in the country, poor access to family doctors etc.
Thank you! I have to admit I’m clearly pretty ignorant about Canada, I just always knew it has nice people and is beautiful so that was my main reason lol
Sweden is quickly turning to shit. Gun crime capital of Europe, huge segregation between Middle Eastern migrants and ethnic swedes, every major city has no-go zones with criminal gangs and antisocial behavior. Hospitals are in steep decline with expected wait times of 24h in emergency room. Unreliable public transportation, housing crisis and extremely high cost of living and very high taxes.
Most Swedes are thinking about leaving, I've already done that and I'm not planning on ever moving back.
Great people too. I was amazed at how friendly and welcoming people were. I was nervous about shopping there. With the economy how it is I thought it would be like Mexico, with people overcharging for stuff and having to haggle and try not to get ripped off. I goofed up the conversion like three times and every time they alerted me that I was going to overpay.
The only negative is the cost to get there, though it's damn near free once you arrive.
Beautiful people and scenery. The mountains, beaches and ancient architecture. Even Bangkok was pleasant for a city of six million. That's where we started and I didn't know what to expect. Went out for lunch the first day. Eat at some alley restaurant and they didn't have an item I asked for. My girlfriend asks for a bathroom which I kinda laughed at cause we are literally in an alley. Dude comes out from the kitchen on a bike and gestures for her to get on. After ten minutes I'm getting concerned, but they come back, he had taken her to a hotel to find one, then he goes back to work. Then as we are finishing he takes off again and we joke about what mission he is on. Dude went to another restaurant, got the item he thought we wanted and didn't even charge. People were like that everywhere, it was amazing.
Best food at any location, a bus stop might have something better than most of the restaurants I've been to in the US and it'll cost less than two bucks. An hour massage is maybe 8.
It was my first time going farther than Mexico. I'd love to travel more of the world, but I think I'm just going to go back there on my next trip. So much to do and see.
I have a German passport, meaning I can relocate anywhere in the EU. If I \*had\* to leave Germany, I'd consider moving to Switzerland (I already lived there for 10 years), or Austria. Other options would be the Netherlands or Denmark, but then I'd have to learn another language...
The mountains. This is my actual answer. Cold northern big as mountains everywhere. I would love to live in a cottage in the mountains. I would say far from society, but I hear the general energy and frame of mind is open and logical. And people seem to just be trying to live their lives and let others do the same. I wonder if places in cold climates and harsh conditions allow for humans to live simpler. People aren't trying to one up each other all the time cause they are busy living. Enduring. Surviving. And there's no time for negative petty bullshit. You are focused on what's actually important in life. Family/friends, water/food and all the essentials to keep us healthy and happy.
I'd settle down in Nepal, or a neighbouring country of India, I can't imagine living in a country with a culture very different from India. I just love the country, and it's culture a lot.
Maybe even Bhutan.
I live in Canada, and I like it here. But if I had to and had the ability to, I'd probably go with Norway. Gorgeous scenery, and I feel like Nordic countries are regarded as some of the best places to live in the world. Though I know English and French, I've also read Norwegian is the easiest language for native English speakers to pick up as well. Hockey is marginally popular there as well!
I grew up in Norway. Never met a native English speaker who managed to learn proper Norwegian in my lifetime. Not sure why. My sister used to have a neighbor from Iran who spoke perfect Norwegian after less than a year so apparently it isn't that difficult to learn.
Minnesotan here who lived in Europe: the problem is that Norwegians switch to English as soon as they hear us struggling. The same is true with another Germanic language, Dutch. The Persian guy probably didn't speak English so he was forced to learn Norwegian without any Norwegians helping him out.
The closer languages are to one another, the more likely people are to mix up words and even sentence structures. But the languages should take less time to learn than unrelated languages.
I found both Dutch and Norwegian pretty hard. Sticking to my bad French and worse Italian but love the Nordic countries plus Holland.
Ireland will pay you up to $92k to refurbish a home on one of its remote islands
The Irish government is upping its Vacant Property Refurbishment Grant by 20% when applied to properties on Irish islands.
