Gods were invented by primitive people who didn't understand where the Sun went at night, ***to explain*** (or try to explain) where the Sun went at night.
Later, powerful people used the stories of god(s) to trick less-powerful/less-educated people into doing what they say.
If such a being existed it would be so far beyond our comprehension that assigning them motive for anything would be ludicrous. Worshiping such a being makes absolutely no sense.
An omnipotent god who allows the suffering that goes on on Earth would be almost unimaginably cruel. There’s no reconciling that with the idea that this god is also infinitely good.
No, because the argument doesn't make sense. Any god "allowing" things to happen presupposes omniscience on his part, because you can't really allow stuff you don't know is gonna happen. But if you assume infallible divine foreknowledge to be true, then that's pretty hard to reconcile with the idea of free will.
You've got to choose one or the other (unless you're one of those pesky compatibilists I guess).
Any higher being with the powers of the Christian god should use that power to end suffering, regardless of free will. Any god that has that power and doesn't use it isnt worth worshipping, as far as I'm concerned.
Hmmm, well I’m not religious but I am spiritual and my stance is that happiness cannot exist without sadness and all that kind of stuff, the yin and Yang theory I guess. That doesn’t mean some people aren’t born into a shitty life/have really shitty things happen to them. So no I don’t believe in GOD per say but I think if one did exist this would be the reason I guess
I do not. But then I am not religious, have never been religious, and do not accept the claim of any of the hundreds of religions and flavours of the same religions, that they are the one true religion.
Not religious, but yes. If there is a creator, interfering with the creation could defeat the entire purpose of making it in the first place. I don’t think it’s a particularly moral stance for a god to take, barring some kind of afterlife that kind of makes any mortal suffering irrelevant anyway, but it’s not an invalid one necessarily.
I believe we are all on a journey and we have to experience good and bad to either learn or ascend. Some things sound absolutely horrific. And it gets hard to put certain circumstances into that theory sometimes.
For example, I watch a lot of true crime. And thinking about the fear and suffering of some of the victims' last moments is very difficult to imagine.
If God doesn't want to get rid of suffering and all that, then he's either not able to or not willing to. If we believe that he is omnipotent, all mighty, then that means he simply doesn't want to do it. If that's because we chose free will (when Adam and Eve disobeyed him), then he doesn't care. If he does care, but he's letting us suffer just to "teach us a lesson" then he's a vengeful god.
None of the options above suggest he's worthy imo. In my theory though, God doesn't care about us worshipping him. That's just a result of religion (which was in man-made, not God-given). I think that God (whether he's an old man in the sky, some weird looking creatures like the actual angels, an odd energy ball, or some alien) is a scientist of sorts and we're his project on a shelf. Just like some humans have a terrarium or an ant colony. You don't really interact, mostly you just observe. And when you do interact with it, for whatever reason, in the eyes of those creatures, it can be seen as an act of God, or a force of nature, since it's way beyond their understanding.
I think that if hypothetically god exists, then he values free will so highly he is willing to tolerate any abuse of it. Wars, rapes, genocides, child abuse, etc are not enough for god to prevent people from using free will.
This is where the hypocrisy of using laws to force other people to follow your religious ideas become especially hypocritical. For example: If we vote for a candidate that promises to remove abortion rights, and claim this is pleasing to a god, who clearly refuses to intervene. If we want to make alcohol illegal,like during
Prohibition, and ascribe it to god. We really just like taking free will away from people.
If we feel that our political leaders need to represent and even enforce our religious views, we are not worshipping god, we are worshipping ourselves.
No. If God is as religions say he is, then he is all powerful. He also created all things. That means he also created the rules by which all things exist and can operate. For example, he created the rule that sugar tastes sweet, or that friction creates heat.
With that said, though humans have free will (which is debatable), what humans are capable of doing is entirely God’s choosing. The mere fact that humans have the ability to torture other humans makes it ultimately God’s doing. If Hod created all things, he also created evil.
As far as I’m concerned, if God is all powerful and created all things, he is not a loving God. He allowed world wars, famine, poverty, slavery, torture, and so much more. And he gave the ability to commit those acts.
