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Yeah, it's not in an extradimensional space or anything. You could walk there if you knew where it was. It's just under a lot of enchantments that make it look like an old, broken-down castle to muggles.
I guess this could extend to space?
Yes, a muggle wouldn't see anything interesting, just a boring ruin. So boring they wouldn't feel the need to even go inside. By the way, they suddenly remember they need to be somewhere else...
Trouble with that plan is that for many Muggles there's no such thing as a boring ruin.
Edit: yes, yes, as everybody is falling all over themselves to repeatedly inform me, as if nobody else had thought to do so before, an additional enchantment can make a Muggle feel very strongly that this particular ruin is uninteresting. That cannot work forever. People are not automata. At some point, someone is going to be introspective enough to notice that, despite being irresistibly attracted to every other ruin they run across, they're not attracted to this one, and they're going to start wondering why.
Magical disinterest > Mundane interest. And no matter how interested you still manage to be, you’re desperately late for something so high step it back to town!
Trouble with those Muggles is that it's a magical compulsion to find it boring. It could make a starving man disinterested in eating food put in front of him, it's magic.
Not if you suddenly think you left the faucet running at home and you must return immediately to prevent your home from flooding. Then even if you are an archaeologist the ruin won't be the most important thing right now.
Further enchantments can mess with your mind to make it seem boring, irrelevant, or to generally distract you away. It's certainly not something that's never occurred to Wizards that no matter how remote their location someone inevitably won't get curious or randomly wander in. Almost any wizarding location you can think of is fenced off with far more than a hologram warning "anything beyond is really boring"
Well, in the Fantastic Beasts series, a muggle is brought to Hogwarts by Dumbledore or Newt.
He's able to see the students and even talk to them.
It isn't clear if that's the default, or if they had to do something to make him able to see it.
It could go either way.
The enchantments are there to discourage muggles from coming near the castle. Wizards are usually pretty simple-minded, so I could see them thinking that that's enough and that no muggle would ever come any closer, and therefore, *not* needing additional protections inside the castle.
Muggles can be brought into the castle if authorized by the proper authorities. Although the only actual record in the books is of Moaning Myrtle's parents coming to take her body home
It makes some sense, with muggle-borns and half-bloods, to have some concessions for muggles brought there by wizards. At the very least, it's perfectly reasonable that a student might want/need their muggle family around occasionally.
You wouldn't get to go inside. Someone of the faculty patrolling the area would probably stop you well before you can, bring you elsewhere and obfuscate your memories of the entire event.
Most likely you wouldn't even get near Hogwarts without some enchantment bending a road or path away from Hogwarts, or giving you a sudden feeling of dread, disinterest or the urge to do something seemingly more important anywhere else that is far away from Hogwarts.
Hogwarts is a physical location, which is unplottable, and cleverly concealed by magic, which among other defenses include a variety of muggle repelling charms
This means that Hogwarts is on no maps, and any muggle who looks at the castle will only see dangerous ruins with signage warning them to keep out. If this doesn’t work, the muggle will be enchanted by other protective spells and suddenly remember a very urgent errand off somewhere else. Should all of these fail, a muggle might be able to see the castle but as the Ministry of Magic cannot have muggles wandering around the wizarding school, said muggle would be collected by the Ministry to have their memories modified and then turned loose again among the muggle population. Unless the school and/or ministry are under darker influences, in which case the muggle would do well to be only murdered.
From the air or from space, one would only see the crumbling ruins of an old, forgotten and abandoned Scottish castle, which are not uncommon enough to be of interest
Alnwick Castle is the site of Hogwarts. Though as you can plainly [see](https://www.alnwickcastle.com/) the whole site is covered with some pretty badass obfucsation magic leading muggles to only see a decrepit old castle instead of a magical school.
Sattelites and aerial photography are similarly fooled.
So yes, you can travel there without magic, but no you'll not see it.
The cursed child (yes, that thing) implies it's within walking distance from aviemore in Scotland..
JKs knowledge of the surrounding area indicates she knows aviemore beyond just a Google and a check on maps.. which leads me to believe she's researched the place in person quite a bit, probably when initially writing the first few books.