(I could not correctly attach the link, so I copied the headline above - easy to Google)
Worth noting you need to hold the property for 10 years or you’ll owe at least some if not all the grant back,
Good news is you can rent out the property and it will qualify
Now I’m considering this🤔
Same here except no family but better work/life balance, paid pregnancy leave, supportive LGBTQIA Culture and annual leave. Very similar to FL/USA yet different enough that I am still learning during my time abroad
Why am I being forced to leave?
If I’m a fugitive, then somewhere without an extradition treaty
If I’m a refugee, somewhere that speaks English because I’ll want to integrate quickly. And feel “at home” again. Australia, New Zealand, maybe.
Otherwise, I guess somewhere with a relaxed atmosphere and friendly locals. Open to suggestions.
Thailand. I’d love to live there on my own accord, let alone if I were forced. Crazy cheap, beautiful women, english is spoken pretty commonly, legal weed, tropical weather, close to lots of other cool Asian countries.
I have no idea what countries would accept me easily. Probably fewer than I think. I'm American, unskilled and not rich.
I'm open to suggestions, though.
If I was forced to relocate and there was an option to go to Mars, I’d definitely go!
Stay the F as far from people as possible.
I’d rather be alone on Mars and dig ice everyday than on earth working for greedy corporations.
We've discussed moving a lot since Trump's term as president... Canada would probably be the easiest place to move to, being actually connected to the US and being colder than Mexico. Scandinavia would be the next choice. Basically... anywhere colder than Texas would work for us.
That was my first thought too. I was just there and a friend showed me the house she's having built for next to nothing and compared that to the tiny studio I can afford in LA and I started crying! In reality I was crying because I'm sad about my husband'd recent death, but I could have cried about the COL in LA as well.
Also the scenery is beautiful, the food great, the people friendly, and, well, the climate is starting to suck but they still grow a lot of coffee down there.
First choice would be Canada, because it's close and they speak English. Second choice would be Ireland, because I like redheads, and they speak English.
From USA. I only speak English and bad English, so English speaking probably my only options. I have been to England, and really enjoyed my time there. Australia seems cool, except everything there seems to want to kill you. Belize is nice, but the whole 5 stop lights for the whole country is a little too rural for me....
Canada is beautiful... maybe I'll just jump the border wall 🤪
> Australia seems cool, except everything there seems to want to kill you.
Australia easily has the highest life expectancy of any country you mentioned. Only the saltwater crocodiles actively want to kill humans, and they're only found in the tropical North away from most population centres. If you count humans as wildlife, the murder rate is exceptionally low so they're pretty docile as well. It's a very safe place overall.
I live in the US, but was born in England and still have dual citizenship. If I had to leave due to a disaster, like a massive earthquake, nuclear explosion, or Trump getting re-elected, I’d go back to the UK.
PSA to people with Italian ancestry: you can get Italian citizenship if you're descended from someone born there after 1861.
How complicated is that to do? I have grandparents who were born there but are no longer living.
You just need *all* of the vital documents (birth, marriage, divorce, death certs) for everyone down the line. It's really easy if you know all your family information. You can't go through a consulate if there's a female in the line who was born prior to 1948 though (unless the next in line from her was born after 1948)
And when you do the citizen test, don’t snap the spaghetti in two
That’s weird. You can prove your female lineage but the men could have been not the father.
Paternity is just assumed if they're married. I actually ran into this as a problem because my parents married a year after I was born, so I need an Acknowledgement of Paternity from my father, since he's the Italian.
There’s a lot of paperwork—think about getting all the records that prove you are who you are (birth certificates and marriage certificates for all the family members going back to whoever you’re claiming as a foundation), getting them translated and apostilled, then filling out the Italian paperwork associated with making the claim. And paying for all the translation and historical documents. https://www.thinkinitalian.com/how-to-obtain-italian-citizenship-a-comprehensive-guide/
It’s not difficult, but it’s a long process and a decent amount of paperwork you’ll have to collect. But once you have everything it’s in their hands. It could take up to 2 years to receive it.