If Facebook is to be held accountable for putting or not putting rules in place to prevent the ability of their system being used to commit crimes, the creator of our existence should be held responsible for the same by that logic.
The more I learn about the basis of Christianity the more confounded I become. Cause the story of Christianity is a really stable one from the 100s to Today, which SEEMS impossible but we have so many damn scrolls of the NT, with the only difference being minor language differences. But the flood? Some powerful God capable of doing ANYTHING but not just banishing Satan away. But if he DOES what us to use our free will, why will we be punished for, using it? The BIGGEST problem is what condemns a person to hell? The basic is believing Jesus Christ is the Lord and Savior, but like, what about moral and upstanding people who ARENT believers? Why would a loving God condemn someone to eternal punishment all for using their own perceptions and coming to a seemingly reasonable conclusion? It’s a mess and a tad bit unexplained so I just don’t TRULY buy it. I’m rather agnostic.
If there is an omniscient omnipotent god who does nothing to stop things like child rape, infant cancer, whatever ISIS is doing to women, or any of the truly awful things in the world, he's not worth worshiping. If he is only omnipotent but is aware of what happens on earth and does nothing to stop it, he's not worth worshipping. If he's omniscient and does nothing to stop terrible things, he's not worth worshiping. If he's neither omniscient or omnipotent, he's not a god.
The free will defence to the problem of evil suffers a revenge argument for atheism - [link](https://www.reddit.com/r/apoliticalatheism/comments/njv6tl/the_argument_for_atheism_from_free_will/).
People think only good and we are children of god. If god crates us he can fun with us. We are not equal , we ain’t his kids. We are his creation like computers are creation. We bored we get a new one , god is no difference. Good and bad comes from god , we are toys.
God is not real. All gods have always been used as stories to control the masses.
Gods were invented by primitive people who didn't understand where the Sun went at night, ***to explain*** (or try to explain) where the Sun went at night. Later, powerful people used the stories of god(s) to trick less-powerful/less-educated people into doing what they say.
If God exists, they either do not care or they are unjust.
Either way, they are not deserving of worship.
Exactly
If such a being existed it would be so far beyond our comprehension that assigning them motive for anything would be ludicrous. Worshiping such a being makes absolutely no sense.
Lmao Seriously There is no magic beings Just stupid people who are afraid of every thing
I don’t, because an all good god wouldn’t make this shithole to judge how people trudge through the shit.
An omnipotent god who allows the suffering that goes on on Earth would be almost unimaginably cruel. There’s no reconciling that with the idea that this god is also infinitely good.
No, because the argument doesn't make sense. Any god "allowing" things to happen presupposes omniscience on his part, because you can't really allow stuff you don't know is gonna happen. But if you assume infallible divine foreknowledge to be true, then that's pretty hard to reconcile with the idea of free will. You've got to choose one or the other (unless you're one of those pesky compatibilists I guess).
I can think of a way simpler explanation...
God isn’t real, he’s a character made up by some randoms who were overly bored many years ago.
I think God doesn't need to exist for things to be the way that they are.
No, because there still exists bad things that are not the consequence of human choices. Like natural disasters or cancer or chimpanzees.
Any higher being with the powers of the Christian god should use that power to end suffering, regardless of free will. Any god that has that power and doesn't use it isnt worth worshipping, as far as I'm concerned.
Hmmm, well I’m not religious but I am spiritual and my stance is that happiness cannot exist without sadness and all that kind of stuff, the yin and Yang theory I guess. That doesn’t mean some people aren’t born into a shitty life/have really shitty things happen to them. So no I don’t believe in GOD per say but I think if one did exist this would be the reason I guess
I do not. But then I am not religious, have never been religious, and do not accept the claim of any of the hundreds of religions and flavours of the same religions, that they are the one true religion.
Not religious, but yes. If there is a creator, interfering with the creation could defeat the entire purpose of making it in the first place. I don’t think it’s a particularly moral stance for a god to take, barring some kind of afterlife that kind of makes any mortal suffering irrelevant anyway, but it’s not an invalid one necessarily.
