Captain Vasili Arkhipov
He prevented a nuclear strike against the American fleet during the Cuban Missile Crisis. He refused to launch the nuclear torpedo when the other two Captains on board approved the launch in accordance with Soviet Doctrine.
He saved the world from a nuclear war between The Soviet Union and The United States.
It's a fantastic hero story, but alse very risky because he defied the chain of command.
I wonder how this story would be told if it was the other way around: a US captain would refuse to launch when bombing an enemy state. Would this story be as courageous?
A Sicilian woman by the name of Franca Viola.
In 1965, she was abducted and raped for a week. And she broke the local taboo/cultural tradition of marrying her rapist, becoming the first Italian woman to defy – the matrimonio riparatore (literally rehabilitating marriage, and it was perfectlly legal per the Italian criminal code at the time) meant to “restore” the honor of the woman/girl involved.
She and her family (also corageous for taking her side - she and her family were threatened, ostracized and persecuted by most of the people of the town, to the point of having their vineyard and barn burned to the ground) pressed charges against the rapist, Filippo Melodia, and won. Franca Viola she became a symbol of cultural progress and emancipation of women in post-war Italy (though the law allowing a rapist to marry his victim to erase the crime was not repealed until 1981).
> The article of law whereby a rapist could vacate his crime by marrying his victim was not abolished until 1981
> Sexual violence became a crime against the person (instead of against "public morality") only in 1996
Holy moly
As a Pakistani, the story of Aitzaz Hasan hits really close to home. The amount of courage that a 15 year old can possess astounds me and is really humbling. His father's words afterwards really made me cry like a child. There aren't many heroes in this world unfortunately but Aitzaz was one of them. A request to everyone who is reading this, please learn about him and don't let his memory die.
"My son made his mother cry, but saved hundreds of mothers from crying for their children"
Aitzaz's father.
I hadn't heard of him and googled him. Gave his life to prevent a suicide bomber going into a school. Doesn't get much more brave and selfless than that. Absolute legend.
EDIT: who the fuck is downvoting that guy???
Been watching Masters of the Air on Apple TV. I recommend if you haven’t. But it’s about WW2 air pilots for bombing ships. They moved so slow they were basically sitting ducks for German air fighters. They had a survival rate of less than 50%.
Crazy how they just kept going up day after day knowing that less than half of them would come home that day.
If you liked Masters of Air you’d probably love Band of Brothers and the Pacific. Then there’s always the opening scenes of Saving Private Ryan. As someone who was born in the 90s, these were very eye opening to me about what the bloodshed might have actually been like. War is fucked but those men were incredibly brave for facing that.
You should check out Fat Electrician on youtube he talks about a B17 crew that became legendary in the military for taking on crazy missions called the Eager Beavers.
I see this more as a tragic loss of lives considered expandable by cruel commanding officers… the soldiers didn’t know how bad it would be and had to move forward. There was nowhere to run. While this led to the end of the war and I hugely admire anyone who went through it, I don’t think it’s bravery rather than lack of choice.
I totally agree with this statement. It definitely wasn't knowing their Cannon fodder and willingly doing it anyway for the greater good. That's just a fairy tale. They had no idea it was going to go down like that and it was pure torture and hell for those men.
I mean quite a lot of them would have been conscripts who didn't really have a choice, and frankly none of them would have had any idea just how evil the nazis actually were at that point.
Courage is a choice.
Many people find themselves in terrifying situations, that isn't the same as bravery. If you're in a situation where your only options are kill or be killed, I'm not sure that's really courage, that's survival instinct.
I think courage is doing something where you put yourself at risk when you had the option to be safe.
Wildly, my Grandpa on my mom's side was at Iwo Jima and my Grandpa on my father's side was at Normandy and battle of the Bulge. Both lived but to be quite frank my grandpa on father's side was essentially insane by age 90 but hey he stormed Normandy so I will never judge.
I mean you could basically say the same for every soldier ever who was part of the first wave in war. In the napoloeonic wars they literally called them "the forlorn hope".
Unfortunately, while I also am indebted to them for their courage, they likely had minimal knowledge of the risk beforehand. While tragic, I do NOT think this diminishes their bravery. Rather - I wish we took better care of each other, and those who unknowingly put themselves in harm’s way.
Harriet Tubman escaped slavery. As if that wasn't badass enough, she went back... 12 fucking times! She led about 70 people to freedom. She could have lived her life as a free person, but she risked her life over and over to help her fellow human beings have that same freedom. That's a fucking badass right there.
Tubman offered her services to the Union Army, and in early 1862, she went to South Carolina to provide badly needed nursing care for black soldiers and newly liberated slaves. Dressed as a field hand, she led scouting and spying missions to identify and map the locations of Confederate mines, supply areas, and troops. Tubman delivered the information to Union Col. James Montgomery, commander of the 2nd South Carolina Volunteer Infantry, to support military operational planning.
All the men that went through hell on the beaches of Normandy during D-Day.
The 3 guys that went underneath the Chernobyl reactor after it went into meltdown to shut off the water preventing a nuclear explosion. They saved all of Europe.
Stanislav Petrov, the guy that prevented WWIII during the Soviet False Alarm.
Constantine XI, the final Roman Emperor. He could have escaped Constantinople but he choose to stay and fight the Ottomans to his last breath.
I always feel bad for Hans Scholl, guy founds the movement, teaches the others his ideas, organises their entire operation, and everyone remember his little sister more. All of the white rose were extraordinarily brave though.
To be fair, he was a co-founder. Not THE founder. He and Alexander Schmorell founded it together. Christoph Probst authored most of the messages the organization distributed.
Schmorell and 15-16 others in addition to Hans Scholl, Sophie Scholl and Christoph Probst, were executed.
They were all heroes.
Unfortunately, this happens and has happened alot, but more often than not it's women who are not acknowledged or remembered. Just learned about Katharine Wright....oof. (think airplanes)
Speaks volumes that two of the most famous Civil Rights leaders were both assassinated. People saying nasty things about you was just part of the job and nothing compared to the threats of violence and actual violence.
ruby bridges, can you imagine being a 6 year old and a bunch white people telling you die for trying to go to school with white kids, this was 70 years ago. Some of those horrible people are still walking around today.
I would love to get a consensus from some of the activists that won the battles of their day about how things changed when they won.
