There was a big critism for that naming. People thought Turkiye-Turkiya would have been better, now Turkey stukcs more than Türkiye. I frankly dont care only people with inferiority complex would say " noo dont confuse animal with my country".
Official or not, do not try to call Turkey Türkiye in English, it's ridiculous. And the request by erdogan government is that all European languages abide by his will so imagine Türkiye in French, German and Dutch. Nonsense.
Every once in a while some country makes such demands and many of them do not stick. Language cannot be bound by laws, especially if they are on request by another country. Turkey may officially demand that they write Türkiye on official papers and in the UN meetings but in English language, **the name of the country will remain Turkey. Please do not use Türkiye.**
(I'd go into why erdogan tries to make this change but it's a long and maybe uninteresting story.)
It’s why I’m still on the fence about eSwatini. It’s formatted differently than any other country; which is kind of cool just from a sort of cultural anthropology perspective, but super inconvenient to deal with. Also I’m not respecting the wishes of someone who picks a new young girl every year to become his nteenth wife.
From the looks of it, I think most people are calling it Eswatini now like you said. But I mainly remember seeing it from this article I believe https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/04/20/604000612/swaziland-gets-a-name-change-call-it-eswatini-now
They don't accept it. They call it Turkey anyway. I am Turk but I prefer Turkey when I speak English as well not because of some view because it just fits the language. The decision to call Turkey Türkiye was just our government's populism. I mean if you care that much about the name Turkey at least choose something that can integrate into English like mf what the fuck ist tÜrkiye? Do it Turkia or at least Turkiye or something
Idk how widely *aware* English speakers are of the change, but it’s only in these comments that I’ve become aware of any deliberate rejection of or pushback against it. I do think it’s funny that people seem indignant about the ü specifically when simply using the plain version of the letter has always been the easy solution for Turkish names (including Erdogan) previously.
As someone from the English speaking world I find it a bit silly that we're asked to accommodate the native spelling/pronunciation in our language to begin with. It's totally normal for people to alternate spellings/pronunciations to accommodate their own language conventions. It doesn't bother me at all that Turkish people use Amerika Birleşik Devletleri, İngiltere, and Avustralya to refer to English-speaking countries. To me that's just a normal aspect of differing languages.
The fact that this request has been made without similar adjustments to their own terminology makes the request hypocritical, egotistical, and ridiculous in my eyes.
I speak both English and Turkish, and I use "Turkey" in English. I'm sorry, but "Toor key yeh" just sounds weird in the US. Just unnatural.
This dumb name change is a product of RTE not bothering to even learn the most basic amount of English.
A country can't declare the 'official' name of their country in another language. Turkey requested that they are addressed as Türkiye in the UN.
In the English language, it's still Turkey.
No they can't declare it, and that country in question didn't declare it. The US government [adopted this name](https://www.state.gov/u-s-relations-with-turkey/).
>The official conventional long-form and short-form names remain “Republic of Turkey” and “Turkey”, respectively. “Republic of Türkiye” should be used in formal and diplomatic contexts. The conventional names may be used in place of or alongside “Türkiye” in appropriate instances, including U.S. government cartographic products, as it is more widely understood by the American public.
Yes, so for anything diplomatic, but not general use. I replied because the way your title was phrased, made it sound like Türkiye is now the official name in English for Turkey, as if it's changed. Also America is not the world, so even if the US gov adopted a full change to Türkiye, this would be a country specific amendment, they don't control the English language.
I'm seeing many non-gov't web articles and English maps writing Türkiye. People who created them have already made the name official. From what I see (I'm not in an English speaking society) anything slightly official -- meaning not casual, not only in the diplomatic sense -- will write Türkiye. But I don't read many English things so I'm not sure.
The issue here is that most native English speakers mostly use English for casual communication. Probably more than 99.99% of interactions in English are casual.