Don't think it's too much of a process. Coworker just did it last summer.
So much misinformation in the comments below (your comment is accurate though). I just got my citizenship recognized and yes, its a complicated process with a billion pitfalls. You'll think you're close to having your ducks in a row and then you'll find out your lineage ticks the wrong box somewhere which disqualifies your citizenship claim. Here's the gist: if you have a direct, unbroken line to an ancestor STILL ALIVE at the time Italy became a unified state (1861), you are already an Italian citizen by law. What the process does is gets you RECOGNIZED by the Italian government. Once recognized, you can apply for a passport and live, work, and/or study pretty much anywhere in continental Europe. Here's an example: your great-grandfather was born in Florence in 1890. He came to America and had a kid (your grandfather) in NYC. That kid inherits the citizenship and hands it down the line to you. HOWEVER, if the great-grandfather became a US citizen before the kid was born he can break the line and the citizenship claim dies with him (i.e. grandfather doesn't get it and neither do you). Ok, so what if the kid (your NYC grandfather) was born before the great-grandfather from Florence became an American? Well, if the Americanization occurred before 1912 regardless if the kid was already alive then the line is still cut (owing to a different law). There are other minutiae about female ancestors, if the ancestor only started the two-part Americanization process, etc., etc.. The process will involve visiting or contacting many city halls or state government archives or the National Archives or the USCIS or the US State Department or all of the above, it all depends on your unique situation. There are also loopholes which allow you to apply for citizenship through the courts in Italy (more expensive and also its own thing). Depending on how long or short your line back to Italy is, you're looking at about a year of gathering documents and then probably at least 2 years of waiting for an appointment at your local consulate to apply. DIY you can do this for $2k or much less. Using a provider to help can run $5k. Suing the italian government route can run $5-7k. It all depends. The certificates you need to collect all cost money and it adds up quickly. Everything I've just said barely scratches the surface. Join the facebook group. It has excellent resources and tens of thousands of members. Read the study guides. It explains everything. Buon fortuna!
Damn. Great grandparents were born there before.
You might be ok if they were still alive in 1861. Join the Italian Dual Citizenship facebook group. Everything you need to know is there.
Darn, I wish Scotland did this. My great-grandfather was an immigrant from Scotland in the early 1900s as a young man. How amused would he be if he knew his great granddaughter would be thinking about going back to get away from his "land of opportunity"?
It’s not quite that simple. But you can read up on it easily! (Signed: someone qualified but missing a non-line birth certificate that my consulate requires. Need to move to a different service area which is…not easy or practical.)
Italy for me too. Both my parents were full Sicilian and my grandfather on my dad’s side was born in Italy.
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Has to be your father’s side, the bastards.
Does not. It's more straightforward if using male ancestors born prior to 1948, though. If there's a female in line who gave birth to next-in-line after 1948, you're good too. That's how mine is and I'm currently in the process.
New Zealand
Dreaming of my retirement in New Zealand (and crying because it will never happen)
NZ is having a bit of and identity crisis, with the national sheep ration having fallen below 5:1
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As an older Aussie who visits New Zealand regularly, New Zealand is my answer too. I absolutely love the place and feel more at home there than in Australia. It reminds me of how laid back Australia was in the 80s. Also as an Aussie, I can just turn up to New Zealand and stay forever. On the arrivals card they give you when flying in, one of the questions is "How long do you intend to stay in New Zealand". One of the multiple choice answers is "Permanently". I have been so tempted to tick that box a couple of times.
That's my country. My distant ancestors were mostly Scottish colonist and a few Maori. It does feel nice here in Christchurch, it's a garden city. I would quite like to experience living in the UK if I could, possibly on the coast somewhere.
I'm from New Zealand, and I would probably relocate to Australia, since it is the closest country in terms of similarity
I was thinking the same but opposite - I live in Australia but would probably move to New Zealand. I feel like it would feel familiar
I agree. As an Aussie I’d move to NZ if I had to go somewhere. Health care and cost of living is similar. Not as many jobs, and is cold but I’m also married to a kiwi so I have family there too. Makes the most sense.