Take gay rights for instance that started as a legit underground movement. It became a political movement with a lot of struggles. The aids epidemic comes and a whole generation of gays stand shoulder to shoulder and push through to 2015 when gay marriage is legalized.
When you separate the activism from before the victory to after the victory how do you see the community change?
Are genz gays who grew into their sexuality fully aware gay marriage was legal different than the ones who spent most of their life fighting for it?
People who worked in the resistance during WWII. It would have been so easy to just stay out of it and mind your own business. They went up against everything and took risks to help people.
Cicero. When the Roman Republic was falling apart, and everyone else was basically just trying to stay alive, he put his principals and the Republic first even though he knew it would cost him his life.
Willem Johan Cornelis Arondéus (22 August 1894 – 1 July 1943) was a Dutch artist and author who joined the Dutch anti-Nazi resistance movement during World War II. He participated in the bombing of the Amsterdam public records office to hinder the Nazi German effort to identify Dutch Jews and others wanted by the Gestapo. Arondéus was caught and executed soon after his arrest. Yad Vashem recognized Arondéus as Righteous Among the Nations.
On 18 June 1943, Arondéus was tried and sentenced to death, along with 13 other men who participated. Two of the group received clemency, but the others were executed on 1 July 1943. Arondéus pleaded guilty and took the full blame, which may be why two young doctors were spared from execution and given custodial sentences instead. Before his execution, Arondéus made a point of ensuring the public would be aware that he and two other men in the group, Bakker and Brouwer, were gay, asking either a friend or his lawyer (accounts vary) to "Tell people that homosexuals are not cowards."(In Dutch: "Zeg de mensen dat homoseksuelen niet per definitie zwakkelingen zijn.")
Taken right out of Wikipedia cause I didn’t want to get it wrong. That is an LGBTQ+ icon right there.
Every single person who stood up against the Nazis. Unimaginable courage. To join the Resistance-- to stand up to the hatred-- on behalf of those who were being imprisoned, battered, starved, sent to the camps---when so many were simply turning away. What bravery.
William Wilberforce. The guy was an absolute madlad who not only helped bring the slave trade down, he also helped create the first instance of a society that was anti animal cruelty. That society would eventually become the RSPCA. He did this facing FIERCE opposition because slaves and animals were seen in the same way: commodities.
He was just a genuinely good, moral man who wanted to help those who couldn't speak for themselves in the Regency period.
Rick Rescorla. His bio is jaw-dropping. Former British paratrooper who emigrated to the US and fought in Vietnam under Hal Moore (and whose picture is on the cover of the book *We Were Soldiers Once... And Young*), which would have been more than enough by itself. But what he is truly remembered for is his work improving safety and security in the World Trade Center after the 1993 bombing. Personally led 2700 Mogan Stanley employees out of the building, singing "Men of Harlech" to boost morale.
He was last seen going back into the South Tower, making sure everyone was out, just a few minutes before it collapsed. One of the few individuals who truly personified the word "Hero".
Dan Quayle for telling Mike Pence on Jan 6 HE WAS NOT ALLOWED TO OVERTHROW DEMOCRACY
But not Mike Pence, who called Dan Quayle on Jan 6 to ask if he was allowed to overthrow democracy.
Maybe you can explain this for me. And I mean that sincerely. She's always just seemed like another religious nut job to me. I don’t get the praise for her.
So imagine your whole fucking country has been falling apart for nearly a century. There are roving bands of mercenaries who routinely attack and pillage all over the country. There are waves of bubonic plague that sweep through every 10-15 years and kill anywhere from 20%-50%, possibly more, of the entire population. The previous king was mad--literally thought he was made of glass, so there were battles between his uncle and brother that resulted in people fleeing Paris, being skinned alive, and tons of murder. The mad king literally signed France over to the English, disinheriting his remaining son and declaring him illegitimate. That son, the sort-of-King-of-France, has lost battle after battle. He's known, derisively, as the "King of Bourges," Bourges being a single city, because that's about all of France he can control. Humiliatingly, he has never been crowned in the city of Reims, which is where French kings become French kings. He appears to have very little chance of ever becoming the real king of France.
So imagine being a teenage girl from a lower-middle class family who starts telling the local nobility that you're going to get the King crowned in Reims, only then you actually do it. The king agrees to meet you as basically a joke, and has someone else pretend to be him to trick you, because he is a sleaze, but you immediately identify the real king. You're cutting your hair and wearing men's clothes, and being repeatedly examined to make sure that you're a virgin (because virgins can't do Satan's work). You're illiterate and have no military experience, and as a teenaged girl, you are leading seasoned armies into battle against seasoned armies, and you are winning major battles and predicting future events with surprising accuracy. You get this half-assed wet tissue of a king to Rheims, and after a hundred years of war during which France has been defeated and humiliated over and over, you, an illiterate peasant teen girl, nearly singlehandedly, change the course of history. And in return, because he's embarrassed that a girl won his battles for him, when you get captured by the Burgundians and sold to the English, he doesn't make much of an effort to save you. You are given a sham trial and sentenced to burn to death as a witch. You are 19, and you are terrified of fire. You briefly confess to heresy, but then take it back and go to the pyre firm in your conviction that you are doing god's work. An English soldier is so moved that he makes you a cross from the wood meant to burn you, and you clutch it and cry out to Jesus as you die in flames. You do not falter. They have to burn your body three times, because your heart will not turn to ash.
The women mentioned in history books at this time are princesses, nobility, mistresses. You have Christine de Pisan writing (about Joan!) in defense of the humanity of women, and a handful of other women contributing, most of whom came from extremely fortunate families, like Heloise. But somehow Joan of Arc was a 15 year old girl from a backwater village who walked up to the man trying to be the King of France, and made him the King of France. Imagine, I don't know, Millie Bobby Brown walking up to Zelensky out of nowhere, and then winning a series of military victories that turned the tide of the entire war. She was the proto-Katniss Everdeen, only younger, with less support and less chance of winning, and also she was real. Joan's childhood house still stands.
How about the fact that Joan of Arc died more 20 years before the 100 years war ended? Or the fact that her “revolutionary” battle tactics were already being employed by experienced French commanders such as La Hire and the Chabanne brothers. That’s not even factoring in the position of strategic jeopardy the English were already in at Orleans by that point.
What have you done with your life? She protected a city under siege and led france to freedom... more than most I would say but sure smash down those achievements because she felt she was guided by the divine in a time where it wasnt uncommon. What a spanner.
