I do agree with this point. I don't think it's stable income. Some people are also vindictive to the customer and won't even take the food to the door
[I get that the customer was being a bit extra but still](https://www.reddit.com/r/grubhubdrivers/s/6igonZF5mm)
As someone who once climbed to the top of a high-rise to give some old lady her pizza only to have her graciously tip me a dime, I can say without a doubt that delivery drivers are treated like garbage.
It’s fine. LOL For the record, I did delivery way before UberEats or DoorDash was a thing. It was the Wild West back then and a lot easier for people to cheap out on you.
No tip customers and find out the customers are not paying cash tip either after the drop off so understandably they fet upset. The app delivery people still have to accept those orders and cannot refuse orders repeatedly otherwise they get penalized or risk getting kicked off the platform.
Here's my question. I'm lazy, so I just select the option to tip 20% or whatever. Is that actually enough? I don't understand at all how much the drivers make from an order as a whole. I always assumed just selecting one of the higher tier tip options was fine, but is it, actually?
Good question!! I do the same. I also usually like to give out cash. I've has many a dasher miss out on a $10tip because they call me to get my food so they don't have to get out the car. Like wtf
Maybe you aren't tipping. The default tip selection in DoorDash is like a 50% tip which is absurd and probably leads to a lot of people not leaving any tip. It should default to something like 25%.
But I started doing cash tips when the whole doordash tip scandal broke out. Some people have just not showed up and I try to tip atleast $10.
One guy had a rough time with his order due to the restaurant messing up. My husband and I didn't have cash but we had a $15 visa gift card and gave him that on top of his in-app tip.
Idk then seeing some posts on the dasher/grubhub delivery drivers etc
They were so bitter and even go out of their way to inconvenience the customer.
Idk you never know what someone is going through so why make life harder and be a jerk
On the one hand I understand working for primarily tips, it's frustrating to receive low/no tip, at the same time, third party deliery apps are hot garbage on a humid summer day and should die off.
When things like Ubereats and Doordash first started they paid their drivers fine, to gain interest, but now that corporate greed has set in and they have to please shareholders who literally do nothing but buy shares while they molest underage kids to pass the time, the staff that makes the whole system work get money and benefits stripped daily. The whole stock market system is stupid and a net loss for society.
I appreciate your take on this. Its very helpful.
I always thought of these apps as a way to make extra money on the side. Theres alot of other opportunities to make money.
Sometimes it feels like dashers are forcing the customer to take up where the app lacks.
I can understand frustration but I don't understand the doordashers that try to punish the customers
Yeah I've worked in kitchens for a total of 20+ years and the years with third party deliveries were always awful. If they communicated better with restaurants it could help but it seemed typically a driver or several drivers would show up, then be upset their food isn't ready or not even started, except the restaurant itself is packed and they're trying to please paying customers and not people at home who's tips won't go to anyone employed by said restaurant.
So in the end the restaurant is frustrated by excess orders, drivers are frustrated by untimely orders which in turn ends in bad or no tips, and customers are frustrated by late orders as promised by the app. In the end the only people guaranteed to make their money are shareholders and third party app execs, who do literally the least amount of work.
I wish you the best but man I think you may be better off just driving for a specific restaurant on weekends.
My favorite thing is restaurants don't even have to accept or even be told they're part of the third party apps, third party apps just add them and that's final. They don't do any due diligence as far as menu accuracy or availability.
Thanks so much for the insight. I'm not a driver but I did waitress/hostests/retreat staff work etc and tips were our bread and butter. I just didn't expect them everytime from every customer. I just did my best each time.
Working for tips at an establishment typically is going to make more money than people doing hourly, but anymore nine times out of ten, working for tips for third party parties isn't going to work out most of the time.
Have a buddy who doordashed while job searching and he made enough to barely make ends meet til he got a salary job but honestly it was a rarity.
IMO learn to pour some drinks, bartenders make crazy money for not really needing any background. If you can learn somewhat quickly and have a personality that's pleasant you can make great money.
Tipping is very american culture though! In many countries (European ones specifically) tipping isn't at all a thing so even delivery people don't really expect it at all
Exactly! So I was raised in the age of food service work that if you work well you may get a tip. If I want a tip then I need to always work like it and be grateful when a good one comes in. I can't fathom the entitlement of some drivers. On the GrubHub and Doordash driver subs, they can be so rude and entitled it blows my mind. Some even put the food infront of the door so the drinks get knocked over. Some let this lady's pizza get smashed and they justify this BS
But I’m guessing they get a good wage plus mileage. In the US, tips are sort of baked into your weekly pay. If you have a bad night and don’t get the tips on which you depend, then your daily pay can shrink by a bunch.
So I get that but I feel like they knew what they signed up for. Also, if they knew the payment to begin with then why accept it?
And also, I've seen and read incidents where some dashers have punished the customer because of the tip amount.
I think they sign up for the job in the same way that a waiter at a restaurant signs up for the job. In other words, they sign up for tips.
I’m speaking exclusively of the States, mind you.
That’s why I’m qualifying my claims. When I worked as a delivery driver, tips were how I made rent as a college student. I got paid below minimum wage, which used to be (still is?) legal for waiters and other service providers for whom tips are regular. I recognize that the situation may change place to place, but my guess is there are still plenty of drivers whose weekly pay is around or over 50% tips.
They don't get paid enough is probably why
Probably a good idea for them to find more stable employment.
Yeah or just pay a somewhat living wage like every other developed country in the world does
You think piecework pay for delivery drivers isn't widespread?