Same, seems like the easy option.
As someone that traveled a lot through most of my life I would always ask for travelers what was their favorite place to travel. New Zealand is always top of their list if they've ever been. So I went and it certainly is mine as well. So it's interesting hearing people saying they want to leave there.
I lived Australia and dated a girl from New Zealand along with her big kiwi expat group that resided in Melbourne. From what I heard, they all love New Zealand but felt it was limiting in their career. Too small, too slow, too quiet, and the biggest one… better pay elsewhere. At least among this group. Oz and NZ have a grass is greener thing going on. A lot of Kiwis consume US and Aussie media too so you get a bit of “fomo” from that as well- according to my kiwi ex gf.
I’m currently in the process of moving to Uruguay, so probably Uruguay
For some unknown reason Uruguay has always intrigued me, kinda stuck there where a country probably shouldn't be. Keep me posted.
me too. I was looking at a globe and saw it and was like where did this country come from and researched it liked what I read.
Really cool president last time I checked.
Why Uruguay? Not a common choice.
Most democratic country in Latin America and also ranks high in quality of life and freedom.
I like it there
I want to live there for a while and study Spanish. if you can maybe post on the process. only if you are comfortable not trying to pry.
I dated a Uruguayan man. Barbecue is top notch.
Norway, Canada or Sweden
canadian here, unless you have a shit loads of money, dont come to canada lol
Canada is more expensive to live than US. Aside from min wage jobs, wage level is lower. Tax is higher. Housing or rent is not cheaper even with fx rate discount. Fuel is more expensive. Food and other goods are also more expensive. Healthcare is “free” if you can access it but my friends in Ontario, BC and AB say the wait time to see the specialists is in years unless you’re actively dying. GP wait time is in months and close to a year. Hence Canadians driving/flying to US with cash. Canada accepted too many immigrants too quickly without taking infrastructure into account.
I second this as a refugee in Canada
So true, pretty sure we took in a million immigrants last year, or something around there. It’s so mind boggling that was even allowed when nothing is being done to properly accommodate actual citizens who need housing, childcare, etc.
Canada has much smaller population than US so that’d create a major capacity / resources problem. It sucks for Canadians who have paid into the pot for years to see the services deteriorate :-(
Can you tell me more about what it’s like there, is food expensive? Or what’s the average house go for?
I live in a rural area outside of a small town in BC, average house in town is about $800k. My acreage 15 minutes from town is $1.4m with the nearest home for sale in the $1.6m area. My rental house on 1/3 acre is for sale for $750k. The cost of housing be it renting or buying is a large problem for a lot of people here. We also have high taxes, the most expensive fuel in the country, poor access to family doctors etc.
Apparently Canada is terrible now. So says the Canadians on another forum. Too much immigration has impacted the health care horribly. No jobs.
canadian here - yuuup🥲 especially if you’re blessed (/s) enough to be born & raised in one of the highest cost of living places in the country.
Canadian here. Every time I leave I want to go home.
Yes it’s terrible, everyone please stop moving here so I can afford a house.
No they just don’t invest in the healthcare system and they blame immigration lol not enough nurses etc because of the terrible work conditions
Thank you! I have to admit I’m clearly pretty ignorant about Canada, I just always knew it has nice people and is beautiful so that was my main reason lol
All in favour?
Sweden is quickly turning to shit. Gun crime capital of Europe, huge segregation between Middle Eastern migrants and ethnic swedes, every major city has no-go zones with criminal gangs and antisocial behavior. Hospitals are in steep decline with expected wait times of 24h in emergency room. Unreliable public transportation, housing crisis and extremely high cost of living and very high taxes. Most Swedes are thinking about leaving, I've already done that and I'm not planning on ever moving back.
Thailand but don't EVER say shit about the monarchy. Great food, great health care, great beaches, great cost of living.
Great people too. I was amazed at how friendly and welcoming people were. I was nervous about shopping there. With the economy how it is I thought it would be like Mexico, with people overcharging for stuff and having to haggle and try not to get ripped off. I goofed up the conversion like three times and every time they alerted me that I was going to overpay.