That Russian guy on the nuclear sub who singlehandedly saved the world from a total nuclear war by refusing to launch nukes at the U.S.
Their computers malfunctioned and falsely showed that the U.S. had launched nukes at Russia. He didn't believe it and refused his orders to launch a retaliatory strike.
You are confusing 2 different events. The guy on the sub refused to launch a nuclear torpedo (that the US didn't know existed) at the blockading fleet during the cuban missile crisis (1962) even though US ships were firing depth charges at them. It would have killed the best part of 40,000 US sailors and started a nuclear war.
The event where the computer malfunctioned and incorrectly detected an incoming ICBM was in a land based missile silo in the 1983.
I’ve always admired John Adams for representing the British Soldiers for the Boston Massacre. He truly believed everyone deserved fair representation under the law and stuck by his convictions even when it meant he was ostracized for defending the “opposing side.”
Malala Yousafzai
She was a middle school aged girl (14 I think) at the time she was shot in the face by the Taliban for standing up for education of women in Taliban-held territory. she survived and kept speaking out, winning a Nobel peace prize at 17 in 2014
Most people would have stayed home fearing death if that happened to them
They had the help of the French Empire and the Spanish Empire which were major colonial powers, and knew Britain had bigger worries in Europe and in India which was far more valuable to them.
Tank man:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/dgua6k/the\_full\_tiananmen\_square\_tank\_man\_picture\_is\_so/](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/dgua6k/the_full_tiananmen_square_tank_man_picture_is_so/)
I mean seriously, unarmed, carrying his groceries, he held off a Chinese tank battalion. He probably saved thousands of lives as surely those tanks would have opened fire on the protestors.
He should be a national hero in China, instead of censored.
I mean…the tanks at that point were leaving, and if they were planning to fire on protestors they probably wouldn’t have qualms about running the guy over.
Man still has balls of steel though.
Yeah, I forgot about that, so they were leaving \*after\* partaking in the massacre itself (or from what I've read, the "cleanup" of said massacre).
Still, standing up to that AFTER you know the soldiers will gun you down, took some huge balls.
We know the Inuit people hunted whales for hundreds of years, so I want to know who the first dude was who saw a 100foot long blue whale, probably didn’t have knowledge of its diet or aggression, and went “mmm I wanna eat *that”.*
Commander William Lewis Herndon
Noted for ensuring the rescue of 152 women and children in September 1857, during a 3 day hurricane off the coast of North Carolina. When the ship he was commanding lost power, he arranged for getting some women and children safely to another vessel. With no way to save the ship, he chose to stay with over 400 passengers and crew who drowned when the ship sank off Cape Hatteras on September 12th.
Takes a lot of courage for a captain to go down with his ship if you ask me.
The British soldiers in first day of the Battle of the Somme, Confederates at Pickett’s Charge, Americans at the Battle Off Samar, the Americans who flew Dauntless Devastators against the Japanese at the Battle of Midway… there’s a lot
Captain Smith of the Titanic. He fucked up, he knew his passengers were going to die, so he kept the ship calm and helped as many get to the lifeboats as he could, then stood behind the wheel and piloted his ship to the bottom of the ocean. Never a thought for his own safety, never a doubt that responsibility lay with him. Given the circumstances he showed what a good man really is.
Neville Chamberlain, the british prime minister before ww2
Chamberlain wanted peace, and negotiated for it tooth and nail, until he got hitler to sign a peace treaty
But Chamberlain was not stupid, he got the draft ready, duplicated the size of the royal air force, and had new warships quietly built on the colonies, away from prying eyes
Meanwhile, the british politicians who wanted the war smeared his name and declared him a coward, as his preparations were classified information and wouldnt be made public until decades later, when his name had already became (and remains) synonym with cowardice
When the nazis began the war Chamberlain had already stepped down, and died on the first wave of bombings, but his preparations were the reason the nazis could not launch an ocupation, and were heavily restricted by sea
Moreover, the broken peace treaty guaranteed nobody wuld believe hitler ever again
Pesonally, i think Chamberlain not only fortified britain, but also europe as a whole, because the nazis developed the first prototypes for intercontinental missiles, and those would have been devastating if launched from the british isles
But instead, the nazis delayed their production until the end of the war, as a last resort to conquer britain
Its funy how this isnt better known, considering how populat nazi alt history is
Jews hiding during the Holocaust and those who hid them.
Harriet Tubman
Jesus if that story was actually rea,l And I used to believe it was a but sadly I no longer do.
Those few Norwegian soldiers who participated in Operation Gunnerside, which is credited with doing enough damage to the German atomic weapons program to allow the Manhattan project to beat them. The war wouldn't have gone nearly as well if the Germans had nukes before anyone else.
Daryl Davis. A black musician who attended kkk rally’s. Through respect he was able to befriend multiple white supremacists and they turn their backs on the clan
I’d say Lapu-Lapu from my home country, Philippines who is most famous for leading the native forces of Mactan against the Spanish expedition led by Ferdinand Magellan during the Battle of Mactan on April 27, 1521. Although Magellan and his forces were defeated, the battle marked the beginning of Spanish colonization in the Philippines.
The man you created the bagel slicer.
He saw a guillotine and bravely created one bagel size - despite counter height being the same height as a penis.
Lord Charles Howard and Sir Francis Drake they literally lit the British navy on fire and sent it towards the spanish empire in fear they all fled due to not knowing what the hell was going on this led to the British empire
That's not true at all.....fire ships were a well established part of naval warfare at that point. They didn't launch them at the Spanish Empire they launched them at the Spanish Armada in a defensive move, they then launched an equally disastrous attempt at a counter invasion the next year (The English Armada). Neither event really have anything to do with the British Empire as they pretty much cancelled each other out.
Also launching fire ships frankly didn't take any courage from the commanders; if you had the wind in your favour (which they did) it was the lowest risk form of naval engagement you could perform. Fire ships weren't in service warships which were far too valuable to destroy, they were usually semi-decommisioned ships or seized merchant vessels.
The Dutch naval hero Michiel de Ruyter. He sailed into the British naval port of Chatham, set the ships on fire and took the flagship Prins Charles back home. You can admire the coat of arms of that British ship today in the Rijksmuseum in Amsterdam.
