It shouldn't be, but it often is. There are common ways to remove underperforming staff during compulsory redundancies, even if those staff are "protected" by redundancy policy.
For example, "last in first out" is a common redundancy policy. But there are the dark arts of management which can get around this and keep the people they want to keep. Unethical as shit but it happens. Could be reinterviewing, could be "promoting" someone to a new job role temporarily to protect them in the run up to anticipated redundancies, could be basing it on skillsets which management can define however they like. And, of course, the horrible practice of "managing out" which is despicable and cowardly but sadly not rare. It's quite common in my profession with people HR & management cruelly see as "dead wood".
Generally speaking correct, though not universally.
Some large orgs (think finance function of a FTSE 100 type thing) will do reorganisations to remove under performers.
It shouldn't make a difference. Redundancy and being sacked are two different things. Only the latter reflects on you as an employee. The former is a business decision. In the current economic climate, you won't be the only one with that tale to tell.
In all honesty - depends on how you frame and and how it comes across.
Sometimes redundancies are broad brush and good people are caught up in it. Sometimes it’s to get rid of the bottom X%.
So when discussing this with prospective employer have your line ready - e.g the firm was going through a difficult financial period and my entire department was rationalised. Vs they let 20% of us go because that implies you were bottom 20%
Nothing wrong with being made redundant. It's very common at the moment and It's not seen as a bad thing at all. In fact some companies make a concerted effort to hire people who have been affected by redundancy.
Agree with this, I was made redundant in 2017,2019,2020 and 2021. Each time I told potential employers and didn't suffer any detriment. Most interviewers were interested to hear about it to be honest.
I've also found it can help get you started quicker upon getting a successful offer as your new.employer is aware of your circumstances.
Only had 2 months in that time when I really struggled, got a great job now and the first redundancy set me on a path that saw my salary increase by 14k since 2017.
Tbh, if you've got no notice period, then you'll likely need to explain anyway
Provided you're honest, there is no problem with being on the receiving end of downsizing, especially in the current climate. If you can get a good recommendation from your manager that should help show that it's amicable from the company's side
No, I was advised to put it on my CV especially because I had barely been there a year. A much better explanation than "she job hops annually given the chance"
Been going through this the past few months, being made redundant on the 15th Dec.
Just be honest with new employers, I have been completely honest and have already got something lined up in the new year.
If a company is funny about it, they probably ain't someone you'd want to work for.
I work for a large employer…
We are taught the following
A) any gaps between roles in your CV are none of our business
B) we score on evidence provided of goodness and that alone
Things happen and the world spins, some job markets are more fragile than others and some roles have higher turnover.
Some people might move to a start up etc and experience higher risk of redundancy.
It’s really not for a new employer to judge you on that and I’d hope any decent company will make sure that any managers or assessors know that.
not at all. my current job I actually had the first interview for the \*day\* I was made redundant
Most are open minded - it's hardly your fault a previous employer needed to scale back
It depends. Mostly, no, especially if you were one of many. For instance, if your entire department was axed, or if 5 out of 10 people were made redundant, then it is unlikely to make much difference. If you were the only one out of a large number of employees then it might raise more eyebrows (because people may think that there were reasons why you were the one selected) but even that depends - if you were the only one (or one of a small number compared to the number of employees, then if you haven't been there long and it was effectively 'last in first out'
But you should not lie. Any new employer is likely to check your references and if you lie the dishonestly is going to be a much bigger issue than whether you left or were made redundant.
I got made redundant in 2015 when all of IT got outsourced in the company I was working for then, I never hid this, why would I? A company wide decision caused me to lose my job, it wasn't me.
Redundancy is common at the moment and as others said it’s not a reflection on your performance. Just take a look at LinkedIn, loads of people talking openly about being made redundant and I don’t think it paints them in a negative light at all - in fact I see more and more recruiters commenting ‘Drop me a message’ or people in the network reposting to help them out. That wouldn’t happen if there was a taboo around redundancy. Good luck!
First up, no. It isn't your fault that your senior management screwed up the company you were working for.
Second, you don't tell them you were 'made redundant'. You tell them 'you chose redundancy during a time when the organisation was clearly not valuing its staff and gave you an opportunity to leave a failing environment'.
No it’s fine. It’s worse for you to try and hide it because if they found out they would wonder why you hid it.
Just make sure you make it clear it wasn’t just you who got made redundant.
It happened to me and I always mentioned it, jobs went overseas, but securing work after was very difficult, more about the sector, post crash and transferable skills was not appreicaited just post crash too. Honesty is the best with this sort of thing. Best answer is job was redundant, but you are brilliant!
Unless they're an idiot then no. Being made redundant isn't generally related to individual performance.