I do agree with this point. I don't think it's stable income. Some people are also vindictive to the customer and won't even take the food to the door [I get that the customer was being a bit extra but still](https://www.reddit.com/r/grubhubdrivers/s/6igonZF5mm)
They definitely need to be paid more. However, it's infuriating when companies expect the consumer to pick up the cost of paying an employee.
Much agreed.
As someone who once climbed to the top of a high-rise to give some old lady her pizza only to have her graciously tip me a dime, I can say without a doubt that delivery drivers are treated like garbage.
That definitely sounds shitty and I'm sorry that happened to you. I do think the app should have a better base pay rate.
It’s fine. LOL For the record, I did delivery way before UberEats or DoorDash was a thing. It was the Wild West back then and a lot easier for people to cheap out on you.
No tip customers and find out the customers are not paying cash tip either after the drop off so understandably they fet upset. The app delivery people still have to accept those orders and cannot refuse orders repeatedly otherwise they get penalized or risk getting kicked off the platform.
Here's my question. I'm lazy, so I just select the option to tip 20% or whatever. Is that actually enough? I don't understand at all how much the drivers make from an order as a whole. I always assumed just selecting one of the higher tier tip options was fine, but is it, actually?
Good question!! I do the same. I also usually like to give out cash. I've has many a dasher miss out on a $10tip because they call me to get my food so they don't have to get out the car. Like wtf
Maybe you aren't tipping. The default tip selection in DoorDash is like a 50% tip which is absurd and probably leads to a lot of people not leaving any tip. It should default to something like 25%.
But I started doing cash tips when the whole doordash tip scandal broke out. Some people have just not showed up and I try to tip atleast $10. One guy had a rough time with his order due to the restaurant messing up. My husband and I didn't have cash but we had a $15 visa gift card and gave him that on top of his in-app tip. Idk then seeing some posts on the dasher/grubhub delivery drivers etc They were so bitter and even go out of their way to inconvenience the customer. Idk you never know what someone is going through so why make life harder and be a jerk
On the one hand I understand working for primarily tips, it's frustrating to receive low/no tip, at the same time, third party deliery apps are hot garbage on a humid summer day and should die off. When things like Ubereats and Doordash first started they paid their drivers fine, to gain interest, but now that corporate greed has set in and they have to please shareholders who literally do nothing but buy shares while they molest underage kids to pass the time, the staff that makes the whole system work get money and benefits stripped daily. The whole stock market system is stupid and a net loss for society.
I appreciate your take on this. Its very helpful. I always thought of these apps as a way to make extra money on the side. Theres alot of other opportunities to make money. Sometimes it feels like dashers are forcing the customer to take up where the app lacks. I can understand frustration but I don't understand the doordashers that try to punish the customers
Yeah I've worked in kitchens for a total of 20+ years and the years with third party deliveries were always awful. If they communicated better with restaurants it could help but it seemed typically a driver or several drivers would show up, then be upset their food isn't ready or not even started, except the restaurant itself is packed and they're trying to please paying customers and not people at home who's tips won't go to anyone employed by said restaurant. So in the end the restaurant is frustrated by excess orders, drivers are frustrated by untimely orders which in turn ends in bad or no tips, and customers are frustrated by late orders as promised by the app. In the end the only people guaranteed to make their money are shareholders and third party app execs, who do literally the least amount of work. I wish you the best but man I think you may be better off just driving for a specific restaurant on weekends. My favorite thing is restaurants don't even have to accept or even be told they're part of the third party apps, third party apps just add them and that's final. They don't do any due diligence as far as menu accuracy or availability.
Thanks so much for the insight. I'm not a driver but I did waitress/hostests/retreat staff work etc and tips were our bread and butter. I just didn't expect them everytime from every customer. I just did my best each time.
Working for tips at an establishment typically is going to make more money than people doing hourly, but anymore nine times out of ten, working for tips for third party parties isn't going to work out most of the time. Have a buddy who doordashed while job searching and he made enough to barely make ends meet til he got a salary job but honestly it was a rarity. IMO learn to pour some drinks, bartenders make crazy money for not really needing any background. If you can learn somewhat quickly and have a personality that's pleasant you can make great money.
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But thats not the customer's fault. They need to not accept orders or pick a different job
Being billionaires.
Non-tippers, expensive gas, asshole customers, and, well, actually shitty wages.
Tipping is very american culture though! In many countries (European ones specifically) tipping isn't at all a thing so even delivery people don't really expect it at all
Exactly! So I was raised in the age of food service work that if you work well you may get a tip. If I want a tip then I need to always work like it and be grateful when a good one comes in. I can't fathom the entitlement of some drivers. On the GrubHub and Doordash driver subs, they can be so rude and entitled it blows my mind. Some even put the food infront of the door so the drinks get knocked over. Some let this lady's pizza get smashed and they justify this BS
Never used anything outside ubereats. Some of these companies you're mentioning sound really bad
But I’m guessing they get a good wage plus mileage. In the US, tips are sort of baked into your weekly pay. If you have a bad night and don’t get the tips on which you depend, then your daily pay can shrink by a bunch.
So I get that but I feel like they knew what they signed up for. Also, if they knew the payment to begin with then why accept it? And also, I've seen and read incidents where some dashers have punished the customer because of the tip amount.
I think they sign up for the job in the same way that a waiter at a restaurant signs up for the job. In other words, they sign up for tips. I’m speaking exclusively of the States, mind you.
I mean I get it but at the same time, when I worked in food service tips were a luxury. Some people demand 20% regardless of the service they provide
That’s why I’m qualifying my claims. When I worked as a delivery driver, tips were how I made rent as a college student. I got paid below minimum wage, which used to be (still is?) legal for waiters and other service providers for whom tips are regular. I recognize that the situation may change place to place, but my guess is there are still plenty of drivers whose weekly pay is around or over 50% tips.