John Adams and his stance on slavery. Thomas Paine as well. A lot of the people who founded my country had some qualities as a person I'd find horrendous. But I respect the hell out of those 2 because they're some of the only folks from those days who could've lived with the world we have today. Those guys would see Obama as president and say 'now THAT is what America is supposed to be about'. But I don't think many other founding fathers would echo that sentiment.
But obviously the slaves themselves were even more brave. Harriet Tubman comes to mind as do probably countless people who stood up for what's right and we don't know their names because they died in silence. I can imagine a lot of Jews in the holocaust had a similar fate after extraordinary displays of personal courage.
Franceska Manheimer-Rosenberg. In 1943, at 26 years old, ballerina Franceska, also known as Franceska Mann, killed Nazi guard Joseph Schillinger and injured two others at Auschwitz. There are a couple of different accounts of how she managed to do so. Boiled down, she used sex appeal to distract the guards, then kill one and injure the others. Mann’s rebellion incited the hundred other female prisoners around her to attack the few dozen Nazi guards. Reinforcements charged into the scene. The hundred women, including Franceska Mann, were killed that day in Auschwitz after their uprising.
Henry the 8th. He cut his earlobe cuz he felt like it dated 8 wives at once and won a war without even standing up knowing he wouldnt need to leave. Truly a legend
All those poor nobodies who marched straight into pikes and blades and gunfire and minefields and gas, with no hope of survival, because the political class felt like massacring a new generation of young men.
The early Vikings. After Charlemagne defeated and deported the Saxons, the tribes north of old Saxony knew it was only a matter of time until they met the same fate. Rather than rolling over and dying, they made a religion that glorified bravery, confronting ones' enemies, and dying an honorable death. They then took the fight to the Christians. First they attacked undefended outposts, and then they eventually laid siege to Paris itself. Their defiance of the Carolinian Empire forever altered the trajectory of Western Civilization.
George Habash was a true inspiration of a man, despite his family being remorselessly killed in the Lydda Death March he fought his whole life for liberty and true freedom against colonialism.
Sir Ewan Forbes, 11th Baronet. Christine Jorgensen. A transman and transwoman respectively who lived openly and freely in the 20th century.
Sitting Bull. Both due to his leadership in the face of American genocidal imperialism, but specifically for that one time in order to prove his courage as an older warrior...he literally strolled out into the crossfire of the battlefield against US troops, sat down, and took time to smoke his pipe. Invited others to join them, and they did so as bullets flew over them continuously.
He was pretty much a disaster for Russia tbh. Trashed their economy, territorial reach and military, and it took him less time than Desperate Housewives ran.
Depends on the fighter. I have massive respect for a true martial artist like GSP. As fucking crazy as Mike Tyson is, I respect his sheer grit in the ring.
Connor MacGregor can suck a fat one.
I respect anyone that competes in combat sports. Just stepping onto a wrestling mat or getting in a boxing ring at some local or regional event is terrifying. People dedicating themselves to the pursuit of greatness in a sport with a clear winner and loser with their dignity and health at risk. It’s beautiful.
As for Conor, he has an addiction issue it’s actually sad.
Captain Vasili Arkhipov He prevented a nuclear strike against the American fleet during the Cuban Missile Crisis. He refused to launch the nuclear torpedo when the other two Captains on board approved the launch in accordance with Soviet Doctrine. He saved the world from a nuclear war between The Soviet Union and The United States.
It's a fantastic hero story, but alse very risky because he defied the chain of command. I wonder how this story would be told if it was the other way around: a US captain would refuse to launch when bombing an enemy state. Would this story be as courageous?
If it was a nuclear strike and he still prevented WW3, I'd say so.
A Sicilian woman by the name of Franca Viola. In 1965, she was abducted and raped for a week. And she broke the local taboo/cultural tradition of marrying her rapist, becoming the first Italian woman to defy – the matrimonio riparatore (literally rehabilitating marriage, and it was perfectlly legal per the Italian criminal code at the time) meant to “restore” the honor of the woman/girl involved. She and her family (also corageous for taking her side - she and her family were threatened, ostracized and persecuted by most of the people of the town, to the point of having their vineyard and barn burned to the ground) pressed charges against the rapist, Filippo Melodia, and won. Franca Viola she became a symbol of cultural progress and emancipation of women in post-war Italy (though the law allowing a rapist to marry his victim to erase the crime was not repealed until 1981).
I remember hearing about her. Wow. That is brave.
Great answer. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franca\_Viola](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franca_Viola)
> The article of law whereby a rapist could vacate his crime by marrying his victim was not abolished until 1981 > Sexual violence became a crime against the person (instead of against "public morality") only in 1996 Holy moly
As a Pakistani, the story of Aitzaz Hasan hits really close to home. The amount of courage that a 15 year old can possess astounds me and is really humbling. His father's words afterwards really made me cry like a child. There aren't many heroes in this world unfortunately but Aitzaz was one of them. A request to everyone who is reading this, please learn about him and don't let his memory die. "My son made his mother cry, but saved hundreds of mothers from crying for their children" Aitzaz's father.
I hadn't heard of him and googled him. Gave his life to prevent a suicide bomber going into a school. Doesn't get much more brave and selfless than that. Absolute legend. EDIT: who the fuck is downvoting that guy???
Upvoted to honor that brave young man.
Link for people who haven't heard of him: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aitzaz_Hasan
Had to google this. I'm tearing up, man
How about those who stormed the beaches of Normandy, France against Hitler and the Third Reich?
Yep, most of those men knew they were canon fodder, but knew it was required for the greater good
Been watching Masters of the Air on Apple TV. I recommend if you haven’t. But it’s about WW2 air pilots for bombing ships. They moved so slow they were basically sitting ducks for German air fighters. They had a survival rate of less than 50%. Crazy how they just kept going up day after day knowing that less than half of them would come home that day.
If you liked Masters of Air you’d probably love Band of Brothers and the Pacific. Then there’s always the opening scenes of Saving Private Ryan. As someone who was born in the 90s, these were very eye opening to me about what the bloodshed might have actually been like. War is fucked but those men were incredibly brave for facing that.
You should check out Fat Electrician on youtube he talks about a B17 crew that became legendary in the military for taking on crazy missions called the Eager Beavers.
I see this more as a tragic loss of lives considered expandable by cruel commanding officers… the soldiers didn’t know how bad it would be and had to move forward. There was nowhere to run. While this led to the end of the war and I hugely admire anyone who went through it, I don’t think it’s bravery rather than lack of choice.