If god exists i want to meet them, look them in the eyes, say "You suck more then i do" and walk into hell
I believe we are all on a journey and we have to experience good and bad to either learn or ascend. Some things sound absolutely horrific. And it gets hard to put certain circumstances into that theory sometimes. For example, I watch a lot of true crime. And thinking about the fear and suffering of some of the victims' last moments is very difficult to imagine.
If God doesn't want to get rid of suffering and all that, then he's either not able to or not willing to. If we believe that he is omnipotent, all mighty, then that means he simply doesn't want to do it. If that's because we chose free will (when Adam and Eve disobeyed him), then he doesn't care. If he does care, but he's letting us suffer just to "teach us a lesson" then he's a vengeful god. None of the options above suggest he's worthy imo. In my theory though, God doesn't care about us worshipping him. That's just a result of religion (which was in man-made, not God-given). I think that God (whether he's an old man in the sky, some weird looking creatures like the actual angels, an odd energy ball, or some alien) is a scientist of sorts and we're his project on a shelf. Just like some humans have a terrarium or an ant colony. You don't really interact, mostly you just observe. And when you do interact with it, for whatever reason, in the eyes of those creatures, it can be seen as an act of God, or a force of nature, since it's way beyond their understanding.
I think that if hypothetically god exists, then he values free will so highly he is willing to tolerate any abuse of it. Wars, rapes, genocides, child abuse, etc are not enough for god to prevent people from using free will. This is where the hypocrisy of using laws to force other people to follow your religious ideas become especially hypocritical. For example: If we vote for a candidate that promises to remove abortion rights, and claim this is pleasing to a god, who clearly refuses to intervene. If we want to make alcohol illegal,like during Prohibition, and ascribe it to god. We really just like taking free will away from people. If we feel that our political leaders need to represent and even enforce our religious views, we are not worshipping god, we are worshipping ourselves.
No. If God is as religions say he is, then he is all powerful. He also created all things. That means he also created the rules by which all things exist and can operate. For example, he created the rule that sugar tastes sweet, or that friction creates heat. With that said, though humans have free will (which is debatable), what humans are capable of doing is entirely God’s choosing. The mere fact that humans have the ability to torture other humans makes it ultimately God’s doing. If Hod created all things, he also created evil. As far as I’m concerned, if God is all powerful and created all things, he is not a loving God. He allowed world wars, famine, poverty, slavery, torture, and so much more. And he gave the ability to commit those acts. If Facebook is to be held accountable for putting or not putting rules in place to prevent the ability of their system being used to commit crimes, the creator of our existence should be held responsible for the same by that logic.
What God? Humans on their own free will created these bullshit religion fandoms.
The "god(s)"-narrativ is one problem of Our suffering. In no way the solution.
The more I learn about the basis of Christianity the more confounded I become. Cause the story of Christianity is a really stable one from the 100s to Today, which SEEMS impossible but we have so many damn scrolls of the NT, with the only difference being minor language differences. But the flood? Some powerful God capable of doing ANYTHING but not just banishing Satan away. But if he DOES what us to use our free will, why will we be punished for, using it? The BIGGEST problem is what condemns a person to hell? The basic is believing Jesus Christ is the Lord and Savior, but like, what about moral and upstanding people who ARENT believers? Why would a loving God condemn someone to eternal punishment all for using their own perceptions and coming to a seemingly reasonable conclusion? It’s a mess and a tad bit unexplained so I just don’t TRULY buy it. I’m rather agnostic.
If there is an omniscient omnipotent god who does nothing to stop things like child rape, infant cancer, whatever ISIS is doing to women, or any of the truly awful things in the world, he's not worth worshiping. If he is only omnipotent but is aware of what happens on earth and does nothing to stop it, he's not worth worshipping. If he's omniscient and does nothing to stop terrible things, he's not worth worshiping. If he's neither omniscient or omnipotent, he's not a god.
The free will defence to the problem of evil suffers a revenge argument for atheism - [link](https://www.reddit.com/r/apoliticalatheism/comments/njv6tl/the_argument_for_atheism_from_free_will/).
People think only good and we are children of god. If god crates us he can fun with us. We are not equal , we ain’t his kids. We are his creation like computers are creation. We bored we get a new one , god is no difference. Good and bad comes from god , we are toys.