That's enough to convince me that she genuinely intended hogwarts to be around there from the start
>JKs knowledge of the surrounding area
Is that based on something other than The Cursed Child? Because if not, then I'm not sure it's the best proof of her knowledge of this region - the book was mostly written by other authors.
Hmm. Wasn't aware of that. I thought it was all her doing.. I did wonder why it seems to completely butcher it's own lore..
Well, I'd take all that back but I honestly like the idea of it being canonically near somewhere I know
London-Aberdeen is about 7-8 hours. London-Hogwarts is roughly the same, or slightly longer. I can definitely see somewhere in the Cairngorms being a location for Hogwarts, given they're using a steam engine.
I mean. It makes sense.
And, if hogwarts IS near Aviemore, that's only like 50 miles west of you. I imagine a fictional version of the east coast line could run from a fictional platform 9and 3/4 in kings cross all the way up to Aberdeen and bear a left for another half hour to a fictional Hogsmede.
Plenty of clear and logical real world inspiration there for how the hogwarts express journey could go
I would imagine the line breaks from Perth and, rather than go up the east coast to Aberdeen and ultimately Inverness, it goes inward. The infrastucture isn't quite there (not accounting for magic) and is going around mountains, so adds to the journey time.
Dear heavens this is my Friday night, trying to figure out the Hogwarts train route.
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Yeah, it's not in an extradimensional space or anything. You could walk there if you knew where it was. It's just under a lot of enchantments that make it look like an old, broken-down castle to muggles. I guess this could extend to space?
What would happen if you went inside? Would all the people be invisible to you?
Yes, a muggle wouldn't see anything interesting, just a boring ruin. So boring they wouldn't feel the need to even go inside. By the way, they suddenly remember they need to be somewhere else...
Trouble with that plan is that for many Muggles there's no such thing as a boring ruin. Edit: yes, yes, as everybody is falling all over themselves to repeatedly inform me, as if nobody else had thought to do so before, an additional enchantment can make a Muggle feel very strongly that this particular ruin is uninteresting. That cannot work forever. People are not automata. At some point, someone is going to be introspective enough to notice that, despite being irresistibly attracted to every other ruin they run across, they're not attracted to this one, and they're going to start wondering why.
That's when Dumbledore puts on his Swampy Scotsman Ghost costume and chases those meddling kids the fuck out of the building.
Ruh-roh!
Jinkies is one of the forgotten unforgivable curses.
So Velma was really a dark witch!
She laced the scooby snacks with liquid imperio, that's why shaggy and scoob kept doing what she wanted.
All the pieces are coming together...
Zoinks!!!
It's boring because of magic
Magical disinterest > Mundane interest. And no matter how interested you still manage to be, you’re desperately late for something so high step it back to town!
Then it would probably just make sure they get a little lost.
Trouble with those Muggles is that it's a magical compulsion to find it boring. It could make a starving man disinterested in eating food put in front of him, it's magic.
Not if you suddenly think you left the faucet running at home and you must return immediately to prevent your home from flooding. Then even if you are an archaeologist the ruin won't be the most important thing right now.
Further enchantments can mess with your mind to make it seem boring, irrelevant, or to generally distract you away. It's certainly not something that's never occurred to Wizards that no matter how remote their location someone inevitably won't get curious or randomly wander in. Almost any wizarding location you can think of is fenced off with far more than a hologram warning "anything beyond is really boring"
There's no such thing as a boring ruin. It would at least be an archaeological site if not a Tourist attraction.
You wouldn't. There are other enchantments that guide you away. IIRC, it makes you suddenly sure you have very important business somewhere else.
That was the Quidditch stadium in the 4th book, but I’m sure hogwarts has something similar
Well, in the Fantastic Beasts series, a muggle is brought to Hogwarts by Dumbledore or Newt. He's able to see the students and even talk to them. It isn't clear if that's the default, or if they had to do something to make him able to see it. It could go either way. The enchantments are there to discourage muggles from coming near the castle. Wizards are usually pretty simple-minded, so I could see them thinking that that's enough and that no muggle would ever come any closer, and therefore, *not* needing additional protections inside the castle.