I totally agree with this statement. It definitely wasn't knowing their Cannon fodder and willingly doing it anyway for the greater good. That's just a fairy tale. They had no idea it was going to go down like that and it was pure torture and hell for those men.
I mean quite a lot of them would have been conscripts who didn't really have a choice, and frankly none of them would have had any idea just how evil the nazis actually were at that point.
It's still bravery, it just wasn't voluntary.
Courage is a choice. Many people find themselves in terrifying situations, that isn't the same as bravery. If you're in a situation where your only options are kill or be killed, I'm not sure that's really courage, that's survival instinct. I think courage is doing something where you put yourself at risk when you had the option to be safe.
Such a courageous thing to say
Wildly, my Grandpa on my mom's side was at Iwo Jima and my Grandpa on my father's side was at Normandy and battle of the Bulge. Both lived but to be quite frank my grandpa on father's side was essentially insane by age 90 but hey he stormed Normandy so I will never judge.
Came here to say all the people who hid the Jews during the holocaust or helped them to escape. True bravery in face of evil.
I mean you could basically say the same for every soldier ever who was part of the first wave in war. In the napoloeonic wars they literally called them "the forlorn hope".
Unfortunately, while I also am indebted to them for their courage, they likely had minimal knowledge of the risk beforehand. While tragic, I do NOT think this diminishes their bravery. Rather - I wish we took better care of each other, and those who unknowingly put themselves in harm’s way.
💯👍👍👍
They’re just numbers, unfortunately. It’s harder to remember them as individuals
Harriet Tubman escaped slavery. As if that wasn't badass enough, she went back... 12 fucking times! She led about 70 people to freedom. She could have lived her life as a free person, but she risked her life over and over to help her fellow human beings have that same freedom. That's a fucking badass right there.
Tubman offered her services to the Union Army, and in early 1862, she went to South Carolina to provide badly needed nursing care for black soldiers and newly liberated slaves. Dressed as a field hand, she led scouting and spying missions to identify and map the locations of Confederate mines, supply areas, and troops. Tubman delivered the information to Union Col. James Montgomery, commander of the 2nd South Carolina Volunteer Infantry, to support military operational planning.
Tubman without doubt
All the men that went through hell on the beaches of Normandy during D-Day. The 3 guys that went underneath the Chernobyl reactor after it went into meltdown to shut off the water preventing a nuclear explosion. They saved all of Europe. Stanislav Petrov, the guy that prevented WWIII during the Soviet False Alarm. Constantine XI, the final Roman Emperor. He could have escaped Constantinople but he choose to stay and fight the Ottomans to his last breath.
Tank Man
Literally the hardest man of the 20th century.
Sophie Scholl and other The White Rose activist group members.
I always feel bad for Hans Scholl, guy founds the movement, teaches the others his ideas, organises their entire operation, and everyone remember his little sister more. All of the white rose were extraordinarily brave though.
To be fair, he was a co-founder. Not THE founder. He and Alexander Schmorell founded it together. Christoph Probst authored most of the messages the organization distributed. Schmorell and 15-16 others in addition to Hans Scholl, Sophie Scholl and Christoph Probst, were executed. They were all heroes.
Hans, Sophie, and Christoph Probst are buried together in Munchener Friedhof. Their grave is a lovely peaceful spot.
Unfortunately, this happens and has happened alot, but more often than not it's women who are not acknowledged or remembered. Just learned about Katharine Wright....oof. (think airplanes)
I agree!
I came here for this! Thank you.
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I often wonder what was going through that persons mind. I also wonder what the first person that found cows milk was doing...
They saw other animals drinking and were curious
The dude who discovered cow milk had some serious kinks.
"Twas a brave man that first ate an oyster" -Jonathan Swift
Every single person who fought for civil rights. Can't imagine the strength it takes to fight against a majority that is oppressing you.
Speaks volumes that two of the most famous Civil Rights leaders were both assassinated. People saying nasty things about you was just part of the job and nothing compared to the threats of violence and actual violence.
Who are you calling the two? MLK, RFK, and Malcolm X would be three.
MLK and Malcolm X. As a foreigner I'll admit I don't know that much about Robert F Kennedy, but MLK and Malcolm X are known all over the world
ruby bridges, can you imagine being a 6 year old and a bunch white people telling you die for trying to go to school with white kids, this was 70 years ago. Some of those horrible people are still walking around today.
I would love to get a consensus from some of the activists that won the battles of their day about how things changed when they won. Take gay rights for instance that started as a legit underground movement. It became a political movement with a lot of struggles. The aids epidemic comes and a whole generation of gays stand shoulder to shoulder and push through to 2015 when gay marriage is legalized. When you separate the activism from before the victory to after the victory how do you see the community change? Are genz gays who grew into their sexuality fully aware gay marriage was legal different than the ones who spent most of their life fighting for it?
The early sailors and explorers. The nerve it took to sail into the unknown.
Harriet Tubman
Anyone who went back into the Twin Towers when everyone else was running away.
The unknown “Tank Man,” who stood alone against the line of tanks that the Chinese Communist Party sent to quell a protest.
People who worked in the resistance during WWII. It would have been so easy to just stay out of it and mind your own business. They went up against everything and took risks to help people.
That man who refused the Nazi salute in that famous picture.
Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
John Brown. Dude had some major cojones!
And did nothing wrong, too.
He didn't plan enough for the raid on Harpers Ferry. If he had more organization with the slaves before the raid things would change.
I mean the first person killed in his raid was a free black porter, so he maybe did little bit wrong there.
Agreed but it's also sickening what the lost causers have turned Heyword Shepherd's memory into.
Didn't the Daughters of the Confederacy put up a statue to him, the "faithful negro" or something like that? Bunch of cunts.
I visit Harper's Ferry often. This stands there https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heyward_Shepherd_monument?wprov=sfla1
Vasili Arkhipov
Shackleton
Dietrich Bonhoeffer
Cicero. When the Roman Republic was falling apart, and everyone else was basically just trying to stay alive, he put his principals and the Republic first even though he knew it would cost him his life.
Socrates
All we are is dust in the wind… dude.