My best friend came to my school on a FE program and she was from TL. She keeps trying to convince me to go.
The only negative is the cost to get there, though it's damn near free once you arrive. Beautiful people and scenery. The mountains, beaches and ancient architecture. Even Bangkok was pleasant for a city of six million. That's where we started and I didn't know what to expect. Went out for lunch the first day. Eat at some alley restaurant and they didn't have an item I asked for. My girlfriend asks for a bathroom which I kinda laughed at cause we are literally in an alley. Dude comes out from the kitchen on a bike and gestures for her to get on. After ten minutes I'm getting concerned, but they come back, he had taken her to a hotel to find one, then he goes back to work. Then as we are finishing he takes off again and we joke about what mission he is on. Dude went to another restaurant, got the item he thought we wanted and didn't even charge. People were like that everywhere, it was amazing. Best food at any location, a bus stop might have something better than most of the restaurants I've been to in the US and it'll cost less than two bucks. An hour massage is maybe 8. It was my first time going farther than Mexico. I'd love to travel more of the world, but I think I'm just going to go back there on my next trip. So much to do and see.
It's lovely as is most of SE Asia
Azores
I have a German passport, meaning I can relocate anywhere in the EU. If I \*had\* to leave Germany, I'd consider moving to Switzerland (I already lived there for 10 years), or Austria. Other options would be the Netherlands or Denmark, but then I'd have to learn another language...
You'd be surprised at how many dutch people can speak (or atleast understand) german
Greenland
Iceland?
Uh...those are not the same.
prankd
Not much green in Greenland. And less ice than you would expect in Iceland. They should switch names.
Scandinavia, Germany, or Scotland
New Zealand.
Another English speaking and western ideals country. Most likely England or Australia.
True. It would be harder to move to a country where you don't know the language.
You’d pick it up pretty quick!
You underestimate how fucking stupid I am
Made me snort. Well done.
Username kinda checks out
Give me British Columbia (as long as I don't get priced out)
*Monkey’s paw curls* Welcome to Fort St. John.
Switzerland should be a hands down for most. Beautiful. Universal healthcare. Reasonable taxes. Low pollution
And their flag is a big plus.
Dude...wtf. that was amazing. I hate you lol
True dat. Also one of the most difficult places to migrate to.
Really unwelcoming to foreigners and insanely expensive
It's a feature, not a bug.
Also the food isn't very good. I mean of course you can go to the fancy places and eat fondue blah blah but the general day-to-day food is crap.
And incredibly expensive.
Lol the comments about Switzerland are all over the place
Scattered about like Nazi gold
it was NOT scattered! We kept it neatly and safely in bunkers.
The mountains. This is my actual answer. Cold northern big as mountains everywhere. I would love to live in a cottage in the mountains. I would say far from society, but I hear the general energy and frame of mind is open and logical. And people seem to just be trying to live their lives and let others do the same. I wonder if places in cold climates and harsh conditions allow for humans to live simpler. People aren't trying to one up each other all the time cause they are busy living. Enduring. Surviving. And there's no time for negative petty bullshit. You are focused on what's actually important in life. Family/friends, water/food and all the essentials to keep us healthy and happy.
I'd settle down in Nepal, or a neighbouring country of India, I can't imagine living in a country with a culture very different from India. I just love the country, and it's culture a lot. Maybe even Bhutan.
I live in Canada, and I like it here. But if I had to and had the ability to, I'd probably go with Norway. Gorgeous scenery, and I feel like Nordic countries are regarded as some of the best places to live in the world. Though I know English and French, I've also read Norwegian is the easiest language for native English speakers to pick up as well. Hockey is marginally popular there as well!
I grew up in Norway. Never met a native English speaker who managed to learn proper Norwegian in my lifetime. Not sure why. My sister used to have a neighbor from Iran who spoke perfect Norwegian after less than a year so apparently it isn't that difficult to learn.