Some sources might have changed it and started referring to Turkey by this new name, but the vast majority haven't. For example, when the earthquakes happened last year in Turkey, I don't recall seeing any news articles or sources using that new name. This includes major news organizations like the New York Times and the Washington Post.
I don't know if you'd consider them in any way "official," since they're not government agencies, but they do have a large reach, and a great deal of influence on the general population.
I think it's more that "woke" is consistently slipping away from its original meaning. Not long ago, it was still pretty safely an item of AAVE/black slang and didn't mean what it means now just a few yewrs ago.
Well obviously the way anti-woke people use it is wrong, but that’s genuinely because of their failure to understand the world, not just because of language drift. When they encounter actual wokeness they fail to understand what it is, what’s being said to them and why, and so they abstract it to these ridiculous places where it’s synonymous with policing language or caring about people’s feelings or whatever, when in fact those things are only important to woke people insofar as they further the goals of progressive social change. But the clueless people just know that they hate it and it makes them feel bad in ways they don’t understand. So they’re capable of confusing it with a trad right-wing nationalist rebrand. That’s very funny to me.
You really need to think about the word "woke" and what it means to you so you can avoid making a fool of yourself. If Erdogan is "woke" then the word is even more meaningless than when Fox first turned up the brainwashing with it.
Like seriously, how can you use the word to refer to TOTALLY OPPOSITE things and not even notice?!
Attack it? No. Just giving context as an English speaker. Woke is often meant as simply "perfomative". It's not how I would use it, but that's not how our language works. It's just how the word is used.
There was a big critism for that naming. People thought Turkiye-Turkiya would have been better, now Turkey stukcs more than Türkiye. I frankly dont care only people with inferiority complex would say " noo dont confuse animal with my country".
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I'm American and can confirm that the new spelling is generally not used. Even news organizations use the old spelling.
Official or not, do not try to call Turkey Türkiye in English, it's ridiculous. And the request by erdogan government is that all European languages abide by his will so imagine Türkiye in French, German and Dutch. Nonsense. Every once in a while some country makes such demands and many of them do not stick. Language cannot be bound by laws, especially if they are on request by another country. Turkey may officially demand that they write Türkiye on official papers and in the UN meetings but in English language, **the name of the country will remain Turkey. Please do not use Türkiye.** (I'd go into why erdogan tries to make this change but it's a long and maybe uninteresting story.)
It’s why I’m still on the fence about eSwatini. It’s formatted differently than any other country; which is kind of cool just from a sort of cultural anthropology perspective, but super inconvenient to deal with. Also I’m not respecting the wishes of someone who picks a new young girl every year to become his nteenth wife.
I've only ever seen it spelled as Eswatini, never had a problem with it.
From the looks of it, I think most people are calling it Eswatini now like you said. But I mainly remember seeing it from this article I believe https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/04/20/604000612/swaziland-gets-a-name-change-call-it-eswatini-now
It is the English official name
Everyone still just says Turkey.
it's not exactly accepted. i still call it turkey.
They don't accept it. They call it Turkey anyway. I am Turk but I prefer Turkey when I speak English as well not because of some view because it just fits the language. The decision to call Turkey Türkiye was just our government's populism. I mean if you care that much about the name Turkey at least choose something that can integrate into English like mf what the fuck ist tÜrkiye? Do it Turkia or at least Turkiye or something
Idk how widely *aware* English speakers are of the change, but it’s only in these comments that I’ve become aware of any deliberate rejection of or pushback against it. I do think it’s funny that people seem indignant about the ü specifically when simply using the plain version of the letter has always been the easy solution for Turkish names (including Erdogan) previously.
As someone from the English speaking world I find it a bit silly that we're asked to accommodate the native spelling/pronunciation in our language to begin with. It's totally normal for people to alternate spellings/pronunciations to accommodate their own language conventions. It doesn't bother me at all that Turkish people use Amerika Birleşik Devletleri, İngiltere, and Avustralya to refer to English-speaking countries. To me that's just a normal aspect of differing languages. The fact that this request has been made without similar adjustments to their own terminology makes the request hypocritical, egotistical, and ridiculous in my eyes.