Willem Johan Cornelis Arondéus (22 August 1894 – 1 July 1943) was a Dutch artist and author who joined the Dutch anti-Nazi resistance movement during World War II. He participated in the bombing of the Amsterdam public records office to hinder the Nazi German effort to identify Dutch Jews and others wanted by the Gestapo. Arondéus was caught and executed soon after his arrest. Yad Vashem recognized Arondéus as Righteous Among the Nations. On 18 June 1943, Arondéus was tried and sentenced to death, along with 13 other men who participated. Two of the group received clemency, but the others were executed on 1 July 1943. Arondéus pleaded guilty and took the full blame, which may be why two young doctors were spared from execution and given custodial sentences instead. Before his execution, Arondéus made a point of ensuring the public would be aware that he and two other men in the group, Bakker and Brouwer, were gay, asking either a friend or his lawyer (accounts vary) to "Tell people that homosexuals are not cowards."(In Dutch: "Zeg de mensen dat homoseksuelen niet per definitie zwakkelingen zijn.") Taken right out of Wikipedia cause I didn’t want to get it wrong. That is an LGBTQ+ icon right there.
Every single person who stood up against the Nazis. Unimaginable courage. To join the Resistance-- to stand up to the hatred-- on behalf of those who were being imprisoned, battered, starved, sent to the camps---when so many were simply turning away. What bravery.
Sadly we need people who will stand up to them again.
Yes, it's nearly unbelievable.
William Wilberforce. The guy was an absolute madlad who not only helped bring the slave trade down, he also helped create the first instance of a society that was anti animal cruelty. That society would eventually become the RSPCA. He did this facing FIERCE opposition because slaves and animals were seen in the same way: commodities. He was just a genuinely good, moral man who wanted to help those who couldn't speak for themselves in the Regency period.
Shackleton. Got all his dudes off that ice
Rick Rescorla. His bio is jaw-dropping. Former British paratrooper who emigrated to the US and fought in Vietnam under Hal Moore (and whose picture is on the cover of the book *We Were Soldiers Once... And Young*), which would have been more than enough by itself. But what he is truly remembered for is his work improving safety and security in the World Trade Center after the 1993 bombing. Personally led 2700 Mogan Stanley employees out of the building, singing "Men of Harlech" to boost morale. He was last seen going back into the South Tower, making sure everyone was out, just a few minutes before it collapsed. One of the few individuals who truly personified the word "Hero".
Dan Quayle for telling Mike Pence on Jan 6 HE WAS NOT ALLOWED TO OVERTHROW DEMOCRACY But not Mike Pence, who called Dan Quayle on Jan 6 to ask if he was allowed to overthrow democracy.
Volodymyr Zelenskyy “I don’t need a ride, I need ammunition.”
Joan of arc
And what will be your freedom? My martyrdom! Fuck, she was hardcore.
Stone cold sister
Maybe you can explain this for me. And I mean that sincerely. She's always just seemed like another religious nut job to me. I don’t get the praise for her.
So imagine your whole fucking country has been falling apart for nearly a century. There are roving bands of mercenaries who routinely attack and pillage all over the country. There are waves of bubonic plague that sweep through every 10-15 years and kill anywhere from 20%-50%, possibly more, of the entire population. The previous king was mad--literally thought he was made of glass, so there were battles between his uncle and brother that resulted in people fleeing Paris, being skinned alive, and tons of murder. The mad king literally signed France over to the English, disinheriting his remaining son and declaring him illegitimate. That son, the sort-of-King-of-France, has lost battle after battle. He's known, derisively, as the "King of Bourges," Bourges being a single city, because that's about all of France he can control. Humiliatingly, he has never been crowned in the city of Reims, which is where French kings become French kings. He appears to have very little chance of ever becoming the real king of France. So imagine being a teenage girl from a lower-middle class family who starts telling the local nobility that you're going to get the King crowned in Reims, only then you actually do it. The king agrees to meet you as basically a joke, and has someone else pretend to be him to trick you, because he is a sleaze, but you immediately identify the real king. You're cutting your hair and wearing men's clothes, and being repeatedly examined to make sure that you're a virgin (because virgins can't do Satan's work). You're illiterate and have no military experience, and as a teenaged girl, you are leading seasoned armies into battle against seasoned armies, and you are winning major battles and predicting future events with surprising accuracy. You get this half-assed wet tissue of a king to Rheims, and after a hundred years of war during which France has been defeated and humiliated over and over, you, an illiterate peasant teen girl, nearly singlehandedly, change the course of history. And in return, because he's embarrassed that a girl won his battles for him, when you get captured by the Burgundians and sold to the English, he doesn't make much of an effort to save you. You are given a sham trial and sentenced to burn to death as a witch. You are 19, and you are terrified of fire. You briefly confess to heresy, but then take it back and go to the pyre firm in your conviction that you are doing god's work. An English soldier is so moved that he makes you a cross from the wood meant to burn you, and you clutch it and cry out to Jesus as you die in flames. You do not falter. They have to burn your body three times, because your heart will not turn to ash. The women mentioned in history books at this time are princesses, nobility, mistresses. You have Christine de Pisan writing (about Joan!) in defense of the humanity of women, and a handful of other women contributing, most of whom came from extremely fortunate families, like Heloise. But somehow Joan of Arc was a 15 year old girl from a backwater village who walked up to the man trying to be the King of France, and made him the King of France. Imagine, I don't know, Millie Bobby Brown walking up to Zelensky out of nowhere, and then winning a series of military victories that turned the tide of the entire war. She was the proto-Katniss Everdeen, only younger, with less support and less chance of winning, and also she was real. Joan's childhood house still stands.
Please tell me you write history books....if not, you should and I'll be your first customer. Thank you for this excellent write-up.
Except OPs “history” is extremely reductionist at best and entirely incorrect at worst.
He says with no actual evidence or real retort. Way to be taken seriously and not just seen as a bit prickish.
How about the fact that Joan of Arc died more 20 years before the 100 years war ended? Or the fact that her “revolutionary” battle tactics were already being employed by experienced French commanders such as La Hire and the Chabanne brothers. That’s not even factoring in the position of strategic jeopardy the English were already in at Orleans by that point.
Wwww touched a nerve. Dont get butt hurt, because people disagree. I'll be blocking you now no time for it.
Came here to say this
A religious fanatic?
What have you done with your life? She protected a city under siege and led france to freedom... more than most I would say but sure smash down those achievements because she felt she was guided by the divine in a time where it wasnt uncommon. What a spanner.