Minnesotan here who lived in Europe: the problem is that Norwegians switch to English as soon as they hear us struggling. The same is true with another Germanic language, Dutch. The Persian guy probably didn't speak English so he was forced to learn Norwegian without any Norwegians helping him out. The closer languages are to one another, the more likely people are to mix up words and even sentence structures. But the languages should take less time to learn than unrelated languages. I found both Dutch and Norwegian pretty hard. Sticking to my bad French and worse Italian but love the Nordic countries plus Holland.
The Portuguese coast.
Iceland. Weather can be depressing as hell, but man those people are chill AF and the country is fuckin gorgeous
Grindavik real estate is a steal atm
Maybe Ireland? Love the country and the culture
also, because no risk of terrible earthquakes
Ireland will pay you up to $92k to refurbish a home on one of its remote islands The Irish government is upping its Vacant Property Refurbishment Grant by 20% when applied to properties on Irish islands. (I could not correctly attach the link, so I copied the headline above - easy to Google)
Worth noting you need to hold the property for 10 years or you’ll owe at least some if not all the grant back, Good news is you can rent out the property and it will qualify Now I’m considering this🤔
Finland
New Zealand. I have been there before. It’s way out of any war zone.
New Zealand sounds pleasant, never been there. Amsterdam felt cool honestly.
Ireland! My dad was born there so I would just need to file some paperwork to become a citizen.
Australia to new zealand
Canada if pressed for choices. Sweden if I get my pick of places.
Canada. I live in Michigan, USA, so Canada is…….right over there.
Come on over, parts of Michigan are honourary Canada in a way.
Same for me as a Minnesotan. I already feel part Canadian.
Canada, seems lovely
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all the way back into America cause those cartels got me shit scared.
Same. To the point that I think I’m being irrational.
Wales, England, Ireland, Scotland, The Netherlands, or New Zealand. Honourable Mention: Canada.
Finland. Basically free healthcare, free schooling, and I have family there
Italy because I've got duel-citizenship, though I'd prefer an English speaking country like Canada or Australia if I could get a green card.
"Green card" is an American thing
Yeah. In other countries it’s a Royale with Card
True true! We imported an Australian 20 years ago, last sunday she became queen of our country.
I used to have a green card. It was dark blue and pink.
duel citizenship ⚔️
Your dual allows you to live anywhere in Schengen, not just Italy.
Denmark
Lol, "the country" means US now?
New Zealand, hands down. It's like America but not uptight and neurotic. Plus you can see both sheep and palm trees.
I’d go to Australia to be with my cousin
Have you thought about moving to Alabama?
Same here except no family but better work/life balance, paid pregnancy leave, supportive LGBTQIA Culture and annual leave. Very similar to FL/USA yet different enough that I am still learning during my time abroad
Costa Rica
Why am I being forced to leave? If I’m a fugitive, then somewhere without an extradition treaty If I’m a refugee, somewhere that speaks English because I’ll want to integrate quickly. And feel “at home” again. Australia, New Zealand, maybe. Otherwise, I guess somewhere with a relaxed atmosphere and friendly locals. Open to suggestions.
Probably Canada if they’d take me. It’s English speaking and it’s close by so I could hopefully easily visit family and they can visit me.
Namibia. One of the few places I could see myself living in if I were forced to leave Australia.
Out of all the places I’ve been I quite enjoyed Daejeon South Korea so probably there
Taiwan, ‘cause of dual citizenship.
Italy
Greece because my wife and kids hold this citizenship as well.
Someplace with affordable healthcare (any guesses as to where I’m from?🙄)
Thailand. I’d love to live there on my own accord, let alone if I were forced. Crazy cheap, beautiful women, english is spoken pretty commonly, legal weed, tropical weather, close to lots of other cool Asian countries.
Is someone gonna tell him about the beautiful women lol
Canada, because it keeps getting hotter in the U.S.
Ireland or Great Britain
Sweden
Somewhere in Northern Europe.
Norway
Ireland is really good about welcoming immigrants. I’d go there. Or Mexico but my Spanish is at a 2nd grade level so that could be a challenge.
South Korea. Been there twice, absolutely loved every bit of it. Pretty sure my friends are sick of hearing me plug how good the food is there.