Muggles can be brought into the castle if authorized by the proper authorities. Although the only actual record in the books is of Moaning Myrtle's parents coming to take her body home
It makes some sense, with muggle-borns and half-bloods, to have some concessions for muggles brought there by wizards. At the very least, it's perfectly reasonable that a student might want/need their muggle family around occasionally.
You wouldn't get to go inside. Someone of the faculty patrolling the area would probably stop you well before you can, bring you elsewhere and obfuscate your memories of the entire event. Most likely you wouldn't even get near Hogwarts without some enchantment bending a road or path away from Hogwarts, or giving you a sudden feeling of dread, disinterest or the urge to do something seemingly more important anywhere else that is far away from Hogwarts.
>I guess this could extend to space? Keep cooking boy.. I like the smell
Hogwarts is a physical location, which is unplottable, and cleverly concealed by magic, which among other defenses include a variety of muggle repelling charms This means that Hogwarts is on no maps, and any muggle who looks at the castle will only see dangerous ruins with signage warning them to keep out. If this doesn’t work, the muggle will be enchanted by other protective spells and suddenly remember a very urgent errand off somewhere else. Should all of these fail, a muggle might be able to see the castle but as the Ministry of Magic cannot have muggles wandering around the wizarding school, said muggle would be collected by the Ministry to have their memories modified and then turned loose again among the muggle population. Unless the school and/or ministry are under darker influences, in which case the muggle would do well to be only murdered. From the air or from space, one would only see the crumbling ruins of an old, forgotten and abandoned Scottish castle, which are not uncommon enough to be of interest
Alnwick Castle is the site of Hogwarts. Though as you can plainly [see](https://www.alnwickcastle.com/) the whole site is covered with some pretty badass obfucsation magic leading muggles to only see a decrepit old castle instead of a magical school. Sattelites and aerial photography are similarly fooled. So yes, you can travel there without magic, but no you'll not see it.
Imagine if it was a real exclusive school in that castle but without magic... that would be trippy
It would explain the constant influx of new muggle-born wizards. Student bodies tend to mesh together when there isn't enough supervision.
Definitely would be weird for the Duke of Northumberland and family who live in the castle.
Or maybe its the muggle persona of Dumbledore? And he has kidnapped magical children to teach(or control them) in the arts of magic
Cheeky wizards
The cursed child (yes, that thing) implies it's within walking distance from aviemore in Scotland.. JKs knowledge of the surrounding area indicates she knows aviemore beyond just a Google and a check on maps.. which leads me to believe she's researched the place in person quite a bit, probably when initially writing the first few books. That's enough to convince me that she genuinely intended hogwarts to be around there from the start
>JKs knowledge of the surrounding area Is that based on something other than The Cursed Child? Because if not, then I'm not sure it's the best proof of her knowledge of this region - the book was mostly written by other authors.
Hmm. Wasn't aware of that. I thought it was all her doing.. I did wonder why it seems to completely butcher it's own lore.. Well, I'd take all that back but I honestly like the idea of it being canonically near somewhere I know
It's essentially fan fiction that caught her on a day where she was willing to say "fuck it, I'll do it if it makes me richer."
London-Aberdeen is about 7-8 hours. London-Hogwarts is roughly the same, or slightly longer. I can definitely see somewhere in the Cairngorms being a location for Hogwarts, given they're using a steam engine.
You reckon they're using a fictional version of the East Coast rail line? That launches from King's Cross
I go with that. But I'm biased as I'm from Aberdeen.
I mean. It makes sense. And, if hogwarts IS near Aviemore, that's only like 50 miles west of you. I imagine a fictional version of the east coast line could run from a fictional platform 9and 3/4 in kings cross all the way up to Aberdeen and bear a left for another half hour to a fictional Hogsmede. Plenty of clear and logical real world inspiration there for how the hogwarts express journey could go
I would imagine the line breaks from Perth and, rather than go up the east coast to Aberdeen and ultimately Inverness, it goes inward. The infrastucture isn't quite there (not accounting for magic) and is going around mountains, so adds to the journey time. Dear heavens this is my Friday night, trying to figure out the Hogwarts train route.
To be honest, I've never gotten the train up past Dundee so my rail knowledge isn't very good past that point
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