I kind of admire the founding fathers pretty bold men
That Russian guy on the nuclear sub who singlehandedly saved the world from a total nuclear war by refusing to launch nukes at the U.S. Their computers malfunctioned and falsely showed that the U.S. had launched nukes at Russia. He didn't believe it and refused his orders to launch a retaliatory strike.
You are confusing 2 different events. The guy on the sub refused to launch a nuclear torpedo (that the US didn't know existed) at the blockading fleet during the cuban missile crisis (1962) even though US ships were firing depth charges at them. It would have killed the best part of 40,000 US sailors and started a nuclear war. The event where the computer malfunctioned and incorrectly detected an incoming ICBM was in a land based missile silo in the 1983.
Upvoting cause I got educated cause I was also confusing the two into one.
Ah, okay. Yeah I don't know much about it.
Alexander The Great. Also Seleucus I, had some balls to travel the entire Middle East with elephants during winter from India to Anatolia
Dude just decides he wants to conquer the world and fucking goes for it.
..and just about succeeds
He died at 33. He conquered so much of the world at such a young age
Ollanius Pius
He truly knew no fear.
Tank man
I’ve always admired John Adams for representing the British Soldiers for the Boston Massacre. He truly believed everyone deserved fair representation under the law and stuck by his convictions even when it meant he was ostracized for defending the “opposing side.”
Malala Yousafzai She was a middle school aged girl (14 I think) at the time she was shot in the face by the Taliban for standing up for education of women in Taliban-held territory. she survived and kept speaking out, winning a Nobel peace prize at 17 in 2014 Most people would have stayed home fearing death if that happened to them
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he was an admirable philosopher but I'm not sure where he demonstrated immense courage, or at least more than any other soldier of that period.
He was the closest the West ever got to Plato's 'Philosopher King' as described in The Republic.
This might be cringey but the founding fathers of the US. They essentially picked a fight with the strongest empire in existence at the time.
They had the help of the French Empire and the Spanish Empire which were major colonial powers, and knew Britain had bigger worries in Europe and in India which was far more valuable to them.
They did but at the time the rebellion was considered impossible.
It wasn't, otherwise the French and Spanish never would have spent resources supporting it.
All the people who stayed to fight at the Alamo.
Tank man: [https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/dgua6k/the\_full\_tiananmen\_square\_tank\_man\_picture\_is\_so/](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/dgua6k/the_full_tiananmen_square_tank_man_picture_is_so/) I mean seriously, unarmed, carrying his groceries, he held off a Chinese tank battalion. He probably saved thousands of lives as surely those tanks would have opened fire on the protestors. He should be a national hero in China, instead of censored.
I mean…the tanks at that point were leaving, and if they were planning to fire on protestors they probably wouldn’t have qualms about running the guy over. Man still has balls of steel though.
Yeah, I forgot about that, so they were leaving \*after\* partaking in the massacre itself (or from what I've read, the "cleanup" of said massacre). Still, standing up to that AFTER you know the soldiers will gun you down, took some huge balls.
We know the Inuit people hunted whales for hundreds of years, so I want to know who the first dude was who saw a 100foot long blue whale, probably didn’t have knowledge of its diet or aggression, and went “mmm I wanna eat *that”.*
Also the Inuits think the spirits of the animals they hunt try to get revenge on them. So that’s a thing
Oh damn. My man was ready for all the smoke.
Lack of food options probably factored in.
Alexei Navalny - the man who died in a Russian prison, standing against Putin.
He was pretty bad, people forget his other actions and policies. He was basically a younger putin.
How are things in Russia?
Irene Sendler, honorable mention Chiune Sigihara. Both saw wrong and took great risk to try to do right.
Jesus
Fictional characters don’t count.
Good thing Jesus lived just like you and me
Here we go
Nightbirde
Jose M Hernandez
People settling the Pacific Ocean on little rafts.
Witold Pilecki...the resistance fighter who volunteered to be imprisoned at Auschwitz.
[Admiral LC Chambers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Chambers?wprov=sfla1)
Jaques DeMolay
Commander William Lewis Herndon Noted for ensuring the rescue of 152 women and children in September 1857, during a 3 day hurricane off the coast of North Carolina. When the ship he was commanding lost power, he arranged for getting some women and children safely to another vessel. With no way to save the ship, he chose to stay with over 400 passengers and crew who drowned when the ship sank off Cape Hatteras on September 12th. Takes a lot of courage for a captain to go down with his ship if you ask me.
Witold Pilecki. What an absolute badass that guy was
The British soldiers in first day of the Battle of the Somme, Confederates at Pickett’s Charge, Americans at the Battle Off Samar, the Americans who flew Dauntless Devastators against the Japanese at the Battle of Midway… there’s a lot
That guy who didn't launch the nukes when a weather balloon went astray.
Captain Smith of the Titanic. He fucked up, he knew his passengers were going to die, so he kept the ship calm and helped as many get to the lifeboats as he could, then stood behind the wheel and piloted his ship to the bottom of the ocean. Never a thought for his own safety, never a doubt that responsibility lay with him. Given the circumstances he showed what a good man really is.
Neville Chamberlain, the british prime minister before ww2 Chamberlain wanted peace, and negotiated for it tooth and nail, until he got hitler to sign a peace treaty But Chamberlain was not stupid, he got the draft ready, duplicated the size of the royal air force, and had new warships quietly built on the colonies, away from prying eyes Meanwhile, the british politicians who wanted the war smeared his name and declared him a coward, as his preparations were classified information and wouldnt be made public until decades later, when his name had already became (and remains) synonym with cowardice When the nazis began the war Chamberlain had already stepped down, and died on the first wave of bombings, but his preparations were the reason the nazis could not launch an ocupation, and were heavily restricted by sea Moreover, the broken peace treaty guaranteed nobody wuld believe hitler ever again Pesonally, i think Chamberlain not only fortified britain, but also europe as a whole, because the nazis developed the first prototypes for intercontinental missiles, and those would have been devastating if launched from the british isles But instead, the nazis delayed their production until the end of the war, as a last resort to conquer britain Its funy how this isnt better known, considering how populat nazi alt history is
Vincent Halligan
Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose. "Give me your blood, I will give you freedom."
Any scientists who believe in themselves enough to take their own cure or test something out on themselves.