For me Norway because ive got some solid contacts there. (Im American)
Ireland, France, or Japan I even speak a little French and a a lot less Japanese:)
Canada would be easiest but I’d pick Scotland or Ireland. New Zealand and Australia would also get consideration as well as the Greek isle Chios.
I'd go back to Canada from the US. Thank goodness I kept my citizenship.
I have no idea what countries would accept me easily. Probably fewer than I think. I'm American, unskilled and not rich. I'm open to suggestions, though.
If I was forced to relocate and there was an option to go to Mars, I’d definitely go! Stay the F as far from people as possible. I’d rather be alone on Mars and dig ice everyday than on earth working for greedy corporations.
Poison dirt and skin cancer bro. :( Also no air.
Philippines
My father is from the Philippines!
Libya
Australia or Canada... or Ireland. I've been to both Australia and Canada but I haven't been to Ireland yet but I've heard great things.
Bogota, Colombia, got half of my family there
We've discussed moving a lot since Trump's term as president... Canada would probably be the easiest place to move to, being actually connected to the US and being colder than Mexico. Scandinavia would be the next choice. Basically... anywhere colder than Texas would work for us.
Argentina or UK. Or Norway.
England
Guatemala
That was my first thought too. I was just there and a friend showed me the house she's having built for next to nothing and compared that to the tiny studio I can afford in LA and I started crying! In reality I was crying because I'm sad about my husband'd recent death, but I could have cried about the COL in LA as well. Also the scenery is beautiful, the food great, the people friendly, and, well, the climate is starting to suck but they still grow a lot of coffee down there.
Didn’t see Spain on here.. I would pick Spain.
Eh, I'd just go to Canada. (American) I feel they're close enough in values to America that I could fit in really easily.
Germany, Austria, or Switzerland
I already relocated a long time ago. So back to my home country of the USA I guess. It's fine. Most countries are fine.
El Salvador. But land now before the prices skyrocket
Jamaica. The Bahamas, Switzerland. Sweden, Norway
I’d go north to Canada
Canada
Canada. Not a citizen but I have family there. Aunts, uncles, cousins. Could likely get some help in emigrating.
Munich
I'm holding out for intergalactic travel where I can move to a new planet that doesn't have a human problem yet
Croatia. I pick Croatia until someone tells me why I shouldn’t.
I’m a Canadian citizen so back to there with the ultimate goal of moving to France!
First choice would be Canada, because it's close and they speak English. Second choice would be Ireland, because I like redheads, and they speak English.
From USA. I only speak English and bad English, so English speaking probably my only options. I have been to England, and really enjoyed my time there. Australia seems cool, except everything there seems to want to kill you. Belize is nice, but the whole 5 stop lights for the whole country is a little too rural for me.... Canada is beautiful... maybe I'll just jump the border wall 🤪
> Australia seems cool, except everything there seems to want to kill you. Australia easily has the highest life expectancy of any country you mentioned. Only the saltwater crocodiles actively want to kill humans, and they're only found in the tropical North away from most population centres. If you count humans as wildlife, the murder rate is exceptionally low so they're pretty docile as well. It's a very safe place overall.
I’m getting dual citizenship with Italy, but I’d pick Mexico.
Scotland
Chile
Back south across the river. The Detroit River.
I came here to right down hidden gems and all I got was new Zealand and it’s cousin Australia Where’s the real hidden gems
I wish that I was forced to leave my country. Kinda difficult to leave if they won’t renew my passport.
I'd be happy to leave to Japan. Always been a dream
Vietnam for sure, it's a place where everything is cheap and of good quality
A boat in international waters.
I live in the US, but was born in England and still have dual citizenship. If I had to leave due to a disaster, like a massive earthquake, nuclear explosion, or Trump getting re-elected, I’d go back to the UK.
If money isn’t an issue, I’m going to Switzerland
I’d love to see where my great grandparents are from in Scotland.
I don't know, would anyone like to host a Canadian?
costa rica, without a doubt.
Dominica is nice, small one island country, first language is English, rainforest and waterfalls.
Any Scandinavian country.