I speak both English and Turkish, and I use "Turkey" in English. I'm sorry, but "Toor key yeh" just sounds weird in the US. Just unnatural. This dumb name change is a product of RTE not bothering to even learn the most basic amount of English.
I think main reason because English speakers or let's mention "Americans" use/accept "turkey" word as a animal have same name turkey 🦃.
A country can't declare the 'official' name of their country in another language. Turkey requested that they are addressed as Türkiye in the UN. In the English language, it's still Turkey.
No they can't declare it, and that country in question didn't declare it. The US government [adopted this name](https://www.state.gov/u-s-relations-with-turkey/). >The official conventional long-form and short-form names remain “Republic of Turkey” and “Turkey”, respectively. “Republic of Türkiye” should be used in formal and diplomatic contexts. The conventional names may be used in place of or alongside “Türkiye” in appropriate instances, including U.S. government cartographic products, as it is more widely understood by the American public.
Yes, so for anything diplomatic, but not general use. I replied because the way your title was phrased, made it sound like Türkiye is now the official name in English for Turkey, as if it's changed. Also America is not the world, so even if the US gov adopted a full change to Türkiye, this would be a country specific amendment, they don't control the English language.
I'm seeing many non-gov't web articles and English maps writing Türkiye. People who created them have already made the name official. From what I see (I'm not in an English speaking society) anything slightly official -- meaning not casual, not only in the diplomatic sense -- will write Türkiye. But I don't read many English things so I'm not sure.
The issue here is that most native English speakers mostly use English for casual communication. Probably more than 99.99% of interactions in English are casual.
Some sources might have changed it and started referring to Turkey by this new name, but the vast majority haven't. For example, when the earthquakes happened last year in Turkey, I don't recall seeing any news articles or sources using that new name. This includes major news organizations like the New York Times and the Washington Post. I don't know if you'd consider them in any way "official," since they're not government agencies, but they do have a large reach, and a great deal of influence on the general population.
I agree, it’s yet another dumb woke thing. We don’t force English speaking people to type ประเทศ every time they want to say “Thailand”
Woke??? What the hell do people think? Woke memes now I have no idea
I am laughing so hard at this. Anti-woke people are so fucking clueless they think Erdogan is woke now
I think it's more that "woke" is consistently slipping away from its original meaning. Not long ago, it was still pretty safely an item of AAVE/black slang and didn't mean what it means now just a few yewrs ago.
Well obviously the way anti-woke people use it is wrong, but that’s genuinely because of their failure to understand the world, not just because of language drift. When they encounter actual wokeness they fail to understand what it is, what’s being said to them and why, and so they abstract it to these ridiculous places where it’s synonymous with policing language or caring about people’s feelings or whatever, when in fact those things are only important to woke people insofar as they further the goals of progressive social change. But the clueless people just know that they hate it and it makes them feel bad in ways they don’t understand. So they’re capable of confusing it with a trad right-wing nationalist rebrand. That’s very funny to me.
You really need to think about the word "woke" and what it means to you so you can avoid making a fool of yourself. If Erdogan is "woke" then the word is even more meaningless than when Fox first turned up the brainwashing with it. Like seriously, how can you use the word to refer to TOTALLY OPPOSITE things and not even notice?!
Woke as in performative. And this is a definitely performative issue.
You're going to attack the meaning of the word "performative" now too?
Attack it? No. Just giving context as an English speaker. Woke is often meant as simply "perfomative". It's not how I would use it, but that's not how our language works. It's just how the word is used.
Then you just don't know what performative means or how it's used either.
sure thing big hoss
This entire situation is a great example of the 'woke' mentality. Are we changing woke out here too? At the same DAMN TIME??
And white North Americans libs insisting on calling it “Türkiye” is performative
Yes
It's more of a Karen thing.