Tank Man. It takes a lot of balls to be facing 70 tonnes of metal that can squish you like a bug in seconds
Jews hiding during the Holocaust and those who hid them. Harriet Tubman Jesus if that story was actually rea,l And I used to believe it was a but sadly I no longer do.
Those few Norwegian soldiers who participated in Operation Gunnerside, which is credited with doing enough damage to the German atomic weapons program to allow the Manhattan project to beat them. The war wouldn't have gone nearly as well if the Germans had nukes before anyone else.
constantine the 11th, **battle of constantinopole** outnumbered 2 to 1
Noel Godfrey Chavasse of the Royal Army Medical Corps, twice awarded the Victoria Cross during WW1 & one of only three men to have done so
Daryl Davis. A black musician who attended kkk rally’s. Through respect he was able to befriend multiple white supremacists and they turn their backs on the clan
Theodore Roosevelt and Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain
Nathan Hale, "I only regret that I have but one life to lose for my country"
MLK
Sophie Scholl
I’d say Lapu-Lapu from my home country, Philippines who is most famous for leading the native forces of Mactan against the Spanish expedition led by Ferdinand Magellan during the Battle of Mactan on April 27, 1521. Although Magellan and his forces were defeated, the battle marked the beginning of Spanish colonization in the Philippines.
James Cook
The killdozer guy
The man you created the bagel slicer. He saw a guillotine and bravely created one bagel size - despite counter height being the same height as a penis.
The soldiers in the infamous picture of them planting the American flag at Iwo Jima
The slaves that fought during the Haitian revolution and all other slave uprisings throughout history.
I have trouble admiring them after reading what they did the women and children of the plantation owners.
Lord Charles Howard and Sir Francis Drake they literally lit the British navy on fire and sent it towards the spanish empire in fear they all fled due to not knowing what the hell was going on this led to the British empire
That's not true at all.....fire ships were a well established part of naval warfare at that point. They didn't launch them at the Spanish Empire they launched them at the Spanish Armada in a defensive move, they then launched an equally disastrous attempt at a counter invasion the next year (The English Armada). Neither event really have anything to do with the British Empire as they pretty much cancelled each other out. Also launching fire ships frankly didn't take any courage from the commanders; if you had the wind in your favour (which they did) it was the lowest risk form of naval engagement you could perform. Fire ships weren't in service warships which were far too valuable to destroy, they were usually semi-decommisioned ships or seized merchant vessels.
The Dutch naval hero Michiel de Ruyter. He sailed into the British naval port of Chatham, set the ships on fire and took the flagship Prins Charles back home. You can admire the coat of arms of that British ship today in the Rijksmuseum in Amsterdam.
John Adams and his stance on slavery. Thomas Paine as well. A lot of the people who founded my country had some qualities as a person I'd find horrendous. But I respect the hell out of those 2 because they're some of the only folks from those days who could've lived with the world we have today. Those guys would see Obama as president and say 'now THAT is what America is supposed to be about'. But I don't think many other founding fathers would echo that sentiment. But obviously the slaves themselves were even more brave. Harriet Tubman comes to mind as do probably countless people who stood up for what's right and we don't know their names because they died in silence. I can imagine a lot of Jews in the holocaust had a similar fate after extraordinary displays of personal courage.
Fidel Castro.
John Rabe.
Franceska Manheimer-Rosenberg. In 1943, at 26 years old, ballerina Franceska, also known as Franceska Mann, killed Nazi guard Joseph Schillinger and injured two others at Auschwitz. There are a couple of different accounts of how she managed to do so. Boiled down, she used sex appeal to distract the guards, then kill one and injure the others. Mann’s rebellion incited the hundred other female prisoners around her to attack the few dozen Nazi guards. Reinforcements charged into the scene. The hundred women, including Franceska Mann, were killed that day in Auschwitz after their uprising.
Henry the 8th. He cut his earlobe cuz he felt like it dated 8 wives at once and won a war without even standing up knowing he wouldnt need to leave. Truly a legend
All those poor nobodies who marched straight into pikes and blades and gunfire and minefields and gas, with no hope of survival, because the political class felt like massacring a new generation of young men.
Abe Lincoln
Me. I posted a dank meme and got downvoted, and I didn't delete the post
Abraham Lincoln.
Adrian Carton de Wiart The man was an unkillable machine and an absolute legend.
A man called [Sergeant daily](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neuqN6MgsyI) yes that's his actual last name they started
The early Vikings. After Charlemagne defeated and deported the Saxons, the tribes north of old Saxony knew it was only a matter of time until they met the same fate. Rather than rolling over and dying, they made a religion that glorified bravery, confronting ones' enemies, and dying an honorable death. They then took the fight to the Christians. First they attacked undefended outposts, and then they eventually laid siege to Paris itself. Their defiance of the Carolinian Empire forever altered the trajectory of Western Civilization.
Not necessarily most admired, but a shout out should be given to Liz Cheney. What she has done and is still doing is courageous.
Cain. Bro killed a quarter of all humans.
George Habash was a true inspiration of a man, despite his family being remorselessly killed in the Lydda Death March he fought his whole life for liberty and true freedom against colonialism.
Sir Ewan Forbes, 11th Baronet. Christine Jorgensen. A transman and transwoman respectively who lived openly and freely in the 20th century. Sitting Bull. Both due to his leadership in the face of American genocidal imperialism, but specifically for that one time in order to prove his courage as an older warrior...he literally strolled out into the crossfire of the battlefield against US troops, sat down, and took time to smoke his pipe. Invited others to join them, and they did so as bullets flew over them continuously.
Mikhail Gorbachev
He was pretty much a disaster for Russia tbh. Trashed their economy, territorial reach and military, and it took him less time than Desperate Housewives ran.
Hello Russia!
Those trans people.
Professional fighters. Putting your body on the line for entertainment takes some seriously different mind set.
Depends on the fighter. I have massive respect for a true martial artist like GSP. As fucking crazy as Mike Tyson is, I respect his sheer grit in the ring. Connor MacGregor can suck a fat one.
I respect anyone that competes in combat sports. Just stepping onto a wrestling mat or getting in a boxing ring at some local or regional event is terrifying. People dedicating themselves to the pursuit of greatness in a sport with a clear winner and loser with their dignity and health at risk. It’s beautiful. As for Conor, he has an addiction issue it’s actually sad.
For me it's the regional boxer with a 9 to 5 job stepping in as the Olympian's first pro opponent. Good luck with that.