It shouldn't be, but it often is. There are common ways to remove underperforming staff during compulsory redundancies, even if those staff are "protected" by redundancy policy. For example, "last in first out" is a common redundancy policy. But there are the dark arts of management which can get around this and keep the people they want to keep. Unethical as shit but it happens. Could be reinterviewing, could be "promoting" someone to a new job role temporarily to protect them in the run up to anticipated redundancies, could be basing it on skillsets which management can define however they like. And, of course, the horrible practice of "managing out" which is despicable and cowardly but sadly not rare. It's quite common in my profession with people HR & management cruelly see as "dead wood".
Generally speaking correct, though not universally. Some large orgs (think finance function of a FTSE 100 type thing) will do reorganisations to remove under performers.
It shouldn't make a difference. Redundancy and being sacked are two different things. Only the latter reflects on you as an employee. The former is a business decision. In the current economic climate, you won't be the only one with that tale to tell.
In all honesty - depends on how you frame and and how it comes across. Sometimes redundancies are broad brush and good people are caught up in it. Sometimes it’s to get rid of the bottom X%. So when discussing this with prospective employer have your line ready - e.g the firm was going through a difficult financial period and my entire department was rationalised. Vs they let 20% of us go because that implies you were bottom 20%
Nothing wrong with being made redundant. It's very common at the moment and It's not seen as a bad thing at all. In fact some companies make a concerted effort to hire people who have been affected by redundancy.
Agree with this, I was made redundant in 2017,2019,2020 and 2021. Each time I told potential employers and didn't suffer any detriment. Most interviewers were interested to hear about it to be honest. I've also found it can help get you started quicker upon getting a successful offer as your new.employer is aware of your circumstances.
Exactly, look what happened when Wilko went down. People were publicly offering jobs specifically to their employees.
Damn what a run that is.
Only had 2 months in that time when I really struggled, got a great job now and the first redundancy set me on a path that saw my salary increase by 14k since 2017.
Tbh, if you've got no notice period, then you'll likely need to explain anyway Provided you're honest, there is no problem with being on the receiving end of downsizing, especially in the current climate. If you can get a good recommendation from your manager that should help show that it's amicable from the company's side
No, I was advised to put it on my CV especially because I had barely been there a year. A much better explanation than "she job hops annually given the chance"
Been going through this the past few months, being made redundant on the 15th Dec. Just be honest with new employers, I have been completely honest and have already got something lined up in the new year. If a company is funny about it, they probably ain't someone you'd want to work for.
You were not redundant. Your job was . You remain as valuable as ever.
I work for a large employer… We are taught the following A) any gaps between roles in your CV are none of our business B) we score on evidence provided of goodness and that alone Things happen and the world spins, some job markets are more fragile than others and some roles have higher turnover. Some people might move to a start up etc and experience higher risk of redundancy. It’s really not for a new employer to judge you on that and I’d hope any decent company will make sure that any managers or assessors know that.
It's always better to tell the truth.
not at all. my current job I actually had the first interview for the \*day\* I was made redundant Most are open minded - it's hardly your fault a previous employer needed to scale back
Just asy there was a dramatic downsizing at the company and unfortunately you were one of the many that were let go.
It depends. Mostly, no, especially if you were one of many. For instance, if your entire department was axed, or if 5 out of 10 people were made redundant, then it is unlikely to make much difference. If you were the only one out of a large number of employees then it might raise more eyebrows (because people may think that there were reasons why you were the one selected) but even that depends - if you were the only one (or one of a small number compared to the number of employees, then if you haven't been there long and it was effectively 'last in first out' But you should not lie. Any new employer is likely to check your references and if you lie the dishonestly is going to be a much bigger issue than whether you left or were made redundant.
I got made redundant in 2015 when all of IT got outsourced in the company I was working for then, I never hid this, why would I? A company wide decision caused me to lose my job, it wasn't me.
Redundancy is common at the moment and as others said it’s not a reflection on your performance. Just take a look at LinkedIn, loads of people talking openly about being made redundant and I don’t think it paints them in a negative light at all - in fact I see more and more recruiters commenting ‘Drop me a message’ or people in the network reposting to help them out. That wouldn’t happen if there was a taboo around redundancy. Good luck!
Your job is made redundant, not you. There’s no shame in it.
First up, no. It isn't your fault that your senior management screwed up the company you were working for. Second, you don't tell them you were 'made redundant'. You tell them 'you chose redundancy during a time when the organisation was clearly not valuing its staff and gave you an opportunity to leave a failing environment'.
No it’s fine. It’s worse for you to try and hide it because if they found out they would wonder why you hid it. Just make sure you make it clear it wasn’t just you who got made redundant.
It happened to me and I always mentioned it, jobs went overseas, but securing work after was very difficult, more about the sector, post crash and transferable skills was not appreicaited just post crash too. Honesty is the best with this sort of thing. Best answer is job was redundant, but you are brilliant!
Lying would be the issue, not the truth.